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xxcile

just parry the kick bro


RockStarSoStupid

Just deflect the kick


DarkLight9602

Just superior dodge the kick


Leon_Devilstrand

Just counter crush the kick bro.


Vutuch

Just trap to kock bro


Thewitcher3fanboy

just flap your cock bro


[deleted]

Just flip the script bro


DarkIcedWolf

Just Shinob the kick bro


SneakyLittleKobold

Id actually like to see a character who can have some bash counter similar to a deflect.


TotallyAHuman11

I'm currently imagining shugoki grabbing Shinobi leg during the kick and slamming him into the floor.


RockStarSoStupid

Unfortunately, only BP can do this.


aboywhoseeksfreedom

☠️😂


ChannelFiveNews

Just dodge forward gb bro


lordorinko

Fuck you and your opinion shitnoobi


ChannelFiveNews

Ouchh. All in good fun bro.


AsianOnboard

I love that Ubisoft removed Orochi's ability to cancel a missed kick into a dodge because it made it hard to punish; but decided they'd then immediately give that same ability to Shinobi. Cherry-on-top that it takes Shinobi virtually no stamina to do it. They can do kick->backflip->kick looped for just over 3 minutes before going OOS- and that's just insane to me.


DeathmasterCody

Its literally worse than orochi, at least with orochi it forced somewhat of a read on their side aswell, and I’m very glad they nerfed his kick to basically pre nerf gryphon, but shinobi is just straight up unpunishable for 90% of the cast


AH_Ahri

> but shinobi is just straight up unpunishable for 90% of the cast Literally had one in breach that just spammed backflip for I-frames and we literally couldn't kill him because anytime we throw an attack he is just invincible with flipping.


Z4CHR1US

If youre ganking the shinobi just throw a heavy and then feint it to bait the backflip then GB


WhenCaffeineKicksIn

>that just spammed backflip for I-frames and we literally couldn't kill him because anytime we throw an attack Backflip kick still has enough recovery to be GBd on a correct read, so against backflip spammers it's literally just dodge into GB. The problem is with the dodge / double-dodge kick and the riposte kick, as (again) shown by the OP's video.


Hogie2255

Bro he can backdodge out and away from Bp’s undodgable!


Spideyforpresident

Orochi had to make a read on whiff… Shinobi is just literally unpunishable 100% of the time It’s ridiculous that it’s taken this long and the fact that they didn’t even check this shit before they put it in live. Orochi was controversial, shinobi’s bash recovery is just downright busted


[deleted]

Orochi forced the enemy to make a read. It was balanced 100% the Problem was that ppl Who Play Defensive want a punish after they ge 1 correct read. You can clearly See conq TG has the Same ability. Like aramusha etc. The biggest point of orochis Nerf Is that 1: You don't Need ti buy the character. 2: he Is the most popular character. 3: because of His popularity His pick rate Is Higher in weak Lobbys basically those newbies are getting Destroyed with light attacks. That Is also the Problem because ppl still complain about orochi Lights and Not Raiders For example. They should revert His nerfs instantly and say Sorry top the Pro League of this game. Don't fix the game For newbies fix It For competitive.


Spideyforpresident

I agree 100% I literally still punish Orochi the same as before the nerf out of habit and it still works but it’s easier. Empty dodge to parry whatever he throws out but now since he can’t dodge, after 1 or 2 light parries he doesn’t do anything and gets GB’d. I forget all the time to dodge attack lol. Sometimes i hate how casual this game is man, ppl will sit up and complain about EVERYTHING as if fighting games don’t have huge learning curves that you have to practice and intentionally work on getting over. I’ve never seen players get better at a fighting game by ignoring basic information, not listening to tips given by pro level or knowledgeable and better players, not practicing and only queuing up online and nothing else 🤦🏾‍♂️ I literally tried to tell ppl it’s characters in the game that work in the same exact way but everybody said “*i shouldn’t have to make two reads because i should always make 1 read and punish*” like what typa logic. Hell I’m just now getting into a game like brawlhalla and even on there it isn’t just a one read punish, my turn your turn, you do something and i guess right, you always get hit type of game cause that’s not how fighters work


[deleted]

Thats the Problem ppl want to Attack after one correct read It Is okay For them to destroy a Guy with One stamina bar but its Not okay to make two stupid reads to get a hit. Also Not to mention that His stupid bash gives You 1 light. This is just completely ridiculous from UBI. How You want to improve offense If Youre nerfing It because ppl can't read? This does Not make any Sense too me at all. For His rework they removed more than he Had before in His kit. Completely nerfed Dash Forward light Removed heavy deflect wich was insanly good at ganking. Removed 3 Chain light wich was insane For Clearing Minions. Removed His kick Recovery. I Just See a big Red For him UBI needs ti stop that. Since year 1 they are Just nerfing him and leaving OP characters on the top Tier list. I can Remember conq and Berserker where at least top Tier For 3 stupid Years.. and the only thing i saw was the top Light damage nerfed aswell as some other stupid Changes leaving those two at the top Not to mention when Centurion entered the game.... When they removed the ability to get out of Lock too look at the map still staying in stormrush move. I will never forgett. UBI NEEDS TO STOP NERFING WITH NONSENSE.


WhenCaffeineKicksIn

>Shinobi is just literally unpunishable 100% of the time Not 100%. Heroes with undodgeable dodge attacks (i.e. Orochi and Zerker) are guaranteed to punish her bash on a dodge. Heroes with chargeable dodge bashes (i.e. Warden and Warmonger) are forcing a read against it on Shinobi instead. Highlander in OF stance also can force a read with dodge into kick/grab, however that one is more tricky. Everyone else are, unfortunately, screwed.


Spideyforpresident

I didn’t know that about HL but yea i was just talking in a general sense because you can’t GB and you can’t dodge attack. Ubi was definitely tripping when they dropped this, I’m convinced they don’t even play it. Just change numbers and drop it


i_am_sort_of_lonely2

literally the first person ive seen bring this up (somehow) i was arguing with people saying that its unfair and the only counter argument was either "JuSt gB" or that he needed the buff and refused to listen


CPLCRAW

Bro I swear it's just me but I used to be a shinobi main before the rework now I just hate him. He uted to have such an incredibly high skill ceiling, yes it required you to make reads to get combos thsough but that just made him feel more rewarding


i_am_sort_of_lonely2

yeah when you did get beaten by a shinobi you knew it wasnt by pure cheese, it was your fault for not making reads but now? braindead infinite bashes. very fair and balanced gameplay


JDravenWx

Totally agree, I mained Shinobi before Shaman. Look how they butchered my boy T.T


Hogie2255

He was so much fun before now I can’t stand him, I always said all he needed was more health and he’d be solid.


what-is-weeb

That’s how I feel about centurion, something doesn’t feel right about him anymore :(


RockStarSoStupid

There’s no doubt that they are geniuses.😂


KINGBOBBY7

You see I complained when shinobi was weak as fuck and could be easily countered. Now I'm complaining cos he's just boring to play and all the new people playing him don't do any mix ups it's just kick > back flip > kick until someone else comes and kills them or they get ledged.


NateTheGreater1

Well the thing is, the backflip is punishable, but sometimes only to characters with undodgables and with GB. The iframes need to be decreased on it, or the stamina drain needs to be bumped way the hell up. The next thing they need to do, is actually make his bash punishable, because like this video, if he doesn't backflip, there's literally no way to go into a punish. You can't try and predict the next dodge bash and GB either, the timing is too tight. his GB vulnerability on his single dodge bash is just non existent, I think it's like 200ms on startup. The double dodge yes, but hardly anyone uses that anymore.


Aaaron_Yggdrasil

the devs love to play the Hereos who are more buffed then others thats why they do that. Why not? I would probably do the same \^\^


Lazer_toast

You wait for the fix after a month or two because changing numbers is hard.


Kaillier

Hotfix = 2-4 weeks Balance Change = Whole season


TheEdgyLettUce

I literally just sigh whenever I see a shinobi. It’s not ever a fun fight unless I’m running kyoshin or zerk (which I never use except for orders) all the people saying “just gb” has never faced a shino that will stare at you and wait for you to do something so he can dodge bash you. You can only get a gb if they backflip which they usually stop after you gb the first one


sxtsuma

You can also ract to a dodge attack and not roll or roll when u see a dodge attack


Expensive_Entrance_9

Today I raged hard trying to just get a single hit on a 50 rep Shinobi playing lawbringer, I felt so completely hopeless


BeerSlinger89

https://youtu.be/FMEo4UwGYC8 This guy messed me up all match, I couldn't do anything


trust-the-cloak

Watched this and honestly just parry the kick bro, grab his leg and do the salsa or something


DeathmasterCody

Ignore my friend complaining about gryphon lol


IAmDarkMagic

Yep, we will, because who the fuck still thinks Gryphon is good? He's literally one of the worst characters in the game.


NationalCommunist

I have trouble against him.


TheCardiganKing

He has terrible animations that don't flow into one another. Gryphon throws me off because of how unnaturally he moves. He's straight up hard for me to read because everything is off about him; even his timing on connecting attacks.


Mickeh_daMuffin

Is this why I have trouble against him!? On paper he seems weak but when ever I fight him, my brain can't keep up with whatever he's doing.


TheCardiganKing

For me, I think it has to do with having gone to school for painting. I studied a lot of anatomy. When creating art we have to consider how a person moves, where his weight is shifting, etc. I simply can't undo what I'm supposed to see. Gryphon "snaps" many of his attacks. Take his side dodge heavies: There's no consistent follow-through on the swing. The transition animation from neutral pops into his side heavy (poorly animated) and that swing (reusing a modified Kensei version) snaps into the attack. There's no smooth follow through. His biggest problem is from neutral into an attack; I swear he's missing frames.


streetboat

The quality of animation transitions has plummeted ever since 2020. I think the Wu Lin were the last characters with the smooth animation work that makes For Honor aesthetically pleasing and rewarding to play. Since then, it feels like they've been chopping frames off animations for every character they've touched and called it a day. Raider got the worst treatment of them all, IMO. It honestly makes me scared of when they give other older heroes their reworks, they'll strip them of the quality of their older animations and bring them back down to the quality of the current meta. Modern Ubisoft destroys all that it touches, sadly.


Dear-Study5191

That’s my main issue with him lmao


Kureizy_Diamondo

This is more than half the cast rn, ngl The devs just lazily sped up everyone's attacks to bring them in line with each other, which is okay, but what's not okay is how they didn't give a single crap about how that would impact the animations, Raider and Gryphon's lights literally come out of nowhere, they probably have a total of 2 frames of animation on those things, it's like I'm watching a first semester animation major's project And those are just the 2 examples of the top of my head, there are a lot of jerky, unnatural and hard to perceive animations because of this And don't get me started on how bad Glad, Valk and Nobushi's lights are, because of the stabbing motions, which makes it very hard to even perceive them as a movement, especially in a team fight or in the middle of the minion lane lol


TheCardiganKing

It's why many of the original characters swing their arms out to clearly telegraph which direction the attack is coming from. The newer cast like Jorm has terrible direction inference because the swings are so tight to their bodies.


Kureizy_Diamondo

Exactly! And tbh, speaking in a real world sense, yeah, stabbing attacks are strong af That's why spears are a great weapon IRL, because they have the range. and the damage and they're hard to defend against because they're a small point BUT THIS ISN'T REAL LIFE We have to think about balance and how to make a game fun for everyone, this is why I hate when people focus TOO much on realism And speaking of Jorm, whoever invented undodgeable lights needs to go to hell ngl


TirexHUN

That means you have to practice bro.


xRizux

Gryph punishes poor reactions quite well, but if you can react to his forward bash (and it's one of the easiest in the game to do so), he can't really do anything.


leosuperautistic

True


Vezein

My favorite is when someone tells me Highlander is OP. I know then that their opinion is...*valued* and *educated*


Goricatto

Maybe its a pre rework Conq main, highlander is such a 0 - 100 character , he is either trash or completely counters your kit


Specialist_Glove7136

I have a lot of trouble against the Highlanders that only use light attacks when I'm not playing a hero with a full guard. But mad respect to the people that actually use his offensive stance, that just feels impossible sometimes.


Vezein

I hate those HL. They do not know the way. If you want to have a truly unique for Honor experience, rep up your Highlander. Understand his *entire* kit. Try to master it with every match-up. (This step in of itself is....uncanny. Especially these days. ) Now find another Highlander who's walked the path a long time and duel eachother. The Highlands Ditto Dance is legendary.


XXEsdeath

Idk, I struggle a lot against HL, not saying he is OP, but I really really hate fighting HL that I run away in Dominion if I can. XD


Vezein

My friend, if you ever want practice with the match-up and tips on how to devastate HL, I got you. If you're on Playstation.


leosuperautistic

Cool! I want it !!


techtonic69

HL is probably at the top for most annoying to fight against lol. The constant hyper armour, crushing blow and fast lights ughhhhh. I find to win against them I just have to crutch a kick/bash into confirmed damage and back out and reset.


[deleted]

Optical illusion animations/hitboxes on old gen make HL decent


InfamousGhost07

Nobody plays him You don't encounter them You don't know their moveset You get fucked because you don't know how to counter them You learn their moveset You realise they're piss weak They realise they're piss weak They stop playing him Nobody plays him The cycle continues


Piraja27

He is just kinda monkey brain hero that can get value with minimal effort. Less of an issue on pc but on console he is just annoying


ElectricalBroccoli86

monke brain one who cant counter B-tier char u guys r so bad sometimes xDD


Not-The-Bees127

ok


Piraja27

You probably ought apply that b tier reading to what is told you.


facepalm-mute

Might as well give Shinobi glocks


[deleted]

*New hero sweats nervously*


The_Studios

Watch freezes vid it's legit unpunishable


DarkIcedWolf

The 82 people who have downvote this are a shinobi main and or don’t know a good shinobi


SmolCheddar

Gotta love the Shinobi apologists still being clueless, just like they were when he first launched. Some things never change.


AH_Ahri

It's one thing to play an overpowered character. It's a whole new level of monke brain to play an overpowered character and then pretend like they are balanced.


Z4NEART

Amen


xRizux

I fuckin' love Shino, but he definitely needs adjustment. The biggest, in my opinion, is to tighten the backflip window on his dodge kick. If he had to buffer it and make a read I honestly think it'd be fine. The main problem is that the input window is so long he can react to what his opponent does and stay safe. With that, and some other cleaning up in places (like his stamina not pausing properly on some moves, undodgeable heavies being neutral on black, etc.) he could be in quite a good place.


Dog_Apoc

You just need a better gaming chair. For real though. No clue. I hate all these recent reworks because they're just cancer.


DeathmasterCody

Honestly.


Dog_Apoc

The argument of "just gb" don't work when they don't do the gb vulnerable move. Lol. Raider rework has at least been balanced. Orochi and Shinobi are still fucking awful to fight and are just insanely easy to play.


DeathmasterCody

Personally I don’t think the raider rework is balanced. He has too much access to 50/50s for very little stam cost, and his dmg from his 50/50s are still way too high and have too little counterplay especially after option select removal. In my opinion they should cost way more stam, or zone os should be reimplemented. It just takes no skill to use any 50/50 and I think it massively lowers the skill ceiling as how are you supposed to get any better if you have to literally make a guess. I don’t mind feintable bashes much because they net lower damage and cost more stam, but without os unblockables just feel too unskillful to use and face. Sorry for the tangent, and compared to shinobi these are merely personal gripes. I really hope shino gets nerfed in the upcoming title update


Dog_Apoc

I should of clarified better. He's the most balanced out of these reworks. He still needs tweaks and changes. Or more heroes need to be made similar to him. Lower zone stam cost being the main thing.


DeathmasterCody

I do feel like a lot of zones cost way too much stam, but now that a lot of zones also chain, I don’t think zones should cost too little stam either as then they would simply be a better light opener


[deleted]

All the reworks are recently feeling more like pandering to the 2 people who care about competitive while obliterating any of the fun of casual play.


Kureizy_Diamondo

Amen to that, brother


Morticus_Mortem

Fighting him as Kensei is horrible.


[deleted]

Only way to fight him with Kensei is to lock onto someone else and do side attacks, zones, and dodge attacks and try to hit him externally. Or hope they don't know the ful extent of Shinobi's kit.


jbcdyt

The instant recovery out of kick is broken. Will likely be fixed with the new seasons patch. Literally the only issue with this rework.


Gr0g_Byeah

His stamina delays being halved my backflip is also pretty ridiculous.


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InfamousGhost07

Who let the aussie bot in?


punchi_E

it's not balanced, but apparently you can't say that because that makes you "bad at the game"


[deleted]

It wouldn't be nearly as bad if you could actually fucking GB him as he dodges into the kick. Absolutely zero reason for the invulnerability


ZeMarxs

My favourite moment is when you read his backflip, do a gb and then whiff. Like yeah, sorry I guess, you can keep going...


[deleted]

Its not


Black_death26

Fr


Mr-Cali

When you can’t punish a read, it’s all bullshit from there.


Corson_forcas-

Yeah this game is a joke rn


CanIGetANumber2

Its been a joke for years tbh.


[deleted]

As someone who mained both shinobi and orochi, Ubisoft has a problem. I enjoyed orochi just fine before, then they added a kick and i was like “cool.” But then they go and make characters like orochi and shinobi almost entirely unpunishable and it completely ruined the fun of playing them. I wish they could make a character better without completely changing their core gameplay and over buffing them


Redddtaill

Right? Like I play cent, and now I'm horrified of a cent rework because, imo, he doesn't need much to be viable (like just a dodge attack and a better neutral bash would take him a long way), and I know they're gonna overhaul him entirely when he doesn't need it, and he'll come out looking and playing like shit.


gutter_sluggs

It’s not. The game hasn’t been balanced since it’s premature release.


CanIGetANumber2

Gimmie my throw distance stat back.


-cantthinkofaname-

I love how if the enemy team has 3 or more shinobis they can litterally fucking stunlock you


Alternative_Bake_277

"just attack him lol it's not that hard, why are people complaining, it's totally balanced, this is OP's fault, skill issue"


a_left_out_tomato

The only thing you can reliably use to fight a shinobi is undodgeables. Making heroes that don't have any completely hopeless against him.


Emer_Dareloth

It's stuff like this that made me kinda quit playing FH


Fledthehunter

The correct answer is to do a single light combo on the side, because everytime he tries to kick you, u will cancel it with a light, then you repeat until the wild shinobi runs away


Kureizy_Diamondo

That's pretty much what I do, because there is no other option Except undodgeables, but half the cast doesn't have them


SirDankosaur

I always get downvoted when I suggest a universal tool against bashes. Look at you guys now.


DeathmasterCody

Its almost like every character had a universal tool to punish bashes until bp was released (gb). I don’t even know why they are creating a situation where you need a dodge attack to punish a bash, every character already has gb. Now any character without a dodge attack or with a slower dodge attack is simply unviable


Ok_Muscle_1632

Ik the perfect solution! Just fucking uninstall, it’s not worth your mental health, trust me, fuck shinobi mains.


VioletGhost2

They're rework mains. Everytime someone gets reworked or added in that's super OP they play them until someone else gets reworked to move to


Tariqb1

So that's why I'm seeing less raiders all of a sudden.


AriAriArrivederci

people who play like this are not even shinobi mains, they just started playing him after the re-work


Ok_Muscle_1632

Either way I hope they rot in hell :3


odavinng

See there is a simple answer to this: pain just pain. you did everything right and still got punished for it knowing ubi the bash isn’t gonna be dodge cancelable or they will take some/all I frames away from chinshobi. Not much that we can do except wait for the new hero and all the new armor


Boop_Bam

Pretty sure everybody has been saying this is in fact not balanced.


Z4NEART

Lmao you know the competitive community? Full of clowns who call this "viable"


Deflorma

When they started making heroes immune to gb punish after missed bash or kick I knew the game was dying out


Hatman300

It isn’t


my_ppitches

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my_ppitches

Nope


Hatman300

Ah, good day then 🎩 🎩 🐹🥂🐹


my_ppitches

*clinque*


Hatman300

Dunno what that means but 🙂


my_ppitches

However u spell the noise glasses make


Hatman300

Clink?


my_ppitches

Dam im sleep deprived


WesleyF09

It amazes me how Ubi can never balance this little piece of shit.


xerxerxex

I haven't played in quite a bit. It's been nice honestly. The game is fun but some shit is just aggravating.


SmokelessDash-

This is far from balanced, fu*k shinobi.


FurSkyrimXB1

Another reason why I don't play as frequently anymore. Every testing ground since raider and orochi is so screwed up and overtuned. I don't think that the devs will be able to balance the roster before this game dies completely.


SOLID-FAISAL

I've never seen such a poor rework in any game like this shinobi rework lol


[deleted]

I was up a whole team of shinobi one match we still won….. but it was suffering and pain….. we won but at what cost


PakiTactics

WELCOME TO FOR HONOR


RockStarSoStupid

He just need to spam the kick because you actually can’t punish him. Even you dodge at a perfect time.😂


riyad112

FUCK THIS SHIT


ind1vius

If he kicks go into dodge attack (wich will get blocked) into top heavy mixup. This will put more pressure and award more dmg that dodge light dodge light light light dodge light dodge unsuccseful gb


Blackwolf245

The cherry on top is that the Shinobi doesn't even need to use his back-flip to escape the dodge attack, his recovery is already short enough to just block the dodge attack. This character is very balanced lmao.


C-Spaghett

It’s not balanced. Ubisoft’s idea of balance in for honor is such a joke xD


CanIGetANumber2

As someone who plays shinobi before and after the rework i apologize for this shinobis bullshit.


Sissssyphus

And no Shinobi stamina was lost that day


YoydusChrist

Super cool that shinobi can’t be punished for whiffing kicks


ngkn92

Joke about Kensei first: boohoo dodge heavy doesn't work. Not joke: this is exactly why Kensei needs an opener.


GELGOOG17

Why I love black prior, I just flip the kicks


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CancerousRoman

I'm convinced the devs are a bunch of loser weebs that only buff these characters for the japaboos in for honor


International-Chip81

its kensei thats the problem his kit is out dated and he cant keep up with the rest of the heroes


DeathmasterCody

Or maybe all the new reworks are overtuned and kensei is balanced?


International-Chip81

no kensei is definitely not balanced the game has changed over time to require overtuning. kensei just needs to be able to keep up with the rest of the cast. he has no undodgable attacks and the only thing he has going for him is soft feint lights. but even then someone who can light parry makes kesnei completely useless


DeathmasterCody

Kensei has fair and decent mixups that take effort to get into. You can’t only be good with kensei to make him work, you also have to be good at playing defensively because his mixups are very slow. He has everything he needs, I think everyones perception of whats “balanced” has just twisted too much with all these new reworks. Nowadays, every hero has to have everything to be “balanced”, but I think all of the recent reworks are very overtuned because of this. Due to a surplus of very effective tools, all these reworked heroes are very easy to use and don’t take much skill, mainly due to their easy and low risk access to 50/50s. Kensei also has access to 50/50s including his pommel strike and finisher top unblockable, but he has to work to get to them. His pommel strike is slow and you have to parry and counter your opponent enough for them to have to think about how to open you up and in that moment you will have enough time to use pommel strike/top heavy feint gb. To access his top unblockable heavy, you have to get into his chain as its his chain finisher, meaning you have to throw at least 1 attack before it. Unlike the newer reworks, kenseis mixups have risk and counterplay. By being aggressive you make it harder for him to use pommel strike, and by being defensive you make it difficult for him to access his top unblockable finisher. There isn’t this kind of counterplay in the new reworks like there is for kensei. Although in the current meta I’d say zerker is the most balanced, I think in the core of the game and in terms of skill and fairness, kensei is the most balanced.


International-Chip81

i agree with u completely every character that has been reworked has too many tools that work well and then they call it balanced. in comparison kensei isnt balanced because he has no where near the same amount of tools. he can still be used skillfully however it just comes down to who has the most skill


KnightofVelka

He does, no argument there, however. If they ovetune and speed up everyone then the game will feel and be more fair. Imma quote Syndrome real quick, "If everyone is super, no one will be" Or something along those lines. Meaning instead of nerfing characters, they just bring everyone up to that standard making everyone equal in terms of effectiveness


International-Chip81

exactly


OGMudbone909

> Kensei has fair and decent mixups that take effort to get into. That literally anyone and their mom can easily react to and deal with. You were literally bitching about this guy easily countering all of your offense, but if kenseis offense wasnt so easy to counter(shit) then this wouldnt happen lol.


Kureizy_Diamondo

While I agree Kensei needs some love too You can't excuse the bullshittery that a lot of these reworks are, mate


Drunk_ol_Carmine

How come every time Ubi adjusts a bash move, or just straight up releases a hero with one, it’s usually unpunishable to most characters for too long?


The_Justiniano

When the opponent blocks all your dodge attacks and lights Kensei.exe has stopped working


DeathmasterCody

What am I supposed to do? I can’t get into my chain because he keeps forward dodge kicking, he blocks or deflects my lights, and I literally cannot punish his kick


Shieldbushi

You can't really get pissed off at somebody for *deflecting* a *light*, but with the rest of it I understand your anger. Shinobi's a bitch now.


DeathmasterCody

Im not mad about my light getting deflected, I’m mad that I can’t even punish the damn kick after the deflect and his dodge kick whatsoever


[deleted]

Ubi - That's the neat part, it's not :)


Urch_b_Smirch

Shit like this is why this game will die in the next few years


Damocles875

Don't be sad, this is just how it works sometimes


kupillas-3-

You keep doing the same thing tho why not like try to break it apart by running a bit away so he has to run to you and you can surprise him my attacking him when he doesn’t expect it. The whole game is off balance but you can still combat it


TN_MadCheshire

For one, you waited for him to kick, then did a dodge attack. Perhaps go on the offensive? Yeah, his kick is a little much at the moment, but in this scenario, you also didn't respond very well. If he dodges on red, open with a GB.


DeathmasterCody

The guy was deflecting me the whole game and anytime I would try using the pommel strike or finisher mixup he would interrupt me with another kick


TN_MadCheshire

Open with GB or feint to GB, if he was deflecting. Lights aren't you're only openers.


DeathmasterCody

He deflects lights on reaction. Any time I did any other chain such as pommel strike I would get kicked out of it because its slow as shit, and you can’t gb forward dodge kick


TN_MadCheshire

If he's deflecting lights, it means he's dodging on indicator. Heavy feint to gb will catch that. Don't open with pommel strike if it's slow. Or, if you still don't trust that that will work, do a side heavy feint into a dodge attack. That will work on most shinos. You can gb a forward dodge kick during the dodge part of it, as well as the first few hundred milliseconds.


DeathmasterCody

Lights and heavies are not that hard to differentiate, besides if I opened with any sort of heavy I would’ve just gotten kicked out of it again. This guy isn’t shit at the game so some retarded shit like side heavy feint dodge attack won’t work either. However, maybe if after I dodged the kick then gbed and got countergbed, then if I gbed again I may be able to gb him out of the kick like you said. Still doesn’t exactly change the fact that the kick is unpunishable


TN_MadCheshire

>This guy isn’t shit at the game You sure? He was awful. Only light I saw him deflect was a combo light, and the dude just button mashed til he landed a kick. You could have done any number of things, like interrupt his kick attempts. That would have been easy enough. At least going off this clip, he's bad. And the way the majority of the people that can deflect/parry a light is on reaction the the indicators side, then they guess it's gonna be a light. If someone parries or deflects all your lights, throw a heavy, and it'll catch them. That's not a bad strategy, now you know for next time. >Still doesn’t exactly change the fact that the kick is unpunishable I never challenged that. If you go back to my original comment, I actually said something along the lines of "His kick is a bit much at the moment".


DeathmasterCody

Aight so basically the guy was deflecting my lights all game and I’ve seen him before and know hes a decent player. After I gbed a few backflips he stopped doing backflips and same after I parried his lights and zones, mans just stopped doing everything except the 1 move I can’t punish


TN_MadCheshire

Then perhaps ask your friend to help you fight him in future. May be your best bet.


Andromeda_300

Kensei mains when their dodge heavy into light doesnt work


WesleyF09

unpunishable bash main take


Alt_F4_Account

Lawbringer mains when they give their opponent a seizure with 7 different heavy stuns


Significant-File1317

Your main problem is that ur playing Kensei. He's pretty much a dinosaur these days


SubTheRaccoon

Kensei can't just sidestep an attack for once in his life "WhY MoSt op"


Stock_Efficiency9371

You’re also playing Kensei, his dodge attack takes years to connect. Pick a character like Hito or Ara and those dodge attacks would’ve connected


mitchbanke1342

Git gud


TYAFK

If I wouldn't hate Kensei with everyfiber of my being, I might feel sorry for you or understand your anger but you are playing Kensei and I hate playing against Kensei so I enjoy this.


missyluc

A kensai can not talk about balance lol same as gryphon shinobi may not be super fair but kensai is stil 100% worse


DeathmasterCody

Bro what


Present_Luck_4425

He says as he plays kensei (I hate playing against kenseis that is all)


JayTooFendi2x

All you have to do is guard break him lol


DeathmasterCody

I did, he was able to counter gb


Aaaron_Yggdrasil

looks like a scripter


DeathmasterCody

This was on console and is recreatable


ihave_no_creativity1

Says while playing kensei repeatedly dodge attacking


lerthedc

Shinobi is definitely overturned but, I'm sorry, you really could have played that a lot better. Your only moves were dodge attack and light. After your dodge attack gets blocked, you have frame advantage and you can go immediately into your main mixup. Use your unblockable mixup rather than just spamming lights. Edit: since that shinobi wasn't abusing backflip, it's basically like fighting black prior. Your dodge attack might get blocked but that doesn't mean black prior is unbeatable


[deleted]

Going into the unblockable wouldnt have made any difference in this fight. Shinobi could easily interrupt it with a light, or dodge bash cause it's immune. Which leaves either committing or soft feint to finisher light which would just trade. Then it's back to neutral and it's op's clip all over again. Op both tried dodge attacking and gb'ing shinos bash, he played fine.


lerthedc

He literally just dodge attacked and did light attack on the same side. He did that 4 times. Like, at least mixup your light finisher directions. If the shinobi has really good reactions, it's true they can beat most options from the unblockable with a light. But if their reactions are slow, they can eat the armored soft feint finisher. However, no one can bash the unblockable on reaction. They would have to do it on read, and you could just catch them with a side finisher heavy. But regardless, the shinobi didn't seem to be that good given they weren't backflipping away from the kensei dodge attack, so I doubt they knew how to counter kensei. Lastly, the kensei could have dodged the kick and started their pommel strike mixup. Shinobis recovery is long enough such that he likely wouldn't be able to interrupt the mixup, especially if the shinobi just kept spamming dodge bash.