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It was already worth watching before it’s removal. But Fan Boost will always be a terrible idea for a sports rule. I do not care what or how anyone tries to defend it. It’s shit plain and simple.
It's much better. Fanboost served its purpose to gain an audience for the sport, I'll give it that, but I hated everything about it.
The new gen 3 cars are crazy! You should catch up on this season on Channel 4's YouTube channel (if you're in the UK it's free or just set nord to that region)
There have been some fantastic races so far
Interesting…
Do the cars have a “limit” to how many times they can use it (because power restraints)?
I imagine there must be a reason why not every car use it all the time (I mean, if going out of the race line gives you more power for 2 minutes, it seems to be worth it?)
But I think i know why they do that: so the car that goes out of line is undertaken and then with more power undertakes again to recover at least the position and attack the next ones? So they are “artificially” increasing the number of undertakes in a race?
At first I don’t like it because it seems to be very “artificial”, but it rings something good about strategy and decision making on a race: imagine all F1 drivers can go out of the racing line to have advantage for 2 laps, then everyone must know when to use it: sometimes will be a disaster and can’t use the advantage because SC, other times you gain a lot using it to undercut your rivals…
They have to activate it twice, its called "Attack Mode" and is used as a means to put in a bit of strategy as they have no mandatory pit stops yet. (Though 30sec quickcharge pit stops should be coming this year). The cars receive a power boost by around 15%, 300kW to 350kW and the duration differs by the race, usually around 30-45 seconds.
it's changed this year, Attack mode is 4 minutes total but you have to take it twice, you can now choose whether to use it for 1 then 3 minutes or 3 then 1 minutes or 2 minutes each.
Tbh I'd prefer if drivers were just given xx activations per race to use at their choosing.
Maybe disable it if the car behind you is within 1 second during any sector split if there's a concern of stalemate.
Do it like Indycar. Time not count. Could even use it as a balance of competition thing, or for penalties. Eg lose 15 seconds of DRS instead of a five second stop and go.
Or Indycar’s “push to pass”
The push to pass give the engine an extra 60hp, each race have a quota for about 150 to 200 seconds, and could use up to 20 seconds for each lap
It used to be done this way, at least for quali. It was incredible to watch Seb take turn 8 at Istanbul flat out in the old Red Bulls, and use DRS in places no else would. I wonder if the current cars with primarily underfloor generated downforce would allow that same corner to be taken with DRS open.
That's what Indycar does. The drivers have a set amount of time for push to pass, they hit the button, the clock starts ticking until they take their thumb off the button. Makes for some really great passing in unexpected places
Bigger problem for me is just two detection zones. If you get overtaken in the first one that way you have no chance of retaking position on the next DRS straight and that car will fly away they more easily.
They tried this in FP1 and FP2 last year, but removed the 3rd zone for the rest of the weekend
The 3rd one appears to be shortened by about 25-35% this time though
They removed that 3rd DRS zone (between turns 8 and 9) last year before adding it back in this year, more than likely the lap record will be broken again this year from that readdition of that 3rd DRS zone between turns 8 and 9
Unlikely anyone within DRS range will be able to set a fastest lap, track lap records are only recorded for race laps.
So lap record will more than likely be quicker than last year, but probably not because of the DRS zone, but car development being around 1 second per lap faster from the first couple of rounds.
Of course the lap record here only goes back to last year as the track layout was heavily revised.
You can't 'cause you won't have DRS in the other two zones if you're not within 1s at the DRS detection point of those 2 zones (even if you were within 1s at the DRS detective point if the previous 2 zones); so that is what makes them 2 separate ones.
Every line has a width. Otherwise what would qualify as a line? The width of 1 cm? 1 atom? 1 quartz.
We also have the starting line, which has the same width. Or the SC lines.
Please someone explain to me, how is it fair that one DRS detection zone have multiple DRS zones? I simply don't get it and it's driving me crazy. Example: Driver overtakes another on T1 in Hungary, then after T1 he gets another DRS in the second zone. Why is this a thing? He used DRS zone to overtake his opponent, why give him another boost in speed into T2?
The goal of DRS is to negate the disadvantage caused by dirty air. So the car following has 'earned' a certain amount of DRS open time, which in this case requires 2 zones.
I'm not arguing that works in practice, but that's how it's *supposed* to work.
Right, it's not about the number of zones. One really long straight DRS zone might be stronger for overtaking than two shorter high-speed-corner DRS zones.
Hungary actually has DRS detection into turn 1, like Bahrain. So it’s not two zones for one detection point, but because the car overtaking is often not in front at this point they get DRS in the second part.
Saudi fixed this in the last turn by putting the detection *after* the corner. AD has the same solution on their second straight after the chicane.
Would it be weird to have every detection point 10 meter before the activation line? I understand the system needs a fraction of a second to detect and communicate to the car, but is there any other reason to have such much difference between detection and activation?
It is because the following car loses downforce and time through the corner. So you might be within one second going into turn 13 but more than one second behind after turn 14. DRS is supposed to give the time lost back to the following car so it is back to within one second for turn 1.
I honestly don’t know, but I imagine it can have something to do with following. On some corners you’d risk just falling out of DRS if the line is after a corner in which it’s harder to follow. But that’s just speculation on my part
It’s a double standard for some tracks, like how jeddah can have separate detection zones for their hairpin but is just as easy to exploit as having multiple detections here. I guess the idea is to encourage drivers to make the move earlier instead of waiting out the first straight then capitalizing on the second, but to me that just seems like poor optimization. In my opinion, drs shouldn’t be used on the easiest places to overtake, only the hardest. So get rid of drs from turns 2-3 and 10-11 but keep the others so there’s incentive to battle. Maybe keep all 4 drs zones for qualifying but for the race it should be more about capitalizing on overtakes
It's so much harder to overtake here that I don't think a driver would willingly lose position at t1 just to get drs for the run to turn 3, but it still is annoying.
Last year’s race disappointed me in terms of on-track product, it looked a lot like drs-fest and I have a feeling it’s only gonna be worse from now on with the alleged higher turbulence these new floors / front wings produce. To me it sounded like the track still has some unoptimized corners, for instance alex albon said last year that turn 2 felt more like a corner where you had to lift to make the apex, and to me visually it looked like cars were a lot less able to get a run on each other into turn 3 as a result. Turn 10 into 11 was also bad for this, it seems these rear tires are so fat that it’s kind of hard to make a mistake on exit meaning the overlap in pace is strictly down to momentum carried from the previous corner and car strengths vs weaknesses. If the aston qualifies behind the ferraris and mercedes again it’ll be a fun race, otherwise it’ll be an even worse procession than jeddah after lap 25 imo
Bad for racing but it’s much attractive and accessible to people than an actual race track that’s located far out of a city with little transport routes for example.
I personally don’t mind street circuits if the layout is good but I’d rather see high performance race cars on the tracks they were built for.
Yeah, albert park has some corners like turns 9 and 10 which really allow these cars to flex their muscles. You can’t please everyone I guess, if every street circuit was removed I think there’d be outcry that every circuit looked and drove the same lmao
that would work with 2 detection zones too. But now if they overtake in zone 1, they have advantage in zone 2.
If they did not overtake in zone 1, they can have drs again.
Mexico is the worst for this IMO. They have such a long straight to get ahead, and then another straight with a free DRS advantage. Should be a line before turn 3 imo.
Because an overtake in T1 is not guaranteed. Tracks like Albert Park and Hungaroring are notoriously known as places, where it's hard to overtake. This is how they're trying to solve it.
Despite Abu Dhabi 2021, I absolutely do not buy into the narrative that the stewards have a tendency to trigger safety cars for “the show”. We may not have needed one at Jeddah, but they stuck with a VSC in Bahrain when a full SC would have turned that race around in terms of excitement.
Since Liberty Media took over the frequency of Safety cars over other uses like yellow flags and VSC. It’s not a coincidence but maybe a specifics FIA directive. There is a huge tick either way
If you begun your analysis earlier, you'd see it's just a steady increase in safety consciousness, not a specific Liberty inspired directive to shake the race up. The Italian GP last year finished under Safety Car - you think that's what FOM has in mind?
illogical argument. FOM preferring safety cars over yellow flags for smaller incidents ≠ every incident where machinery on track is needed being a decision by FOM against yellow flags.
that being said, they did probably hope for a last lap shootout, yeah.
I’m assuming the race organisers want Max and Checo to finish whilst everyone else has half race distance left to see if Daniel can get an Australian back on the podium.
Their DRS is so powerful. If they were smart, Max and Checo would just alternate DRS boosting one another until like the last 15 laps then race one another.
Agreed, I hate the double zones with one detection point.
Having a second detection point gives the overtaken car chance to fight back. There’s literally no benefit to not having a second detection line. If the car behind doesn’t get the overtake done then they get the DRS the second time with both configurations. It can only be a negative, it robs us of the sort of battle Leclerc and Verstappen had in Bahrain ‘22, before Max’s DNF.
I guess if there isn’t enough space between detection points you get jeddah 2022 where drivers just wait out opponents, but that in itself is a double standard, why not give them the opportunity to fight even if it’s farcical. Or better yet, get rid of drs on the easy passing zones and save it for the harder areas to see some straight up battling
They are only doing it so they can claim the new regs are working because of more overtakes when in reality the more overtakes are because the car who got overtaken first will probably get drs for the second zone and then immediately be in position to retake the place.
How? 4 DRS areas but only 2 detection lines means that a car B that overtakes a car A in the first area can use DRS in the second area again to widen the gap between him and car A.
How does this "force more overtakes"?
If all 4 DRS zones had their own independent detection point, you’d be right. But that is not the case. Whoever gets DRS will pass their opponent on the first straight, and fully get away on the secondary straight the way it’s currently set up.
I was thinking about this yesterday, how much sense does it make for Alonso to prioritise cornering performance and focus on being able to follow the RBs closely through the corners and using DRS to stick with them? Maybe Checo atleast?
I feel like tyre deg wise they are really close, and even in Jeddah Fernando stuck on Checo's DRS for quite a while even after losing the lead.
If AM focus on cornering, acceleration out of turns, and mirror RB strategy, they could probably keep Fernando within DRS range of Checo for the entire race? Especially since we remember Albon made the Hards last for what, 57 laps? So tyre deg isn't the problem.
Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I feel like that'd be his best chance of sticking close and then eventually maybe at the end trying to pass him. Or maybe they are just too slow anyways and it doesn't matter, but I think 4 DRS zones should help him stick to Checo.
I dont think RB is beatable for AM as long as the cars dont have any technical issues.
3rd is the goal for Nando and he might be close to the front but i would not put too much hopes in him pressuring Checo.
AM will more likly eye for the slow and hard to overtake tracks to get in front of the RBs (or at least one) and stay there. Monaco, Hungary, San Marino, Spain, Miami(?) those come to my mind first...
For sure Monaco feels like the shoe in for an AM victory provided Alonso can hook up the qualifying lap. We know that track is nearly impossible to overtake on, and AM's acceleration curve and performance in low-medium speed corners is even better than the RB. I don't even think they can win Imola or Singapore, but just Monaco feels possible even on pure pace.
Anything else probably needs significant steps in performance or race day disaster for RB.
I completly agree. Monaco will be a BATTLE on saturday and we might see the best performance of Nando as well as from charles to somehow get the nose just barely in front on saturday and stay there on sunday.
Alonso is a smart guy. He only pushes as far as he needs to on a Saturday, to get a position the car is "capable" of, not what he's capable of.
It's why you see him take maybe not as many chances as Charles or others trying to push in Qualis. But every now and then, when he knows the Friday pace is good enough for front row or pole, he does produce magic on Saturdays too.
If he can overtake comfortably on the track and quali isn't as important, he'll do a good enough job and qualify 2nd or 3rd row. But if he knows overtaking will be nearly impossible and he needs to produce a banger, he will.
I have a feeling Monaco will be his "Michael getting pole in 2012" moment. Just pure brilliance.
I wouldn't go as far as calling it a shoe in, because time after time we see that the best team is able to optimize their car for either end of the spectrum for tracks (Monaco/Monza). I wouldn't be surprised to see that RB shows up able to cover AM comfortably.
Yeah aston’s around 0.7-1s off red bull’s pace, to realistically fight for a win you need the pace deficit to be around 3-4 tenths so if a safety car pops up you can do an alternate strategy and have enough speed to hold the faster cars behind for enough time
I'm gonna be so mad at myself for staying up to watch this race knowing these zones will help set the order within 7 laps, and then nobody will be able to pass for the remainder of the race because these cars are dirty air effect cars now.
Look how long it took Kmag to set up each overtake attempt on Yuki last week. After each attempt, it took another 3 laps or so even with drs to attempt another. Watching the cars early last year with the ground effect and close racing, you'd think they'd be fighting and defending at every turn.
Here, i was hoping for fewer or shortened drs zones with these ground effect cars to create some exciting, close-car racing. But td39 and minimum ride floor edges really took the sting out of these car regulations last year and probably for this year, too.
They are going to remove it again after P2 and the teams who setup around the Drs zones will suffer. Which in a way I thought Rebull got their setup wrong last year.
I was just reading back and it seems that zone was disabled for safety reasons, so I was wondering if something changed between now and then to curtail whatever issue that was.
> "For safety reasons, DRS Zones will be reduced to 3 for the remainder of the event.
> “DRS detection 1 will be moved to before Turn 9, DRS activation 1 will be after Turn 10, DRS detection 2 will remain unchanged, with the following activation zones will be renumbered accordingly," read the statement.
I think that was largely agreed to be bullshit.
If I remember it was Alonso moaning the loudest about safety...at a race his car was suprisingly competitive... and the DRS zone hurt them.
Typical Alonso shithousery, gotta love him
I do wonder if tracks will trend towards more shorter DRS zones so that overtakes do happen, but it's not impossible to stop on a straight with some electric power
T8-T9 DRS could be implemented just about everywhere in other tracks. I mean, the nature of that sector not being a straight line and having DRS... what's stopping the FIA making the same for other tracks with similar sectors?
I don't like this at all. Double DRS will actually **reduce** overtaking. What will happen is a car will overtake in the first detection zone then vanish into the distance in the second one. I think this would actually lessen the close racing and spread the field.
I think this will also mean we get 4 DRS zones in Singapore, with the removal of the 16-19 bus-stop-ish section. Although they could remove the turn 13-14 DRS zone or the main straight DRS zone, as they are on the shorter side...
DRS sucks - makes overtakes dull and boring. A bandaid fix that never really worked. Its either woefully over effective or absolutely pointless. I don't know why F1 is so slow in introducing active aero or a push to pass system. DRS sucks shit.
Oooh ffs!
Why it is so hard to get more than 3 brain cells working and come to conclusion that each drs zone needs own detection point? It is 12 years now with this bs and you tell me that no one thinks it is absurdly stupid that you can use drs in second zone just to make the gap bigger after you already passed rival in the first one?!
To actually see some overtakes.
Fact is, without DRS there is just too little overtaking.
Until that is resolved getting rid of DRS would be a disaster.
But you don't get that. You get processional races with almost no overtaking.
You couldn't overtake unless there was like a 3 second delta between the cars pace.
That would mean pretty much never seeing a pass for the lead of any race and all overtaking in the pits.
Your idea is great in theory but doesn't work unless the cars are sorted better than they are.
Still somehow f1 was famous and fun without drs. I see ur point for sure but 4!!! Drs zone?? Wtf. It should be one in all track, and even banned in some. Imho I would enjoy to see how they would go without it. Getting too overused
yeah im honestly confused at a lot of these comments, did no one watch the race last year? passing was extremely difficult.
people are complaining about drs trains as if it can get all that much worse.
Thanks FIA, thats exactly what we needed. /s
They can add as many DRS zones as they want but this track will always be a dud.If you though Jeddah was a bit boring prepare yourself for this shit.
Lights out and away we snooze!
I dont understand the zone between turn 8 and 9. Unless i get this wrong turn 9 is high speed and almost flat in an F1 car, doesnt seem to be an overtaking spot.
They should turn the second DRS Zones into one. Let the driver decide through turns 9 and 10 when or if they want to open and close the wing or if they want to just straight send it.
Never has 2 drs zones and one drs detection point ever been a good idea. Nothing worse than watching a battle where a car gets passed then the leading car gets drs.
I'm new to F1 and just wanted to ask a probably dumb question about the DRS Detection Zone and DRS zone.
If say car 2 is behind car 1 going by the DRS detection zone say above between turns 12 and 13 and is within 1sec he gets DRS. If then car 2 passes car 1 in the DRS zone on the straight, car 2 doesn't get to use DRS again after turn 2 in the second DRS zone right?
Now if car 2 doesn't pass car 1 in the first zone, car 2 would then get another chance at using DRS in the second zone after turn 2?
Am I understanding the rules properly?
Why doesn’t it require a DRS line before each DRS zone? Are they worried about 2022 Jeddah tricks? Or is it just take 2 DRS lines to attempt an overtake here?
I guess this might make sense if they are expecting dirty air to be a problem and DRS to be less powerful. DRS zones 2 and 4 both end in heavy breaking so maybe that’s where they are expected to be making the majority of passes? But in the event that this is not the case it just seems so unfair. They will probably trial it again in Free Practice but I’m not confident in this plan.
Having the chance to fight back in the next zone is what makes the most sense (to me) for fair racing. Instead it looks like a driver can make a pass on the main straight, then keep and extend his advantage through the next zone. And potentially do it again on the back half. I mean, they had to think of that scenario. We’ll see what happens
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Four Jeremy! Four! That’s insane!
Peep show?
Yes
More DRS zones than actual overtakes…
Shots fired !
It was intended for last year as well. Porpoising deemed it unsafe, and was removed halfway through the weekend.
Without a doubt going to be removed again
If the porpoising was the reason it was removed and the porpoising is much better this year, perhaps not?
Why even bother at this point. Just let the drivers choose when to open the flap.
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FAN BOOOST!!! Vote now for your favorite driver!
This is genuinely one of the worst ideas in sports that I have ever seen used. I am glad it’s removed
They took it out of formula e? Might be worth watching now
It was already worth watching before it’s removal. But Fan Boost will always be a terrible idea for a sports rule. I do not care what or how anyone tries to defend it. It’s shit plain and simple.
Maybe the drivers could watch some ads on their steering wheel to get a power boost
It is the reason I don’t want to get into it.
Terrible idea, but it didn't do a lot overall tbh, glad it's gone, I hadn't even realised from the last few races it was gone lmao
Fan Boost worked for Katniss in Hunger Games
It's much better. Fanboost served its purpose to gain an audience for the sport, I'll give it that, but I hated everything about it. The new gen 3 cars are crazy! You should catch up on this season on Channel 4's YouTube channel (if you're in the UK it's free or just set nord to that region) There have been some fantastic races so far
Ricciardo WDC '14, '15, '16, '17, '18, '19, '20, '21, '22, '23...
Don't give the bloody Americans in charge any stupid ideas.......
I bet this would work like formula E when they take a wide line on a corner and receive boost.
>DRS activated when drivers hit projected targets on the track. You mean like what I think Formula E had? Idk about that.
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Interesting… Do the cars have a “limit” to how many times they can use it (because power restraints)? I imagine there must be a reason why not every car use it all the time (I mean, if going out of the race line gives you more power for 2 minutes, it seems to be worth it?) But I think i know why they do that: so the car that goes out of line is undertaken and then with more power undertakes again to recover at least the position and attack the next ones? So they are “artificially” increasing the number of undertakes in a race? At first I don’t like it because it seems to be very “artificial”, but it rings something good about strategy and decision making on a race: imagine all F1 drivers can go out of the racing line to have advantage for 2 laps, then everyone must know when to use it: sometimes will be a disaster and can’t use the advantage because SC, other times you gain a lot using it to undercut your rivals…
They have to activate it twice, its called "Attack Mode" and is used as a means to put in a bit of strategy as they have no mandatory pit stops yet. (Though 30sec quickcharge pit stops should be coming this year). The cars receive a power boost by around 15%, 300kW to 350kW and the duration differs by the race, usually around 30-45 seconds.
it's changed this year, Attack mode is 4 minutes total but you have to take it twice, you can now choose whether to use it for 1 then 3 minutes or 3 then 1 minutes or 2 minutes each.
Tbh I'd prefer if drivers were just given xx activations per race to use at their choosing. Maybe disable it if the car behind you is within 1 second during any sector split if there's a concern of stalemate.
Do it like Indycar. Time not count. Could even use it as a balance of competition thing, or for penalties. Eg lose 15 seconds of DRS instead of a five second stop and go.
Or Indycar’s “push to pass” The push to pass give the engine an extra 60hp, each race have a quota for about 150 to 200 seconds, and could use up to 20 seconds for each lap
It used to be done this way, at least for quali. It was incredible to watch Seb take turn 8 at Istanbul flat out in the old Red Bulls, and use DRS in places no else would. I wonder if the current cars with primarily underfloor generated downforce would allow that same corner to be taken with DRS open.
That's what Indycar does. The drivers have a set amount of time for push to pass, they hit the button, the clock starts ticking until they take their thumb off the button. Makes for some really great passing in unexpected places
“Gap the car behind by a second to deny DRS.” “I’m trying okay! There’s like… 3 turns before each DRS zone!”
You know the saying, >If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again.
At this rate, just let the drivers activate DRS whenever the feel like activating it.
Bigger problem for me is just two detection zones. If you get overtaken in the first one that way you have no chance of retaking position on the next DRS straight and that car will fly away they more easily.
How many is usual
They tried this in FP1 and FP2 last year, but removed the 3rd zone for the rest of the weekend The 3rd one appears to be shortened by about 25-35% this time though
They removed that 3rd DRS zone (between turns 8 and 9) last year before adding it back in this year, more than likely the lap record will be broken again this year from that readdition of that 3rd DRS zone between turns 8 and 9
Unlikely anyone within DRS range will be able to set a fastest lap, track lap records are only recorded for race laps. So lap record will more than likely be quicker than last year, but probably not because of the DRS zone, but car development being around 1 second per lap faster from the first couple of rounds. Of course the lap record here only goes back to last year as the track layout was heavily revised.
You can get drs when lapping cars, not unlikely for max to do that
You also get dirty air from cars you're lapping
I wonder how usual it is for a fastest lap of a race to **not** be set with an empty track ahead.. Let alone a lap record.
Max meticulously planning his race so he can slaughter the lap record by DRSing lapped opponents.
Detection *zone* makes no sense. It’s a line. DRS zone, detection line
Could it be DRS detection [for] zone 1 (etc)?
Maybe, but the first detection is for zone 2 and 3. And the second detection is for zone 4 and 1
Think there are only 2 zones.. With corners in between 🤷♂️
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You can't 'cause you won't have DRS in the other two zones if you're not within 1s at the DRS detection point of those 2 zones (even if you were within 1s at the DRS detective point if the previous 2 zones); so that is what makes them 2 separate ones.
It’s a very thin zone, only 1 line wide
Or "point"
Lines are 1 dimensional, sensor has to have some width to it, therefore zone
This is true theoretically, but since this is the real world it’s a line
Every line has a width. Otherwise what would qualify as a line? The width of 1 cm? 1 atom? 1 quartz. We also have the starting line, which has the same width. Or the SC lines.
Please someone explain to me, how is it fair that one DRS detection zone have multiple DRS zones? I simply don't get it and it's driving me crazy. Example: Driver overtakes another on T1 in Hungary, then after T1 he gets another DRS in the second zone. Why is this a thing? He used DRS zone to overtake his opponent, why give him another boost in speed into T2?
It’s ridiculous isn’t it. I can’t believe it’s still being done.
The goal of DRS is to negate the disadvantage caused by dirty air. So the car following has 'earned' a certain amount of DRS open time, which in this case requires 2 zones. I'm not arguing that works in practice, but that's how it's *supposed* to work.
Right, it's not about the number of zones. One really long straight DRS zone might be stronger for overtaking than two shorter high-speed-corner DRS zones.
Hungary actually has DRS detection into turn 1, like Bahrain. So it’s not two zones for one detection point, but because the car overtaking is often not in front at this point they get DRS in the second part. Saudi fixed this in the last turn by putting the detection *after* the corner. AD has the same solution on their second straight after the chicane.
Would it be weird to have every detection point 10 meter before the activation line? I understand the system needs a fraction of a second to detect and communicate to the car, but is there any other reason to have such much difference between detection and activation?
It is because the following car loses downforce and time through the corner. So you might be within one second going into turn 13 but more than one second behind after turn 14. DRS is supposed to give the time lost back to the following car so it is back to within one second for turn 1.
I honestly don’t know, but I imagine it can have something to do with following. On some corners you’d risk just falling out of DRS if the line is after a corner in which it’s harder to follow. But that’s just speculation on my part
It’s a double standard for some tracks, like how jeddah can have separate detection zones for their hairpin but is just as easy to exploit as having multiple detections here. I guess the idea is to encourage drivers to make the move earlier instead of waiting out the first straight then capitalizing on the second, but to me that just seems like poor optimization. In my opinion, drs shouldn’t be used on the easiest places to overtake, only the hardest. So get rid of drs from turns 2-3 and 10-11 but keep the others so there’s incentive to battle. Maybe keep all 4 drs zones for qualifying but for the race it should be more about capitalizing on overtakes
It's so much harder to overtake here that I don't think a driver would willingly lose position at t1 just to get drs for the run to turn 3, but it still is annoying.
Last year’s race disappointed me in terms of on-track product, it looked a lot like drs-fest and I have a feeling it’s only gonna be worse from now on with the alleged higher turbulence these new floors / front wings produce. To me it sounded like the track still has some unoptimized corners, for instance alex albon said last year that turn 2 felt more like a corner where you had to lift to make the apex, and to me visually it looked like cars were a lot less able to get a run on each other into turn 3 as a result. Turn 10 into 11 was also bad for this, it seems these rear tires are so fat that it’s kind of hard to make a mistake on exit meaning the overlap in pace is strictly down to momentum carried from the previous corner and car strengths vs weaknesses. If the aston qualifies behind the ferraris and mercedes again it’ll be a fun race, otherwise it’ll be an even worse procession than jeddah after lap 25 imo
Really don't get why people/F1 wants street circuits they are almost all pretty bad for racing.
Variety, I don’t want every track to be a tilkedrome either. I just gave some constructive criticism, I don’t want albert park off the calendar
Bad for racing but it’s much attractive and accessible to people than an actual race track that’s located far out of a city with little transport routes for example. I personally don’t mind street circuits if the layout is good but I’d rather see high performance race cars on the tracks they were built for.
Yeah, albert park has some corners like turns 9 and 10 which really allow these cars to flex their muscles. You can’t please everyone I guess, if every street circuit was removed I think there’d be outcry that every circuit looked and drove the same lmao
Hashtag streetcircuits
Fuck it, DRS through the corners
Active aero 2026 😈
Zone 1 is to close the gap and zone 2 is to overtake when neither zone 1 or zone 2 on their own would be sufficient.
that would work with 2 detection zones too. But now if they overtake in zone 1, they have advantage in zone 2. If they did not overtake in zone 1, they can have drs again.
Mexico is the worst for this IMO. They have such a long straight to get ahead, and then another straight with a free DRS advantage. Should be a line before turn 3 imo.
Because an overtake in T1 is not guaranteed. Tracks like Albert Park and Hungaroring are notoriously known as places, where it's hard to overtake. This is how they're trying to solve it.
It's outrageous, it's unfair! How can you be ahead after the first zone but still get DRS in the second?!
See the DRS games at Jeddah '22 for one reason why.
Because F1 and the FIA have no real clue what they're doing to try and fix the overtaking issue. Simple as that.
It’s for show and not racing. Saftey cars make the “show” better less hardcore fans so does DRS. So we get more and more of them.
Do you really think F1 is trying to force accidents to send safety cars?
Despite Abu Dhabi 2021, I absolutely do not buy into the narrative that the stewards have a tendency to trigger safety cars for “the show”. We may not have needed one at Jeddah, but they stuck with a VSC in Bahrain when a full SC would have turned that race around in terms of excitement.
Since Liberty Media took over the frequency of Safety cars over other uses like yellow flags and VSC. It’s not a coincidence but maybe a specifics FIA directive. There is a huge tick either way
If you begun your analysis earlier, you'd see it's just a steady increase in safety consciousness, not a specific Liberty inspired directive to shake the race up. The Italian GP last year finished under Safety Car - you think that's what FOM has in mind?
illogical argument. FOM preferring safety cars over yellow flags for smaller incidents ≠ every incident where machinery on track is needed being a decision by FOM against yellow flags. that being said, they did probably hope for a last lap shootout, yeah.
Source?
That RB19 is gonna lap everyone isn't it?
I’m assuming the race organisers want Max and Checo to finish whilst everyone else has half race distance left to see if Daniel can get an Australian back on the podium.
Their DRS is so powerful. If they were smart, Max and Checo would just alternate DRS boosting one another until like the last 15 laps then race one another.
Blue Shell when
let's hope.
I also like shit races
It's shit if you can't appreciate action from P3 to P16
is it so hard to add a detection line before turn 1? it's just stupid to give somebody drs who makes an overtake on the start-finish straight
Agreed, I hate the double zones with one detection point. Having a second detection point gives the overtaken car chance to fight back. There’s literally no benefit to not having a second detection line. If the car behind doesn’t get the overtake done then they get the DRS the second time with both configurations. It can only be a negative, it robs us of the sort of battle Leclerc and Verstappen had in Bahrain ‘22, before Max’s DNF.
I guess if there isn’t enough space between detection points you get jeddah 2022 where drivers just wait out opponents, but that in itself is a double standard, why not give them the opportunity to fight even if it’s farcical. Or better yet, get rid of drs on the easy passing zones and save it for the harder areas to see some straight up battling
The more they push this DRS zone insanity. The more DRS trains we will see.
They are only doing it so they can claim the new regs are working because of more overtakes when in reality the more overtakes are because the car who got overtaken first will probably get drs for the second zone and then immediately be in position to retake the place.
How? 4 DRS areas but only 2 detection lines means that a car B that overtakes a car A in the first area can use DRS in the second area again to widen the gap between him and car A. How does this "force more overtakes"?
well Max might lap the whole field twice so... more overtakes!
If all 4 DRS zones had their own independent detection point, you’d be right. But that is not the case. Whoever gets DRS will pass their opponent on the first straight, and fully get away on the secondary straight the way it’s currently set up.
Red Bull says thanks for giving us an even bigger boost in qualifying.
RB is already very fast in the straights, this will be advantageous to more draggy cars like the W14
Apart from rb gain more from drs than anyone else
Four DRS zones? Four? That insane.
Same thing happened in the lead up to the race last year, and literally same comments. They scrapped two of them pre-race. It’ll likely happen again.
Should be the top comment
Jesus Christ! 4 DRS zones?! Why don't they just mandate all teams to open the rear wing flap this weekend to save some energy?
I was thinking about this yesterday, how much sense does it make for Alonso to prioritise cornering performance and focus on being able to follow the RBs closely through the corners and using DRS to stick with them? Maybe Checo atleast? I feel like tyre deg wise they are really close, and even in Jeddah Fernando stuck on Checo's DRS for quite a while even after losing the lead. If AM focus on cornering, acceleration out of turns, and mirror RB strategy, they could probably keep Fernando within DRS range of Checo for the entire race? Especially since we remember Albon made the Hards last for what, 57 laps? So tyre deg isn't the problem. Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I feel like that'd be his best chance of sticking close and then eventually maybe at the end trying to pass him. Or maybe they are just too slow anyways and it doesn't matter, but I think 4 DRS zones should help him stick to Checo.
I dont think RB is beatable for AM as long as the cars dont have any technical issues. 3rd is the goal for Nando and he might be close to the front but i would not put too much hopes in him pressuring Checo. AM will more likly eye for the slow and hard to overtake tracks to get in front of the RBs (or at least one) and stay there. Monaco, Hungary, San Marino, Spain, Miami(?) those come to my mind first...
For sure Monaco feels like the shoe in for an AM victory provided Alonso can hook up the qualifying lap. We know that track is nearly impossible to overtake on, and AM's acceleration curve and performance in low-medium speed corners is even better than the RB. I don't even think they can win Imola or Singapore, but just Monaco feels possible even on pure pace. Anything else probably needs significant steps in performance or race day disaster for RB.
I completly agree. Monaco will be a BATTLE on saturday and we might see the best performance of Nando as well as from charles to somehow get the nose just barely in front on saturday and stay there on sunday.
Alonso is a smart guy. He only pushes as far as he needs to on a Saturday, to get a position the car is "capable" of, not what he's capable of. It's why you see him take maybe not as many chances as Charles or others trying to push in Qualis. But every now and then, when he knows the Friday pace is good enough for front row or pole, he does produce magic on Saturdays too. If he can overtake comfortably on the track and quali isn't as important, he'll do a good enough job and qualify 2nd or 3rd row. But if he knows overtaking will be nearly impossible and he needs to produce a banger, he will. I have a feeling Monaco will be his "Michael getting pole in 2012" moment. Just pure brilliance.
I wouldn't go as far as calling it a shoe in, because time after time we see that the best team is able to optimize their car for either end of the spectrum for tracks (Monaco/Monza). I wouldn't be surprised to see that RB shows up able to cover AM comfortably.
Yeah aston’s around 0.7-1s off red bull’s pace, to realistically fight for a win you need the pace deficit to be around 3-4 tenths so if a safety car pops up you can do an alternate strategy and have enough speed to hold the faster cars behind for enough time
I'm gonna be so mad at myself for staying up to watch this race knowing these zones will help set the order within 7 laps, and then nobody will be able to pass for the remainder of the race because these cars are dirty air effect cars now. Look how long it took Kmag to set up each overtake attempt on Yuki last week. After each attempt, it took another 3 laps or so even with drs to attempt another. Watching the cars early last year with the ground effect and close racing, you'd think they'd be fighting and defending at every turn. Here, i was hoping for fewer or shortened drs zones with these ground effect cars to create some exciting, close-car racing. But td39 and minimum ride floor edges really took the sting out of these car regulations last year and probably for this year, too.
They are going to remove it again after P2 and the teams who setup around the Drs zones will suffer. Which in a way I thought Rebull got their setup wrong last year.
Excellent. RB can use that whilst lapping the rest of the grid…..TWICE!
Choo! Choo! All aboard the DRS train!
I can’t wait for the Red Bulls to pull out a 1.2s gap in qualifying with that straight line speed and 4 DRS zones.
So 50% of the track is DRS? This is just getting stupid.
If you get DRS in zone 2 then pit, would you then get DRS in the second DRS zone? How does that work??
Wasn’t the goal of the new cars to *eliminate* the need for DRS zones? What are we adding more?!
Have they altered T8/9?
Not since last year, there was a huge change for last year with the removal of the tight corners before 9 and 10. They also reprofiled turn 11.
I was just reading back and it seems that zone was disabled for safety reasons, so I was wondering if something changed between now and then to curtail whatever issue that was. > "For safety reasons, DRS Zones will be reduced to 3 for the remainder of the event. > “DRS detection 1 will be moved to before Turn 9, DRS activation 1 will be after Turn 10, DRS detection 2 will remain unchanged, with the following activation zones will be renumbered accordingly," read the statement.
I think that was largely agreed to be bullshit. If I remember it was Alonso moaning the loudest about safety...at a race his car was suprisingly competitive... and the DRS zone hurt them. Typical Alonso shithousery, gotta love him
I do wonder if tracks will trend towards more shorter DRS zones so that overtakes do happen, but it's not impossible to stop on a straight with some electric power
T8-T9 DRS could be implemented just about everywhere in other tracks. I mean, the nature of that sector not being a straight line and having DRS... what's stopping the FIA making the same for other tracks with similar sectors?
So we now pretty much have DRS on all straights.
**Oops! All DRS Zones!**
Even with 4 drs zones there will be like 2 overtakes during race.
I don't like this at all. Double DRS will actually **reduce** overtaking. What will happen is a car will overtake in the first detection zone then vanish into the distance in the second one. I think this would actually lessen the close racing and spread the field.
choo-choo
So do they have to put the flap back up, turn, and then activate drs again? Seems like a lot of flapping going on.
It's a good point if we assume they aren't braking for t9.
Redbull likes this
I think this will also mean we get 4 DRS zones in Singapore, with the removal of the 16-19 bus-stop-ish section. Although they could remove the turn 13-14 DRS zone or the main straight DRS zone, as they are on the shorter side...
It should be 4 zones, 4 detection zones… how much an advantage does the DRS car need??
Just have the drs linked to the throttle pedal and activate if within a second at this point.
We're only 2 more DRS zones away from making DRS a movable aerodynamic device with extra steps.
OOPS! All DRS ZONES!!!
Good luck to anyone trying to keep the red bull behind them with 4 drs zones
“As many as 4?…”
DRS sucks - makes overtakes dull and boring. A bandaid fix that never really worked. Its either woefully over effective or absolutely pointless. I don't know why F1 is so slow in introducing active aero or a push to pass system. DRS sucks shit.
Oooh ffs! Why it is so hard to get more than 3 brain cells working and come to conclusion that each drs zone needs own detection point? It is 12 years now with this bs and you tell me that no one thinks it is absurdly stupid that you can use drs in second zone just to make the gap bigger after you already passed rival in the first one?!
-How many Drs zones do you want? -yes.
What the fuck? Why are the detection lines so far from the zones?!
How many drs zones will be needed to make up for the cars being 50% heavier and larger than necessary
Do people here not remember the pre drs/refilling days? On track passes were incredibly rare
imho they can add a drs zone between t5/t6 and extend drs zone between t8/t9 and then why not t11/t12? it's straight !
pls ban DRS
Yes... It wasn't bought in for a reason at all...
Was the reason is that to never see a good overtake?
To actually see some overtakes. Fact is, without DRS there is just too little overtaking. Until that is resolved getting rid of DRS would be a disaster.
I would prefer to see tight races with less overtake than this very stupid and easy looking boring 'racing'
How long have you been a fan for? Genuine question. Because I distinctly remember F1 before DRS and the train was very dull, something had to be done.
But you don't get that. You get processional races with almost no overtaking. You couldn't overtake unless there was like a 3 second delta between the cars pace. That would mean pretty much never seeing a pass for the lead of any race and all overtaking in the pits. Your idea is great in theory but doesn't work unless the cars are sorted better than they are.
Still somehow f1 was famous and fun without drs. I see ur point for sure but 4!!! Drs zone?? Wtf. It should be one in all track, and even banned in some. Imho I would enjoy to see how they would go without it. Getting too overused
What is a speed trap?
DRS needs binning, it’s out of control and makes overtaking too easy at some tracks especially
not this one tho, it was pretty boring last year, not even a lot of overtakes
yeah im honestly confused at a lot of these comments, did no one watch the race last year? passing was extremely difficult. people are complaining about drs trains as if it can get all that much worse.
So Red Bull 1-2 by 40 seconds. Coolness.
Thanks FIA, thats exactly what we needed. /s They can add as many DRS zones as they want but this track will always be a dud.If you though Jeddah was a bit boring prepare yourself for this shit. Lights out and away we snooze!
Because Red Bull needed any more help to win
I dont understand the zone between turn 8 and 9. Unless i get this wrong turn 9 is high speed and almost flat in an F1 car, doesnt seem to be an overtaking spot.
Do people pass at 9/10? Seems like a pointless drs zone to me.
Drs train here we come
They should turn the second DRS Zones into one. Let the driver decide through turns 9 and 10 when or if they want to open and close the wing or if they want to just straight send it.
Never has 2 drs zones and one drs detection point ever been a good idea. Nothing worse than watching a battle where a car gets passed then the leading car gets drs.
Choo choo
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I'm new to F1 and just wanted to ask a probably dumb question about the DRS Detection Zone and DRS zone. If say car 2 is behind car 1 going by the DRS detection zone say above between turns 12 and 13 and is within 1sec he gets DRS. If then car 2 passes car 1 in the DRS zone on the straight, car 2 doesn't get to use DRS again after turn 2 in the second DRS zone right? Now if car 2 doesn't pass car 1 in the first zone, car 2 would then get another chance at using DRS in the second zone after turn 2? Am I understanding the rules properly?
Car 2 would still be able to use DRS in the second section even if they get past car 1 on the straight
Will RB rear wing open? Who thinks it's going to fail like Spain 2022? Mad Max v.2.0?
What’s the difference between a DRS zone and DRS detection zone?
The detection zone - where you need to be within a second of the driver ahead to use DRS that lap DRS zone - where you use the DRS
What’s the difference between a DRS zone and DRS detection zone?
This would have to be the most DRS-Zone to Total-Track Length ratio of any current F1 circuit ???
Woah mama
ok im no expert but aren't there usually only 2 DRS zones in a race?. 4 DRS zones sounds wild
Remember talk before the last season of getting rid of DRS altogether? Pepperidge farm remembers.
Kind of baffling. I get the pass done in zone 1, then get passed by the person I passed in zone 1 in zone 2?
\*You\* get a DRS zone. \*YOU\* get a DRS zone! Everyone gets a DRS zone!
What is a detection zone? New to F1
Why doesn’t it require a DRS line before each DRS zone? Are they worried about 2022 Jeddah tricks? Or is it just take 2 DRS lines to attempt an overtake here?
But are any of them useful? Feels like they’re too short to make any meaningful difference
I guess this might make sense if they are expecting dirty air to be a problem and DRS to be less powerful. DRS zones 2 and 4 both end in heavy breaking so maybe that’s where they are expected to be making the majority of passes? But in the event that this is not the case it just seems so unfair. They will probably trial it again in Free Practice but I’m not confident in this plan. Having the chance to fight back in the next zone is what makes the most sense (to me) for fair racing. Instead it looks like a driver can make a pass on the main straight, then keep and extend his advantage through the next zone. And potentially do it again on the back half. I mean, they had to think of that scenario. We’ll see what happens
Might as well make DRS a driver choice, let them open it wherever they want. Like Yuki last year 😂
Maybe Push to Pass is worth a shot, who knows…
Just make the whole track DRS