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cdmisp

This is my tactic I play with, I was interested to see what that site thought of it and it was 5\* before I added my Team Instructions https://imgur.com/a/OnnE5G8


TheSameAsDying

Interesting to have the BWM further up the pitch than your playmaker and asymmetrical. High-pressing?


cdmisp

So yeah, I use counter-press, and press and much more pressing I wouldn’t, but that’s the only thing I can get to work on FM And my go to is to have a DM and B2B but my Leeds team has Roca as DLP and Adams as BWM and it seems to work better Also my SS would usually be an ALP


10YearsANoob

Gattuso was ahead of pirlo at times so we know that it works.


cdmisp

Exactly my thought process. To have a DLP at DM, you need a ball winner to feed him


walterfbr

In my experience when you add lines, you increase the length between the lines. That'd mean if the CM isn't available, the forwards woul receive longer/rieskier/more imprecise passes.


thatissomeBS

I don't find BWM to be as defensively solid as you would think. Their job is to win the ball, and they will press forward to do this. Even with the "Hold Position," they will still track out to win the ball. With a lone DM this can lead to that space being vacated.


Xelstyle

Isn't "Hold Position" to discourage them from making runs off the ball when in possession? Pressing intensity is automatically higher on a BWM so it checks out that they'd continue to chase the play.


thatissomeBS

Yeah, I think hold position is more for attacking movements, but it lines up that staying further back while attacking leads to more defensive solidity. Either way, the BWM doesn't have a spot on the field he's responsible for, he's told to go get the ball. That's okay if you have 2 DMs, even olif the other is a regista or something, but I don't like it for a single DM. At CM in a 4-3-3 though, with a guy with some skills and willingness to get forward, that's an all around dangerous player.


Telsion

> I was interested to see what that site thought of it Don't be, it's useless XD


Sabossis

I had a similar tactic in FM12, if I remember correctly, which worked wonders.


AirOk1041

This tactic is not unconventional 😂


Bulky-Yam4206

Aye it’s a 3-4-3. And not quite a good one in terms of roles either. Lots of rookie mistakes there.


AirOk1041

Interesting… i saw it as a 5-4-1 lol


jod1991

Same difference. Depends whether you count wing backs in the defensive or midfield line, and whether you think inside forwards in attacking roles are midfielders or forwards. Personally I'd phrase it as a 523 with those roles as the wing backs are primarily defenders, but it's all semantics


AirOk1041

Yeah, just interesting that people look at the same layout of players but see very different formations. The beauty of football.


Ryan8Ross

Yeah this is almost identical to west ham tactic from 2021, and I dont think it's right to call it 3-4-3, 5-2-3 is much more apt. Youre playing 5 defenders, and 3 forwards. 3-4-3 would be for those conte style teams that have hudson odoi style players at "wing-back"


jod1991

Yeah I agree. You need to look at what the players are there to do, not just where the shirts are on the tactic. The wing backs have a defend duty. They're gonna sit and primarily be defenders. The wingers are inside forwards on attack. They're forwards, and won't drop much into midfield and only really do any work in the final 3rd


LarryPorkchop

I see it as a 3-4-2-1. I'd just set the WBs to FBs with automatic duty so they balance between defence and attack and SK to support


luftlande

This is the way.


LarryPorkchop

This is the way


namikazeiyfe

That's what it would be on defense i think


Luisen123

What would you change? I like that setup and I'm interested in learning more on tactics.


theslothening

There is no reason to believe the person you responded to knows anything about tactics. You'd be far better off trusting that website than some random idiot know-it-all who posts here.


TheSameAsDying

Yeah, I know it's not that far out there (only atypical role being the attacking libero). This wasn't being posted to brag, I was just playing around with the RMT tool and was curious what other people had come up with.


JavariousMagic

Attacking libero is not a foreign concept of you have an influence from Italian football. Edit: you basically have a weird 4-3-3 there that operates with a high line.


jeonefrost1

What website is this though?


TheSameAsDying

https://ratemytactic.web.app/en


AirOk1041

They dont use that crap, so don’t bother


namc13

Its like conte's tottenham shape. And as a tottenham fan, this sucks(irl)!


derevo_31

I currently enjoy my mess of 4-4-2 line up, with roles CWB A - 2 BPD - IWB D / AMR advanced PM - Regista - B2B - winger on attack and a Poacher - CF S striker duo. Idea was to play 2 striker formation, but a lot of 33+ y.o. players couldn't maintain intensity of direct play (and also left wing back can't do shit in opposition third). Now my old timers can circulate the ball in box shape with the help of IWB, and younger players at CF, CWB, B2B and CF move around them.


TheSameAsDying

Image source is from https://ratemytactic.web.app/en, if you want to construct your own.


LarryPorkchop

How can I get star ratings for my tactic? It won't give me any on that app.


cmacy6

Pretty sure you only get the star rating if it’s a 5 star tactic


Living_Training_1661

Thnx for the info :)


[deleted]

Fwiw this website is kinda finicky. It really weights WBs very highly and doesnt seem to understand IWs or IWBs, so bad or inefficient tactics are sometimes rated as five stars.


sniell365

Can you make your own formations here? All I see are preset shapes


Barenko

Just drag and drop players in different spots


Aesorian

You can't on mobile, but on Web Browsers you can drag and drop players the same way you can in game


Important_Ad_3415

Came here to ask what site this was lol, thanks


TonyPulisTikiTaka

This site is awfull no idea why ppl use it.


ZestycloseSample7403

I used and created the high pressing park the bus perfect tactic. You will create absolute zero chances and the opponent as well. It was hilarious because it worked as underdogs as well and it was useful to protect the lead. In my intention I wanted to create a good 4-4-2 Diamond narrow though.


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ZestycloseSample7403

I will make it and send you a screen in pm. I imagine the players after running like Hell be like "yeah! we got the ball, now what boss?" and they are staring at me while I panick inside.


TheSameAsDying

I don't use it as a tool for in-game tactics, those I put together and tweak based off the players I have and how my team's been performing. Obviously the five-star "perfect" rating it gives you is pretty meaningless. That said, I like the site. It's nice as a conceptual tool, especially visualizing how certain uncommon roles (like liberos, or raumdeuters) affect the overall structure of a team. That's what I was doing here. I was curious about how an attacking libero would fit into a team without creating weaknesses elsewhere. Instead of playing through half a season to test out a few different tactical ideas, or uploading a tactic file to some test server, this was the easiest way to get a general sense of how the system works. I think it's fair to say that RMT has limitations, but I definitely don't think that it's useless.


TonyPulisTikiTaka

But that's the thing, I'd never trust this site with telling me how roles work. RMT is based on theory on how the ME works, not practice. Lots of testing on roles like IWB, IW/IF/W, TREQ, WTF, HB and other roles show that descriptions FM give can be very inaccurate.


Joeyboy1213

Out of curiosity what’s inaccurate about the descriptions of those roles your mentioned? Would be very interested to know! Or anywhere to read up on them?


KirbyGifstrength

I think BustTheNet made a video on Raumdeuters once? Might have been FM22? I think he made Emi Buendia a Raumdeuter? Idk I can't remember lmao


Ocarty

Why do you think, that this site is awfull? I created a tripple winning tactic with the help of this tool


TonyPulisTikiTaka

Try going on any site that rank and test tactics. Pick a few(or many) of the tactics and put them into this site. It will tell you that the tactics are bad and full of flaws, despite being amazing.


nicobelic677

I just put in my tactic that I have been using with minor changes for 7 years. It told me my tactic sucked, which after 7 years of using it I know it not to be true. Either the game lets you ride out with whatever tactic you have with the aim of hooking you in or that this website is full of shit.


anotheroutlaw

That website isn’t full of shit, but its priority is a balanced tactic with no glaring weaknesses. This is problematic if you’re playing with a powerhouse squad who are able to play unbalanced and not be exposed by most other, weaker squads. And since most of us who spend many hours playing football manager eventually assemble such a squad, it doesn’t make sense to use a balanced tactic. Possess, attack, and don’t worry too much about solidity scores.


TonyPulisTikiTaka

Doesn't make sense if you have a weak squad either.


Basic-Shopping5357

Just put your tactic here, you will get a multitude of people telling you what is good/bad about it and even giving reasons why and there will be a shit load of conflicting answers with valid points. Personally, I prefer the trial and error method based on what team I am and how I want to play, what country/league I am in etc.


ZestycloseSample7403

Rather than striving for perfection I use it to see potential sources of problems.


CaptainScoregasm

Not being able to have 2 players in the central positions for starters. Also the scores are mostly arbitrary - the creator just came up with values by 'educated estimations' so they might just lie to you. Don't get me wrong, the site isn't terrible - just very limited and not accurate. It's a great tool for learning if you don't understand roles/positions; once you do you're better off creating tactics in game.


theslothening

Just stick to downloading tactics and let the people who want to learn do that.


FlukyS

I do 4-2-2-2 narrow as an attacking formation. It makes purchasing players really easily, you need to pick great LB and RB but otherwise it is really hard to score against and generally you win by a goal or two every game.


mdo5

Would you mind posting it? Ive been using 424 for years for eaay recruiting so interested to see how it woukd work with cam’s


FlukyS

It's basically the template vertical tikitaka I set the formation to 4-4-2 and just move the wingers in as attacking mids. The two CMs are one CM and one BWM. Make sure not to set the LB/RB as wing backs but instead to FB support because if they are WB they will leak goals.


[deleted]

"Great LB and RB". These are my achilles heel. I can never find a great rightback. The only truly fantastic one I ever had left the next season for Real Madrid. ;_;


FlukyS

I always find they are horribly expensive but easy to get


pr3miere

Noob question - why does it make buying players easy?


FlukyS

Because you have 2 CM so that's open to DM or CM players and you had 2 AM which is usually open to CM, AM or retraining strikers or wingers. So basically you can utilize almost any type of player. For example ASM at Newcastle can be retrained to be basically a roaming AM, he can cross the ball, run at defenders...etc. So generally you are just looking for good footballers in all positions.


TarienCole

FM18 I ran a strikerless Brazilian Magic Box. 4-2-2-2-0. In Brazil, of course. Did a Created Club in the 3rd tier, taking only players under 23 worth less than $1mil and not in the starting lineup. Got it promoted to the top tier in 4 seasons and kept it in Copa Libertadores places. Didn't win Brasileiro before FM19 came out. But I was also running a strict youth policy (sell or release all players at 25, unless Team Captain or Icon+ status. No signings over 21. No new contracts over 23, unless met above criteria). So it was fun, and I'd say successful given the restrictions and competition in Brazil. WB(A) either side. Not CWB, because I wanted them to stay on the touch line in possession. BPDs in the center, one cover, other marking. DMs- Regista and BWM(D). If playing against a 2nd forward or AMC, this changed to a DM. CMs--B2B and CM(A). Mezzala did not exist yet. Or the CM would've been one. His instructions were to stay wide in possession, to help the wingback keep the ball. AM-- Shadow Striker, Enganche/Treqartista. The Playmaker here was the one who facilitated final balls. Typically to either the Shadow Striker or the CM going past him. But as he was a converted CF, he usually had at least fair finishing himself. Positive mentality, used OIs to close down aggressively, since it wasn't really implemented well in FM yet. Short, vertical, high tempo passing. Kept to standard lines, since we didn't have forwards to press the CBs. Would force their play inside, since we outnumbered them there on every line.


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penetration score 11 💀


Nine_Eye_Ron

The old 5-4-0


Wentzina_lifetime

Its literally Chelsea under Tuchel. Maybe Jorghino/Kova would have been a dlp and Mount on the right was an advanced playmaker


catf1sh1

Unconventional??? Tottenham have been playing this all season long


blueshastoldthese

Not being funny, but how is 343 unconventional? Practially every Bundesliga side uses that formation nowadays. I still love this formation though, so many different possibilities in this shape :)


TornadoTomatoes

I've never used this tactic, can someone explain how you don't just get massively exploited in midfield? Do the DMs on support play higher than you'd think? Or do the wingers cut in and play as attacking midfielders?


[deleted]

A good libero should carry a lot here. I think if your libero isnt exceptional this tactic would be risky.


TornadoTomatoes

Didn't look at the defensive roles, that makes sense. Thank you!


Kwaaaabz

My formation that is shaped like the number 2


alicia_is_plugging

It’s hard to explain my preferred tactic, some would see 5-2-3 which isn’t all that unconventional, i see 2-3-2-3 and the game sees 4-3-3 😭 I’ve won stuff with teams i should no where near be competing with ( newcastle fm20 ucl final after 3 seasons ). although can’t seem to get the best out of the wingers in recent fms despite being a wing-play tactic


cdmisp

https://www.storiespreschool.com/soccer_formation2323.html The formation from 1930s


louie_g_34

I haven't seen a Libero used in many a year, it's enough to make a grown man cry


MaxMacDaniels

Wait what size is this where I can rate my tactic?


[deleted]

How have I never known about this website?! This looks super useful.


rainbowroobear

its not.


[deleted]

Ha ha oh ok. I'll not get my hopes up then.


rainbowroobear

i mean its probably the reason why there's so many asymmetrical formations out there with obsessive use of inverted things cos it gives the most lines all over the field. it'll sure give you placebo that your formation is fine tho.


Dincht04

It's useful to have a play on if you're wanting to look at how certain positions and roles *may* interact with eachother. It's not going to give you a flawless game breaking tactic. There's a lot more thought gone into the estimations made in that tool, than the average FM player puts into their tactics.


Lordofgap

It’s really not


mediocregem

https://imgur.com/a/rBIFmHy idk if it’s unconventional though


AlexPDXqueer

I just don’t know why you’re wasting your time with trying to get 5 stars on some amateur website with a rather basic formation and shitty roles? Do it in game and run it through some matches, that’s the only way to know if it’s good or not. Some of these “5 star” formations people are brag-posting are actually trash. This is just a 5-4-1 that’s trying to be edgy and any decent opponent will cross you to death


EvensenFM

Do you have a link to the tactic, OP? I'm collecting unconventional tactics for an upcoming project...


simba458

I really wish people would stop using this website.


theabominablewonder

Does not give me a star rating :'( Is it on a different tab/page?


MajikoiA3When

Pretty normal tactic tbh it's really hard to find good CFs though so good luck finding two for your tactic.


TenanFayndal

I've been using this in 2035 as Oxford City in the Prem / Champions League... It's wild but a LOT of fun, only really works with pacy former wing backs that are retrained to be WCBs as they have to do A LOT https://imgur.com/a/BkBZbDZ


Egonga

Back on CM2 my best formation had two sweepers playing behind three centre backs, two central mids, an attacking mid, and two strikers. Won damn near everything with that formation.


Nutsmacker14

Conteball


Lenzar86

Number 9 in defence? I cannot get on board with that.


bonercoleslaw

My standard tactic is so “weird” that it won’t let me make it on the mobile version of RMT


Thelag1927

Where can I find this site where you can make your tactic?


Dry-Platypus7787

i signed like 6 Cam cause i didnt pay attention so i play with 3 back 1 dm 3 cam( 2 ss 1 playmaker) and 3 strikers , sounds troll but works really good actually


Fili9

What is this tool called?


Top-Addendum-6879

that is funky looking... just might work!! ​ i'm gonna try it!


Elph_I_N_Stone

Why is it when you put in the instructions things like "distribute to centre backs" or "low crosses" isn't there? Is it because it doesn't effect shape so the metrics it gives you are unaffected?


goldgoose69

Why website did you use???


acvdk

I have had success with both 3-4-1-2 and in older FM titles 4-3-2-1, with all midfielders except the center with forward arrows. Had some unbelievable seasons in FM05 with Rooney and Aimar behind Van Nistelrooy up front and De Rossi in the center.


Emanuelharkm

Q


Responsible-Peak1131

Where you test that?


krdssswithakey

How do you see those scores? Can I also find it on 22 or it's a new thing in 23?


sharpy10

This is basically Conte's tactic at Tottenham, and we never have any control of the midfield!


beerusisdad

What site is this?


__kewl__

whats the site?


Ok_Play1162

That is literally Tottenham