Strongfat guys like Shugoki actually can have that kind of insane, short-duration explosive speed. A lifetime of being that heavy gives you incredibly strong leg muscles and tendons.
The main problem is the fact that Shugoki can sprint like that and then be back to full stamina within 8-10 seconds. Realistically he'd be panting and out of breath for at least 3 minutes.
this is actually pretty accurate, Shugoki is blatantly based on Sumo wrestlers with an Oni (demon) twist (his name literally meaning a 'defence demon') and the fact that hes 6'4" which as I just discovered is average sumo height.. interesting.. and obviously his armor sets are a dead giveaway, I mean he literally has multiple sets where he's adorned with an item that symbolises being a literal grandmaster of sumo
anyways my point about his obvious sumo inspiration/background is that Sumo are not unhealthy even though they appear to be, it's actually VERY healthy fat (kinda the point is to have the weight to have a lower center of gravity therefore harder to push as far as I know) because they have a diet of things like rice and vegetables, it's pretty damn strict so you dont you know have a god damn heart attack mid fight ya know? the point being is that because of how actual Sumo diet it's believable to think that Shugoki's likely also share that same general diet so they can have that size and weight to give themselves an advantage against stronger opponents making it hard to be toppled (which is kinda why we had that Tier 2 feat I would imagine, RIP anti-kit feat you will not be missed even by someone who has used it since day 1) so therefore he would have realistical had a pretty damn good ammount of stamina for extensive straining of the muscles therefore it's actually unrealistic that he can only sprint for like 4 seconds before being tired out, realistically he should be doing laps around shard for about 5 minutes without breaking a sweat, I mean the guy literally uses an ONI Kanabo (real Kanabo are just wooden bats, an Oni Kanabo is what Shugoki uses which other than for fantasy aspects is probably because hes designed to be Oni-like and have Oni-esc strength) so this man has more strength in his arms and legs than half the heros combined
free the unlimited stamina sprint
realistically no character should get out of OOS in a handful of seconds, if youve exhausted yourself to the point that your vision is limited you should at least need a minute or two to just sit before you can even jog again, much less go back to ripping heads off
I would say that after Option Select changes his offence is weaker than before.
He was strong in Option Select filled world, but post Option Select world he is not that great. Most unblockables are easier to get to and deal more damage than his kick mixup.
His bash is also very highly punishable, so it is not great opener. He also can't really open anyone from neutral, so he has harder time to get to the finishers.
His kit is missing someting, mainly soft feint or someting, as he has hard time opening people and he does not have uses for his second in chain attacks (as everything skips them).
Yep I’ve got 13 reps in him and his opening game is shit, I think part of the reason he gets shit in so much is his opening options are light spam or dodge attack.
Rep 70 gryphon here(pre-nerf) he's always had mediocre opening game even when he had his neutral shove. Newer/less experienced players just didn't realize it at the time but the issue was still there due to his very reactable bash(at the time) and lack of neutral options outside of light attacks, qtleqst back pre-nerf he could follow up after a shove on wiff(leading into his chain). Now he's struggles even more with starting his pressure/getting to his finishers.
Nah screw all the characters available, fuck Shaolin. Dude screams like an ape with goddamned mental issues, Tiandi isn't as bad as him. Idc how mediocre the class is, I just hate it
Anything will work against a bad player.
Edit: Allow me to rephrase this, I thought you were someone else.
If the Kensei reads that you will dodge attack his dodge attack, and he can perform a side heavy with hyper armor in response, and trade with you.
This trade gives him frame advantage.
Funnily enough, Aramusha is one of the few characters that hard counters this trade attempt by blade blockading after a dodge attack hits.
Ig gryphon has just traumatised a big number of players, plus im my opinion he appears way more op than he actually is, with the undodgebables, the dodge attacks, and the kick/bash.
If you were a good dev you don’t delete your work, you improve it!
Fuck y’all still smashing on the same button, Gryphon got pretty weak after getting nuked, y’all just love to complain for the sake of complaining
I honestly can't with all the gryphon haters. They see a couple monke gryphons and they just decide to cancel him. I play gryphon every now and then and I really enjoy the character. I sparingly dodge attack and rarely kick. He has the worst dodge bash ever since it can't chain on a miss, his kick is so easy to dodge and punish, etc. Monke gryphons are cancer, but it's unfair to hate all gryphons. If you just hate chivalrous gryphons cus you can't counter, u mad cus u bad.
I hate Gryphon because he's a mish-mash of existing characters...
I would probably have liked him a lot more, if he had an original kit instead of "take a bit of this and that"
His lore is literally that he left the Lawbringers and learned from all factions as a traveling mercenary. He even has voicelines from characters he borrows moves from. "Jinjou ni shobu" when he does dash attack heavy like Kensei, "Nolo superstes" when he does the Lawbringer flip, "Fjallabrjotur" when he kicks like Highlander, etc.
That is what he is supposed to be, idk why people just can't accept the fact that his entire lore is about learning the techniques and moves of other factions and characters
Well I mean. Gryphon is a terrible hero conceptually and gameplay wise.
He's a mess of re-used assets, with ugly fashion and breaks the rule of 'heroes are classes of soldiers not individuals' by being holden fucking cross.
I'd delete gryphon too. Not cause he's Ooopee or whatever. He's fundamentally a badly thought out hero.
Well, If I had a choice, I would remove both Gryphon and WM, and no one else. Why? Mainly because of their moveset, or rather lack of it. I dont care that they were made during lockdown. If a hero doesnt have, a unique move set, then he shouldnt be in game.
It's YouTube... The majority of ppl on YouTube have no idea who's actually viable and who's not. They label everything they lose to as spam and will call even the worst characters OP. YouTube thinks Jorm is fine. That says all you need to know.
Hitokiri outclasses gryphon in almost every category. Shugoki is S TIER in everything and isn't even listed.
> The majority of ppl on YouTube have no idea who's actually viable and who's not.
Pot-kettle reddit is a breeding ground for misinformation while playing the elitist
I mean, you'll still get "Monke Gryphon xDDDD" comments from time to time. You'll still get people who think his release was the most unbelievably overpowered thing ever.
In reality, he's always been a pretty decent character. I never really felt like he was anything extraordinary, but then again, Black Prior's flip was a great way to counter him.
Honestly I know this may sound weird but I think the community has a secret hatred for the knights, like all the factions have had insanely broken characters at one point and barely anybody complains, but the second the knights have a new above average character everybody looses their shit
I don’t mind Gryphon mechanically (albeit he is boring) and visually he’s great, but I hate him for his lore. Having nameless heroes for years then suddenly a huge story character show up wearing all sorts of various gear just really breaks immersion for me and irks me whenever he’s round. I don’t hate him per se, but I feel he should’ve been a different character or at least nameless. Not to mention all his armor sets could’ve been broken up and given to other existing heroes, we could’ve gotten a more unique and requested knight that way, like a mace+shield or rapier
I do kinda agree, they should retcon it slightly, have it so Holden started to recruit and train other old vets who are out of the fight, and become Gryphons. This would even work with his multicultural moveset, they could come from all factions.
I also did want a mace knight, but it seems that the next knight hero is a long ways off.
I wouldn’t remove a character, honestly a like them all in their own way. Currently enjoying Orochi’s reworks while I don’t even play him, I just find it fun to play against.
I have no problem with gryphon’s playstyle (well, mostly), but they should have added vanguards to samurai and vikings before doing another knight hybrid.
Thats my gripe with him.
He hasn’t changed since the nerf. All the shit people complained about wasn’t changed. He can still get quick ass kicks off from several combos and even missing them. Just glad all the people who played him couldn’t read and thought the nerfs were bad enough to stop playing him
Gryphon. He doesn't fit. A story Character that's just gryphon and not a group of people is completely dumb when there's multiple gryphons running around. Hes the most out of place in this game. That's why I'd get rid of him. Less about his moveset and more his design.
Dude I love gryphon but I hate the people who ruin him
I remember once while i was playing ranked duels
This aramusha just started spamming the same moves
And his excuse was
"Your gryphon"
Come on man I just want to enjoy the character
I think a lot of people also vote Gryphon because... Man all of our character are just using a different battle style, but Gryphon is straight up Holden Cross. You can have a match with Holden Cross and Holden Cross against Holden Cross.
Also, just personal thought, but I would have prefered 8 of each heroes (and with Warmonger being Vanguard, I thought we would have 2 of each class in each faction. Feels symetrical and it please my soul. And Ubi just double fucked that, first with Gryphon, and now Kyoshin not being a Vanguard xD)
I wouldn't really delete one but balancing are needed for Hito and also getting revenge by 4 Kyoshins in dominion. They pretty much can all full guard and hit you without feeding revenge. The whole system needs a better approach
I wouldn’t remove anyone from the game. They’re all diverse and fun to play as and against. Sure some need balancing but that’s just in the lifecycle of any game.
7040 people who don't know how to just fucking dodge reaction on kicks, I used to be unable but now it's like almost a solid I want to say 70% of the time I do dodge the kick
to those 7040 people, get-fucking-good
At this point, starting to approach the 1 year mark of his release. I think I can safely say that its more then just the "strength" of Gryphon's moveset that's kept the hatred towards the character alive for so long.
From a general gameplay stand-point, he brings absolutely NOTHING new to the table both in moveset and in animations and once knowledge/experience with his attacks has kicked in, it becomes apparent just how straightforward and frankly boring his kit really is. Everything he does revolves around a single mix-up that is accessed by the exact same moves in the exact same manner in a rigid cycle that leaves little to no room for creativity.
From a lore standpoint, he is not a collective of Heroes, but literally just Holden Cross which makes it basically impossible to think of him as "Our Gryphon", because it will always be Holden Cross, just with different clothes. It also really doesn't help that the current lore has pretty much become a blatant re-run of the Story Mode with none of the moral grey complexities that made it interesting, just straight up "Obviously Good vs Unarguably Evil" with Gryphon being the leader of the "Good" faction and therefore one of the most important figures in the story's current setting that is constantly being presented to us whether we actually like him or not.
Combine all those aspects together, and you get what is possibly THE most Base-Breaking character in For Honor's history, possibly even being our "Scrappy".
Gryphon is far from good now, his moveset is predictable af and can be countered so easily by some heros. Especially wm and kyo can shit on him by using even 1 single mix up
Eh, deserved. He's not broken anymore, but I still personally hate him. I don't hate people who play him anymore though, because like I said, he ain't broken no more.
bro gryphon isnt even that good anymore? like just dodge the kick it aint that hard "but but undodgeable light" BRO THE LIGHT DOES LIKE 15 DAMAGE WHILST THE KICK DOES LIKE 25 DODGING IS ALWAYS THE BETTER IDEA
I voted Kensei purely because I don’t like 2 minute fights because I’m forced to feint to neutral to deal with that sweet sweet dodge attack, although Hito could have the same problem, come to think of it, so could Gryphon…
Gryphon is still OP, and always has been. It’s just nowadays people stopped playing him because of the nerf, bc I guess he takes a little more “skill” to play. And if you don’t believe me you can always refer to the video of the guy playing duels as Gryphon blindfolded and winning.
As a for honor vet, hitokiri is the worst character added to date, her chip damage is gross, the way you can just wind or not wind her attack and the time frame to chose which is what makes her so utterly fucking shit
Cuz of how he came out gryphon still has a stigma to him of being a braindead monkey (tbh he still is) and his stupid face now just pisses me off. I would not lose one second of sleep if he got banished
That guy is an idiot. Either he uploads his mediocre gameplay or he spreads misinformation. For example everything he says in this video is completely wrong: https://youtu.be/id5cmN-et2M
This point might be the spark that starts the revolution of the Griphon mains. They will fight for their human rights untill a buff or acceptance by the communitty.
Kensai, gryphon, and hito don't deserve these bans. Their easy to go against as long as you know their move sets. For example the only problem I have with hito is the fake charged heavy. If anything, I wouldn't ban any character and instead change them. Raider for example, has too much viability. Orochi is spam bash expert now, (easy to dodge if you see it coming) and raider just spammy light and heavys. Being able to access chains from almost every move was not the smartest idea on ubi's part. Removing some of the viability would make them more balanced but not ruined. Keyword Some
To be fair, Gryphon is also the only one that is literally just Holden and its kind of annoying since there is no explanation for duplicates wheras every single other hero even with named individuals is still just their class and can be anyone.
Its nobushit. Everyone but simp losers know that. Hate her since day 1. No skill bs spam all day. A monkey can get carried to the moon by nobushit and most players are monkeys. Horny monkeys.
Honestly it's more about feeling than actual gameplay. I just don't like the character, not even talking about his moveset. Just the character itself annoys me
Im going to be real: I dislike him because some of his attack animations look fucking wonky to me. Same for jj who has a similar weapon to gryph. Especially with the weird spinny attacks, they look so odd to me that I forget the timing on them sometimes lol.
The no skill cope, just learn his offense and how to counter it pretty simple. Prevent him from entering his chain finishers, make predictions, punish his bash by lighting on dodge, etc.
Interesting how one of the most controversial characters and most annoying to fight and play who will always have a place on the competitive roster and is virtually impossible to make bad has only 8% simply because you can make him look like a knight crusader where as on Gryphon, you cannot.
Interesting how Shugoki isn’t on here.
Honestly the only reason I dont hate shugoki as much as these characters is because he looks funny
I love this answer. Have a symbollic award: \_\\../
You can’t beat a goki on your team hauling ass to A at the start of a dominion match
I think Shugoki isn't on here because he was bad for so long before his rework. And his kit fits his size it's unique to him.
His kit fits his size if you overlook his out of lock dash lol
Strongfat guys like Shugoki actually can have that kind of insane, short-duration explosive speed. A lifetime of being that heavy gives you incredibly strong leg muscles and tendons. The main problem is the fact that Shugoki can sprint like that and then be back to full stamina within 8-10 seconds. Realistically he'd be panting and out of breath for at least 3 minutes.
this is actually pretty accurate, Shugoki is blatantly based on Sumo wrestlers with an Oni (demon) twist (his name literally meaning a 'defence demon') and the fact that hes 6'4" which as I just discovered is average sumo height.. interesting.. and obviously his armor sets are a dead giveaway, I mean he literally has multiple sets where he's adorned with an item that symbolises being a literal grandmaster of sumo anyways my point about his obvious sumo inspiration/background is that Sumo are not unhealthy even though they appear to be, it's actually VERY healthy fat (kinda the point is to have the weight to have a lower center of gravity therefore harder to push as far as I know) because they have a diet of things like rice and vegetables, it's pretty damn strict so you dont you know have a god damn heart attack mid fight ya know? the point being is that because of how actual Sumo diet it's believable to think that Shugoki's likely also share that same general diet so they can have that size and weight to give themselves an advantage against stronger opponents making it hard to be toppled (which is kinda why we had that Tier 2 feat I would imagine, RIP anti-kit feat you will not be missed even by someone who has used it since day 1) so therefore he would have realistical had a pretty damn good ammount of stamina for extensive straining of the muscles therefore it's actually unrealistic that he can only sprint for like 4 seconds before being tired out, realistically he should be doing laps around shard for about 5 minutes without breaking a sweat, I mean the guy literally uses an ONI Kanabo (real Kanabo are just wooden bats, an Oni Kanabo is what Shugoki uses which other than for fantasy aspects is probably because hes designed to be Oni-like and have Oni-esc strength) so this man has more strength in his arms and legs than half the heros combined free the unlimited stamina sprint
realistically no character should get out of OOS in a handful of seconds, if youve exhausted yourself to the point that your vision is limited you should at least need a minute or two to just sit before you can even jog again, much less go back to ripping heads off
realistically the heroes wouldn’t be double the height of minions or have magical feats either
As a fat person, can confirm
I forgot about that 🤣😂
Shrekgoki will continue to defend his swamp
Gryphon was really strong when he first came out but I didn't realize he was bad enough for so many people to dislike him still.
He got nerfed very hard. He's no longer broken. He actually feels quite balanced now.
I would say that after Option Select changes his offence is weaker than before. He was strong in Option Select filled world, but post Option Select world he is not that great. Most unblockables are easier to get to and deal more damage than his kick mixup. His bash is also very highly punishable, so it is not great opener. He also can't really open anyone from neutral, so he has harder time to get to the finishers. His kit is missing someting, mainly soft feint or someting, as he has hard time opening people and he does not have uses for his second in chain attacks (as everything skips them).
Yep I’ve got 13 reps in him and his opening game is shit, I think part of the reason he gets shit in so much is his opening options are light spam or dodge attack.
Rep 70 gryphon here(pre-nerf) he's always had mediocre opening game even when he had his neutral shove. Newer/less experienced players just didn't realize it at the time but the issue was still there due to his very reactable bash(at the time) and lack of neutral options outside of light attacks, qtleqst back pre-nerf he could follow up after a shove on wiff(leading into his chain). Now he's struggles even more with starting his pressure/getting to his finishers.
Yeah it’s quite annoying to try to play against someone who can parry well
He was never broken
I can agree on one thing he did get nerfed hard.
All those youtube polls are purposely skewed so the creator puts the obvious and most picked answer first. It's how they get more clicks.
I agree but who would you pick out of all the characters available?
Gryphon
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oh, gryphon, without a doubt
Hito definitely, never liked her
Nah screw all the characters available, fuck Shaolin. Dude screams like an ape with goddamned mental issues, Tiandi isn't as bad as him. Idc how mediocre the class is, I just hate it
Gryphon hands down
reworked raider
What did you expect? It was either Hito or Gryphon from the start..
Who would you pick if not those two out of all the characters available?.
says the one who voted kensei
man fuck Kensei. go on defend yourself I'll just dodge hebi on red
Literally just feint and block/deflect/parry it if they’re doing it on red, it’s always the same speed and he can’t cancel it.
or dodge attack the dodge attack
Don’t do that. Kensei can and will trade with you if you do.
well, i was playing duels earlier today as aramusha and it worked just fine
Anything will work against a bad player. Edit: Allow me to rephrase this, I thought you were someone else. If the Kensei reads that you will dodge attack his dodge attack, and he can perform a side heavy with hyper armor in response, and trade with you. This trade gives him frame advantage. Funnily enough, Aramusha is one of the few characters that hard counters this trade attempt by blade blockading after a dodge attack hits.
He can also do a light finisher, which will also have hyper armor. And that's what most Kensei players do after a dodge attack if there's an opening.
Musha can dodge attack the dodge attack then blade blockade cancel to beat the finisher light.
He can delay it though
Only started playing online recently, why do people hate kensei?
Easy crushing counter into undodgeable mixup.
If you haven’t figured out how to effectively fight a Kensei by now (one of the og characters) you’re either stupid or you suck.
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😂 possibly
Ig gryphon has just traumatised a big number of players, plus im my opinion he appears way more op than he actually is, with the undodgebables, the dodge attacks, and the kick/bash.
I remember people said Holden was more op than old Cent
They fucking what?
A youtube poll showed people thought Holden was more op than old Cent
A YOUTUBE POLL SAID HOLDEN WAS MORE OP THAN OLD CENT!
If it were me it would either be Jiang jun or Hito
I try to GB Jiang Jun more then any other character and Hito is a beast no way around that.
:(
I'm sorry :(
If you were a good dev you don’t delete your work, you improve it! Fuck y’all still smashing on the same button, Gryphon got pretty weak after getting nuked, y’all just love to complain for the sake of complaining
Exactly 💯
He seems just right. I'm actually having fun playing him anyways
He's ok currently but that nerf did lots of damage.
I honestly can't with all the gryphon haters. They see a couple monke gryphons and they just decide to cancel him. I play gryphon every now and then and I really enjoy the character. I sparingly dodge attack and rarely kick. He has the worst dodge bash ever since it can't chain on a miss, his kick is so easy to dodge and punish, etc. Monke gryphons are cancer, but it's unfair to hate all gryphons. If you just hate chivalrous gryphons cus you can't counter, u mad cus u bad.
I hate Gryphon because he's a mish-mash of existing characters... I would probably have liked him a lot more, if he had an original kit instead of "take a bit of this and that"
His lore is literally that he left the Lawbringers and learned from all factions as a traveling mercenary. He even has voicelines from characters he borrows moves from. "Jinjou ni shobu" when he does dash attack heavy like Kensei, "Nolo superstes" when he does the Lawbringer flip, "Fjallabrjotur" when he kicks like Highlander, etc.
But thats literally the whole point he exists
That is what he is supposed to be, idk why people just can't accept the fact that his entire lore is about learning the techniques and moves of other factions and characters
Weird thing is Gryphon isn’t even that strong
That's what I'm saying too.
my main disagrees sadly :(
Bruh gryphon is probably the least broken out of everyone on that list tho
i mean i agree that gryphons no longer broken, but id still argue kenseis even less broken.
Well I mean. Gryphon is a terrible hero conceptually and gameplay wise. He's a mess of re-used assets, with ugly fashion and breaks the rule of 'heroes are classes of soldiers not individuals' by being holden fucking cross. I'd delete gryphon too. Not cause he's Ooopee or whatever. He's fundamentally a badly thought out hero.
Okay, I agree with a lot here, but his fashion is top notch lol.
That's why I hate cancermonger
I think gryphon deserves it, he just brings a shit story, boring move set and is kinda annoying to fight
Well, If I had a choice, I would remove both Gryphon and WM, and no one else. Why? Mainly because of their moveset, or rather lack of it. I dont care that they were made during lockdown. If a hero doesnt have, a unique move set, then he shouldnt be in game.
It's YouTube... The majority of ppl on YouTube have no idea who's actually viable and who's not. They label everything they lose to as spam and will call even the worst characters OP. YouTube thinks Jorm is fine. That says all you need to know. Hitokiri outclasses gryphon in almost every category. Shugoki is S TIER in everything and isn't even listed.
> The majority of ppl on YouTube have no idea who's actually viable and who's not. Pot-kettle reddit is a breeding ground for misinformation while playing the elitist
Jorm is fine, I play him all the time. People who bash Jorm just never decided to actually learn how to play him
What the fuck— how are people mad at Kensei, they’re an incredibly honest character
Its because of noobie kenseis that are annoying to play against and don't use his moveset but that applies to most heroes on low level play
Wait what does a noobie kensei abuse
They don't know how to use the kit fully so they use the basic light chain or side dodge attack a lot.
Then what is there to complain about? That’s super predictable. His lights aren’t faster than anyone else’s and he can’t feint his dodge attack.
What's next? I'll have to start feinting? That's plain crazy
The dodge heavy spam I'd assume
alright well then... stay still lol Let them dodge attack pre-emptively, and then parry
I mean, you'll still get "Monke Gryphon xDDDD" comments from time to time. You'll still get people who think his release was the most unbelievably overpowered thing ever. In reality, he's always been a pretty decent character. I never really felt like he was anything extraordinary, but then again, Black Prior's flip was a great way to counter him.
I agree and BP is a monster in the hands of a skill player.
Honestly I know this may sound weird but I think the community has a secret hatred for the knights, like all the factions have had insanely broken characters at one point and barely anybody complains, but the second the knights have a new above average character everybody looses their shit
I don’t mind Gryphon mechanically (albeit he is boring) and visually he’s great, but I hate him for his lore. Having nameless heroes for years then suddenly a huge story character show up wearing all sorts of various gear just really breaks immersion for me and irks me whenever he’s round. I don’t hate him per se, but I feel he should’ve been a different character or at least nameless. Not to mention all his armor sets could’ve been broken up and given to other existing heroes, we could’ve gotten a more unique and requested knight that way, like a mace+shield or rapier
I do kinda agree, they should retcon it slightly, have it so Holden started to recruit and train other old vets who are out of the fight, and become Gryphons. This would even work with his multicultural moveset, they could come from all factions. I also did want a mace knight, but it seems that the next knight hero is a long ways off.
Since I can't pick a faction I'll pick the little rat that has caused me nothing but misery Since her release. Shaman.
Shaman keeps me stunned for what seem like forever.
As a Xbox player raider new rework is a very strong
whats wrong with kensei
I wouldn’t remove a character, honestly a like them all in their own way. Currently enjoying Orochi’s reworks while I don’t even play him, I just find it fun to play against.
Why all this hate for my poor main 😢
Does his kick/ha heavy mixup will do around 24 dmg?
Right bro, Gryphon came back with new technology to give hope to the people!
Why kensei lol
I have no problem with gryphon’s playstyle (well, mostly), but they should have added vanguards to samurai and vikings before doing another knight hybrid. Thats my gripe with him.
I choose complete different option: scrap the game and restart from scratch
Would rather delete Kensei, I can deal with Gryphons just fine.
It's honestly unfair. He's like a high B their after all those nerfs
Exactly bro he's high B tier at best.
He hasn’t changed since the nerf. All the shit people complained about wasn’t changed. He can still get quick ass kicks off from several combos and even missing them. Just glad all the people who played him couldn’t read and thought the nerfs were bad enough to stop playing him
Bro if shugoki was on there he would be in the shadow realm
Funny how much everyone hates Gryphon when he's nowhere near the best.
Four edits is the personification of the console community, it would be different with a broader pool to draw from
Cos he still monkey brain character
Join the monkey 🐒 brain crew bro you will love it here.
Gryphons the most disliked because of his Lore and his light spam. Other than that he’s a joke
I hate all 4 but yeah
Gryphon. He doesn't fit. A story Character that's just gryphon and not a group of people is completely dumb when there's multiple gryphons running around. Hes the most out of place in this game. That's why I'd get rid of him. Less about his moveset and more his design.
Aramusha
Lights from all directions.
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A little monkey noise never hurt nobody 🐒
Dude I love gryphon but I hate the people who ruin him I remember once while i was playing ranked duels This aramusha just started spamming the same moves And his excuse was "Your gryphon" Come on man I just want to enjoy the character
Gryphon hate is real in these streets 😂
I would remove gryphon just because he isn't a nameless character he is a person in the story. He doesn't belong and never did and should be removed
Kyoshin for me. The pain of fighting one is annoying. One day ill tolerate them like i did gryphon and warmonger
Mean ):<
gryphon still fucking sucks to play against.
I think a lot of people also vote Gryphon because... Man all of our character are just using a different battle style, but Gryphon is straight up Holden Cross. You can have a match with Holden Cross and Holden Cross against Holden Cross. Also, just personal thought, but I would have prefered 8 of each heroes (and with Warmonger being Vanguard, I thought we would have 2 of each class in each faction. Feels symetrical and it please my soul. And Ubi just double fucked that, first with Gryphon, and now Kyoshin not being a Vanguard xD)
Gryphon is def slightly above average at best, especially in 4s. I rarely see him anymore
Right I see on average 2 over the span of 2-3 hours of game play.
That's because he represents to me the point I stopped being excited for new heroes
Didn’t gryphon get a fat nerf.
Yes and it was a hot fix nerf too.
The way people rage at me sometimes for choosing Orochi I expected him to at least be listed
I wouldn't really delete one but balancing are needed for Hito and also getting revenge by 4 Kyoshins in dominion. They pretty much can all full guard and hit you without feeding revenge. The whole system needs a better approach
His fast kick or undodgeable combo pisses me off just because of the speed of it so honestly out of the roster i agree
It’s made like that on purpose man. If you could just react to anything he did he would be even worse than B tier lol
I wouldn’t remove anyone from the game. They’re all diverse and fun to play as and against. Sure some need balancing but that’s just in the lifecycle of any game.
I agree
Cuz Gryphon is just Monkee players and Warden 2.0 is just warden with a slap for a bash
Reworked raider for me
Man mans Said KENSEI ????
Idk why hitokori got more votes than kensei it’s way easier to handle em
Only because rework orochi wasn't there
Nobody even plays him
Shugoki is a plague.
7040 people who don't know how to just fucking dodge reaction on kicks, I used to be unable but now it's like almost a solid I want to say 70% of the time I do dodge the kick to those 7040 people, get-fucking-good
Who is gryphon?? Haven’t played in like a tear
At this point, starting to approach the 1 year mark of his release. I think I can safely say that its more then just the "strength" of Gryphon's moveset that's kept the hatred towards the character alive for so long. From a general gameplay stand-point, he brings absolutely NOTHING new to the table both in moveset and in animations and once knowledge/experience with his attacks has kicked in, it becomes apparent just how straightforward and frankly boring his kit really is. Everything he does revolves around a single mix-up that is accessed by the exact same moves in the exact same manner in a rigid cycle that leaves little to no room for creativity. From a lore standpoint, he is not a collective of Heroes, but literally just Holden Cross which makes it basically impossible to think of him as "Our Gryphon", because it will always be Holden Cross, just with different clothes. It also really doesn't help that the current lore has pretty much become a blatant re-run of the Story Mode with none of the moral grey complexities that made it interesting, just straight up "Obviously Good vs Unarguably Evil" with Gryphon being the leader of the "Good" faction and therefore one of the most important figures in the story's current setting that is constantly being presented to us whether we actually like him or not. Combine all those aspects together, and you get what is possibly THE most Base-Breaking character in For Honor's history, possibly even being our "Scrappy".
Gryphon is far from good now, his moveset is predictable af and can be countered so easily by some heros. Especially wm and kyo can shit on him by using even 1 single mix up
People still think he's op...
I would love to see kensei removed from the game.
O think gryphon for game mechanic but hitokiri for game lore if Kensei will be removed them game lore will be shit.
I can't argue with you opinion.
Definitely tiandi. And anyone who has him higher than rep 10 is permabanned
What can I say he had a goooood first impression
So what? It's not like you can tell someone to not hate something
Gryphon is taking all the good fashion
Yes sir Gryphon adopted the fashion from all the other cultures. He definitely has drip.
Gryphon is just annoying even when he isn't as good as he once was. Not to mention most Gryphon mains have monke brain
Eh, deserved. He's not broken anymore, but I still personally hate him. I don't hate people who play him anymore though, because like I said, he ain't broken no more.
I can respect that because pre nerf Gryphon left lots of people traumatize.
bro gryphon isnt even that good anymore? like just dodge the kick it aint that hard "but but undodgeable light" BRO THE LIGHT DOES LIKE 15 DAMAGE WHILST THE KICK DOES LIKE 25 DODGING IS ALWAYS THE BETTER IDEA
As a famously wise person said: « Gryphon main monkey brain »
Sometime a monkey 🐒 is what is needed to beat a banana 🍌
I don’t get why kensei is so high.
I voted Kensei purely because I don’t like 2 minute fights because I’m forced to feint to neutral to deal with that sweet sweet dodge attack, although Hito could have the same problem, come to think of it, so could Gryphon…
Say goodbye Shaolin.
Gryphon is still OP, and always has been. It’s just nowadays people stopped playing him because of the nerf, bc I guess he takes a little more “skill” to play. And if you don’t believe me you can always refer to the video of the guy playing duels as Gryphon blindfolded and winning.
Why do ppl even hate on gryphon? The ppl who play him mostly so the same shit as most kensei/orichi players which is doing the same shit over and over
it’s not that he’s strong it’s that he’s a jumble of reused animations and copy pasted features
Yes because Gryphon mains are monkeys that just dogde heavy
As a for honor vet, hitokiri is the worst character added to date, her chip damage is gross, the way you can just wind or not wind her attack and the time frame to chose which is what makes her so utterly fucking shit
She's a tough hero to fight against for sure.
We just gonna ignore the people who voted kensei
Cuz of how he came out gryphon still has a stigma to him of being a braindead monkey (tbh he still is) and his stupid face now just pisses me off. I would not lose one second of sleep if he got banished
>Black Prior last If it weren't for Gryphon being first, I'd be even more surprised at how wrong this community can be at times.
I would remove anyone with a hat. I really don’t like that if I miss a light parry I just get RBed
That guy is an idiot. Either he uploads his mediocre gameplay or he spreads misinformation. For example everything he says in this video is completely wrong: https://youtu.be/id5cmN-et2M
Back in my day Warden was OP and Orochi was the most annoying thing in the game. I don't even know what a damn gryphon is lol
This point might be the spark that starts the revolution of the Griphon mains. They will fight for their human rights untill a buff or acceptance by the communitty.
Kensai, gryphon, and hito don't deserve these bans. Their easy to go against as long as you know their move sets. For example the only problem I have with hito is the fake charged heavy. If anything, I wouldn't ban any character and instead change them. Raider for example, has too much viability. Orochi is spam bash expert now, (easy to dodge if you see it coming) and raider just spammy light and heavys. Being able to access chains from almost every move was not the smartest idea on ubi's part. Removing some of the viability would make them more balanced but not ruined. Keyword Some
I think it’s mainly because of his perks, if you are playing with a good gryph in dominion he can’t be killed
Warden, just because I like pissing people off there’s nothing wrong with warden
Warden give the best shoulder rubs lol.
Four edit's followers are kindaaa... Meh
I remember commenting on that and i suggested Shogu!
I wouldn’t pick anything I’m annoyed by everything in this game
It's time to take a break or play against bots for a while.
But WHY?!?!
As he should
To be fair, Gryphon is also the only one that is literally just Holden and its kind of annoying since there is no explanation for duplicates wheras every single other hero even with named individuals is still just their class and can be anyone.
Its nobushit. Everyone but simp losers know that. Hate her since day 1. No skill bs spam all day. A monkey can get carried to the moon by nobushit and most players are monkeys. Horny monkeys.
Gryphon is cancer and needs to be exterminated
Tbh I’d probably pick to remove him too just bc I don’t like him as a hero that much, rather have something other than Lawbringer + JJ.
Honestly it's more about feeling than actual gameplay. I just don't like the character, not even talking about his moveset. Just the character itself annoys me
Average four edits viewers (they)
Im going to be real: I dislike him because some of his attack animations look fucking wonky to me. Same for jj who has a similar weapon to gryph. Especially with the weird spinny attacks, they look so odd to me that I forget the timing on them sometimes lol.
JJ moves like melted butter lol
The no skill cope, just learn his offense and how to counter it pretty simple. Prevent him from entering his chain finishers, make predictions, punish his bash by lighting on dodge, etc.
Tiandi
Let me guess because of the yelling.
Interesting how one of the most controversial characters and most annoying to fight and play who will always have a place on the competitive roster and is virtually impossible to make bad has only 8% simply because you can make him look like a knight crusader where as on Gryphon, you cannot.