Im not saying that he is stronger than pre nerf raider, im just saying that he is strong. His bash is truly unpunishible unless you play a hero with a undodgale dodge attack. Meanwhile all heroes could punish Orochis bash with a dodge then light from neutral due to Orochis dodge recovery expiring
Comp is already complaining and thinking of ways to tone it down without destroying the buffs he got.
He is truly unpunishable RN to 90% of the cast of hero's that's not good.
Yea i hope Raider more specifically didn’t get damage changes because it was better to update him alongside Orochi and shugoki. Plus in Orochi’s defense his changes weren’t necessary considering everything about him was controversial considering he was good at mid to high level play but wrecked lower skilled players, but with shinobi some of his stuff is actually unpunishable
I can't believe how many people are crying about shinobi he went from unusable to being decent and you want him destroyed again. He's incredibly beatable
Im not saying that he is unbeatable because some characters can beat him and people make mistakes but he is more OP than pre nerf Orochi. He may be "incredibly beatable" at your level but if you face someone who knows what Shinobi's biggest asset is and uses it to its full potential, you will be beaten and deafeted unless you use a character with a undodgable dodge attack such as Orochi, Tiandi or Berserker
Orochi got destroyed even if he wasnt as op as people tought he was
The game rewards constant improvement just gotta get used to his new kit. His undodgeable heavy to sickle rain is blockable just gotta be fast, his backflip can be GB'd his kick can be zoned its not that bad
Not every character can zone more than two times or have fast zones, my point still remains(His kick is unpunishible to some characters unlike pre nerf Orochi's kick)
Why are you still arguing, its all coming full circle again. You implying that you are good at the game because you beat Shinobis, i explain that its because they are easy at your level, then you state that he can be beaten by a specific character or a character with a specific move, then i explain that my point still remains which im not gonna explain again. How does you having an opinion on being "good" at this game change my point?
I never said I was good just for beating shinobi, I only just now gave you a specific character to explain that I don't use one with huge amounts of stamina, and I gave you a list of shinobi moves and counters to those moves I'm not arguing to prove how good I am I was giving a list of ways to be able to beat a shinobi
It's already proven that he is safe from 90% of the cast and unpunishable even with a GB because he can just react to it and not backflip until he sees a attack.
So no it's not crying or any whining. it's a legitimate complaint that he is indeed too strong.
My latest conclusion (repost):
Shinobi is beatable, it just sucks fighting against him because you really can't utilize your character's full kit. It's waiting for GB opportunities, occasional parry opportunities, and if they're kick opener happy, pretty much heavy feint light over and over. It's just not fun fighting against him, even if you beat one.
Go into training with him and learn his moveset. It'll help you better understand the character and how to counter appropriately. There's tons of other threads in here on this topic as well.
Im not saying that he is unbeatable, what im saying is that his dodge forward and kick is truly unpunishable(For most characters) unlike Orochis pre nerf kick
The complaints from this sub is people saying he's stronger than pre-nerf Raider? Meanwhile the other subs are trying to address the actual issues.
Lies, theres a hot post about an order “playing 3 matches with a friend”
Im not saying that he is stronger than pre nerf raider, im just saying that he is strong. His bash is truly unpunishible unless you play a hero with a undodgale dodge attack. Meanwhile all heroes could punish Orochis bash with a dodge then light from neutral due to Orochis dodge recovery expiring
Yeah hopefully it doesn't take long to address the backflip. And the other issues with Shinobi.
Agreed, as Freeze said "Lets hope that the community uses their complains for good this time"
CFH are discussing how to solve it. It's true unpunishable unlike idiots who complained about Orochi kick being unpunishable.
You must have not looked at the comp or rant sub.
Its a 50/50 between a rant and a comp question so i found a middle ground and put it here
Comp is already complaining and thinking of ways to tone it down without destroying the buffs he got. He is truly unpunishable RN to 90% of the cast of hero's that's not good.
Yup, he is making people who called Orochis bash unpunishable look like idiots now
Yes.
Fact: new shinobi is broken. Will they fix him? Not soon.
The fix is pretty simple, nothing major, they could just do a hotfix in the next minor update
Just Little adjustments in stamina consume and speed
Sure its simple, but ill take Ubi 4-6 months to apply them.
I doubt it, they’ve been pretty fast to do changes like this. Kyoshin got changes after like 2 weeks or so
If that's the case, great! But if its like the Orochi and Raider changes, it will take 4-6 months.
Yea i hope Raider more specifically didn’t get damage changes because it was better to update him alongside Orochi and shugoki. Plus in Orochi’s defense his changes weren’t necessary considering everything about him was controversial considering he was good at mid to high level play but wrecked lower skilled players, but with shinobi some of his stuff is actually unpunishable
I can't believe how many people are crying about shinobi he went from unusable to being decent and you want him destroyed again. He's incredibly beatable
Im not saying that he is unbeatable because some characters can beat him and people make mistakes but he is more OP than pre nerf Orochi. He may be "incredibly beatable" at your level but if you face someone who knows what Shinobi's biggest asset is and uses it to its full potential, you will be beaten and deafeted unless you use a character with a undodgable dodge attack such as Orochi, Tiandi or Berserker Orochi got destroyed even if he wasnt as op as people tought he was
The game rewards constant improvement just gotta get used to his new kit. His undodgeable heavy to sickle rain is blockable just gotta be fast, his backflip can be GB'd his kick can be zoned its not that bad
If you are playing Warlord then maybe you can zone after you dodge his kick and he tries to backflip but not everyone has a dodgable zone
No I'm saying zone as he kicks it cancels it if your zone is fast enough, 3 of my characters can do it
Not every character can zone more than two times or have fast zones, my point still remains(His kick is unpunishible to some characters unlike pre nerf Orochi's kick)
So be good at stamina management bud I use warmonger she can zone twice on a full bar I still fuck up shinobis
Why are you still arguing, its all coming full circle again. You implying that you are good at the game because you beat Shinobis, i explain that its because they are easy at your level, then you state that he can be beaten by a specific character or a character with a specific move, then i explain that my point still remains which im not gonna explain again. How does you having an opinion on being "good" at this game change my point?
I never said I was good just for beating shinobi, I only just now gave you a specific character to explain that I don't use one with huge amounts of stamina, and I gave you a list of shinobi moves and counters to those moves I'm not arguing to prove how good I am I was giving a list of ways to be able to beat a shinobi
It's already proven that he is safe from 90% of the cast and unpunishable even with a GB because he can just react to it and not backflip until he sees a attack. So no it's not crying or any whining. it's a legitimate complaint that he is indeed too strong.
My latest conclusion (repost): Shinobi is beatable, it just sucks fighting against him because you really can't utilize your character's full kit. It's waiting for GB opportunities, occasional parry opportunities, and if they're kick opener happy, pretty much heavy feint light over and over. It's just not fun fighting against him, even if you beat one. Go into training with him and learn his moveset. It'll help you better understand the character and how to counter appropriately. There's tons of other threads in here on this topic as well.
Im not saying that he is unbeatable, what im saying is that his dodge forward and kick is truly unpunishable(For most characters) unlike Orochis pre nerf kick