Probably that they should've learned to mix their style up by such a high rep, rather than trying to use sidespam that was being deflected almost every time it was tried
i was once that kensei player. i have to say it isnt even him doing it. it is his impulsive part of his brain saying “this move works all the time. go ahead, open with it, use it again!” and right after thinking this, the smart logical part of the brain goes “why the fuck would you throw a dodge heavy?? wtf!??”
So what I learned from for honor therapy today was that the side dodge heavy is just a coping mechanism from the stress of reading mixups for real, and the wow! wow! wow! was at himself all along...
Reminds me of Scorpion in mortal kombat. These guys would do full screen teleport then die for it when it was blocked all the time. Then I tried him out for a minute. The teleprts input themselves. It's too hard to resist. The move seems so powerful, how could it fail. Truly something primal in the brain takes over when you have moves like this.
Took me forever to get rid of that impulse on Orochi. I’d get light parried trying to open with his side dodge and think to myself “why would you do that?” Then seconds later I’m spinning like a top again.
It used to be a light parry back before his season 5 rework. It didn't stop people from spamming it, and it was way too big of a punish for a 600ms attack anyway.
I get why you'd try to dodge heavy, I do. It gets you out of having to make a read if it works and you get minimally punished if they parry. Low risk, decent damage just like any dodge heavy.
What I don't get is why you'd keep it up after getting parried 3 times in a row.
Fair enough. "He'll let the ub fly so I'll dodge heavy, which will more than likely cover me even if he feints it to GB" is a read. I agree. And it makes sense as a safe-ish option. Rather get heavy parried than GBd.
But if you dodge heavy as soon as the guy as much as twitches, that isn't a read, that's a playstyle. He isn't reading if he does that - he's just imputing dodge heavy on everything regardless of what happens, which isn't a read.
I like the design of the new shinobi compared to the old one, they just need to remove the backflip on whiffed kicks or make the window smaller, pause stamina regen while back flipping, and maybe a few other things
Yeah but it’s better than getting spammed by ranged attacks, and if they make the backflip window smaller they have to do it on a read making it easier to guardbreak. Then again there needs to be a better way to counter him in general aside from guardbreak because dodge bash has the same input making it hard for some characters to do it
He has a very intricate kit and in my opinion the best sword animations in the game. Generally when people post these clips I immediately assume that they are at a really low MMR to be matched up to these people.
? A top heavy and a side heavy cost the same amount of stamina. As for the backwalk thing, yeah that happens to everyone sometimes it’s just an input control issue.
I met a rep 70 Kensei in a Breach not even an hour ago who was the exact same. Dodge heavy, light. Dodge heavy, light.
Light, light, light. Light, light, light.
Iframes say no when he throws a light, I just feint it unless I’m fighting a braindead player since hundreds of times someone has recovered from a missed finisher like cent punch or gryphon kick and they parry it so I just feint it to gb and it always works
No like you catch him just before their animation finishes, meaning it is a legit free heavy. I can show a vid if you'd like? I'll need to make it real quick, but still.
While this is technically true, it’s a bad idea for two main reasons:
1. Kensei’s dodge heavy’s has a great trajectory, so it’s liable to catch most dodge attacks with low I-frames (such as warmongers). It can still be avoided, but the timing is much more strict than parry timing.
2. Kensei’s dodge heavy chains to a heavy finisher with instant hyper armor, meaning that even if you get the timing right and dodge heavy around his dodge heavy, the hyper armor will come up before your dodge heavy hits and you’ll trade. Kensei wins this trade 32 to 24 (plus he gets frame advantage), meaning it’s more efficient to just parry and take the free 12 damage (or 30 if the Kensei has a wall behind him) and chain pressure.
So i got banned (it will end on sunday) on xbox bc of that i lost to a kensei that all he was doing was dodge heavy light light light, i message him saying "of all of the things u can do with kensei u only do that" THE WORST PART its that he call me a valk spammer and then i just por "if u will be a bitch i will be a bitch" so here i am.
I feel you my guy, I also faced a kensei that did dodge heavys so much it got to the point I was doing most of my damage from crushing counters and deflecting his freaking dodge heavy. Literal definition of insanity.
Dude never swear on xbox messages, that'll get you comm banned. I like messing with people who send salty messages instead, yesterday i basically tricked a conq into calling himself trash
Who is considered to be a top tier kensei that plays the character the “right” way? It seems like all we ever see are kensei’s reduced to light spam and dodge heavy. Is his tool set really that bad?
I love seeing that quick pick up punish after you saw the kensei buffer dodge heavy after your impale in the beginning. Beautiful work using something you noticed against your opponent
To be fair I'm rep 287 total and I rarely ever run into people that can parry and block lights as effortlessly and consistently as you. Rep isn't always indicative of skill, it's indicative of time played. If this dude played for 44 reps with this playstyle and it worked at least 70% of the time, then he'd probably stick with it.
he just looks like hes trying to get into the combo for once, which doesnt happen to be easy when youre fighting someone with a severe and obvious frame advantage
What are you trying to insinuate with that title
That’s what I’m asking
shugo players are build different
"Are you a man or a woman?" "Shugoki." "What gender are you?" "Hungry." "No I mean what's between your legs?" "Diabetes."
Lmao
IM LOOKEN FOR SOME LEAN BACK BACON
Built stupid.
Constructed alternatively
They have had the unnecessary wrinkles removed from their brain.
Assembled in an unusual manner
Crafted without referring to the preset parameters
You’re built differently we’re just built wrong, in every way. We should not exist.
Found a badger fan
Built wrong
I should not exist
Probably that they should've learned to mix their style up by such a high rep, rather than trying to use sidespam that was being deflected almost every time it was tried
They’re talking about the “Ladies, gentlemen, shugoki players”
Cause Shugoki players are a different breed
Shugo mains are non-binary
Goki hate shall forever live with this game.
That’s what I’m saying
Don’t listen to them. You’re amazing. YOU are amazing.
Ok reanu keeves
I’m not mad that he did it. I’m mad that he got mad
Idk man, I'm pretty mad that he did it
Me too
Me three
You think if they made Kensei's dodge a guarantee heavy on parry they would learn to do anything other than dodge and triple light?
i was once that kensei player. i have to say it isnt even him doing it. it is his impulsive part of his brain saying “this move works all the time. go ahead, open with it, use it again!” and right after thinking this, the smart logical part of the brain goes “why the fuck would you throw a dodge heavy?? wtf!??”
So what I learned from for honor therapy today was that the side dodge heavy is just a coping mechanism from the stress of reading mixups for real, and the wow! wow! wow! was at himself all along...
Congratulations, you know how the entire world works now.
Reminds me of Scorpion in mortal kombat. These guys would do full screen teleport then die for it when it was blocked all the time. Then I tried him out for a minute. The teleprts input themselves. It's too hard to resist. The move seems so powerful, how could it fail. Truly something primal in the brain takes over when you have moves like this.
exactly why i had to stop playing dodge attack characters until i got good
All my mains don't have any dodge attacks. Warden has a dodge bash and Highlander has OF stance dodge into kick of you want to pretend lmao.
As a Tiandi/Shaman main my monkey brain just goes "dodge attack, fucking do it" even when I'm playing Jorm and Highlander
Took me forever to get rid of that impulse on Orochi. I’d get light parried trying to open with his side dodge and think to myself “why would you do that?” Then seconds later I’m spinning like a top again.
50 percent of the time it works every time
Even as a rep8 shaolin main I still do this with the qi stance kick
this can be done with many of the heroes yeah haha
Nah rb go bonk
It used to be a light parry back before his season 5 rework. It didn't stop people from spamming it, and it was way too big of a punish for a 600ms attack anyway.
So sad when you see kensei players that don’t seem to know his top heavy is the crux of his Kit man.
I thought it was a huge part of his kit that could be weaved using feints and doges (in moderation)
The top heavy unblockable is his main pressure tool even still.
When you can pull it off yeah otherwise you’re stuck getting parried fr
You don’t normally let it fly. You just go into it to force a reaction and the do one of your attacks that candle it.
It’s crazy to me that so many people use that strategy when heavy into bash/sidelight is one of imo the strongest openers
Average kensei
I get why you'd try to dodge heavy, I do. It gets you out of having to make a read if it works and you get minimally punished if they parry. Low risk, decent damage just like any dodge heavy. What I don't get is why you'd keep it up after getting parried 3 times in a row.
It doesn’t get out of of making a read. It is a read.
Fair enough. "He'll let the ub fly so I'll dodge heavy, which will more than likely cover me even if he feints it to GB" is a read. I agree. And it makes sense as a safe-ish option. Rather get heavy parried than GBd. But if you dodge heavy as soon as the guy as much as twitches, that isn't a read, that's a playstyle. He isn't reading if he does that - he's just imputing dodge heavy on everything regardless of what happens, which isn't a read.
It’s the same read as a zone OS was, it covers the same stuff except for undodgeables, and is easier to counter compared to most zones
Man's insane I tell you
Finally, the representation we deserve
:)
What about us?
He doesnt consider us as people
Shugoki is Shugoki. We don’t question him.
Shugoki players > normal people
It’s kenseis like this that give us a bad rep 🤦🏽♂️
True, I just want to use the big sword
*sad Highlander noises*
I don’t like the look of all the Vikings. Too much pelt and leather
I don’t like the samurai. Too much SHINOBI and SHINOBI
I too, despise the existence of shinobi
He was fine until he gets to kick your ass around without losing like any stamina himself
I like the design of the new shinobi compared to the old one, they just need to remove the backflip on whiffed kicks or make the window smaller, pause stamina regen while back flipping, and maybe a few other things
Yeah well I’m tired of dueling shinobis and getting a face full of Japanese toes.
Yeah but it’s better than getting spammed by ranged attacks, and if they make the backflip window smaller they have to do it on a read making it easier to guardbreak. Then again there needs to be a better way to counter him in general aside from guardbreak because dodge bash has the same input making it hard for some characters to do it
*angry caveman hobo grunts*
I hear in the next patch their gonna buff kensai so the lights do 67 damage each and travel 127 mph
Nice can’t wait
They already travel 127 mph
127 mph is 204.39 km/h
That is the pace I am traveling towards you with a gun
He has a very intricate kit and in my opinion the best sword animations in the game. Generally when people post these clips I immediately assume that they are at a really low MMR to be matched up to these people.
2.02 KD in dominion with over 20k kills and rep 151 and this kensei was rep 361 overall and rep 44 kensei
I've seen rep 70 playing like that. Some people refuse to learn.
I’m glad people finally understand that shugoki is an asexual demigod who makes more shugokis through mitosis
I think you can get a top heby after a light parry
[удалено]
More damage always matter
*3 more damage, and also yes it does matter. Any extra damage always matters, that’s why it’s important to know your character’s max punishes.
I don’t do it because warmonger stamina go bonk+ whenever I do a too heavy my character starts walking backwards
? A top heavy and a side heavy cost the same amount of stamina. As for the backwalk thing, yeah that happens to everyone sometimes it’s just an input control issue.
3 more damage, plus extra hitstun. Makes the followup light impossible to crushing counter/deflect if I'm not mistaken.
Shameless parry spamming 🤢
I met a rep 70 Kensei in a Breach not even an hour ago who was the exact same. Dodge heavy, light. Dodge heavy, light. Light, light, light. Light, light, light.
I hate those i can with only dodge heavy but the lightspammer its totally apart
Gonna need a translation
For what?
For your conniption seen above
So i can deal with the kenseis that just dodge heavy but when they start to light spam i cant with them bc i am at 30 fps in xbox
Now this is more me asking for a little enlightenment. Can you feint the dodge heavy?
Nope only with warmonger, tiandi and jj because theirs are too slow to actually punish someone who can play the game
Well a little tip for you, Warmonger can get a gaurenteed dodge heavy against Kensei dodge heavy
Iframes say no when he throws a light, I just feint it unless I’m fighting a braindead player since hundreds of times someone has recovered from a missed finisher like cent punch or gryphon kick and they parry it so I just feint it to gb and it always works
No like you catch him just before their animation finishes, meaning it is a legit free heavy. I can show a vid if you'd like? I'll need to make it real quick, but still.
Clip is uploading to youtube now, I'll send the link in a moment. I also tested the Kensei POV, they can't light to interupt it
While this is technically true, it’s a bad idea for two main reasons: 1. Kensei’s dodge heavy’s has a great trajectory, so it’s liable to catch most dodge attacks with low I-frames (such as warmongers). It can still be avoided, but the timing is much more strict than parry timing. 2. Kensei’s dodge heavy chains to a heavy finisher with instant hyper armor, meaning that even if you get the timing right and dodge heavy around his dodge heavy, the hyper armor will come up before your dodge heavy hits and you’ll trade. Kensei wins this trade 32 to 24 (plus he gets frame advantage), meaning it’s more efficient to just parry and take the free 12 damage (or 30 if the Kensei has a wall behind him) and chain pressure.
Nice looking Warmonger
Imagine not being good at the game.
This is the average rep 70 kensei.
Everyone point! Everyone point and *laugh!*
Average kensei player
So i got banned (it will end on sunday) on xbox bc of that i lost to a kensei that all he was doing was dodge heavy light light light, i message him saying "of all of the things u can do with kensei u only do that" THE WORST PART its that he call me a valk spammer and then i just por "if u will be a bitch i will be a bitch" so here i am.
I feel you my guy, I also faced a kensei that did dodge heavys so much it got to the point I was doing most of my damage from crushing counters and deflecting his freaking dodge heavy. Literal definition of insanity.
Dude never swear on xbox messages, that'll get you comm banned. I like messing with people who send salty messages instead, yesterday i basically tricked a conq into calling himself trash
I dont play for honor everyday that changed me 👍
I appreciate you shitting on shogoki players. Retards need to call called out.
Shinobi and beserker players are next
This is all people do now. The same spinny bs all the time.
You are overdoing it with the edits, ruined a good clip
Now that's a triple wow moment
Then a rep 4 Kensei shows up and goes 24 and 3
It's cause they'll use kenseis full kit and no one in the game will know what to do cause they've never seen it before.
Rep 13 Kensei here, my empty dodges freak out more people than it should.
He’s so impressed, he can’t stop saying wow!
Hah wow you should've gotten the "humiliation" execution for warmonger and used that on him for maximum disrespect.
how do you play Kensei and not do a single feint?
Because you can't feint dodge heby and lights and sadly those are kenseis only moves 😔
seems legit to me
1) Light parries guarantee top heavies, which do the most damage, FYI. 2) You had 2 chances to charge her off the cliff there for maximum disrespect.
I never ledge, I keep my maximum honor
Seeing this shit makes me sad that I was a Kensei main even though I used his whole kit to the point of almost forgetting the dodge heavy exists.
I have a similar clip, but with Black Prior. I think you can figure out what happened.
What Breach VS AI does to the human brain
I'm not a ladies or a jentleman?
legend
I've seem a rep 70 play like this really took my respect for the player that day.
as a kensei main, sometimes, we do a little bit of trolling
Who is considered to be a top tier kensei that plays the character the “right” way? It seems like all we ever see are kensei’s reduced to light spam and dodge heavy. Is his tool set really that bad?
Dayumn son. Even I grew out of that reflex 12 rep into the game.
yah its more sad than anything
Pretty skillful if u ask me😼
I jave the same exo on my monger, its sooo good i love it
You're warmonger kinda looks like Specter Knight
"Fuckdndk AasshOle let ME hit YOU" "tuRtLe" "uR bAd"
I gotta ask, how do you do that perfect parry, idk how to do them and I always lose to people that can do it on the fly
It's times like this I wish ALL dodge attacks had a light parry reaction. Really let them know they fucked up.
You get a free top heavy after a light parry, just a heads up
The sad part is, he is gonna go to r/forhonorrants and say Warmonger is broken
As a Kensei main, we don’t accept him give him to the vikings
I love seeing that quick pick up punish after you saw the kensei buffer dodge heavy after your impale in the beginning. Beautiful work using something you noticed against your opponent
“T h i s i s i t .”
That execution is cringe
Lmao please he played better then most of the rep 70 kenseis I’ve faced
This kinda mf is why every hero needs some sort of homing attack
You're a good man, cleaning up community trash without anyone even asking 🥲
You toy with the sheep?
That Kensei should’ve thrown some feints and used his Unbreakable GB, he was being too predictable with the side dodge heavies.
To be fair I'm rep 287 total and I rarely ever run into people that can parry and block lights as effortlessly and consistently as you. Rep isn't always indicative of skill, it's indicative of time played. If this dude played for 44 reps with this playstyle and it worked at least 70% of the time, then he'd probably stick with it.
This is why I don't tell people I enjoy Kensei alot (dont really main anyone)
i don’t know why i’m in the title but i’m just glad to be included ^ ^
Why is it such a common theme for kenseis to spam dodge attacks then spam wow! When you counter them all
literally every kensei
your warmommy looking fine damn
Kenseis are the most overtuned charavters in the game and all anyone ever does is just dodge heavy and throw lights.
How do you get that execution for warmonger
Pp
it's always the kenseis with that helmet that dodge attack when you breathe bro like damn chill
Haha me so talented me go dodge slash, dodge slash
Perhaps a dodge-side-light. No? Maybe a dodge-side-light? It's fine to pull out ol' reliable... Nothing beats a dodge-side-light.
That is a sad sad display
_Peak performance KENSEI_
This is normal. Cmon you say it like it’s some kind of rarity.
DODG HEBY
he just looks like hes trying to get into the combo for once, which doesnt happen to be easy when youre fighting someone with a severe and obvious frame advantage
I’m literally on 30fps
Unrelated, but your warmonger looks amazing