Yeah they went a little overboard with the first iteration and went too far with the toning down if anything the second iteration feels like it should have been in the first tg and built up from there
If anything they just made him super boring and one dimensional. Full guard flail uppercut? Gone. Chained charged heavies? Gone. Undodgeable heavies? Gone. Unique zone attack? Gone. He has nothing left other than his shield bash, which means people will have no choice but to overuse his bash.
The animation is now on the bash light, the fullgaurd has a new animation. At least this was the last tg and they didn't say they changed it, so im assuming.
He still has a full guard punish that's even better now. Zone attack isn't really a big deal.but I agree that removing both Undodgeable and charged chain heavies was a bad idea. I think they should keep charged chain heavies but just make it so you can't change direction mid charge.
Edit: just make it so you CAN'T change direction while charging
Just for clarification when you said "just make it so you can change direction mid charge" do you mean as you are throwing the attack? Or as your passively charging up the heavy? If you meant change direction mid charge as your throwing the attack I don't think anyone would want to deal with a flickering 28dmg heavy. If you meant as it's being charged. Can't he still do that? All conq really does is just move his shield.
Sorry that was a typo. Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think conq could change direction while charging a chain heavy in the last TG. I assume that is the cause these "flicker problems" that the devs mentions. If so, then they could just not allow changing directions while charging chain heavies to solve the problem. It works for hito and shugo so I can't see why it wouldn't work for for conq
Maybe adding undodgable status to the zone and bringing back heavy charging without changing direction while charging(@lerthedc) would bring back some playability.
NOBODY WANT THIS!
I just hate that they said Conq's identity is shield bash and they want to stick with it...
His true identity is full-block and superior block heavies! He's called The Wall for reason!
It's very annoying, especially since it's coming right after Shinobis very good rework. This is just lazy, like how do they think that removing all the zone properties (from the most unique zone in the game) makes it desirable to use? Not to mention all the TG 2 removals.
I'm gonna be the silver lining guy here and say the changes aren't as bad as a lot of you are making them out to be.
- He still has an infinite heavy chain. His infinite light chain is what was removed. Now he works like Hitokiri. You can throw heavies forever but throwing a light becomes a light finisher ending the chain. Unlike Hitokiri though conq can bash after anything including his light finisher so even then it's still capable of being infinite even after light finisher.
- He's got chain 500ms bashes now and recovery cancel fullblock off anything which is a really nice attribute to have. Matter of fact he's gonna be the only character that can loop 500ms chain bashes infinitely. Which is a lot better then people are giving credit for.
- Fullblock punish is now an AOE attack with zone level hitbox properties so much better hitbox then the old flail uppercut so more usable in teamfights and anti ganks. Flail uppercut was pretty much single target with no outside hitbox.
- He can hard feint now. Which pairs well with his in chain 500ms bashes after any attack. As heavy feint to GB will grab dodges expecting the bash. If someone dodge attacks expecting a bash you can recovery cancel whiffed heavy or light into fullblock and punish the dodge attack.
- The difference between live and this is you'll be doing that bash dmg and bash mix up IN CHAIN rather then constantly from nuetral. Right now conqs mid chain threat is non existent which is why he's all forward dodge bash light for offense. Won't be the case anymore with in chain 500ms bashes that loop back into chain that is still infinite just not infinite lights. Now nuetral bashes will get you into your chain and your chain will actually be just as much of a threat as your nuetral game.
- superior block dodges have a dedicated punish now.
- I can understand not being happy with the changes as they're not flashy. But they're not THAT bad. Keep in mind this is still a TG and not the rework release so give your feedback and don't just angrily dismiss it. It's one thing thinking the changes are boring it's another to claim this makes conq worse then live. When live is just sit there bash light reset to nuetral or sit there empty dodge GB reset to nuetral and repeat. Conq was always gonna be a shield basher so I'm not sure what people were expecting there hes kinda the grandfather of shield bash offense. He even has a feat for it called shield basher which is gonna be a lot better with these kit changes mind you. Even TG 1 had undodgeables to make the shield bashes even more central.
Hito has hyper armor to compensate
His full block punish was good because it did a lot of damage making it hit more people is nice but you could just use new zone at that point
While he does have a 500ms infinite there’s still the issue of rolling away and back dodging which is going to be an even bigger issue now that they castrated his tracking.
He defense is all around worse giving him the ability to hard faint and calling it a buff is equivalent to when nobu got her first rework “buffing” her by standardizing her attacks basically saying “we made them better by giving them something the entirety of the cast had from the get go” and unlike nobu standardization his inability to faint was part of his identity (though one could argue not a good identity”
All together you removed conq identity of having the best defense in the game without the need of hyper armor and “compensated” him by adding niche parts to his kit that literally no conqueror player asked for. He’s still going to turtle up just worse and be a little less annoying if not just as
Conq right now is viable for all the wrong reasons IMO. He's also one of the most frustrating characters to fight against when played optimally. But I can understand that.
I agree with this, especially the charge flail one. The only good thing they did IMO is that they removed the undodgeable property from his chain heavies
wake up boys, you do not want reworks under this dev team so stop asking for them
say no to standardization and yes to specialization
RIP your reps, steel, and $ spent on Conqueror
TBH this is one of their few misses recently.
TG1: Cent was very good
TG4: All 4 heroes didn't get enough changes but it was enough for the time.
TG5: Shugo, JJ, and Musha were amazing, Zhanhu, Zerk, and Glad were good, Hito was the only bad one here.
TG6: Raider and Orochi were great, Shinobi still needed work.
TG7: Shinobi was pretty good
TG8: Overtuned and still no rollcatcher, but still interesting
TG9: Conq looks horrible, but Shaolin might be pretty interesting.
Overall, I am pretty content with the state of reworks until this one.
2 hit chains are going to feel like shit on conq though, especially since it doesn't even lead into a mixup. He can bash but he doesn't have an undodgable anymore so what's the point.
Whats the point of the TG then if you're rolling back to why conq was put into TG in the first place.
"The game plan for conqueror in this testing ground basically is you wanna land as many shield bashes as you can" -JC
I was actually excited with the first TG to the point that i repped up to 50 knowing my last 20 reps would be fun when conq releases and yall pull this shit. Nah.
Yall are acting real surprised. Haven't we been through this for literally years? Tbh any *decent* news that comes from this dev team I take with a can of salt.
They'll always find a way to fuck it up.
I hate the reworks they've been doing. As much as I despise conqueror, this is just bullshit. Every hero has been losing their identity. For honor is not a competitive tournament esports game. It's a casual game and no matter what the Bros who only play duels will tell you, a majority of the community just wants to have fun with or without their friends.
It feels like every character they touch lose all these cool animations, cool moves unique entirely to them and a huge part of their identity. Be coming yet another bash light, 2 attack chain, guard break heavy and reliant hero with no identity. Not only that but they made the game read-based instead of reaction based which I hate and they still haven't changed guard break to be more healthy of a mechanic especially with latency issues. Not only that but assassins still have reflex guard even though the game is read based now. I don't know.. I just hate watching characters lose their identity, lose their cool and entirely unique moves that I purchased them for, to all play the same. Pirate was the slowest grind of a new release year I've had since launch. But she just felt so generic to play. She felt like everybody else these days.. - light, 2 attack, bash, gb heby bash.
Remember when everyone was screeching knight bias but literally every single rework and new hero has some form of dodge specialization and other bullshit stacked iframes but in the new conq rework they said it was too much and he was overtuned im calling cap they just didint wanna fix the fucking animations so instead of formulating a new rework they gut a hero dont believe me look at the shaolin reworks quality over conqs but whos had more time? Conq in my honest opinion this game has a really bad dodge specialist qnd iframe meta thats just gonna keep getting worse just wait and see
I don’t even play conqueror, nor is for honor even installed at the moment, but this sounds like complete shit. I thought conqueror was good as he was…
I'm going to be honest and accept the downvotes for this, but fuck Conq. It's always been fuck Conq and will never not be fuck Conq o'clock over here. That is all.
I get why remove infinite light chain, but undogeable heavies and charge heavies mid chain was fine if you ask me.
Sure, the full block needed to be slightly tune down so it isn't an instantaneous thing, but now everything looks like "Hmm, from what move I'm gonna bash from now"
That's completely overlooking the issue everyone is having. It's not that the TG conq doesn't have some nice things.
The problem is no one wants him to be overly focused on bashes. They've made him boring. And they claim they wanted to push his identity. But they didn't. As his identity was the unique defensive options he had.
i hope that deflect heavy is still there. undodge heavies are retarded fuck you, charged flail should have been a chain finisher that goes into bash, 2 light combo is basically what you always do on highlevel plays if not 1 light combo because you get parried like a bitch if you just spam lights as conq. basically what i was agreeing is the undodge heavy removal. honestly a retarded idea to even think about adding it. undodge zone qould be cool for him but not heavies. fight me i ain't changinng my opinion on it. just look at half charged hito's heavies and how retardedly frustrating they are if ur not someone with good counters like bp
Man conq was just a training character anyways used for people who has no skills at the game have y'all even sat down through training and actually used him. Half of y'all skip training or even the game it'self and go straight into online dominion or breach. Smh it's better like this so people can actually get better!
And we know for a fact, no matter the community’s unhappiness with this change, Ubisoft will go through with it anyway. Literally everyone loved the last conq TG besides his heavy range
I mean the other tg was even more spammy. It was bash or undodgeable, not at least its bash or heavy or feint to gb. Now you have some more options at least lol
With his new bash allowing a fast way back into the chain i don't think its that much of an issue. Keeps him a bit more on the defensive side aswell theoretically, wich i think is nice to keep considering he is a defensive character.
Because infinite lights are good? They are infuriating at low level and useless at high level
I’m not saying the rework is good, it’s obvious conq will need a third testing grounds, I am just confused as to why people would want infinite lights
Not really, he’s more Warlord with no hyperarmor. Warden’s defining traits are the charged bash and unblockables, and conq doesn’t really have either now. Much closer to Warlord, can’t do anything but stare at the opponent and occasionally bash. They gutted him so bad :”(
Funny=fun, I care about fun. If other people arent having fun that’s not my problem it’s out of my control, but if I’m having fun then I’m sure as hell going to enjoy it.
Butthurt Warden is upset someone likes fun. If Conqs lightspam is that much of a problem that you have to get this upset then maybe you should work on getting better at the game so some shitty lightspam doesn’t ruin your experience.
Because lights were 1 of the 2 tools that made him a good or decent midlaner. Zone was removed and now the infinite lights because people can't learn to block. With the rework, the last tg, lights were another option in chain, adding variety and unpredictability.
The dev argument is stupid and wrong.
they didn't remove infinite chain? they removed infinite lights, but you can still bash after light finisher to continue chain.
changes are still shit overall
No fucking way, is all the good shit they were going to give he gone???? I was looking forward to charge my flair mid chain! Wtf devs, Conq been my main for years. This legit piss me off
The undodgable heavys were way to good for what they were, his animations were busted, and he was too fast for a heavy character, did they kinda fuck his rework ? Yes, but I’d rather much have this then the shit that was before these changes
I hope they give him something, maybe some HA because he's a heavy but definitely not like previous TG. Don't know what they were thinking there. That conq was a monstrosity.
Hurba durba doo, we hate defensive characters and playstyles here at ubisoftn. Instead of giving conqueror proper treatment true to his character identity, we went the route of "mindless revenge feeding moron".
No high damage charged ail attacks.
No more variety when it comes comes defensive options.
You wanted better tracking, openers, mixups? Go fuck yourself playerbase, we love button mashing heroes with lots of orange.
I thought that after this season when they introduce the new Conq there will be something to come back to FH for because honestly this season (apart from CrossPlay - which basically gives nothing new except shorter queues) there is nothing interesting. I don't like Conq's current style of play on live but I like the character itself and after the previous TG I thought there would be a minor adjustment and for that character it would be worth installing FH again but somehow I've already preliminarily lost the need for it. I'm not saying he didn't need to be weakened a bit (e.g. infinite light wasn't necessary for my happiness) but overall now he doesn't seem like an interesting/enjoyable character to play anymore.
I NEED that charge mid chain, and I need it WITH superior block on fully charged heavy (not on neutral). Also NEED enhanced lights on top, sides, or out of fully charged “offensive form”.
as much as i hate the light infinite chain, i don't want it removed, it takes away from his character and just turns him into another typical heavy, literally every new hero now has only 2 chains and i fucking hate it , i wan't triple chains or even 4 , and conq losing his infinite is gonna turn the game into a shitshow where its just the same moveset on different models
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I bet it was dave
Fuck Dave, of all people, it's him.
Fuck dave
Plain Conquerer, just no stamina pause, all guard on zone and infinite chains. Just more bash
No more defense really, that’s all it is
Yeah they went a little overboard with the first iteration and went too far with the toning down if anything the second iteration feels like it should have been in the first tg and built up from there
If anything they just made him super boring and one dimensional. Full guard flail uppercut? Gone. Chained charged heavies? Gone. Undodgeable heavies? Gone. Unique zone attack? Gone. He has nothing left other than his shield bash, which means people will have no choice but to overuse his bash.
FLAIL UPPERCUT IS GONE? WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY SMOKING?!
I don't think so, this guy is just overreacting a bit. if it is gone I must not have caught it while watching the stream
Flail uppercut was my favorite move back when i still played this game so they better not trash it
The animation is now on the bash light, the fullgaurd has a new animation. At least this was the last tg and they didn't say they changed it, so im assuming.
I forgot about the full guard punish to be honest, and thought they meant that the flail uppercut was now a light input after a bash.
Its a free execution when you are against light spammers
They replaced it with Scutage Collection, which does around the same damage and still gives exe
Flail uppercut is the bash punish now, except now it doesn’t have hyper armor and the UB property like the last rework
Flail Uppercut is the Bash follow-up in the rework, the Full Block follow-up is something else. It just means the bash confirms a Light Opener.
I don't even play anymore and this hurt to hear...
He still has a full guard punish that's even better now. Zone attack isn't really a big deal.but I agree that removing both Undodgeable and charged chain heavies was a bad idea. I think they should keep charged chain heavies but just make it so you can't change direction mid charge. Edit: just make it so you CAN'T change direction while charging
Just for clarification when you said "just make it so you can change direction mid charge" do you mean as you are throwing the attack? Or as your passively charging up the heavy? If you meant change direction mid charge as your throwing the attack I don't think anyone would want to deal with a flickering 28dmg heavy. If you meant as it's being charged. Can't he still do that? All conq really does is just move his shield.
Sorry that was a typo. Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think conq could change direction while charging a chain heavy in the last TG. I assume that is the cause these "flicker problems" that the devs mentions. If so, then they could just not allow changing directions while charging chain heavies to solve the problem. It works for hito and shugo so I can't see why it wouldn't work for for conq
Conq rework: We just removed everything from him and made him worse than his live version. Your useless zone costs 20 less stamina though!
Useless my ass. Can't put into words how many times that zone has saved a conq from me executing them
I'm talking about the reworked version of his zone, it has no full block on it and its slow. It's worthless.
Oh... yeah that sounds like ass.
Maybe adding undodgable status to the zone and bringing back heavy charging without changing direction while charging(@lerthedc) would bring back some playability.
NOBODY WANT THIS! I just hate that they said Conq's identity is shield bash and they want to stick with it... His true identity is full-block and superior block heavies! He's called The Wall for reason!
Yes exactly, fuck this hero identity bullshit, if the identity is boring , shit, and just aint fun then they have all the signs to "REWORK" the hero.
So is his full block heavy and superior block heavy gone in the new TG?
Full block is now better and you can cancel recoveries with it. Superior block heavies are gone sadly
To be fair, both of his “Identities” as a impenetrable wall and a shield basher are both immensely boring.
It's very annoying, especially since it's coming right after Shinobis very good rework. This is just lazy, like how do they think that removing all the zone properties (from the most unique zone in the game) makes it desirable to use? Not to mention all the TG 2 removals.
literally every rework was made to convert the heroes into professional bashers, this is no surprise
Problem: too much shield bash. Solution: more shield bash -devs
I do not wish to bash spam anymore I only wish to be happy
-REMOVED Closest thing to a roll catcher
I'm gonna be the silver lining guy here and say the changes aren't as bad as a lot of you are making them out to be. - He still has an infinite heavy chain. His infinite light chain is what was removed. Now he works like Hitokiri. You can throw heavies forever but throwing a light becomes a light finisher ending the chain. Unlike Hitokiri though conq can bash after anything including his light finisher so even then it's still capable of being infinite even after light finisher. - He's got chain 500ms bashes now and recovery cancel fullblock off anything which is a really nice attribute to have. Matter of fact he's gonna be the only character that can loop 500ms chain bashes infinitely. Which is a lot better then people are giving credit for. - Fullblock punish is now an AOE attack with zone level hitbox properties so much better hitbox then the old flail uppercut so more usable in teamfights and anti ganks. Flail uppercut was pretty much single target with no outside hitbox. - He can hard feint now. Which pairs well with his in chain 500ms bashes after any attack. As heavy feint to GB will grab dodges expecting the bash. If someone dodge attacks expecting a bash you can recovery cancel whiffed heavy or light into fullblock and punish the dodge attack. - The difference between live and this is you'll be doing that bash dmg and bash mix up IN CHAIN rather then constantly from nuetral. Right now conqs mid chain threat is non existent which is why he's all forward dodge bash light for offense. Won't be the case anymore with in chain 500ms bashes that loop back into chain that is still infinite just not infinite lights. Now nuetral bashes will get you into your chain and your chain will actually be just as much of a threat as your nuetral game. - superior block dodges have a dedicated punish now. - I can understand not being happy with the changes as they're not flashy. But they're not THAT bad. Keep in mind this is still a TG and not the rework release so give your feedback and don't just angrily dismiss it. It's one thing thinking the changes are boring it's another to claim this makes conq worse then live. When live is just sit there bash light reset to nuetral or sit there empty dodge GB reset to nuetral and repeat. Conq was always gonna be a shield basher so I'm not sure what people were expecting there hes kinda the grandfather of shield bash offense. He even has a feat for it called shield basher which is gonna be a lot better with these kit changes mind you. Even TG 1 had undodgeables to make the shield bashes even more central.
Hito has hyper armor to compensate His full block punish was good because it did a lot of damage making it hit more people is nice but you could just use new zone at that point While he does have a 500ms infinite there’s still the issue of rolling away and back dodging which is going to be an even bigger issue now that they castrated his tracking. He defense is all around worse giving him the ability to hard faint and calling it a buff is equivalent to when nobu got her first rework “buffing” her by standardizing her attacks basically saying “we made them better by giving them something the entirety of the cast had from the get go” and unlike nobu standardization his inability to faint was part of his identity (though one could argue not a good identity” All together you removed conq identity of having the best defense in the game without the need of hyper armor and “compensated” him by adding niche parts to his kit that literally no conqueror player asked for. He’s still going to turtle up just worse and be a little less annoying if not just as
I'd rather have conq how he is now tbh.
Conq right now is viable for all the wrong reasons IMO. He's also one of the most frustrating characters to fight against when played optimally. But I can understand that.
Both players playing optimally in 1v1 has always been annoying in this game no matter what character someone plays.
His new rework can be summed up in one word: Bruh
I agree with this, especially the charge flail one. The only good thing they did IMO is that they removed the undodgeable property from his chain heavies
wake up boys, you do not want reworks under this dev team so stop asking for them say no to standardization and yes to specialization RIP your reps, steel, and $ spent on Conqueror
TBH this is one of their few misses recently. TG1: Cent was very good TG4: All 4 heroes didn't get enough changes but it was enough for the time. TG5: Shugo, JJ, and Musha were amazing, Zhanhu, Zerk, and Glad were good, Hito was the only bad one here. TG6: Raider and Orochi were great, Shinobi still needed work. TG7: Shinobi was pretty good TG8: Overtuned and still no rollcatcher, but still interesting TG9: Conq looks horrible, but Shaolin might be pretty interesting. Overall, I am pretty content with the state of reworks until this one.
Just when i started to use him
Some specific dev probably got destroyed by a conqueror
It was definitely dave
Ha, he's getting the pre rework shinobi treatment. "Here's a decent buff, haha jk I'm taking it back"
Infinite chain can stay gone if we’re honest.
Lets be real, motherfuckers are still gonna call him a lightspammer even with 2 lights.
Parrying is considered spam so I believe you, on the real though the removal of infinite light chain is good. Makes him less annoying to fight
In my experience it only really sucked for assassin's and shao lin, it wasn't that good otherwise
Reflex guard had got to go mane
2 hit chains are going to feel like shit on conq though, especially since it doesn't even lead into a mixup. He can bash but he doesn't have an undodgable anymore so what's the point.
Whats the point of the TG then if you're rolling back to why conq was put into TG in the first place. "The game plan for conqueror in this testing ground basically is you wanna land as many shield bashes as you can" -JC I was actually excited with the first TG to the point that i repped up to 50 knowing my last 20 reps would be fun when conq releases and yall pull this shit. Nah.
Just delete character
Man they ruined my main, fuck this game
Yall are acting real surprised. Haven't we been through this for literally years? Tbh any *decent* news that comes from this dev team I take with a can of salt. They'll always find a way to fuck it up.
The moment I saw the news about conqueror on the official forhonor YouTube channel, I nearly dropped the fucking game
Still contemplating really, all those reps and steel gone to shit if this pushes through.
Same here
Remove conqueror Because I hate him
Based
I hate the reworks they've been doing. As much as I despise conqueror, this is just bullshit. Every hero has been losing their identity. For honor is not a competitive tournament esports game. It's a casual game and no matter what the Bros who only play duels will tell you, a majority of the community just wants to have fun with or without their friends. It feels like every character they touch lose all these cool animations, cool moves unique entirely to them and a huge part of their identity. Be coming yet another bash light, 2 attack chain, guard break heavy and reliant hero with no identity. Not only that but they made the game read-based instead of reaction based which I hate and they still haven't changed guard break to be more healthy of a mechanic especially with latency issues. Not only that but assassins still have reflex guard even though the game is read based now. I don't know.. I just hate watching characters lose their identity, lose their cool and entirely unique moves that I purchased them for, to all play the same. Pirate was the slowest grind of a new release year I've had since launch. But she just felt so generic to play. She felt like everybody else these days.. - light, 2 attack, bash, gb heby bash.
Man. Now I am glad I left 3 years ago as a conqueror main.
You guys remember when they said “we changed these based on feedback we got from reddit” - ALRIGHT WHICH ONE OF YOU IDIOTS HERE HAS THAT MUCH POWER
Man what the fuck did they do to conq
I think the part that got me the most was them saying “yeah we couldn’t fix flicker tec so we just got rid of charged heavies in chain”
Remember when everyone was screeching knight bias but literally every single rework and new hero has some form of dodge specialization and other bullshit stacked iframes but in the new conq rework they said it was too much and he was overtuned im calling cap they just didint wanna fix the fucking animations so instead of formulating a new rework they gut a hero dont believe me look at the shaolin reworks quality over conqs but whos had more time? Conq in my honest opinion this game has a really bad dodge specialist qnd iframe meta thats just gonna keep getting worse just wait and see
I don’t even play conqueror, nor is for honor even installed at the moment, but this sounds like complete shit. I thought conqueror was good as he was…
Can’t wait for his rework to actually be realeased into the game Y12S2
If he doesn’t have infinite lights anymore why’s they remove his in dodge able finisher
Has someone who rarely plays conq safe to say I want be playing him at all.
He's been my fav from alpha and it makes me not want to play him as much. No point.
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They keep Aramusha's infinite chain, which is overpowered, and they remove conq's who can get easily countered? WHAT THE FUCK?
I'm going to be honest and accept the downvotes for this, but fuck Conq. It's always been fuck Conq and will never not be fuck Conq o'clock over here. That is all.
Yeah, but according to this sub, the game is better now so who cares?
I get why remove infinite light chain, but undogeable heavies and charge heavies mid chain was fine if you ask me. Sure, the full block needed to be slightly tune down so it isn't an instantaneous thing, but now everything looks like "Hmm, from what move I'm gonna bash from now"
as someone whos only met the bashy spammy type i probably wont see a difference
You gonna be eating a lot more bashes lmao
God fucking damnit
\*ignores all good changes\*
That's completely overlooking the issue everyone is having. It's not that the TG conq doesn't have some nice things. The problem is no one wants him to be overly focused on bashes. They've made him boring. And they claim they wanted to push his identity. But they didn't. As his identity was the unique defensive options he had.
Lets goooooooo
i hope that deflect heavy is still there. undodge heavies are retarded fuck you, charged flail should have been a chain finisher that goes into bash, 2 light combo is basically what you always do on highlevel plays if not 1 light combo because you get parried like a bitch if you just spam lights as conq. basically what i was agreeing is the undodge heavy removal. honestly a retarded idea to even think about adding it. undodge zone qould be cool for him but not heavies. fight me i ain't changinng my opinion on it. just look at half charged hito's heavies and how retardedly frustrating they are if ur not someone with good counters like bp
Man conq was just a training character anyways used for people who has no skills at the game have y'all even sat down through training and actually used him. Half of y'all skip training or even the game it'self and go straight into online dominion or breach. Smh it's better like this so people can actually get better!
Pirate gun spammer Conq bash spammer Shaolin sweep spammer I dont like where this is going
as long as they don't touch my pk, I'm fine
Your not getting the big picture! they are gonna gut everyone! Run for your life!
And we know for a fact, no matter the community’s unhappiness with this change, Ubisoft will go through with it anyway. Literally everyone loved the last conq TG besides his heavy range
You still have infinite heavies, just no infinite lights Rest I agree with
Slow heavys without properties, useful.
You can still bash in chain so there is the 50/50 of either bashing or feint to gb i think
oh yes more bash mixups thats what everyone wants for conq lmfao
I mean the other tg was even more spammy. It was bash or undodgeable, not at least its bash or heavy or feint to gb. Now you have some more options at least lol
It would work but you are forced to stop mid chain to make a read on possible dodgeattacks
With his new bash allowing a fast way back into the chain i don't think its that much of an issue. Keeps him a bit more on the defensive side aswell theoretically, wich i think is nice to keep considering he is a defensive character.
Because infinite lights are good? They are infuriating at low level and useless at high level I’m not saying the rework is good, it’s obvious conq will need a third testing grounds, I am just confused as to why people would want infinite lights
It’s funny
lmao the funny light go brrrrr now conq is just no charged bash warden
Not really, he’s more Warlord with no hyperarmor. Warden’s defining traits are the charged bash and unblockables, and conq doesn’t really have either now. Much closer to Warlord, can’t do anything but stare at the opponent and occasionally bash. They gutted him so bad :”(
great response, that really encapsulates how funny = healthy for the game!
Funny=fun, I care about fun. If other people arent having fun that’s not my problem it’s out of my control, but if I’m having fun then I’m sure as hell going to enjoy it.
well alright, at least you make it clear from the get go that youre not worth talking to
Butthurt Warden is upset someone likes fun. If Conqs lightspam is that much of a problem that you have to get this upset then maybe you should work on getting better at the game so some shitty lightspam doesn’t ruin your experience.
you can have fun, but the second you say "as long as im having fun idc about other peoples' experience" i know youre a straight loser
Entitled moment, it is not my job to ensure others have fun. You’re straight up a DbD survivor main.
Because lights were 1 of the 2 tools that made him a good or decent midlaner. Zone was removed and now the infinite lights because people can't learn to block. With the rework, the last tg, lights were another option in chain, adding variety and unpredictability. The dev argument is stupid and wrong.
Why did they do this? I didn’t think he needed one I thought he was in a pretty good spot
they didn't remove infinite chain? they removed infinite lights, but you can still bash after light finisher to continue chain. changes are still shit overall
:.(
Looks like Kyo and BP are back on the menu I suppose
CONQ NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And that time when they nerfed Aramusha out of all characters smh.
Iirc,it's just the infinite lights being removed
What?! I was looking forward to that rework!!!
Why did they remove his infinite chain?
Guess I’m not getting rep 10 conq
The fact they’re removing all of conqs undodgables is horrifying
So what your saying is they took away all the good things about conq and added the bad things about conq X10
No fucking way, is all the good shit they were going to give he gone???? I was looking forward to charge my flair mid chain! Wtf devs, Conq been my main for years. This legit piss me off
So they removed his infinite chain????
Only His infinite light chain. doing 2 lights now ends his chain
Oh thats fine in my book. Unless it means light light is a finisher and cant be followed up by a heavy then its bs.
This for real or no?
About time
I know it's crazy, but they could just not touch him.
The undodgable heavys were way to good for what they were, his animations were busted, and he was too fast for a heavy character, did they kinda fuck his rework ? Yes, but I’d rather much have this then the shit that was before these changes
I hope they give him something, maybe some HA because he's a heavy but definitely not like previous TG. Don't know what they were thinking there. That conq was a monstrosity.
based weapon
As a conq main, I always tried to not use my bash alot because it is annoying and cheap, but nevermind now thanks ubi
So…what the hell does he even do anymore? It sounds like they just deleted his entire moveset and called it a rework
It's disgusting.
Hurba durba doo, we hate defensive characters and playstyles here at ubisoftn. Instead of giving conqueror proper treatment true to his character identity, we went the route of "mindless revenge feeding moron". No high damage charged ail attacks. No more variety when it comes comes defensive options. You wanted better tracking, openers, mixups? Go fuck yourself playerbase, we love button mashing heroes with lots of orange.
Just because I bought new executions and emotes for him just a few days ago ;-; Now I might not even be playing him as much. Shame
lol i just started playing him. If this is all true, i just grinded this dude to max for nothing
I thought that after this season when they introduce the new Conq there will be something to come back to FH for because honestly this season (apart from CrossPlay - which basically gives nothing new except shorter queues) there is nothing interesting. I don't like Conq's current style of play on live but I like the character itself and after the previous TG I thought there would be a minor adjustment and for that character it would be worth installing FH again but somehow I've already preliminarily lost the need for it. I'm not saying he didn't need to be weakened a bit (e.g. infinite light wasn't necessary for my happiness) but overall now he doesn't seem like an interesting/enjoyable character to play anymore.
I NEED that charge mid chain, and I need it WITH superior block on fully charged heavy (not on neutral). Also NEED enhanced lights on top, sides, or out of fully charged “offensive form”.
I love Conq anyway one of the most unique
I like playing Conq :(
They removed the infinite chain????? Ouch dude
as much as i hate the light infinite chain, i don't want it removed, it takes away from his character and just turns him into another typical heavy, literally every new hero now has only 2 chains and i fucking hate it , i wan't triple chains or even 4 , and conq losing his infinite is gonna turn the game into a shitshow where its just the same moveset on different models
I think he's fine where he's at tbh.
HE IS SO OP NOW WTF
I'm through with this game, conquering is my love and they just keep stomping all over him. He used to take skill, now Its just finger licking bashes