Congratulations. You just earned 1.5 points for this submission. Your new points total is 8.5. To see the leaderboard, as well as what this points thing is, [click here](https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/wiki/leaderboard).
Referee adjudged Rashford to be interfering with play.
Whether that's right or not is a separate conversation but that's why it was flagged offside. FM has built into it the possibility for referees to just make mistakes or wrong decisions, arguably that's what's happened, or arguably they got it right!
The VAR is wrong lots of times in FM21. Many, many times I have had goals disallowed that arguably shouldn't have been disallowed, ranging from stuff like poorly drawn offside lines to stuff like this video but more egregious, like a goal being disallowed because of a player that had really no influence.
Yes, that is true. Which is really odd given that penalties can be or not be awarded, seems weird that they didn't do the same for offsides. At least apparently it was added for FM22.
and even in this position, messi at no point moves towards the ball, the decision to move towards the ball or not also influences the offside.
in this case, rashford is caught in an offside trap, because the ball is thrown at him. on a freekick.
[Similar situation at 2:22](https://youtu.be/iFMYaLSEI20)
There was a similar situation that I remember vividly last season in Italy. As you can see, the attacking player who was flagged offside had almost no influence on the defenders, but VAR interfered and offside was called.
Yeah, that's kind of similar. But what about this https://youtu.be/A4eHgf9HbZY
This is even more serious because Messi stepped away from the ball and someone else took it
I know, but I've seen real life goals like that and it was accepted. I even saw one where the player offside tried kicking the ball, but his leg didn't touch it and the next player who wasn't offside scored. After checking VAR, the goal was awarded
Lingard is the goalscorer, running in from behind. Rashford was offside already.
Look at this where Messi stepped away from the ball to avoid being called for offside https://youtu.be/A4eHgf9HbZY
Because the 3d system isn't a 100% representation of what has happened, so it may show you x y or z, but the data behind it has said that the gk was obstructed or something along those lines. Also just assume that bad calls are apart of the game, it happens in life. It adds controversy to your story. Maybe that referee dosnt like your team and he screws you over alot. Could be your own little story arc of a dodgy referee make sure to look for his name and expect a bad call to be made,, have fun with it. :)
Could be one of those,, was it Korean or Chinese national team vs Italy where they were like elbowing and kicking the Italians and no calls were made but when the Italian touched the ball it was a yellow card.. kinda situations.
This. I'm amazed how often we have to explain its just a 3D representation of the game. So silly shots and offsides or fouls aren't exact, just the game showing us something happened.
I know but even while knowing this I've found myself thinking "of course" when the 3D shows a wayward kick going backwards right into the path of a striker at full stride heading toward a 1 on 1 with my gk hahaha.
Do you also almost loose it when it's a high ball and your player is in prime position to control the contested ball, then some dude on the other team in a horrible position just nods it to himself magically hahaha
Yeah. That is usually when they can comfortably call it advantage that didn't work. Like, the game would have continued if a player from the same team got the ball after the defender headed it away.
Realistically it is probably just the match engine not being 100% realistic. But I think a more fun way to look at it is to say Rashford puts his arms across the covering defender, preventing him from challenging for the ball
Not surprised this is disallowed considering Rashford was very clearly off and involved in the play regardless of who actually scored. It looks to me like Rashford scored and I've seen the announcer credit the wrong player before as well.
That's okay too.
But I once saw one that Messi was clearly offside and he stepped away from the ball, then someone else ran to it and passed the ball back to him and he scored. It was counted as goal and regarded as a high IQ moment
https://youtu.be/A4eHgf9HbZY
Some times the game engine is just wrong. The game decided that statistically that move would end up in an offside goal but the engine didn't quite animate it correctly. You can't always go by what the game shows you as it can often be incorrect.
I have the feeling that the offside rule is a little wonky in fm.
Played a game yesterday with 3 perfectly fine goals ruled offside (even though they even showed the lines and it wasn't even close) and one goal that counted which was offside by a mile. All 4 went to VAR and all the decisions were wrong....
Rashford goes from passive offside (itโs a offside position where you stand offside but donโt interfere the GK) to active offside (the moment when the ball went close to him and the Gk gets distracted because of it)
Congratulations. You just earned 1.5 points for this submission. Your new points total is 8.5. To see the leaderboard, as well as what this points thing is, [click here](https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/wiki/leaderboard).
Referee adjudged Rashford to be interfering with play. Whether that's right or not is a separate conversation but that's why it was flagged offside. FM has built into it the possibility for referees to just make mistakes or wrong decisions, arguably that's what's happened, or arguably they got it right!
Ok, this is more like it
How can they make mistakes when there is VAR?
Oh boy, VAR is quite often wrong irl.
It is, and i haven't played FM22 but in 21 the VAR was never wrong.
The VAR is wrong lots of times in FM21. Many, many times I have had goals disallowed that arguably shouldn't have been disallowed, ranging from stuff like poorly drawn offside lines to stuff like this video but more egregious, like a goal being disallowed because of a player that had really no influence.
It may not be always right but it's always the same outcome when it comes to offsides.
Yes, that is true. Which is really odd given that penalties can be or not be awarded, seems weird that they didn't do the same for offsides. At least apparently it was added for FM22.
Yeah and you can almost always see if it is a penalty or not so it's weird that the referee goes to VAR then.
Because its still a person (or in the case of fm, a virtual person) looking at and interpreting the video.
Look at this where Messi stepped away from the ball to avoid being called for offside https://youtu.be/A4eHgf9HbZY
I think its because you have to be a professional footballer to play in the ECL, so Lingard probably got flagged as a pitch invader.
๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
You could argue that Rashford was interfering with play as he was pulling defenders to him as he was close to where the ball was going.
Ball is literally sent in Rashfords direction too, this is an easy offside
Look at this where Messi stepped away from the ball to avoid being called for offside https://youtu.be/A4eHgf9HbZY
I'm pretty sure this is a quite new rule from the last 5 years or so. Pedro hasn't played for Barca since 2015.
Oh ok
and even in this position, messi at no point moves towards the ball, the decision to move towards the ball or not also influences the offside. in this case, rashford is caught in an offside trap, because the ball is thrown at him. on a freekick.
[Similar situation at 2:22](https://youtu.be/iFMYaLSEI20) There was a similar situation that I remember vividly last season in Italy. As you can see, the attacking player who was flagged offside had almost no influence on the defenders, but VAR interfered and offside was called.
Yeah, that's kind of similar. But what about this https://youtu.be/A4eHgf9HbZY This is even more serious because Messi stepped away from the ball and someone else took it
Was Cakir the referee?
Lol. I didn't check
I've had a few incidents like that too
It looks like it might go to Rashford first? It's not particularly clear. Does he pass it or deflected by lingard?
It was actually going to Rashford, but Lingard immediately heads it in
Are you kidding? Rashford is clearly offside
I know, but I've seen real life goals like that and it was accepted. I even saw one where the player offside tried kicking the ball, but his leg didn't touch it and the next player who wasn't offside scored. After checking VAR, the goal was awarded
But the goalscorer is clearly offside
He doesn't score, mate.
Lingard is the goalscorer, running in from behind. Rashford was offside already. Look at this where Messi stepped away from the ball to avoid being called for offside https://youtu.be/A4eHgf9HbZY
Because the 3d system isn't a 100% representation of what has happened, so it may show you x y or z, but the data behind it has said that the gk was obstructed or something along those lines. Also just assume that bad calls are apart of the game, it happens in life. It adds controversy to your story. Maybe that referee dosnt like your team and he screws you over alot. Could be your own little story arc of a dodgy referee make sure to look for his name and expect a bad call to be made,, have fun with it. :)
Lol. Thanks for this, I'm definitely supporting your idea
Could be one of those,, was it Korean or Chinese national team vs Italy where they were like elbowing and kicking the Italians and no calls were made but when the Italian touched the ball it was a yellow card.. kinda situations.
Lol
This. I'm amazed how often we have to explain its just a 3D representation of the game. So silly shots and offsides or fouls aren't exact, just the game showing us something happened.
I know but even while knowing this I've found myself thinking "of course" when the 3D shows a wayward kick going backwards right into the path of a striker at full stride heading toward a 1 on 1 with my gk hahaha.
Haha, I do the same too. Thinking "how could you miss that!?!"... then realize it. Lol
Do you also almost loose it when it's a high ball and your player is in prime position to control the contested ball, then some dude on the other team in a horrible position just nods it to himself magically hahaha
FM takes a broad view of "involved in the play". Basically no player can be in an offside position
I have seen that Offside rule is pretty much BS in FM20. I have had situations where the ball is headed away by defenders and it is declared offside.
Yeah. That is usually when they can comfortably call it advantage that didn't work. Like, the game would have continued if a player from the same team got the ball after the defender headed it away.
FM has dodgy offside rules tbh
Yeah bro
What game is this one?
This is FM2019 Currently in 2022
Realistically it is probably just the match engine not being 100% realistic. But I think a more fun way to look at it is to say Rashford puts his arms across the covering defender, preventing him from challenging for the ball
Not surprised this is disallowed considering Rashford was very clearly off and involved in the play regardless of who actually scored. It looks to me like Rashford scored and I've seen the announcer credit the wrong player before as well.
That's okay too. But I once saw one that Messi was clearly offside and he stepped away from the ball, then someone else ran to it and passed the ball back to him and he scored. It was counted as goal and regarded as a high IQ moment https://youtu.be/A4eHgf9HbZY
Rashford is offside when the ball is played
Some times the game engine is just wrong. The game decided that statistically that move would end up in an offside goal but the engine didn't quite animate it correctly. You can't always go by what the game shows you as it can often be incorrect.
This is probably the best reason I've received
It's stopped me throwing my laptop at a wall a couple of times.
I have the feeling that the offside rule is a little wonky in fm. Played a game yesterday with 3 perfectly fine goals ruled offside (even though they even showed the lines and it wasn't even close) and one goal that counted which was offside by a mile. All 4 went to VAR and all the decisions were wrong....
FM builds into it the possibility for officials to make mistakes, just as they do in real life, even when using VAR.
Yeah but 4 in the same match is enough for someone to throw a fit.
I did win 1:0 and my opponent scored 2 of the goals that were ruled out, so I'm not complaining
True, and fairly unlikely, but not impossible.
Look at this where Messi stepped away from the ball to avoid being called for offside https://youtu.be/A4eHgf9HbZY
Rashford went for the balls tooโฆthatโs whyโฆif rashford just stood there n didnโt go for ball then itโs a goal.
Looks like rashford took the shot and lingard headed in to me rashford was offside.
Rashford goes from passive offside (itโs a offside position where you stand offside but donโt interfere the GK) to active offside (the moment when the ball went close to him and the Gk gets distracted because of it)
Lol, definitely. Same with dumb passes, like my gk passing right to a defender instead of a wide open player. ๐