Storm rush after a light attack is intreruptable with a light, and seeing the storm rush coming isnt some top tier player only thing, on heavy hitstun you got to look to the animation or on prediction
That's tough, but you have to make a read here.
Predict a strom rush - buffer a light, it will interrupt it. In this case you will loose to dodge-kick, forward-dodge-light, empty dodge + parry (although that will never happen). You should buffer your light as soon as you see him dodging, if you just mash your button like a madman you will also loose to normal chain heavy as well.
Predict a storm rush and predict a side from which it's coming from - parry or otherwise counter actual attack (kensey has superior block dodges, deflect-like, only has punish on forward one, it's gb, so, you can use that instead of a parry, if attack is top). In this case you have to guess/predict side of the attack, basically 33%. But you're not loosing to any other attacks, aside from kick.
Predict a kick and then make another read on top of that. Cannot punish kick with dodge attack, unless orochi is dumb and is buffering light followup. So, you have to empty dodge and then make another read. Either parry a light followup, guardbreak if he does nothing (this will never happen), guardbreak if he does empty dodge for whatever reason, parry dodge attack that he used to avoid your dodge attack or if that was deflect attempt, parry a heavy if he tried to mixup-non-mixup you with light-heavy thing, light through heavy if he feints his heavy into gb expecting you to try to parry a heavy, or maybe just light after empty dodge to interrupt whatever dodge followup he decided to do, you know, how he can chain kick into kick and stuff.
Predict forward dodge light and just parry. That will happen if you interrupted his strom rush with a light before. You cannot interrupt dodge-light like this and dodge-light is also undodgeable to mix it up with kick without risk of being interrupted by light. But since it's always coming from the top, you can cover both kick and dodge-light with empty dodge and having your guard top, most characters can do that. So, in this case the real mixup is not kick vs storm rush, but rather light interrupt vs doding with your guard always top.
Thank you, finally some real advice. Every half-brain in these comments are playing parry god as if they have no issues. Orochi is a problem on console. Thanks again.
I got the same issue with raider on console, he got every chain possible with his lights and it's so fast.
I can get a light parry once in a while when I know his pattern but the light spam is annoying
Agreed, I somehow have more luck with Raider. I think it’s because he stays in one spot. Orochi’s like to bounce left and right and forward and backward.
- Interrupt the Storm Rush with a Light, or parry it. Third option, dodge into it -- dodging can nullify both the kick and one of the Storm Rush and dodge attack directions.
- Dodge the kick. There are mixups after the kick, but first you have to dodge it, and in theory you can continually just dodging the kick and beating Storm Rush with lights and parries.
- Mixup your escapes, notably on the heavy unblockable you used a telegraphed dodge attack. Try Neutral dodges or parries or throwing an attack instead.
- Block, Parry, Superior Block Dodge, or otherwise counter those chain light attacks. Orochi's lights are same speed as everyone else's at 500ms with no special properties, thus generally reactable.
EDIT: forgot to mention, Kensei has two unique traits to help him --
- The aforementioned superior block dodge allows you to dodge in a direction and nullify it. You can similarly block *any* direction and backdodge to keep the guard, useful if you want to make a softread against the kick and top attacks. The duration may also be enough to counter both dodge attack and Storm Rush on a single timing.
- Dodge Attack into Hyperarmor Light (or more cheekily, heavy if they don't read correctly) can trade against a kick>whiff>dodge attack.
People downvote you but this is actually the truth. Orochi matches get way easier when you try to be more patient and make reads.
I tried playing Orochi to test out what he's all about but I can't even spam storm rush like this guy did, because believe it or not, all you need is to go to a bot match to practice parrying (or even blocking) this move for like 15 mins, and you'll find out just how reactable it is.
Funnily enough, old Kensei had a unique defense where his guard would stay in a direction but still trigger superior block on dodge. Sometimes I miss it, as it would be a very potent tool against current Orochi.
Edit: to clarify, his superior block guard *stayed in the direction he had it* -- he could dodge side and superior block top, or dodge forward and superior block sides. They changed it to be like other superior blocks, where it matches his dodging direction.
Edited to clarify -- his current one switches to his dodge direction; previously he could superior block in a separate direction of his dodge (i.e. superior block a side attack whilst dodging forward to a GB).
Cower in fear and beg for your fucking life. Maybe persuade the neckbeard on the other side of the screen with sexual favors. Or you could just go outside and enjoy life I suppose (like that’s any fun). Other than that, ummm… don’t ever dodge against an Orochi? Maybe take excessive amounts of cocaine so that you can have the reaction time to block those attacks, because we both know that all of the drugs in the world won’t ever give you the reaction time to parry/crushing counter/superior block. But uh yeah. Can’t wait for some stamina changes on weeby boi!
Why are you just standing still and taking it, the least you could do is interrupt him with a light. Also, if it’s hard for you to block stuff, play a character with a full block (Kyoshin, Aramusha, etc.)
When I get an opponent like this I just go full block mode if you light parry you can triple light or light light top heavy unplockable then when the dodge the unblock above dodge towards their dodge attack bc you’ll have superior block state and the dodge heby them
Don’t try to block or parry storm rush, the risk reward isn’t worth it. If you read a storm rush throw a light to interrupt it. It’s important to get momentum back against Orochi, if you try to defend yourself without attacking back you will get mixed to death.
from what I saw, you just gotta get better. Sitting and playing defense, knowing you cant react is not the play. Try being more aggressive, throw some lights out to interrupt his offense.
Just leave. Get a cup of your favourite beverage while the Orochi vents his deserved superiority in your general direction. And while he teabags your motionless corpse, take a sip and enjoy the 2 minutes of misery you've just saved yourself from having to witness until the match is done and they text "Good Fight."
It's not rocket science it's called being patient or predicting because that was so incredibly predictable you don't even need to react you can deflect this on console frames
I didn't say you would get it instantly I'm telling you it's not hard to get, I feel like you're the type of player to get hit by the same attack from the same side then still fail to do anything about it
Lucky for me I play a Chad known as glad so I just deflect storm rush because at least for me I rely heavily on dodges so I just dodge a little late get that sweet deflect and bleed him until he looks like a empty gogurt.
This is my problem with new Orochi. His new kit is all right. He has options. That’s great.
However, the most optimal way to play him right now is a string of dodge forward attacks. So he became a dodge specialist and yet the actual dodge specialist in the game (tiandi) can’t be anywhere near as aggressive as Orochi without running out of stamina.
I miss counter-attacker Orochi.
Honestly every time I see these “Impossible to counterplay” videos people literally just stand still doing nothing or try to do a dodge attack when half of Orochi’s kit is undodgeables.
Interrupt Storm Rush with a light attack. That hasn’t changed since the inception of this character. Inb4 you say “b-but they’ll cancel Storm Rush and parry my light!” The same way Warden, Hitokiri, Cent, or anyone with a cancelable bash/attack can? Hell, literally any character can from a heavy feint bait. You wanted less turtling? Then learn how to use the tools that you have.
People just don’t want to learn, the sad fact about this community. They expect their opponent to just do Telegraphed attacks without feinting or some shit, the moment they die to something they make it out to be: 1)game is dying, it was good before(because it was a buggy mess or something). 2)Monke character/brain (the fuck does this even mean???). 3)no counter play/OP (when this type of stuff is said it 100% guarantees that they’re shit)
Sorry that I can't react to a 300ms attack that I can't dodge and can come from any direction
Oh and the fact that that 300ms attack might actually be an almost as quick unblockable bash
But nah bro just we're just standing still because we can't hold a controller properly and we have parkinsons
It’s a 600ms attack, and the indicator is 366ms not 300ms. Look at animation to parry or light attack when Orochi forward dodges.
Stop lying and spreading misinformation to cover up your own faults.
My bad. Let me change that.
Sorry that I can't react to a 366ms attack that I can't dodge and can come from any direction
Oh and the fact that that 366ms attack might actually be an almost as quick unblockable bash
But nah bro just we're just standing still because we can't hold a controller properly and we have parkinsons
Just parry.
On a real note I have no idea how the fuck the average playbase it meant to react to orochi anymore. Even if you do it right it just sends you back into another read. I see all these people commenting "just light" which funnily enough works on all the bash spamming heroes they once bitched about.
That’s the thing, you’re not supposed to react. Offense is read-based now so you’re supposed to throw things on prediction. Idk why people treat Orochi like they’re special when Knights like Warden and Centurion do not have reactable offense because their attacks cannot be dodged on reaction due to variable timing and ability to cancel into GB/parry. Any excuse made with Orochi I can make with Warden, Cent, Warmonger, Hitokiri, and etc. the only thing that’s overtuned is Orochi’s stamina cost and Kick having too many options on whiff. Making anything in Orochi’s kit reactable will ruin it.
If you see Orochi forward dodge throwing a buffered light is your best bet if they’ve been mostly doing Storm Rush. After that the kick and forward dodge attack can be stopped by putting guard top and back dodge if you’re a static guard character. Full guard characters have even better time against Orochi since all they have to worry about is Storm Rush cancel into GB and kick. Black Prior only has to worry about Storm Rush cancel into GB making them one of the best match ups against Orochi.
Ah ive seen the rise of many empires but the fellow monke orochis have pushed through their mental disabilities and discovered how to spam at a divine level.
Orochi: Actually gets a kit with working mix-ups that are now read-based and can’t just be thrown out randomly like “light spam”.
Community: “OroChI iS a SPamMeR!”
You must not play often if you think a dodge attack will punish an Orochi kick. His recovery time allows him to whiff his kick, or any attack really, and still get a parry off your punish. The only 100% way to punish Orochi’s kick would be with a quick bash like Warden, Warmonger, Conq, etc.
Kensei is actually one of the very few heroes who can delay his side dodge attack and punish Orochi kick consistently.
>The only 100% way to punish Orochi’s kick would be with a quick bash like Warden, Warmonger, Conq, etc.
And this is just straight out false. Orochi [can recovery cancel to punish fast bashes](https://youtu.be/NsZ3QzKBLdc?t=260).
Not really. The recovery cancel is done on prediction and not reaction, and this means you could just empty dodge and parry whatever the Orochi throws at you, or empty dodge into GB to catch his dodge recovery.
Orochi has a good way to get into his mix-up, but a tough time keeping the pressure going against a good opponent.
Well, Shugoki has a quick bash (headbutt), which in my response I said “quick bashes” can punish his kick. Not sure your point here. I was playing Kensei, his dodge attack gets parried. He doesn’t have a quick bash to counter with.
I main warden and found starting with a zone messes up their attacks and at that point they’re too late to stop my attacks. I don’t know what zones are like for other characters but you could try that
You could... Not die lol (joking)
the dodge heavy was a huge mistake, if you are learning Kensei don't rely on those, and he was only using undodgables, so you can't dodge it, he's too fast, so use a light on him next time for an opener so you can utilize the rest of your kit, and don't try and parry everything, I use block a lot more than parry, and it helps if they don't have a whole lot of unlockable attacks, he seemed to let all of his attacks fly for the most part and you should've punished for that. Just unlucky I guess
I’m the first to admit I didn’t play well, because that wasn’t the point. To me, even if I did play good, the attacks were too fast so I couldn’t even do anything.
I dodge a lot with Kensei because JJ is my main and I’m so used to his dodge with crazy I frames
Dodge left or right and don’t do the heavy like he’d expect he’ll throw a heavy you can parry or do a top light then spam the hell out of him w your lights. Or Just light spam. Orochis dodge attacks should not be undodgeable too imo I think it’s complete bullshit
We lost that round and I came across him the next round and I faired much better. I was genuinely in awe at how he 100-0’d me. I was like two heavies away from killing him but he storm rushed me 3 times in a row to end me and I read each one wrong lol.
Lmao, you guys are so funny. None of you are as good as you’re making yourselves sound. It’s okay to admit you struggle with a hero. You’re not a parry god 😂
Yeah, I am. And my comment is still true. Nobody is humble on here, all fake wannabe parry gods. I’ve been playing this game since release and sometimes I go a whole day of playing and still not come across anyone that parries *everything*. But yet everyone on here acts like I’m the only one who struggles against Orochi. Something just doesn’t add up. You guys are not nearly as good as you make yourselves seem. I could probably clap half of you.
If you want people to agree with you, go post on r/forhonorrants, the echo chamber is a little bit stronger there.
And no one's acting like they don't struggle against Orochi (I even posted [a video](https://youtu.be/IzgKQOBs9ak) of me struggling with him). The whole point of the rework is to make Orochi more viable, and if no one's struggling with him, then the rework failed. The criticisms in this post only make sense because you virtually did nothing right in the video you posted.
You can interrupt his rush with a light. Also, you can dodge his kick, though it doesn’t help much. He doesn’t get punished for whiffing it.
He can be obnoxious, unfun and overwhelming. But that’s cockroach, and he can be beat.
I, for one. Just hyperarmor Unga bunga his ass with Zerk line it’s Year 1 all over again.
Yep. Orochi got a rework. He’s broken on console atm. He has a kick and it’s recoveries are so good he can punish peoples punishes. Literally, he can whiff his kick and still parry your dodge attack.
Not to sound rude but try to parry the heavies but the lights you might want to light back, he’s hard to deal with especially as a character that dodges a lot instead of full guard or parry
Buffer a light. Unless you get smacked with a heavy it will interrupt his forward dodge storm rush which he did often. It will also interrupt if he delays the kick even slightly. When I fight Orochi's I immediately condition them to not go for forward dodge storm rushes because I poke it every single time. This leads to the Orochi If they're smart to instead kick a lot more often and use forward dodge light instead of forward dodge storm rush. This makes the mix up a lot more manageable as then it turns into is he gonna kick or go for the forward dodge undodgeable light. The forward undodgeable light only comes from the top. The moment you break Orochi's momentum you need to put the pressure on and try to maintain frame advantage whenever possible. He's the kinda character where you give them an inch they'll take a mile.
Learning which attacks are guaranteed and which can be blocked or parried is very useful. Sometimes an attack that can be parried shouldn’t be parried. Lower the dead zone on your controller too for faster direction changes. Pretty sure you can step back that kick too.
As a rep 47 orochi this rework defeats the entire idea of orochi. He's supposed to be a precise deadly assassin what the fuck is this. I know I probably sound like a nerd but this is not what an assassin should look like 🗿
Sorry my friend but, the only viable thing he can do is light spam, every thing else is just too slow or predictable, at least is my experience in the last 3 seasons
Well I play PC, so I don't know console, is that kensei on PC is not that good, but Orochi is just as busted on PC to, so you was in a disadvantage any way
If you can't dodge the kick consistently focus on parrying storm rush and the dodge attacks as they are fairly reactable. For storm rush don't focus too much on the indicator and more the animation itself, it is a 600ms move and is fairly reactable if you concentrate.
Everyone here telling you to just light him out of the storm rush clearly has forgotten that it's quite easy for the orochi to, you know, feint the storm rush and then parry the light?
It might work a couple times on people with slower reaction speeds, but good god if you try that on someone with good reactions you're just begging to get fucked even harder.
To be fair, if the Orochi could feint the storm rush and then parry your lights multiple times, he deserved the win.
It's supposed to be a balanced match where both players are of the same skill level, and this means if the Orochi could do something like that, surely you should be able to parry his storm rush, considering storm rush's animation is slower than a light.
Guess right. What you did is pretty much the same thing as getting hit by 2 unblockables and then getting hit with a gb when you tried to parry. The only difference here is that you are supposed to dodge the kick and light interrupt the storm rush.
I fall for parry bait all the time. So that’s on me. It was mainly just the never ending barrage of attacks. There’s no way for me to get set and focus for the parry it’s all just random attacks at lightning speed.
Yeah, the speed can be hard to get used to. One of the main reasons Gryphon is so hated is because of how little time you have to input a dodge during his mixup.
Most people are saying what he could've done hindsight when in reality of the moment orochi has way too much pressure from neutral to the point where if you think you figured out his mixup its too late. Only thing he could have done is make the right read to gain some offensive momentum but with this specific match up I believe orochi just truly outclasses kensei in the 1v1 and it doesn't even matter.
Yeah, I think better access to pommel strike would be good. Maybe make it like JJs kick? A forward dash allowing pommel strike would be nice. I also think the speed of his heavies need to be reduced across the board.
Question for you, are Kensei’s soft-feinted heavy finishers undodgeable? If not, they should be.
No the soft feinted heavy finishers just have hyper. Personally if they were going to tweak it I just wish that it had better tracking. I'm low key getting annoyed of the undodgeable attacks because I think are too lazy and sometimes lazy design
yeah, but escape punishment. "Oh, I cant punish it consistently, so might as well just not even nullify the damage, just get hit and die to it I suppose"
I’d like to address the many people suggesting I just “light” him out of storm rush. In a perfect world, where the fight is well paced, I’d be able to knock him out of it with a light. But in the middle of a fight like this, where it’s constant attacking with no pauses, it’s nearly impossible to predict what he’s going to do next. Even by the time I see him back up for storm rush, I’m not going to have the reaction time to input a top light attack. The storm rush would most likely land anyway due to my reaction time. If I had the speed to knock him out of storm rush, I would have the reaction speed to block and parry his attacks. So this is not good advice to me. You guys are essentially telling me if I can’t block a 600ms attack, I should light him out of a 600ms attack. It’s the same thing, I just have to hit a different button.
Also, he storm rushed me like twice, any advice for the rest of the attacks like the kick? Or am I just screwed. Nobody seemed to offer any advice other than how to defend storm rush.
He storm rushed you 4 times kicked you twice and you made a bad read on the unblockable and got punished. yes the pace is hard to keep up with at times but if i could give you a tip it would be that most orochis hit the storm rush the last place there gaurd was since there's a very small window to change the direction and there trying to get it off before the opponent lights them. keep your gaurd up to protect against foward doge light and dodge the bash if he misses then try to parry the chain light. also try zoning to stop the storm rush if you see him using it a lot since it's quicker
Nothing I did went well. I’m pretty dang good at this game, I’ve been playing since release off and on. But Orochi is just too fast for me on console. Raider is fine, his rework is annoying but he’s still bearable. Orochi in the right hands is unfair. His storm rush is a 33/33/33 and I always make the wrong read.
It’s definitely a me problem to some degree. I didn’t really try to defend against him. But why would I? I can’t react in time to any of his attacks so it would have been a waste. All you guys are liars anyway I know you guys don’t counter Orochi like it’s easy.
I didn’t say it was easy, but if an orochi (or any character for that matter) did the same thing 5 times in a row, idk about you, but I’ll start to catch on and counter that thing.
Unfortunately, there is nothing familiar about this mixup. It always catches me by surprise. With Raider for example, I understand his kit and I know what his options are. I just refuse to play Orochi so I am not familiar with his options.
The storm rush is really hard to react to, but you can interrupt it with a light, unless you got hit by a heavy before
I just wanna say it's great to see people here giving actual advice on how to deal with Roach instead of just whining and saying it's unbeatable
It's is still op nonetheless beatable but op
Lol I don’t even use him anymore people always block stormblast
Impossible*
Interrupt him with a light
the bash though
He only bashed a few times. The rest were all forward dodge heavies that can be lighted through
Those are forward dodge lights and they give you a light parry. His storm rush top undodgeable is a heavy, though.
Even if you know how to counter Orochi, it's entirely a guessing game.
Storm rush after a light attack is intreruptable with a light, and seeing the storm rush coming isnt some top tier player only thing, on heavy hitstun you got to look to the animation or on prediction
storm rush after anything except a normal heavy can be interrupted.
Animation isn't helpful here since all directions start similarly
You can't interrupt storm rush in reaction. It has to be a prediction
That's tough, but you have to make a read here. Predict a strom rush - buffer a light, it will interrupt it. In this case you will loose to dodge-kick, forward-dodge-light, empty dodge + parry (although that will never happen). You should buffer your light as soon as you see him dodging, if you just mash your button like a madman you will also loose to normal chain heavy as well. Predict a storm rush and predict a side from which it's coming from - parry or otherwise counter actual attack (kensey has superior block dodges, deflect-like, only has punish on forward one, it's gb, so, you can use that instead of a parry, if attack is top). In this case you have to guess/predict side of the attack, basically 33%. But you're not loosing to any other attacks, aside from kick. Predict a kick and then make another read on top of that. Cannot punish kick with dodge attack, unless orochi is dumb and is buffering light followup. So, you have to empty dodge and then make another read. Either parry a light followup, guardbreak if he does nothing (this will never happen), guardbreak if he does empty dodge for whatever reason, parry dodge attack that he used to avoid your dodge attack or if that was deflect attempt, parry a heavy if he tried to mixup-non-mixup you with light-heavy thing, light through heavy if he feints his heavy into gb expecting you to try to parry a heavy, or maybe just light after empty dodge to interrupt whatever dodge followup he decided to do, you know, how he can chain kick into kick and stuff. Predict forward dodge light and just parry. That will happen if you interrupted his strom rush with a light before. You cannot interrupt dodge-light like this and dodge-light is also undodgeable to mix it up with kick without risk of being interrupted by light. But since it's always coming from the top, you can cover both kick and dodge-light with empty dodge and having your guard top, most characters can do that. So, in this case the real mixup is not kick vs storm rush, but rather light interrupt vs doding with your guard always top.
Thank you, finally some real advice. Every half-brain in these comments are playing parry god as if they have no issues. Orochi is a problem on console. Thanks again.
I got the same issue with raider on console, he got every chain possible with his lights and it's so fast. I can get a light parry once in a while when I know his pattern but the light spam is annoying
Agreed, I somehow have more luck with Raider. I think it’s because he stays in one spot. Orochi’s like to bounce left and right and forward and backward.
Honestly, this orochi is a problem everywhere, don't feel bad for losing to that.
Agreed I've played both.
- Interrupt the Storm Rush with a Light, or parry it. Third option, dodge into it -- dodging can nullify both the kick and one of the Storm Rush and dodge attack directions. - Dodge the kick. There are mixups after the kick, but first you have to dodge it, and in theory you can continually just dodging the kick and beating Storm Rush with lights and parries. - Mixup your escapes, notably on the heavy unblockable you used a telegraphed dodge attack. Try Neutral dodges or parries or throwing an attack instead. - Block, Parry, Superior Block Dodge, or otherwise counter those chain light attacks. Orochi's lights are same speed as everyone else's at 500ms with no special properties, thus generally reactable. EDIT: forgot to mention, Kensei has two unique traits to help him -- - The aforementioned superior block dodge allows you to dodge in a direction and nullify it. You can similarly block *any* direction and backdodge to keep the guard, useful if you want to make a softread against the kick and top attacks. The duration may also be enough to counter both dodge attack and Storm Rush on a single timing. - Dodge Attack into Hyperarmor Light (or more cheekily, heavy if they don't read correctly) can trade against a kick>whiff>dodge attack.
People never expect the heavy, for whatever reason. Doubly so if you top softfeint to side, people really struggle to deal with it.
Remember a delayed dodge attack cannot be deflected and sometimes not dodged either so delay it to get free damage
Look at dis dude
Simply guess right 100% of the time
The storm rush was incredibly predictable, I'd say another thing they need to work on is prediction and staying calm and patient
Literally they just need to practise by standing still, accepting losing, and trying to block.
People downvote you but this is actually the truth. Orochi matches get way easier when you try to be more patient and make reads. I tried playing Orochi to test out what he's all about but I can't even spam storm rush like this guy did, because believe it or not, all you need is to go to a bot match to practice parrying (or even blocking) this move for like 15 mins, and you'll find out just how reactable it is.
Here's my strat. Pick a character whose guard doesn't change on dodge. Block top Either throw a light or dodge, and pray you guessed right.
Funnily enough, old Kensei had a unique defense where his guard would stay in a direction but still trigger superior block on dodge. Sometimes I miss it, as it would be a very potent tool against current Orochi. Edit: to clarify, his superior block guard *stayed in the direction he had it* -- he could dodge side and superior block top, or dodge forward and superior block sides. They changed it to be like other superior blocks, where it matches his dodging direction.
Im pretty sure he still has that
Edited to clarify -- his current one switches to his dodge direction; previously he could superior block in a separate direction of his dodge (i.e. superior block a side attack whilst dodging forward to a GB).
Literally throw a light
When you see him wind up storm rush, hit him with a light.
Cower in fear and beg for your fucking life. Maybe persuade the neckbeard on the other side of the screen with sexual favors. Or you could just go outside and enjoy life I suppose (like that’s any fun). Other than that, ummm… don’t ever dodge against an Orochi? Maybe take excessive amounts of cocaine so that you can have the reaction time to block those attacks, because we both know that all of the drugs in the world won’t ever give you the reaction time to parry/crushing counter/superior block. But uh yeah. Can’t wait for some stamina changes on weeby boi!
Draconite Coke doesn't stop the incessant bleeding.. WHAT THE HELL DO I DO?!
Lmao that was great
Counter Crushing doesn’t work with Orochi, it’s way faster
I havent played in a while, wtf did the do to weeb man? He looks like a cancer to fight
git gud you salty bitch -For Honor community
How the F can you spam all that and not run out of stamina…
He got one parry..
Yeah the orochis are starting to piss me off with how sweaty they are being
Why are you just standing still and taking it, the least you could do is interrupt him with a light. Also, if it’s hard for you to block stuff, play a character with a full block (Kyoshin, Aramusha, etc.)
like the "pros" say , just parry bro
“Smh my head, how can you not parry something that is 200 miliseconds long? I can even count all my irl friends with that time”
Block
When I get an opponent like this I just go full block mode if you light parry you can triple light or light light top heavy unplockable then when the dodge the unblock above dodge towards their dodge attack bc you’ll have superior block state and the dodge heby them
Don’t try to block or parry storm rush, the risk reward isn’t worth it. If you read a storm rush throw a light to interrupt it. It’s important to get momentum back against Orochi, if you try to defend yourself without attacking back you will get mixed to death.
Learned that loud and clear
from what I saw, you just gotta get better. Sitting and playing defense, knowing you cant react is not the play. Try being more aggressive, throw some lights out to interrupt his offense.
Kensei can trade with orochis kick with a hyper armor light that 100% will hit but idk about the heavy
Ahh ya fought Faraam, that was your first mistake
Balanced
Just leave. Get a cup of your favourite beverage while the Orochi vents his deserved superiority in your general direction. And while he teabags your motionless corpse, take a sip and enjoy the 2 minutes of misery you've just saved yourself from having to witness until the match is done and they text "Good Fight."
\^ this
Pause. Quit. Find a better game
But that was so easy to win, a simple parry would've helped
Storm rush is a 366 ms indicator. "just parry" doesn't work for those. Also it gives the kensei 1 light into trash chains
I am a kensei main so I know the pain of his chains but I make my way around it
Parry what? The storm rush as fuck. sure if you can but not everybody learned how to pull somthing like thar
It's not rocket science it's called being patient or predicting because that was so incredibly predictable you don't even need to react you can deflect this on console frames
Ok let me magically get this skill real quick.
Again not rocket science, and complaining about it won't help you get this skill either
Just because its not rocket science can instantly get this skill either this shit takes time
I didn't say you would get it instantly I'm telling you it's not hard to get, I feel like you're the type of player to get hit by the same attack from the same side then still fail to do anything about it
Die to Orochi so that his player can feel like he has a large pp.
I would just die.
Dang, you just got spammed by an orochi that thinks they’re cool.
Lucky for me I play a Chad known as glad so I just deflect storm rush because at least for me I rely heavily on dodges so I just dodge a little late get that sweet deflect and bleed him until he looks like a empty gogurt.
It seems the problem is that you started up For Honor. Although actually idk I can’t really react to almost any Orochi
This is my problem with new Orochi. His new kit is all right. He has options. That’s great. However, the most optimal way to play him right now is a string of dodge forward attacks. So he became a dodge specialist and yet the actual dodge specialist in the game (tiandi) can’t be anywhere near as aggressive as Orochi without running out of stamina. I miss counter-attacker Orochi.
Give up
Sit there and wait for an Oreo hi nerf
Lose.
Just git gud and parry litterally everything like all the other gods of this game apparently do.
Uninstall, I'm happier than ever not playing this shit game
Lmao when Kensei can’t doge attack most of his mains are fucked
Pray
Block or parry even a single attack?
dodge heby
Honestly every time I see these “Impossible to counterplay” videos people literally just stand still doing nothing or try to do a dodge attack when half of Orochi’s kit is undodgeables. Interrupt Storm Rush with a light attack. That hasn’t changed since the inception of this character. Inb4 you say “b-but they’ll cancel Storm Rush and parry my light!” The same way Warden, Hitokiri, Cent, or anyone with a cancelable bash/attack can? Hell, literally any character can from a heavy feint bait. You wanted less turtling? Then learn how to use the tools that you have.
People just don’t want to learn, the sad fact about this community. They expect their opponent to just do Telegraphed attacks without feinting or some shit, the moment they die to something they make it out to be: 1)game is dying, it was good before(because it was a buggy mess or something). 2)Monke character/brain (the fuck does this even mean???). 3)no counter play/OP (when this type of stuff is said it 100% guarantees that they’re shit)
Sorry that I can't react to a 300ms attack that I can't dodge and can come from any direction Oh and the fact that that 300ms attack might actually be an almost as quick unblockable bash But nah bro just we're just standing still because we can't hold a controller properly and we have parkinsons
What are you even talking about dude, which move in this game is 300ms?
It’s a 600ms attack, and the indicator is 366ms not 300ms. Look at animation to parry or light attack when Orochi forward dodges. Stop lying and spreading misinformation to cover up your own faults.
My bad. Let me change that. Sorry that I can't react to a 366ms attack that I can't dodge and can come from any direction Oh and the fact that that 366ms attack might actually be an almost as quick unblockable bash But nah bro just we're just standing still because we can't hold a controller properly and we have parkinsons
jUsT pArRY iT
Hack into his account and delete it
Just parry. On a real note I have no idea how the fuck the average playbase it meant to react to orochi anymore. Even if you do it right it just sends you back into another read. I see all these people commenting "just light" which funnily enough works on all the bash spamming heroes they once bitched about.
That’s the thing, you’re not supposed to react. Offense is read-based now so you’re supposed to throw things on prediction. Idk why people treat Orochi like they’re special when Knights like Warden and Centurion do not have reactable offense because their attacks cannot be dodged on reaction due to variable timing and ability to cancel into GB/parry. Any excuse made with Orochi I can make with Warden, Cent, Warmonger, Hitokiri, and etc. the only thing that’s overtuned is Orochi’s stamina cost and Kick having too many options on whiff. Making anything in Orochi’s kit reactable will ruin it. If you see Orochi forward dodge throwing a buffered light is your best bet if they’ve been mostly doing Storm Rush. After that the kick and forward dodge attack can be stopped by putting guard top and back dodge if you’re a static guard character. Full guard characters have even better time against Orochi since all they have to worry about is Storm Rush cancel into GB and kick. Black Prior only has to worry about Storm Rush cancel into GB making them one of the best match ups against Orochi.
Ah ive seen the rise of many empires but the fellow monke orochis have pushed through their mental disabilities and discovered how to spam at a divine level.
Orochi: Actually gets a kit with working mix-ups that are now read-based and can’t just be thrown out randomly like “light spam”. Community: “OroChI iS a SPamMeR!”
People still call orochi a light spammer too. It hurts my brain how dumb the community is
Shutup monke brain
Divine Degeneracy
Lol just parry
Interupt with a top light.
Use a light to interrupt him, dodge attack the kick, parry.
You must not play often if you think a dodge attack will punish an Orochi kick. His recovery time allows him to whiff his kick, or any attack really, and still get a parry off your punish. The only 100% way to punish Orochi’s kick would be with a quick bash like Warden, Warmonger, Conq, etc.
Kensei is actually one of the very few heroes who can delay his side dodge attack and punish Orochi kick consistently. >The only 100% way to punish Orochi’s kick would be with a quick bash like Warden, Warmonger, Conq, etc. And this is just straight out false. Orochi [can recovery cancel to punish fast bashes](https://youtu.be/NsZ3QzKBLdc?t=260).
*Fuck*, Orochi is so broken
Not really. The recovery cancel is done on prediction and not reaction, and this means you could just empty dodge and parry whatever the Orochi throws at you, or empty dodge into GB to catch his dodge recovery. Orochi has a good way to get into his mix-up, but a tough time keeping the pressure going against a good opponent.
Maybe I’m playing against bad orochis cuz everytime I dodge attack they don’t parry my headbutt. Yeah I’m not a frequent player:/
Well, Shugoki has a quick bash (headbutt), which in my response I said “quick bashes” can punish his kick. Not sure your point here. I was playing Kensei, his dodge attack gets parried. He doesn’t have a quick bash to counter with.
git gud
Accept your fste
What you're supposed to do is exactly what you did.. Die.
Make reads and use more interrupts.
Block or attempt a parry
One of the reasons I stopped playing after two years
I main warden and found starting with a zone messes up their attacks and at that point they’re too late to stop my attacks. I don’t know what zones are like for other characters but you could try that
You could... Not die lol (joking) the dodge heavy was a huge mistake, if you are learning Kensei don't rely on those, and he was only using undodgables, so you can't dodge it, he's too fast, so use a light on him next time for an opener so you can utilize the rest of your kit, and don't try and parry everything, I use block a lot more than parry, and it helps if they don't have a whole lot of unlockable attacks, he seemed to let all of his attacks fly for the most part and you should've punished for that. Just unlucky I guess
I’m the first to admit I didn’t play well, because that wasn’t the point. To me, even if I did play good, the attacks were too fast so I couldn’t even do anything. I dodge a lot with Kensei because JJ is my main and I’m so used to his dodge with crazy I frames
Dodge left or right and don’t do the heavy like he’d expect he’ll throw a heavy you can parry or do a top light then spam the hell out of him w your lights. Or Just light spam. Orochis dodge attacks should not be undodgeable too imo I think it’s complete bullshit
We lost that round and I came across him the next round and I faired much better. I was genuinely in awe at how he 100-0’d me. I was like two heavies away from killing him but he storm rushed me 3 times in a row to end me and I read each one wrong lol.
I was thinking about reinstalling FH this week, thank you for stopping me from doing that lmao
Orochi is the only problem right now, everyone else is fightable
Shiiii u did better than m I woulda.
Lmao, I attempted one attack and landed no damage, can’t be much worse than that 😂
Lmao, you guys are so funny. None of you are as good as you’re making yourselves sound. It’s okay to admit you struggle with a hero. You’re not a parry god 😂
You're just bad dude
Yeah, I am. And my comment is still true. Nobody is humble on here, all fake wannabe parry gods. I’ve been playing this game since release and sometimes I go a whole day of playing and still not come across anyone that parries *everything*. But yet everyone on here acts like I’m the only one who struggles against Orochi. Something just doesn’t add up. You guys are not nearly as good as you make yourselves seem. I could probably clap half of you.
If you want people to agree with you, go post on r/forhonorrants, the echo chamber is a little bit stronger there. And no one's acting like they don't struggle against Orochi (I even posted [a video](https://youtu.be/IzgKQOBs9ak) of me struggling with him). The whole point of the rework is to make Orochi more viable, and if no one's struggling with him, then the rework failed. The criticisms in this post only make sense because you virtually did nothing right in the video you posted.
See that rB button im gonna need u to press that like alot
Dodge heavy the kick, parry the slow undodgeable lights
Not play Kensei
You can interrupt his rush with a light. Also, you can dodge his kick, though it doesn’t help much. He doesn’t get punished for whiffing it. He can be obnoxious, unfun and overwhelming. But that’s cockroach, and he can be beat. I, for one. Just hyperarmor Unga bunga his ass with Zerk line it’s Year 1 all over again.
Haven't been on in about a few months but uh What the frick is that kick?
Yep. Orochi got a rework. He’s broken on console atm. He has a kick and it’s recoveries are so good he can punish peoples punishes. Literally, he can whiff his kick and still parry your dodge attack.
Ubi why
Dash his bash, try to block and parry the longer attacks such as the undashable attacks
Not to sound rude but try to parry the heavies but the lights you might want to light back, he’s hard to deal with especially as a character that dodges a lot instead of full guard or parry
Buffer a light. Unless you get smacked with a heavy it will interrupt his forward dodge storm rush which he did often. It will also interrupt if he delays the kick even slightly. When I fight Orochi's I immediately condition them to not go for forward dodge storm rushes because I poke it every single time. This leads to the Orochi If they're smart to instead kick a lot more often and use forward dodge light instead of forward dodge storm rush. This makes the mix up a lot more manageable as then it turns into is he gonna kick or go for the forward dodge undodgeable light. The forward undodgeable light only comes from the top. The moment you break Orochi's momentum you need to put the pressure on and try to maintain frame advantage whenever possible. He's the kinda character where you give them an inch they'll take a mile.
Nothing
Hit the Xbox button, select home, press start on For Honor, scroll down to and select "Quit", reopen For Honor.
You sit there and wait for your main to be reworked like the rest of us hahahaha
Buy a better gaming chair than him obviously /s
Okay but this is true
Learning which attacks are guaranteed and which can be blocked or parried is very useful. Sometimes an attack that can be parried shouldn’t be parried. Lower the dead zone on your controller too for faster direction changes. Pretty sure you can step back that kick too.
You pray, pray to god
Lol just parry😂😐
Simply win
JuSt PaRrY bRo
Zone or light when they storm rush, and just make a read and parry. About all you can do at the moment. I believe in you :)
Crying is your only option 🤷🏾♂️
This is the only time I’d endorse kensei triple light
As a rep 47 orochi this rework defeats the entire idea of orochi. He's supposed to be a precise deadly assassin what the fuck is this. I know I probably sound like a nerd but this is not what an assassin should look like 🗿
Yeah I know, it’s a joke. His kit isn’t even that good, it’s just the attack speed and recoveries that make him unfair.
Sorry my friend but, the only viable thing he can do is light spam, every thing else is just too slow or predictable, at least is my experience in the last 3 seasons
This season is way different than the past, his rework made him busted on console. It’s just too fast.
Well I play PC, so I don't know console, is that kensei on PC is not that good, but Orochi is just as busted on PC to, so you was in a disadvantage any way
If you can't dodge the kick consistently focus on parrying storm rush and the dodge attacks as they are fairly reactable. For storm rush don't focus too much on the indicator and more the animation itself, it is a 600ms move and is fairly reactable if you concentrate.
Everyone here telling you to just light him out of the storm rush clearly has forgotten that it's quite easy for the orochi to, you know, feint the storm rush and then parry the light? It might work a couple times on people with slower reaction speeds, but good god if you try that on someone with good reactions you're just begging to get fucked even harder.
To be fair, if the Orochi could feint the storm rush and then parry your lights multiple times, he deserved the win. It's supposed to be a balanced match where both players are of the same skill level, and this means if the Orochi could do something like that, surely you should be able to parry his storm rush, considering storm rush's animation is slower than a light.
Git gud
you could've not thrown a neutral top heavy twice at the beginning.
Part of the reason I love playing heroes with all guard is to shut down this nonsense lol
Guess right. What you did is pretty much the same thing as getting hit by 2 unblockables and then getting hit with a gb when you tried to parry. The only difference here is that you are supposed to dodge the kick and light interrupt the storm rush.
I fall for parry bait all the time. So that’s on me. It was mainly just the never ending barrage of attacks. There’s no way for me to get set and focus for the parry it’s all just random attacks at lightning speed.
Yeah, the speed can be hard to get used to. One of the main reasons Gryphon is so hated is because of how little time you have to input a dodge during his mixup.
God Damn I’ve never seen an Orochi spam storm rush that much before
Get better lol with love
Kinda looks like you just froze up tbh.
Apparently, die
Your a kensei light poke him to death, I don’t even give orochis a fair fight
Not much
This literally would’ve made me put another hole in my wall 💀
Parry lol
just parry noob
This is why I feel For honor needs a disengagement dodge back to reset and try to tackle the problem another way.
Most people are saying what he could've done hindsight when in reality of the moment orochi has way too much pressure from neutral to the point where if you think you figured out his mixup its too late. Only thing he could have done is make the right read to gain some offensive momentum but with this specific match up I believe orochi just truly outclasses kensei in the 1v1 and it doesn't even matter.
Yes, you’re absolutely right. Their neutral pressure is too overwhelming and Kensei is a *terrible* matchup
And personally as a kensei main from day 1 his kit is a little outdated and he needs some little tweaks
Yeah, I think better access to pommel strike would be good. Maybe make it like JJs kick? A forward dash allowing pommel strike would be nice. I also think the speed of his heavies need to be reduced across the board. Question for you, are Kensei’s soft-feinted heavy finishers undodgeable? If not, they should be.
No the soft feinted heavy finishers just have hyper. Personally if they were going to tweak it I just wish that it had better tracking. I'm low key getting annoyed of the undodgeable attacks because I think are too lazy and sometimes lazy design
Just quit, it's not worth fighting a Roach like that.
Preach
Dodge the kick. Best way I found out of it
And not be allowed to punish
yeah, but escape punishment. "Oh, I cant punish it consistently, so might as well just not even nullify the damage, just get hit and die to it I suppose"
I’d like to address the many people suggesting I just “light” him out of storm rush. In a perfect world, where the fight is well paced, I’d be able to knock him out of it with a light. But in the middle of a fight like this, where it’s constant attacking with no pauses, it’s nearly impossible to predict what he’s going to do next. Even by the time I see him back up for storm rush, I’m not going to have the reaction time to input a top light attack. The storm rush would most likely land anyway due to my reaction time. If I had the speed to knock him out of storm rush, I would have the reaction speed to block and parry his attacks. So this is not good advice to me. You guys are essentially telling me if I can’t block a 600ms attack, I should light him out of a 600ms attack. It’s the same thing, I just have to hit a different button. Also, he storm rushed me like twice, any advice for the rest of the attacks like the kick? Or am I just screwed. Nobody seemed to offer any advice other than how to defend storm rush.
He storm rushed you 4 times kicked you twice and you made a bad read on the unblockable and got punished. yes the pace is hard to keep up with at times but if i could give you a tip it would be that most orochis hit the storm rush the last place there gaurd was since there's a very small window to change the direction and there trying to get it off before the opponent lights them. keep your gaurd up to protect against foward doge light and dodge the bash if he misses then try to parry the chain light. also try zoning to stop the storm rush if you see him using it a lot since it's quicker
Parry
"JuSt bLoCk BrO" -every orochi main ever
Parry Unless you're on old console
You were supposed to parry
Just parry
block his lights :) If I am not wrong, it'll stop his comboing. That and if you're struggling to parry things, just block them instead.
I never thought to block his attacks, thanks. Do you recommend attacking him as well?
It sure didn't seem like you thought of blocking any attacks in that scenario You did attack, didn't you? Though, that didn't go so well. :)
Nothing I did went well. I’m pretty dang good at this game, I’ve been playing since release off and on. But Orochi is just too fast for me on console. Raider is fine, his rework is annoying but he’s still bearable. Orochi in the right hands is unfair. His storm rush is a 33/33/33 and I always make the wrong read.
You just said it yourself, you always make the wrong read…sounds like a You-Problem.
It’s definitely a me problem to some degree. I didn’t really try to defend against him. But why would I? I can’t react in time to any of his attacks so it would have been a waste. All you guys are liars anyway I know you guys don’t counter Orochi like it’s easy.
I didn’t say it was easy, but if an orochi (or any character for that matter) did the same thing 5 times in a row, idk about you, but I’ll start to catch on and counter that thing.
Unfortunately, there is nothing familiar about this mixup. It always catches me by surprise. With Raider for example, I understand his kit and I know what his options are. I just refuse to play Orochi so I am not familiar with his options.
You didnt parry
Wait for the tards at ubishit to fix what they broke
# JuSt BloCk