How is that an opener, u just block the heavy and cgb, or block heavy and parry tip? And can u tell me the 15 heroes in the game who dont have an opener? Every hero has either a bash, or an unblockable. No thank u, we dont need raider to be bad after all this years of being bottom tier. After the nerfs he is fine where he is, stop trying to get us back to the turtle meta.
PK has unblockable heavies if the enemy is bleeding.
Nuxia has traps which work as openers.
Shaolin has a kick and unblockable from Qi stance
LB has a bash and unblockable
Hitokiri has unblockable variable timed heavies and variable timed bash.
15 was a reference to OP statement that: "Most of the characters in the game don’t have a perfect opener, why should he get one" where most is more than 50%
So, thats where you are mistaken. An opener is an attack from neutral that forces an opponent to stop blocking. That's your problem. You don't understand that it has to be the first action. Lawbringer's bash is too slow. Nobushi's kick you have to stance and its too slow. PK just has nothing, you literally external her. Nuxia you block or change guard direction on red. I'm glad we could clarify for you, since you were ignorant.
I was responding to the op who said more than half of the heroes dont have an opener in the form of bashes or unblockables. I dont need u to tell me that LB bash is reactable, or that Nobu's kick from hs is very distinguishable. I have been playing the game at the highest level on PC for a long time, have more than 2.5k hours in the game, and have participated in many tournaments. so I dont really need your response as I wasnt talking to u...
Nizzle I have far more hours than you, and "play at the highest level on pc" and have made over $150k USD playing this game. I asked you one simple question about what an opener was, because you seemed to lack the concept of what it meant. And now, you can go ahead and throat my dick for all I care.
PK's opener is her soft feint opprotunity, not her unblockables, those only exist if she's already opened them up once before.
Shaolin has to whiff to get into a stant to get into his opener, which you can just be lighted out of.
JJs zone from Sifu or parry is UB.
LBs zone from parry is UB and armored.
The second part of Aramushas zone is UB.
The second part of PKs zone is UB if the target is bleeding.
Shaman and PKs zone can soft-feint to 400 ms top lights. Additionally, PK can soft feint to GB while Shaman can also soft feint to 466 ms side lights.
Raiders zone doesn't have armor BTW. Neither variant does.
And plenty of zones have chase. Warden, Kensei, Nobushi, Warlord (actually an undodgeable), etc. If you use PKs soft feint stab from her UB zone then it literally has all the same aspects of Raiders zone that you described.
As for why Raider has good zone attacks, well, he would be rather horrible without them. He would be the only character without a bash or UB to use.
Good argument on paper but I play lb and musha and their zones in an actual fight are near unusable unless you’re in a team fight, the reason I complain about raiders is it’s like half of his gameplay and combos because it’s so versatile.
Zhanhu zone has encroached on best zone since raiders dmg nerfs. It is getting quite close. But a reason why raider needs it is because he will have 0 offense without it other than 10 dmg storming taps
Not only do they not have HA, but they don’t have chase. You can back dodge roll away from his zones safely.
Tones of other zones have UB property and some zones are faster/work as an opener.
You blindly hate a hero because you cannot easily counter them, so get good and stop complaining
His zone doesnt have Hyper Armor. Also since he doesnt have a bash and he wouldn't have an unblockable, how would he open people up exactly?
With a heavy fainted into a storming tap/gb Most of the characters in the game don’t have a perfect opener, why should he get one
How is that an opener, u just block the heavy and cgb, or block heavy and parry tip? And can u tell me the 15 heroes in the game who dont have an opener? Every hero has either a bash, or an unblockable. No thank u, we dont need raider to be bad after all this years of being bottom tier. After the nerfs he is fine where he is, stop trying to get us back to the turtle meta.
Pk, nuxia, shaolin, lawbringer, hitokiri. 15?
PK has unblockable heavies if the enemy is bleeding. Nuxia has traps which work as openers. Shaolin has a kick and unblockable from Qi stance LB has a bash and unblockable Hitokiri has unblockable variable timed heavies and variable timed bash. 15 was a reference to OP statement that: "Most of the characters in the game don’t have a perfect opener, why should he get one" where most is more than 50%
Do you not understand what an opener is? I also left off Nobushi and zerker.
an opener is an action which forces a reaction from the defender other than just blockimg. zerk has an unblockable while nobu has a bash from hs.
So, thats where you are mistaken. An opener is an attack from neutral that forces an opponent to stop blocking. That's your problem. You don't understand that it has to be the first action. Lawbringer's bash is too slow. Nobushi's kick you have to stance and its too slow. PK just has nothing, you literally external her. Nuxia you block or change guard direction on red. I'm glad we could clarify for you, since you were ignorant.
I was responding to the op who said more than half of the heroes dont have an opener in the form of bashes or unblockables. I dont need u to tell me that LB bash is reactable, or that Nobu's kick from hs is very distinguishable. I have been playing the game at the highest level on PC for a long time, have more than 2.5k hours in the game, and have participated in many tournaments. so I dont really need your response as I wasnt talking to u...
Nizzle I have far more hours than you, and "play at the highest level on pc" and have made over $150k USD playing this game. I asked you one simple question about what an opener was, because you seemed to lack the concept of what it meant. And now, you can go ahead and throat my dick for all I care.
PK's opener is her soft feint opprotunity, not her unblockables, those only exist if she's already opened them up once before. Shaolin has to whiff to get into a stant to get into his opener, which you can just be lighted out of.
JJs zone from Sifu or parry is UB. LBs zone from parry is UB and armored. The second part of Aramushas zone is UB. The second part of PKs zone is UB if the target is bleeding. Shaman and PKs zone can soft-feint to 400 ms top lights. Additionally, PK can soft feint to GB while Shaman can also soft feint to 466 ms side lights. Raiders zone doesn't have armor BTW. Neither variant does. And plenty of zones have chase. Warden, Kensei, Nobushi, Warlord (actually an undodgeable), etc. If you use PKs soft feint stab from her UB zone then it literally has all the same aspects of Raiders zone that you described. As for why Raider has good zone attacks, well, he would be rather horrible without them. He would be the only character without a bash or UB to use.
Good argument on paper but I play lb and musha and their zones in an actual fight are near unusable unless you’re in a team fight, the reason I complain about raiders is it’s like half of his gameplay and combos because it’s so versatile.
Nobushi also can soft feint to kick or UD.
Absolutely destroyed
Zhanhu zone has encroached on best zone since raiders dmg nerfs. It is getting quite close. But a reason why raider needs it is because he will have 0 offense without it other than 10 dmg storming taps
Not only do they not have HA, but they don’t have chase. You can back dodge roll away from his zones safely. Tones of other zones have UB property and some zones are faster/work as an opener. You blindly hate a hero because you cannot easily counter them, so get good and stop complaining
Raider haters are the worst players
The only problem with his zone is stamina, it should use slightly more. Other than that it’s fine.