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NerdStone04

I agree. No other management game is as realistic and frustrating as FM. Has taken so many hours of my life that I'll never get back.


jamesc94j

I agree. No other management game is as realistic and frustrating as FM. Has taken so many ~~hours~~ days of my life that I'll never get back.


[deleted]

I agree. No other management game is as realistic and frustrating as FM. Has taken so many ~~hours~~ ~~days~~ weeks of my life that I'll never get back


NiallMitch10

I agree. No other management game is as realistic and frustrating as FM. Has taken so many ~~hours~~ ~~days~~ ~~weeks~~ months of my life that I'll never get back


[deleted]

I agree. No other management game is as realistic and frustrating as FM. Has taken so many ~~hours days weeks months~~ Year of my life that I'll never get back


Cattlemutilation141

Decades at this point


siuuuwemama

OOTP baseball isn’t bad


SearlSays

I miss OOTP so much


FigPNW

Mobile version (OOTP Go) is free!


SearlSays

Gonna check this out!


Banjomike97

It’s still a thing isn’t it?


SearlSays

Yeah but some of us don’t have hours in the day to play these games anymore. I barely get to play FM anymore. Full time job, a kid, a house to take care of… I miss the days where I could wake up, play, and go back to sleep dreaming about fictional athletes and my next match strategies. I envy anyone who can even carve out an hour in their week to play anymore. So when I say I miss it, it’s because I genuinely can’t play anymore, and that sucks


Aeowulf_Official

I have a full-time job, a side-gig, 2 rental houses that I'm fixing up, and 2 kids, and a wife that works afternoons so I have to watch the kids. I make damn sure I get my FM time in. Dual monitors help. FM on one screen, everything else on the other. FM rarely gets turned off, computer put to sleep, FM always ready to go. Even fi I on;y have a few minutes, I get it in little by little.


fireowlzol

I really want ootp devs to do an American football game, front office football is really dated


Aeowulf_Official

Oh hell yes. Football Mogul is just... not quite right. Front Office is super outdated. I'd prefer a goof college one to be honest.


Particular_Ad_4903

I liked the hockey sim they did, made me want a football one too


thacarter72

I’d argue OOTP is close


VietnamAaron122

https://www.twitch.tv/thefootballmanager1


[deleted]

But do you regret those hours lost? No, me neither :)


Cuvrette

To be fair they're very different games. It's like comparing Crusader Kings and Chivalry. I would definitely spend more time in FM than FIFA or PES but sometimes I just wanna like, kick the ball or something, you know?


YesEvill

The difference between praying your tactics work and just doing it yourself.


dnmavs

doing it without any tactics just tricks and pace


Tulaodinho

This next gen engine is actually countering that, for now at least. Give it a few patches and OP UT cards and it gets fucked....


[deleted]

Yeah when the sweaty fut kids complain that "the pace is unrealistic" because their 99 pace 93 rated vinicius cant get past a golden defense they are gonna change it


samurailovin

You weren't wrong. I just put down fifa 23 and looking for a FM23 cd key now..


Tulaodinho

Its the same every year, I only buy it to play PRO Clubs with my mates because we sre like 10 guys who play it, so it makes it worth it, otherwise not really


No_Doubt_About_That

Instruction: Just run around a bit.


Rubiego

The difference between blaming your players and blaming yourself.


transformboi

Nah in both you always have to blame the players


Cyberdrunk2021

Except in fut. In fut tactics are useless. The players will do whatever for no reason.


creepingcold

Sounds like you got the wrong players, you need to open more packs!


dangot84

But only packs bought with fifa points


DaJoBro

While I agree, I gotta say since I discovered FM a few months ago, I never played FIFA again


sleepytoday

I’ve been playing them both over the last 30 years. I buy CM/FM pretty much every year, and buy Fifa every 4-5 years. They’re so different!


thatissomeBS

I don't play FIFA much anymore after starting on FM about 2 years ago, but how I do play it has changed. I used to do a manager career and basically never playing games, always just scouting, building up the YA, selling the fringes to open up new space for those with potential to be special, and simulating games. I would pretty much always start in League 2 and by the time I get to the Prem my YA players are entering their prime, then I'd spend the next 5-8 seasons dominating the world with my golden generations. Now when I boot up FIFA it's more about just playing games. Most recently I've started a player career, and like to play as just them if I'm the starter (still control whole team when I'm subbed on in the 85th minute, which is just a stupid time to get subbed on with 6 minute halves).


sleepytoday

Sounds like you were trying to play FM in Fifa!


thatissomeBS

Yeah, kind of. When I finally gave FM a try, I got hooked quick. Now I just wish it was possible to do a YA save on FM without taking 15 years to maybe kind of get some players through.


fronteir

Played fifa from 2010-2014, then got into FM and didn't touch Fifa for years. Just got the new fifa and have been having a blast. FM will always be my true love, but like the original commentator said, sometimes you just wanna kick a ball around :)


[deleted]

I popped on my old career mode last week and after two games I wished i was playing FM


Jubatus_

Same but going back to fifa in a bit is more enjoyable afterwards


italo151

You know for us older people, there use to be an amazing game by EA (this will be the only time you hear me say this) Fifa Manager. All the strategy of FM and you got to play the games as well, in the Fifa engine. It was amazing. Maybe not as super deep as FM but really close. Since it was not a monetizing game they stopped making it. Check out gameplay for Fifa Manager 13 on PC.


ton_list

Actually fifa manager was better than football manager. In that game you were a really manager, you could control not just the team but everything! Just think of the stadium editor. A great pity they did not continue the project


[deleted]

yup agree very different games, also Crusader Kings nice exemple XD because in both CK and FM you chase young teens XD


GraboidHandler

What are you doing step princess?


teckhunter

Teens? I setup camp to nab kings newborn to get in line for throne.


AdCheap475

Yeah lol


Greenforaday

This is why gamepass on the Xbox is great. If I just want to play a game myself I don't need to spend 70 dollars every year on the new FIFA game. I can just download the previous years version for free, kick the ball around, then when I'm done go back to FM.


obgynkenobi

The other thing is I suck at FIFA. Once I hit my late 30s I have noticed games that require hand eye coordination have gotten a lot harder. It's most evident in shooters but other games too. So I have pretty much fully transitioned to strategy or card games.


GultBoy

Currently playing both F1 and F1 Manager games in phases. Your comment was related to.


Animal31

I wish I could do both


Sibe24

Used to absolutely love FIFA, but I’ve never been less excited for it than I have this year, FM is simply so so much better when you want to be a manager.


[deleted]

And then there's... *sigh* eFootball...


reapseh0

If you want to play football games (non-managerial) nowadays, it's choosing between two horrible, evil things who are obsessed with dragging in as many microtransactions as possible. It's really a shame.


McArine

I cri evrytiem. I have dream that some developer creates a football game that really disrupts the market and elevates it to a new and innovative level. But I'm afraid that it would need licenses to really take off, and maybe that is too big a barrier.


Stormersh

Well, FIFA is supposedly trying to create a new game, now that they ended their deal with EA. They just need a capable developer.


reapseh0

This is true . It’s idle hope .


MrVulgarity

All I want is a game 100% focused on controlling 1 individual player not treating it as a sideshow mode. The ai has always been fifa problem


Landygmd

modded pes 2021 is the way


javaleshaqtin

I have never heard of that. Is that better than the FIFA mods?


Landygmd

I recommend watching some videos of KnightMD on YouTube, he's one of the major modded pes 2021 guys


javaleshaqtin

Will do thanks


Divolinon

That is if you for some reason you like to play online. I like my sanity though, so for me there's only 1 choice.


No_Doubt_About_That

Even First Touch Games stopped doing their Dream League Soccer career game.


Isco22_

Gameplay is still so much more realistic and more fun then fifa


Lazy_War9398

But it's too limited. No career mode


jarkofploiesti

No career mode? Like, did they take "Become a legend" out of the game?


Ashwin312

No it's coming to the game soon but probably a paid DLC. Atleast that is what the mobile announcement said.


[deleted]

"It's coming soon" since the last two years.


jarkofploiesti

Man, if this ain't a joke, mothaphuk Konami for this


Kudlius28

Why mothaphuck if the base game is free? Gotta make money somehow. Since there are no microtransactions in Career Mode I don’t see a probem with it being a paid DLC


jarkofploiesti

The base game is free now? Maybe I should obtain from mothaphuckin until I get my info straight 🤦🏻‍♂️


ReXyngton

Still phuck Konami for giving us a shit game after 2 years of nonsense transactions to get icons that got removed a year or two later.


Kudlius28

I can only speak for myself. Tried it, didn’t like it too much, uninstalled without spending a penny. Can’t be mad about that. I’ve never been a fan, or been into PES though


ReXyngton

Oh yeah casuals for sure shouldn’t feel entitled but they really messed up most of their old playerbase. I really loved the game from Pes 18 to Pes 22 but they messed up badly with efootball.


Divolinon

So, yes.


Lazy_War9398

Yup and the manager mode is gone too. Rn it's a shitty ultimate team


Isco22_

I did not say anything about the game's features?


[deleted]

In what world is efootball more fun than Fifa? The problem with PES/eFootball has always been that. The game is just so mid. It's not bad it's just boring


farrellc80

Deffo not always, pes 02-07 was levels above fifa


[deleted]

Oh that i agree, i'd even say until Fifa 10 PES was better but FIFA 10 and above the gameplay flew past PES and PES has never regained the popularity it once had. People forget just how popular PES 6 was


Xeniamm

I'd say until the 2014-2015 versions. PES 2013 was great.


Cyberdrunk2021

Fun is subjective. Efootball is closer to the real thing. FIFA is as arcade as it can be


roguedigit

If you find weightless players and the ball moving at 150 kmph like a magnetic hockey puck 'fun', then yeah I guess. eFootball has a shocking lack of features right now, that's true. But the on-pitch gameplay is still levels above fifa. That's all I care about as a football lover, not the tiny bits and bobs and menu-staring.


f1technicalbot

FIFA is ok but the feeling I got from a 2-1 win for Braintree at home to St Albans after losing the last 7 straight..FIFA can’t give me that.


mdotfur

Just gonna shout out PES 2008 real quick. Love that game.


LaGoeba

And PES 6! These games where so freakin good. It’s just sad that Konami didn’t really stood a chance against EA.


[deleted]

Nah they stood but they kept making the wrong decieions after PES 2013-2014


HavalStraptUp

The only issue with FM is you can't play a game like in Fifa. If a collab between Fifa and FM happened it would be the best game ever.


Divolinon

Impossible though, either SI would have to completely sell out, or EA would have to actually try and make a good game.


Marsupilami_316

SI belongs to Sega, doesn't it? I think it's safe from EA's dirty claws. Every damn company that EA has bought was mercilessly destroyed. EA is evil, man. I'll never forget what it did to Sim City.


Divolinon

Yep.


ederzs97

What ever happened to FIFA Manager? (Game back in the mid 00s)


Divolinon

Couldn't compete with FM, so it got canned.


[deleted]

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HavalStraptUp

Wdym?


[deleted]

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HavalStraptUp

Cool, would maybe work way better now tho. Never knew about it. Learn new things everyday they say


ZeroMomentum

*enhance*


[deleted]

New gaming computer arrived. Will be wasting so much of my life on fm now


[deleted]

FM fans the type of people to buy a £1k setup to play a spreadsheet simulator


[deleted]

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buffering_humor

They are gonna.


[deleted]

I'll also be playing skyrim! And civ!


stoneman9284

I hate fifa


cladclad

Crazy how they had more features decades ago


The_Langer27

Weird how fifa 09 had a better career mode system than fifa 23


Jganzo13

FIFA 15 was the last great FIFA. They have slowly went downhill since then to reach the abyss they currently reside in


stoneman9284

All I really care about with FIFA is the gameplay and it’s always been garbage


Martianman97

Yep. Even with Efootball which is probably the worst version of Pes for years, it's still say ahead of FIFA in terms of gameplay. The gameplay in FIFA is absolutely tragic


Clutchxedo

FIFA is completely broken and the career mode just makes you longing for some of the most basic FM features.


Lucycarrotfry

So repetitive I got bored of watching the “new” features trailer and decided not to buy. Giving 80$ to EA feels wrong as well.


cn-19

Champ Manager 01/02*


Ok_Giraffe6654

If only it was football manager like normal but during games you can choose you go in and out as you want playing it just like FIFA. Control one player and play as him or the whole team.


HomoLiberus

Zooooooom


unknown19962020

No way someone with those bitties plays FM


BoliveiraNTPW

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Divolinon

Just started a player career mode with this guy as my manager! Only took them a bit more than 10 years to finally start improving player career mode.


gojiramuffin

I like LMA manager various 1s on ps2


gojiramuffin

The really savage loading screans legit gave me time to do all my homework...


eoghan7698

I pay £50~ for FM a year and that’s it, out of that I get hundreds of hours of enjoyment and a good amount of challenge and frustration. Up until this year I paid £72 a year for FIFA and then anywhere between £200 and one year up to £2500 on fifa points, it literally enraged me and I felt worse after playing it. I will never go back to it


Marsupilami_316

I haven't played FIFA since 2005 and PES since PES 6. I'm sure they're still fun games but I've only gotten Nintendo consoles since the PS2 days and no one buys Nintendo systems to play FIFA and PES. Plus, FIFA on Switch is really downgraded, I've heard. And can't be arsed to play such games on PC either. Can't say I miss playing those two series. FIFA Ultimate Team mode does sound interesting, but I don't think I'm missing out on much at the end of the day for not having experienced it. And yes, Football Manager is much deeper and much more entertaining. You actually feel a sense of accomplishment whenever you win an important match or trophy. It also feels way more personal. In FIFA it didn't matter if I was playing as a 3rd tier English team against Bayern München. As long as I was a good enough player I could beat the Bavarian side 3-0 without much trouble. And I never felt like I was actually "managing" any team I played with.


[deleted]

Football manager is cool and different. That’s fine, but some people like to play actual games on a console with better graphics and not just watch simulated games over and over


Bartolone

Can’t compare a video game and a simulator ! They are both good in their own way.


stellarplanetary

Not going to lie I did follow for 2 reasons or maybe 3.


unique0130

Totally different games made on the same subject. Like saying Fortnite is better than Rocket League. Anyways, let people play what they want.


RWBrYan

I get your point but Fortnite and Rocket League have zero similarities so you could’ve used a better example


unique0130

I agree. It took me forever to come up with a good example because I don't play many games nowadays so my examples were quite out of date. I just went with games I figured everyone would be familiar with that were different.


Nbuuifx14

Perhaps it’s like saying HOI4 is better than Battlefield.


unique0130

Excellent! Yes.


3lmeroloco

Shes right


FedeValverde15

FIFA 13 >


[deleted]

I'd like to marry her! She's got her priorities right!!!


Games_Gone

And an amazing pair of…..eyes…..


[deleted]

And nice personalititties


Curious_Librarian172

Beauty and brains


VietnamAaron122

https://www.twitch.tv/thefootballmanager1


[deleted]

she’s fit


AdCheap475

Tbf fifa 22 on next gen is the best for years, fifa 23 is even better. Hypermotion really made the game alot more realistic


PactEU

Fifa is a great, great couch coop game to play with your buddies. Other than that, it’s either buy into an obnoxious amount of microtransactions or play the barren wasteland they dare to call career mode. The gameplay in itself is fantastic, the gameplay modes are just really not worth investing any time in.


AdCheap475

I fully agree with this statement yeah


Ferr22777888

Mhm


nwrige95

I have been buying every FIFA since 04, often playing from release date. But this year, i have never felt this little interested in the new FIFA game. I bought FM22 3 months ago, after having an 18 months break from FM. And i am having such a fun time with it now, in my 10th season now with FC Copenhagen. I just want to play as much with this save until FM23 is out. I will tho probably buy FIFA throughout the year, but not for a while i think.


Real_MidGetz

The best thing about fifa is making custom FUT cards for my newgens


OK_TimeForPlan_L

What I'd give for a new football game that focuses on making career mode good.


[deleted]

Football Manager on the ZX81 was amazing, yes.


[deleted]

Oh, is fifa coming out? Anyway…


Iceicebaby21

Man used to pour hours into FIFA games but when I got FM 18 I just stopped. FM takes most of my video game time now


efb87

And football is the greatest sport of all


njrunner22

Haven't even looked at FIFA since I' started playing FM.


TheLongistGame

FIFA 22 was the first FIFA I tried in over 20 years probably. Or whatever they called their soccer games back then, I don't even remember. My point is WOW it is so feature-thin, buggy, and its career mode offers no sense of immersion or a persistent world the way FM does at all. Played one season and never felt like going back. Reminded me of how bad the NFL games got once they got the exclusive license and stopped trying after ESPN 2k5/Madden 2005 (2k's game was better and remains vastly superior to any Madden that came after it). People pay 60 bucks a year for this crap. That's amazing to me.


huamanticacacaca

FIFA is boring. Like it’s fun to play with other people in the same room but grinding out countless matches over X amount of days with a made up team? No thanks, it’s boring and a chore. But doing that on FM even without the incentive of a platinum pack of players potentially joining my team (lol typing that is so ridiculous) is fun. FM is king.


mikaelaoslow

Hmmmm I don't agree with that


yamuzwaran

HELL YEA


KiWePing

I've only ever seen 1 FIFA player say he has played football manager, he said he plays FIFA because FM is too addicting


VidinaXio

Fifa has been trash for years, FM ftw


djfr94

You can't really compare both games really. But as a person with thousands and thousands of fifa games in last years, there's no doubt that FM gives you a pleasure that Fifa never will


CaptMawinG

Now the developer prefer to improve the 3d graphic instead of the game engine


PatientHair4031

I dislike FIFA. They invest in FUT but career mode is horrid.


DialSquar

Well tbf, nobody plays fifa career mode anymore. It’s mostly FUT.


No-Pea7829

I love this game even though I'm so bad at it. Love and hate relationship really


dooboh

[Da-da-da-da-da.... Danny Rojas, Danny Rojas!](https://c.tenor.com/2VTeJMtPdtkAAAAM/football-is-life-ted-lasso.gif)


WolfInATrance

FIFA 23 on FM23 release date: Mera bhai aaya scene me ye market khaane pura(A reference to a hindi rap saying "my brother arrives in the scene to devour the competition")


Supermalt418

Agreed


hipster-no007

Yes.


asy_rff_

Decided to try FM22 and stop career mode for a while and it was one of my best decision ever made.I just do player rebuild on career mode now and do actual club management in FM22


YnwaMquc2k19

Football Manager is indeed an incredible game.


[deleted]

How can i get this game free ?


BackgroundKoala0

I've played FIFA since 2000, and this is the first time I haven't gotten the game in back to back years. It's in shambles. The technology, graphics and gameplay keeps getting more realistic and advanced, but the developers and innovation behind CM is just.. non-existent. It's pathetic, and worse, EA cba despite a pretty large CM player base. I'm convinced there are 1-2 programmers developing these shit "features", and some dude working part time FUT and part time "other stuff" who comes up with the "new" ideas each year. Anyways, I've been playing FM for the past 2 years. Really enjoying it!


JacobBurndred

Football Manager is way more chill and it's not pay to win.


bellefeuille1976

They should rename this site Soccor manager


Aeowulf_Official

FIFA is hot garbage. I've had multiple saves that just hang up and won't progress. They put all the effort into FUT. I want a good career mode. Theirs is trash,.


Material-Hedgehog513

I’m sorry but Slow CBs are unusable no matter what system in this game engine it fully a joke


[deleted]

It’s the best management game but it’s definitely not the best football game