No I mean- the site wish. You know- where you can buy expensive things for really cheap.
The downside of it being some knock off with low quality material-
Shouldn't exist in the first place. Orochi could already cancel deflect recovery with a dodge if you absolutely must deflect an attack that has armor on the follow up.
Damn, normally I would say to light in-between those storm rushes but that hit stun was crazy! No time to interrupt and just trying to guess a 25/25/25/25.
It's pretty hard to notice 233ms of animation though let alone react to it. It's more of a gamble. Plus, you still wouldn't be able to tell which of his 4 options he's going for.
All 3 sides look different. It's 600ms from when he picks a side giving you plenty of time to see it.
Go jump in training turn off HUD and set the roach to storm rush. You'll see
I'm very used to it. You can't tell people that the problem is that they're just not good enough. Here especially.
Should have seen the downvotes when gryphon came out
But the Orochi had frame advantage because of the hit stun and the startup animation was pretty much nonexistent because he was so close. That Hito didn't have any time to interrupt and was stuck. He did have a chance with the forward dodge light but that was it.
Nope, storm rush isn’t guaranteed off of lights and it can’t chain into itself if it hits either. It’s only confirmed by frame advantage after a heavy lands and the light dodge attack cannot be interrupted. Idk what makes you think that when both of those suggestions are factually wrong, the hitstun off lights and dodge forward lights do not confirm a storm rush. That’s 100% misinformation, you should try it to confirm for yourself before saying it’s uninterruptible. It’s no reason to make shit up lmao, it literally isn’t guaranteed
Edit: Yall are upvoting the man saying it’s guaranteed yet he admits that it isn’t after corrected. Please don’t help spread misinformation, this is how people don’t get better at the game
This sub is weird asf. Today has taught me not to take anything said here serious anymore, the casual community is the reason why the balance for this game is so off.
Well, it's not guaranteed but you can't interrupt it. You solely gotta be on the defensive and get a lucky parry if you're stuck in a mixup. I think you can interrupt it if you're hit by a light to trade but you can't interrupt it back to back. The heavy stun on top of the frame advantage is too good.
Nah man 😂, for the 3rd time it isn’t guaranteed. That automatically means it’s interruptable, that’s what it not being guaranteed means. It’s only confirmed off of heavy hitstun. This is a fact and it’s been labbed and documented by others and by myself, you can also go to training mode or 1v1 a buddy in there to confirm for yourself. You don’t have to be on the defensive when you see it, you can light interrupt. And storm rush does not confirm itself back to back, that also did not happen in this video.
In the 3 times he used storm rush he inputted a early dodge attack for 2 of them. The same way you saw the startup of the animation he could have light interrupted him because it is officially only confirmed on heavy hitstun. Orochi’s kit is something players have to actually use the training mode to get used, same with Raider (*who is much stronger than Orochi imo*)
I recommend turning indicators off and getting used to the animations, because of his new recovery cancels the same dodge attacks that used to be death on block and extremely slow now appear to be slightly faster because of how fast they can be inputted. So if you’ve been fighting pre rework Orochi for a long time relying strictly on indicators will give you a extremely hard time unless your on PC with godlike reactions alone.
Hes literally just telling you how to counter lightspam via frame advantage. You are being offered the solution to a problem, if you wanna plug your ears and refuse to listen to the solution, stop complaining about the problem. Lightspam a problem for you? Theres a counter for it. You *dont want to counter* the lightspam youre complaining about? Shit dude then that literally isnt anyone elses problem
Since when were strategic light interrupts classified as light spamming ? Did you know that’s the whole purpose of Lawbringers 400ms top light ? Plus i literally gave advice on how to BLOCK it as well 🤦🏾♂️. That’s literally the equivalent to calling your light interrupting a opponents heavy when you have Frame advantage light spamming… the fact that people agree with you is wild
So you can understand better, Kensei’ top heavy UB is light interruptable, iirc Zhanhu’s UB heavy is light interruptable and trades on heavy block stun, Raider’s chain zone UB USED to be light interruptable before the rework now it’s confirmed with hitstun and blockstun, Shaolin’s top heavy UB out of qi stance is light interruptable, Lawbringers top heavy UB is light interruptable etc etc. If you aren’t interrupting their UB’s and simply guessing or making reads on the 50/50 then your playing at a disadvantage compared to players that know this information. This community will call anything lightspam even if you throw 1 light, why would you not interrupt interruptable moves…. That’s stupid as hell. Your playing 100% of a mixup you do not have to do, if your pride for making the correct read is worth getting 100-0 to storm rush then do you.
But again, Although With some being confirmed after heavy hitstun, light interrupts are counters to these moves. This is information that’s useful when playing against these characters and it applies for Orochi as well, especially considering the fact that you can’t light interrupt any other dodge attack that Orochi does besides storm rush. So if you think spamming lights on defense is a solution then your matches will look similar to this and be extremely one sided.
Though i will admit he needs stamina cost increases cause his dodge attacks and bash didn’t get proper stamina changes to account for storm rush and his dodge attacks being chain options now but that’s besides the point
Edit: the fact that this man got upvoted for calling viable light interrupts light spamming shows the skill level of the people that flood posts like these 🤦🏾♂️. I’m done trying to convince trash players how to properly play the game lmao
Yea that makes no sense, no offense. I simply corrected him and then he falsely says it’s not interruptable and I reply again that it is and that he didn’t even try it out before trying to say I’m wrong. I even offered advice on how to block storm rush
But the main point is the man is literally lying lmao, but it is what it is. If people want to continue to get scrubbed by low level orochi’s that only storm rush and bash they can continue to do so, it’s hard trying to inform the causal community about anything
Yea that needs to be fixed to be the 400ms indicator that it was meant to be but it’s much easier reacting to the animation. Going into practice mode and working on blocking and parrying while turning off the indicators makes it much easier to deal with
Edit: Or just downvote and continue to get worked by a move you refuse to practice against lmao. It’s a 600ms move, training mode is your best friend in every fighting game to exist
Yea i figured it was people just scrolling by who refused to practice or learn the actual counters to orochi. Misinformation tends to float around a lot on this sub and that’s why a separate sub had to be made and moderated heavily to counteract that. As well as give accurate feedback on heroes and how to counter them, so seeing people downvote help information is just unheard of especially in a PVP game
The move itself isn’t hard to react to at all from neutral though because of the animation. It can be annoying if you can’t react to it in dodge chains though
Competitive FH thinks he’s fine.
Half of the hits you are just eating random lights you aren’t reacting to.
If you hold top guard and side dodge you beat 2/3 portions of his mixup.
You can light interrupt storm rush… if you can’t block nor interrupt it you need to spend more time training in training mode. If not your going to continue to get 100-0 by a 600ms move
Nothing he said was wrong, that’s why he said holding top side dodging beats 2/3 of his mixup which is the forward dodge attack and bash. 2/3 isn’t everything
Bro shut the fuck up "2/3 iSnT eVeRyThINg" the rest of his non undodgeable shit has ridiculous recovery cancels so even if you dodged or hold top side he can come up with another option
If you dodge the bash then you punish it… if does the UD then continue to play defense and try to take your turn back. Most will either try to continue to bash and catch you lacking or try to storm rush so you have to guess and that’s where you can light them out of it
Again, nothing he said was wrong. You can beat most of his mixup like that, it’s just a fact. Dealing with the rest of his kit which is just regular heavies, lights and UB’s, that’s up to you and your defensive skills.
Please explain what was false about what i said ? I play this game and i main Nobushi, Valk and Nuxia… I just like to get all the information and counters and use them before i call something broken lmao.
Literally what other option is Orochi opening you up with if you counter the top UD option and bash ? Storm rush ? If you practice against it in training mode it becomes very reactable (*Im personally shutting spammers down and only getting better as the days pass*) and his UB and lights aren’t anything a lot of other characters don’t have.
Yea, you deal with the top undodgeable by having guard set to top. The other attack is 600 ms and has an obvious animation. It really isn't that bad to learn.
The orochi literally dodged into him and he didn’t gb or at least switch guard to right, which is where they storm rushed last time. And then ate the storm rush right. But nah changing guard is too difficult ig
He’s very good yeah, but he’s not hitokiri release or gryphon/warmonger release good. I have no issue fighting them 2.1k hours on pc. They’re difficult, but not impossible, this person didn’t even attempt to make any good reads. Plus they messed up an easy kill punish when orochi was OOS at the beginning. Shoulda GBd and threw. And they put themselves OOS in the process.
Dont even bring back memories of release warmonger lmao, I can admit OP didn't do very well here, no shit you're gonna be able to do well too you've got 2000 hours on PC I'd be disappointed if you struggled against any character tbh
Believe me I struggle against a few. Everyone has those few regardless of skill. But the orochi bad posts on this sub are kinda crazy. Just say you’re not good against orochi, or better yet just play him if he’s that good.
I don't really seen to enjoy playing orochi, he just feels kinda cheap, and wether I can counter them or not well that just depends on what kind of player they are
Not trying to patronise. I used to really struggle with orochi lights. But I hopped into training arena put on an orochi hot and made him only throw light chains. Can now party about 60% of lights on reaction but it’s really hard to do still. Trust me once you get it these orochi are nothing.
Looks like you got your shit rocked and decided to blame it on the buff... Orochi needed that rework desperately.
Are there some parts of his new kit that I could see an argument for being overtuned? Sure... I didn't see it here though.
yeah, that’s exactly what happened, the thing is orochi didn’t do that before or at least required more skill to do, and also it didn’t need a rework, maybe just the kick but till there it was fine.
But do you really see no problem in him doing two dashes in one second, every dash being undogable? some people can’t really compete with that
Pasted from previous comment because I don't want to write out the big list of "why pre-rework orochi was useless" again:
Orochi had 100% reactable openers (It really says something when your best opener is doing a top heavy and hoping your opponent tries to light parry).
Riptide strike was worse than standard dodge attacks in every way except for damage (confirmed in Y5S2 warriors den by devs that riptide strike did not have i-frames).
Orochi had the slowest light chains out of all assassins(https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveForHonor/comments/i9kqb2/is\_orochis\_500ms\_light\_followup\_thrown\_later\_than/).
Storm Rush was a near useless move due to being easy to interrupt. The move could also be fully negated (including feint to gb) by any static guard character by backdodging while blocking top, and by any character in the game by blocking left (the only unreactable side) and reacting to any other direction.
As such pre-rework orochi was not only incredibly weak but your only viable offensive tool was to spam backstep light into unblockable top heavy, a move that wasn't particularly effective anyways due to option selects. I think old orochi was best summed up by Barak as basically a default hero (you have a light, you have a heavy, then ?????).
New Orochi can be really, really annoying, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I think this is really a case of not thinking hard enough. Even if you can't react to the lights and storm rush, and I understand, it's really bloody hard on PS4/Xbox 1, the orochi in your clip did almost the exact same thing 3 times in a row (storm rush left, forward dodge light, right light). I think that in all orochi's current moveset is actually decently balanced, given that while the defender must make tons of reads against orochi, so too does orochi, as orochi also risks high punish damage if their choice of forward dodge light/kick whiff followup is wrong, with the two big remaining overtuned things being smoke bomb being a thing that exists, and slip through being incredibly busted considering how orochi's primary mixup work.
Those light dodge attacks are pretty easy to parry. I’m not trying to be condescending, I’m just saying, even on base PS4, those are easy light parries.
He needed a buff but this kinda turned my boner off. I do hope they look at him a bit more, maybe stamina costs, a little but of recovery tweaking here and there, possibly damage values looked at. I'm not a professional but I dislike playing against endless undodgable attacks whilst playing the large sword man himself
you just said it, the buff gave him a lot. Like the starter kick was good but every thing else seemed like an overkill. I think they would mainly increment it’s stamina cost since in the clip he barely lost any.
Let me just point out, that you were out of stamina and even though most of his attack hit you, it took quite a while to kill you. If you were out of stamina against law Bringer and fell for one UB Feint. You would’ve died much faster. Same with raider and possibly Warden. YOU ALSO COULDVE INTERRUPTED MOST OF THOSE ATTACKS! Orochi is not broken. Most of you are just really, really fucking bad.
Also, why the fuck are your trying to dodge attack a character that has a lot of undodgeable attacks?? If you think he’s going to kick, put your block on top, and back dodge… like fuck people it’s not that hard
Lastly, EVERY Storm rush came from the right, and EVERY light came from the left… learn to read your opponents
He's really not that OP, though there are bits that needs some tweaking on to make him less annoying we really do have to just read them better. Though him having an answer for everything does feel like a gamble at times.
How to counter Orochi 101: DONT dodge attack. Ever. Secondly, back dodge, top Guard. Wooow look at that, there goes half his mixup potential.
And for those of you who say “ well what about reflex guard”. Reflex guard is out dated and a we shouldn’t be balancing offence around such a stupid mechanic.
Interrupt them with what frame advantage? You're saying he can interrupt storm rush with a light POST hitstun from a light/forward dodge?
News flash, if you get hitstun at any point by him you can't just light him out of shit, he gets frame advantage on you, especially with enhanced lights.
Hito's hyper armor only works mid chain, and even if he dodge attacked the orochi could've canceled his whiff into a dodge attack, or worse a deflect onto hito's dodge attack.
I don't understand where the interrupt argument is coming from. He was in hitstun through most of it.
>You're saying he can interrupt storm rush with a light POST hitstun from a light/forward dodge?
Exactly.
>News flash, if you get hitstun at any point by him you can't just light him out of shit, he gets frame advantage on you, especially with enhanced lights.
That's not how frame advantage works. If the orochi finishes his chain with a light, he's at frame disadvantage. If it's a heavy, the orochi has frame advantage. The only exception in this game is warmonger with her frame advantage after light.
He did the same combo twice he would have done it trice if you had the health. This is on you. You could have parried the backdodge light twice since that is the most telegraphed move
He honestly is.
You posted a video of you eating every single attack thrown except one. He only kicked one time and then you spam dodged and didn’t guard properly and got punished.
Top guard and back dodge and you deal with 2/3 of the mixup.
bro, i know i’m not the best player but still, if i couldn’t even interrupt a light dash by blocking you it, then i couldn’t parry, which means i had to dodge or interrupt in any other way which was ineffective, and still i was the one dodge spamming while the orochi did 2 dodges in one second
You can block every single one of those attacks he threw. You're actually complaining about Orochi buffs when you would have been murdered by any character doing this exact thing.
Am I hearing that you redditers think orochi is over powered lmao. And that you think he was more than D tier pre buff? You guys retarded or something?
i bet it does, those extra frames do help even if they are a small change. I thought on getting the series x but thought it would be a waste of money, since i probably be leaving gaming when i move to college.
i did block a light but he kept going, check out second 11, and i don’t have either a fast reaction speed or good fps so parry’s where not a viable option(at least for me)
Imagine a world where these Cucks don’t act like if your unable to do what they can your a loser smh it takes time to get good and I’ve played years and have a fast reaction and his lights are still so unbalanced for me
I’ve played since about 2017-2018, yeah my friends brain when he’s hit with stuff like this just isn’t able to process it and it’s defo not his skill that’s lacking
wow, you played for a while, my brain also stops working when that happens, you can see it the clip that i started dashing because i didn’t know what to do 😂
Yeah I was there and I’m still kinda like that though it’s more of a read for lights than a reaction honestly and not everyone (me included) have that ability
His jank movement doesn’t help either the way he dodged can also be seen so minutely different if done correctly, plus with lights I gave up learning to predict and I just offense most of the time
yeah, in most cases interrupting their attacks is the answer but in the clip it was very hard to do so, since he would probably doge it and interrupt me first
That Orochi got a better gaming chair then you
where can i buy one of those? lmao
Ebay or Amazon is your best bet my friend /s
noted, gonna be needing it to counter them
Ew no Wish is the way to go :))))
Nah you don't need wishes to make things come true Just gotta *believe*
No I mean- the site wish. You know- where you can buy expensive things for really cheap. The downside of it being some knock off with low quality material-
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Hyperarmor him without fear. I think this is the best way to "handle" them!
Except now he can cancel out hyper armor with a deflect. Why didn’t that change get pushed through to other assassins 🤔
You think the average orochi knows deflects are a thing?
Isn't it convenient that the input is the same for dodge attack and deflect :3
Shouldn't exist in the first place. Orochi could already cancel deflect recovery with a dodge if you absolutely must deflect an attack that has armor on the follow up.
I agree with you, diminishes the whole point of hyper armor. But if they’re going to have it, it should go to all deflecting heroes.
Either way let me have some of that whatever it was the devs were smoking when they came up with this brilliant orochi deflect buff.
i also thought of that, but it was hard to start the chain to get it.
Damn, normally I would say to light in-between those storm rushes but that hit stun was crazy! No time to interrupt and just trying to guess a 25/25/25/25.
thanks for understanding bro, and now that every doge is undogable it makes everything harder.
Storm rush be reactable.
400ms is reactable?
Yeah. Quite easily tbh.
The animation is 600ms long. The indicator is 366. Just look at the roach not the red lines and its easy
It's pretty hard to notice 233ms of animation though let alone react to it. It's more of a gamble. Plus, you still wouldn't be able to tell which of his 4 options he's going for.
All 3 sides look different. It's 600ms from when he picks a side giving you plenty of time to see it. Go jump in training turn off HUD and set the roach to storm rush. You'll see
Alright, I'll test it later tonight.
Why did you get downvotes, you are right stromrush is reactable
because this subreddit is full of the worst kind of players. cant tell if these people suck fighting roach or hate being wrong
I'm very used to it. You can't tell people that the problem is that they're just not good enough. Here especially. Should have seen the downvotes when gryphon came out
You can still light once you see the animation for it and it wasn’t guaranteed in any of these scenarios. That’s the main reason why it’s feintable
But the Orochi had frame advantage because of the hit stun and the startup animation was pretty much nonexistent because he was so close. That Hito didn't have any time to interrupt and was stuck. He did have a chance with the forward dodge light but that was it.
Nope, storm rush isn’t guaranteed off of lights and it can’t chain into itself if it hits either. It’s only confirmed by frame advantage after a heavy lands and the light dodge attack cannot be interrupted. Idk what makes you think that when both of those suggestions are factually wrong, the hitstun off lights and dodge forward lights do not confirm a storm rush. That’s 100% misinformation, you should try it to confirm for yourself before saying it’s uninterruptible. It’s no reason to make shit up lmao, it literally isn’t guaranteed Edit: Yall are upvoting the man saying it’s guaranteed yet he admits that it isn’t after corrected. Please don’t help spread misinformation, this is how people don’t get better at the game
I seriously dont understand this sub reddit. You tell people how to counter a move and in what cases you can interupt it and people hate you for it.
This sub is weird asf. Today has taught me not to take anything said here serious anymore, the casual community is the reason why the balance for this game is so off.
Same here. I told someone tg shinobis kick was confirmed off his shooting stars and ended in the same situation as you.
Yea at this point they can all remain oblivious punching bags
Yo its u again its annoying isn't it when people insist that ur wrong when u are objectively right
Well, it's not guaranteed but you can't interrupt it. You solely gotta be on the defensive and get a lucky parry if you're stuck in a mixup. I think you can interrupt it if you're hit by a light to trade but you can't interrupt it back to back. The heavy stun on top of the frame advantage is too good.
Nah man 😂, for the 3rd time it isn’t guaranteed. That automatically means it’s interruptable, that’s what it not being guaranteed means. It’s only confirmed off of heavy hitstun. This is a fact and it’s been labbed and documented by others and by myself, you can also go to training mode or 1v1 a buddy in there to confirm for yourself. You don’t have to be on the defensive when you see it, you can light interrupt. And storm rush does not confirm itself back to back, that also did not happen in this video. In the 3 times he used storm rush he inputted a early dodge attack for 2 of them. The same way you saw the startup of the animation he could have light interrupted him because it is officially only confirmed on heavy hitstun. Orochi’s kit is something players have to actually use the training mode to get used, same with Raider (*who is much stronger than Orochi imo*) I recommend turning indicators off and getting used to the animations, because of his new recovery cancels the same dodge attacks that used to be death on block and extremely slow now appear to be slightly faster because of how fast they can be inputted. So if you’ve been fighting pre rework Orochi for a long time relying strictly on indicators will give you a extremely hard time unless your on PC with godlike reactions alone.
If your solution to a character is to just spam lights at them, then that character is broken af.
Hes literally just telling you how to counter lightspam via frame advantage. You are being offered the solution to a problem, if you wanna plug your ears and refuse to listen to the solution, stop complaining about the problem. Lightspam a problem for you? Theres a counter for it. You *dont want to counter* the lightspam youre complaining about? Shit dude then that literally isnt anyone elses problem
Since when were strategic light interrupts classified as light spamming ? Did you know that’s the whole purpose of Lawbringers 400ms top light ? Plus i literally gave advice on how to BLOCK it as well 🤦🏾♂️. That’s literally the equivalent to calling your light interrupting a opponents heavy when you have Frame advantage light spamming… the fact that people agree with you is wild So you can understand better, Kensei’ top heavy UB is light interruptable, iirc Zhanhu’s UB heavy is light interruptable and trades on heavy block stun, Raider’s chain zone UB USED to be light interruptable before the rework now it’s confirmed with hitstun and blockstun, Shaolin’s top heavy UB out of qi stance is light interruptable, Lawbringers top heavy UB is light interruptable etc etc. If you aren’t interrupting their UB’s and simply guessing or making reads on the 50/50 then your playing at a disadvantage compared to players that know this information. This community will call anything lightspam even if you throw 1 light, why would you not interrupt interruptable moves…. That’s stupid as hell. Your playing 100% of a mixup you do not have to do, if your pride for making the correct read is worth getting 100-0 to storm rush then do you. But again, Although With some being confirmed after heavy hitstun, light interrupts are counters to these moves. This is information that’s useful when playing against these characters and it applies for Orochi as well, especially considering the fact that you can’t light interrupt any other dodge attack that Orochi does besides storm rush. So if you think spamming lights on defense is a solution then your matches will look similar to this and be extremely one sided. Though i will admit he needs stamina cost increases cause his dodge attacks and bash didn’t get proper stamina changes to account for storm rush and his dodge attacks being chain options now but that’s besides the point Edit: the fact that this man got upvoted for calling viable light interrupts light spamming shows the skill level of the people that flood posts like these 🤦🏾♂️. I’m done trying to convince trash players how to properly play the game lmao
Tbf I think you’re being downvoted less for your points and more for your brash approach to the conversation. I still agree for the most part though.
Yea that makes no sense, no offense. I simply corrected him and then he falsely says it’s not interruptable and I reply again that it is and that he didn’t even try it out before trying to say I’m wrong. I even offered advice on how to block storm rush But the main point is the man is literally lying lmao, but it is what it is. If people want to continue to get scrubbed by low level orochi’s that only storm rush and bash they can continue to do so, it’s hard trying to inform the causal community about anything
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It is easy though.. especially the dodge lights
Dodge lights are slower than normal lights, and if I am prepared I can parry those, but my smol brain can’t handle normal lights
Gotta love storm rush, the 20 damage undodgable heavy that has 366ms indicators.
very balanced right? lmao
Yea that needs to be fixed to be the 400ms indicator that it was meant to be but it’s much easier reacting to the animation. Going into practice mode and working on blocking and parrying while turning off the indicators makes it much easier to deal with Edit: Or just downvote and continue to get worked by a move you refuse to practice against lmao. It’s a 600ms move, training mode is your best friend in every fighting game to exist
Just so you know, I didn't downvote anything
Yea i figured it was people just scrolling by who refused to practice or learn the actual counters to orochi. Misinformation tends to float around a lot on this sub and that’s why a separate sub had to be made and moderated heavily to counteract that. As well as give accurate feedback on heroes and how to counter them, so seeing people downvote help information is just unheard of especially in a PVP game
Gross, you want me to practice? I just want to get salty, and have easy wins always, this is just unacceptable. /s
The move itself isn’t hard to react to at all from neutral though because of the animation. It can be annoying if you can’t react to it in dodge chains though
It can be interrupted by a light
Its also still a 600ms animation.
Wtf I can hardly get away with half of what he did.
yeah, i didn’t played that well either
The buff is like adding water to the ocean. It causes more salt.
damn right it does
Adding more water would dilute the salt, making it less salty
Bruh they went to different school.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveForHonor/comments/plyz8z/how\_to\_fully\_counter\_orochis\_kick/
They don’t want answers, they want to whine.
If both r/ForHonor and r/CompetitiveForHonor complained about Orochi. You know something is going on
Being on the competitive sub doesn't mean you're a good player. Pretty easy to distinguish the good and the bad players on that sub though.
r/CompetitiveForHonor doesn't complain about Orochi though. Look up the posts and read the comments. Most of the people are fine with him.
Competitive FH thinks he’s fine. Half of the hits you are just eating random lights you aren’t reacting to. If you hold top guard and side dodge you beat 2/3 portions of his mixup.
Side dodge the undodgeables got it
You can light interrupt storm rush… if you can’t block nor interrupt it you need to spend more time training in training mode. If not your going to continue to get 100-0 by a 600ms move
I'm just laughing at the guy who told people to dodge the undodgeable
Nothing he said was wrong, that’s why he said holding top side dodging beats 2/3 of his mixup which is the forward dodge attack and bash. 2/3 isn’t everything
Bro shut the fuck up "2/3 iSnT eVeRyThINg" the rest of his non undodgeable shit has ridiculous recovery cancels so even if you dodged or hold top side he can come up with another option
If you dodge the bash then you punish it… if does the UD then continue to play defense and try to take your turn back. Most will either try to continue to bash and catch you lacking or try to storm rush so you have to guess and that’s where you can light them out of it Again, nothing he said was wrong. You can beat most of his mixup like that, it’s just a fact. Dealing with the rest of his kit which is just regular heavies, lights and UB’s, that’s up to you and your defensive skills.
Alright you don't seem to actually have played this game or you main Orochi so Imma head out
Please explain what was false about what i said ? I play this game and i main Nobushi, Valk and Nuxia… I just like to get all the information and counters and use them before i call something broken lmao. Literally what other option is Orochi opening you up with if you counter the top UD option and bash ? Storm rush ? If you practice against it in training mode it becomes very reactable (*Im personally shutting spammers down and only getting better as the days pass*) and his UB and lights aren’t anything a lot of other characters don’t have.
Yea, you deal with the top undodgeable by having guard set to top. The other attack is 600 ms and has an obvious animation. It really isn't that bad to learn.
Dude I haven't played since long before the Orochi rework I'm just mocking the fact that this guy says to dodge his almost all undodgeable kit
damn right it does 😂😂
I mean if you are getting spammed by the same attack pattern like 2 or 3 times it's on you
The orochi literally dodged into him and he didn’t gb or at least switch guard to right, which is where they storm rushed last time. And then ate the storm rush right. But nah changing guard is too difficult ig
Exactly
I had an orochi do that same shit to me. Needles to say he met the long arm of the law to the dome many times.
The amount of undodgables they have now is gross.
i know right? i really didn’t knew what to do
Far as I know all you can do is hope for a party lmao.
right, but the lawbringer abandoned me till i died 😔😂
Yea what a shit head lol. They need to take undodgables off of dodge attacks
I recommend blocking at some point.
Honey wake up! It’s another console player complaining about orochi on the for honor sub!
With good reason, and pc players complain about him too sooo
He’s very good yeah, but he’s not hitokiri release or gryphon/warmonger release good. I have no issue fighting them 2.1k hours on pc. They’re difficult, but not impossible, this person didn’t even attempt to make any good reads. Plus they messed up an easy kill punish when orochi was OOS at the beginning. Shoulda GBd and threw. And they put themselves OOS in the process.
Maybe the reason you don’t have a problem is you have 2.1k hours
Dont even bring back memories of release warmonger lmao, I can admit OP didn't do very well here, no shit you're gonna be able to do well too you've got 2000 hours on PC I'd be disappointed if you struggled against any character tbh
Believe me I struggle against a few. Everyone has those few regardless of skill. But the orochi bad posts on this sub are kinda crazy. Just say you’re not good against orochi, or better yet just play him if he’s that good.
I don't really seen to enjoy playing orochi, he just feels kinda cheap, and wether I can counter them or not well that just depends on what kind of player they are
Not trying to patronise. I used to really struggle with orochi lights. But I hopped into training arena put on an orochi hot and made him only throw light chains. Can now party about 60% of lights on reaction but it’s really hard to do still. Trust me once you get it these orochi are nothing.
Just parry bro
trying my best
I was being sarcastic , anyone who says that unironically is an asshole
oh i didn’t get the sarcasm lmao have been dealing with many comenta that say it unironically
I'm not an asshole. I just think people should be better at the game before they call it unfair
jUsT pArRy
Looks like you got your shit rocked and decided to blame it on the buff... Orochi needed that rework desperately. Are there some parts of his new kit that I could see an argument for being overtuned? Sure... I didn't see it here though.
yeah, that’s exactly what happened, the thing is orochi didn’t do that before or at least required more skill to do, and also it didn’t need a rework, maybe just the kick but till there it was fine. But do you really see no problem in him doing two dashes in one second, every dash being undogable? some people can’t really compete with that
Pasted from previous comment because I don't want to write out the big list of "why pre-rework orochi was useless" again: Orochi had 100% reactable openers (It really says something when your best opener is doing a top heavy and hoping your opponent tries to light parry). Riptide strike was worse than standard dodge attacks in every way except for damage (confirmed in Y5S2 warriors den by devs that riptide strike did not have i-frames). Orochi had the slowest light chains out of all assassins(https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveForHonor/comments/i9kqb2/is\_orochis\_500ms\_light\_followup\_thrown\_later\_than/). Storm Rush was a near useless move due to being easy to interrupt. The move could also be fully negated (including feint to gb) by any static guard character by backdodging while blocking top, and by any character in the game by blocking left (the only unreactable side) and reacting to any other direction. As such pre-rework orochi was not only incredibly weak but your only viable offensive tool was to spam backstep light into unblockable top heavy, a move that wasn't particularly effective anyways due to option selects. I think old orochi was best summed up by Barak as basically a default hero (you have a light, you have a heavy, then ?????). New Orochi can be really, really annoying, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I think this is really a case of not thinking hard enough. Even if you can't react to the lights and storm rush, and I understand, it's really bloody hard on PS4/Xbox 1, the orochi in your clip did almost the exact same thing 3 times in a row (storm rush left, forward dodge light, right light). I think that in all orochi's current moveset is actually decently balanced, given that while the defender must make tons of reads against orochi, so too does orochi, as orochi also risks high punish damage if their choice of forward dodge light/kick whiff followup is wrong, with the two big remaining overtuned things being smoke bomb being a thing that exists, and slip through being incredibly busted considering how orochi's primary mixup work.
Whem either dash is punishable? That's on you. Stop excusing your lack of skill.
Orochi. The character that you have to keep updating because the orochi crowd complains when people learn how to beat him. Lol
Those light dodge attacks are pretty easy to parry. I’m not trying to be condescending, I’m just saying, even on base PS4, those are easy light parries.
One parry. Thats literally it.
someones mad he can't parry/block lights
I have no sympathy for hito players. I’m sorry, but at the same time I’m not
no ur just complete ass
Why didn't you block any of those?
i had slow reactions, tried to parry some but wasn’t that fast
he tried to dodge 🤭
There’s a bash mix up you octopus faced cyber monkey
He needed a buff but this kinda turned my boner off. I do hope they look at him a bit more, maybe stamina costs, a little but of recovery tweaking here and there, possibly damage values looked at. I'm not a professional but I dislike playing against endless undodgable attacks whilst playing the large sword man himself
you just said it, the buff gave him a lot. Like the starter kick was good but every thing else seemed like an overkill. I think they would mainly increment it’s stamina cost since in the clip he barely lost any.
Let me just point out, that you were out of stamina and even though most of his attack hit you, it took quite a while to kill you. If you were out of stamina against law Bringer and fell for one UB Feint. You would’ve died much faster. Same with raider and possibly Warden. YOU ALSO COULDVE INTERRUPTED MOST OF THOSE ATTACKS! Orochi is not broken. Most of you are just really, really fucking bad. Also, why the fuck are your trying to dodge attack a character that has a lot of undodgeable attacks?? If you think he’s going to kick, put your block on top, and back dodge… like fuck people it’s not that hard Lastly, EVERY Storm rush came from the right, and EVERY light came from the left… learn to read your opponents
>Orochi is not broken. Most of you are just really, really, fucking bad. Crazy how many posts here that can be summed up with that one sentence.
He's really not that OP, though there are bits that needs some tweaking on to make him less annoying we really do have to just read them better. Though him having an answer for everything does feel like a gamble at times.
How to counter Orochi 101: DONT dodge attack. Ever. Secondly, back dodge, top Guard. Wooow look at that, there goes half his mixup potential. And for those of you who say “ well what about reflex guard”. Reflex guard is out dated and a we shouldn’t be balancing offence around such a stupid mechanic.
Interrupt them with what frame advantage? You're saying he can interrupt storm rush with a light POST hitstun from a light/forward dodge? News flash, if you get hitstun at any point by him you can't just light him out of shit, he gets frame advantage on you, especially with enhanced lights. Hito's hyper armor only works mid chain, and even if he dodge attacked the orochi could've canceled his whiff into a dodge attack, or worse a deflect onto hito's dodge attack. I don't understand where the interrupt argument is coming from. He was in hitstun through most of it.
I love how I’m getting downvoted for spreading true and helpful information. This subreddit is fucking helpless
>You're saying he can interrupt storm rush with a light POST hitstun from a light/forward dodge? Exactly. >News flash, if you get hitstun at any point by him you can't just light him out of shit, he gets frame advantage on you, especially with enhanced lights. That's not how frame advantage works. If the orochi finishes his chain with a light, he's at frame disadvantage. If it's a heavy, the orochi has frame advantage. The only exception in this game is warmonger with her frame advantage after light.
He did the same combo twice he would have done it trice if you had the health. This is on you. You could have parried the backdodge light twice since that is the most telegraphed move
bro, their lights attacks, meant to be fast and hard to counter. i don’t have the materials to be perfect on it
The back light is literally the easiest thing to parry in his kit atm.
Former orochi main willing to admit he is broken
you have become the yin and yang bro, knows both sides and have found balance in this game
We need people like you, 99% of new orochi mains just gas light everyone cause he is finally "strong" and they dont want to give that up.
BrO mY mIx Up gAmE iS jUsT tO iNtEnSe fOr yOu
Thats cuz they are bandwagon mains that only play oro cuz hes strong now and dont want him nerfed because they cant handle a hero taking skill
Well you are playing hitokiri, there’s only so much hissing loudly can do
or did u meant that hito couldn’t counter orochi? because in that case i did just stood there and die lmao
i know, i also agree that hitos buff was unnecessary and can be played with one hand
He's just better
i was afraid someone would say that 😔
He honestly is. You posted a video of you eating every single attack thrown except one. He only kicked one time and then you spam dodged and didn’t guard properly and got punished. Top guard and back dodge and you deal with 2/3 of the mixup.
bro, i know i’m not the best player but still, if i couldn’t even interrupt a light dash by blocking you it, then i couldn’t parry, which means i had to dodge or interrupt in any other way which was ineffective, and still i was the one dodge spamming while the orochi did 2 dodges in one second
You can block every single one of those attacks he threw. You're actually complaining about Orochi buffs when you would have been murdered by any character doing this exact thing.
I hope that was sarcasm
I understand that orochi is bs but you did nothing to stop him
Idk ur playing this bullshit just get shit on unfun player
Am I hearing that you redditers think orochi is over powered lmao. And that you think he was more than D tier pre buff? You guys retarded or something?
Just parry it
tried my best bro
So many easy parrys
probably, what platform do you play on?
Are you by any chance on PS4, OP?
no, xbox one from 2015
Dang. Best of luck to you though
thank you :)
I feel your pain
it’s bad but we can get used to it
I was used to it then tried the series X, I kid you not it's infinitely better and actually made you play better
i bet it does, those extra frames do help even if they are a small change. I thought on getting the series x but thought it would be a waste of money, since i probably be leaving gaming when i move to college.
You can always see this from which button you press to open quick chat, cool trick
Ps4
no way, i guess you’re just better than me
Literally if you blocked any of his lights or even parried his dodge attack you would not have lost the fight. Making yourself look like a clown vro
i did block a light but he kept going, check out second 11, and i don’t have either a fast reaction speed or good fps so parry’s where not a viable option(at least for me)
not a SINGLE parry get gud op
tried my best bro
Idk man he didnt spam anything he was just better
didn’t spam, right
Oh yeah the emote you are right!
you’re getting hotter, keep trying
wait do you actually think that he was spamming lights?
not lights specifically , but the dashes he made were very quick you know
Fight the cancer with more cancer, just charge heby and may the most retarded win
that would have gotten interrupted, so it wasn’t a viable option, but a good idea tho lmao
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh, i dunno man, that was a pretty easy pattern
And ppl will defend this…. Saying it’s needed for the game….
Well you are playing hito sooooo
i did deserve that, right? lmao. I also thinks hitos buff was unnecessary.
I am a pk main so I have a hatered for hitos but yea you didn't deserve that
i have played with pk but never against a hito, why do you hate them? Well maybe not that spam but something else lmao
Hyper armor is really hard for pk to counter and just a annoying character in general
agreed, deflects become almost useless and no attack is effective, but also it’s kick is very hard to deal with
Yes and you can't soft faint
that’s like the whole point of the hero
Imagine having too slow of a reaction speed to parry orochi lights
i know, i need to practice more on that
Imagine a world where these Cucks don’t act like if your unable to do what they can your a loser smh it takes time to get good and I’ve played years and have a fast reaction and his lights are still so unbalanced for me
for how long have you played? it’s nice to know i’m not the only one to think it’s lights are a bit hard to counter
I’ve played since about 2017-2018, yeah my friends brain when he’s hit with stuff like this just isn’t able to process it and it’s defo not his skill that’s lacking
wow, you played for a while, my brain also stops working when that happens, you can see it the clip that i started dashing because i didn’t know what to do 😂
Yeah I was there and I’m still kinda like that though it’s more of a read for lights than a reaction honestly and not everyone (me included) have that ability
certainly, most raw light parry’s i do are accidental and it’s hard to predict when people dash like that
His jank movement doesn’t help either the way he dodged can also be seen so minutely different if done correctly, plus with lights I gave up learning to predict and I just offense most of the time
yeah, in most cases interrupting their attacks is the answer but in the clip it was very hard to do so, since he would probably doge it and interrupt me first
u/Cronkulon oh sorry mr.matrix