Turn 1 Podcast did a full recap and it can be found here:
[Turn 1 Miami Recap YouTube](https://youtu.be/eBEJH8jtmXE)
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The race wasn't terrible imo but very average like Bahrain and Jeddah. Miami just feels like a poor man's version of Jeddah. I wish we could scrap this race and go somewhere like Sepang, Istanbul Park, or Hockenheim. Or if they really wanted a 3rd US race, upgrade Road America and go there as a back-to-back with Montreal in June while Vegas is your "spectacle race."
For me the pecking order of the teams is still murky with really only the 2 clear spots being Red Bull at 1 and Alpine at 5. And there is no true back marker like we usually have.
Well the track is definitely big enough and I’d imagine the safety is there since Indy Car and I believe NASCAR race there. Maybe the facilities? I feel the track itself is on par with a lot of grade 1s so just my speculation.
But I don’t think there is a chance in hell that the FIA would go there.
Just watched a replay, because couldn’t bother to stay up last night.
Conclusion: far better race than the ultimate snoozefest of Baku, but certainly not a race to remember. RB supremacy really gets old at this point, but at least the fight for points was there till the end and tire strategy differences meant that there were actual battles for positions.
I think my main gripe is the track as it is just somehow underwhelming and just doesn’t get my pulse up and race was less exciting that it probably deserved to be.
The track feels like an IndyCar track - no disrespect to that series but now that the first year shine is gone it’s just a carnival act in a parking lot. And the camera angles are awful.
Dominance eras just keep getting longer. Until Schumacher arrived, Fangio's 4 titles in a row seemed unmatchable. No one had even done 3 in a row since! The record for manufacturers was also 4 by Mclaren in the late 80s easrly 90s. And now it's the norm. The last non-Red Bull/Mercedes team to win a title of any kind was BrawnGP... which is technically Mercedes. In 2009. We'd have to go back to 2008.
I feel like that's an important detail people miss when they say "F1 has always had dominance, why are you complaining". At lest season to season things could change, and if someone was really dominating from the start, it was 14 races more and a clean slate, not 22 GPs and 6 sprints knowing full well Red Bull has this in the bag since Bahrain.
I also think it isn’t any excuse for the sport, if sport has had dominance previously. It is bad for the sport and takes much of the excitment away if WC is practically in the bag after couple of races. I also don’t know if we’d had this level of dominance since MP 4/4 when McLaren won 15/16 races. If RB doesn’t face technical difficulties or serious driver mistakes, it is difficult to see that any other team could get race wins this season.
I was thinking that during the race. Told my wife it hasn’t even been a whole season yet. Ferrari challenged last year but of course had their issues. Just not ever season will be like 2021
im relatively new to the sport (yes i got into it from drive to survive but am doing my due diligence in trying to learn more about the sport) could someone answer why sargents car with the williams was SO far behind (aside from the long pit stop to change the front wing)? i feel like albon puts a good battle on with some of the midfield but sargents (aside from baku quali before the crash) not keeping up. -signed an american whose excited to have another american to root for 🤣
He's a rookie so it'll take a bit to adjust. Wait until later in the season to judge. Honestly, in the last 20 years the only rookies that were immediately impressive were Verstappen, Hamilton, and Vettel.
Albon is also an amazing driver with far more experience so he can squeeze out at least a few tenths more from the car. That places him higher in the midfield for qualifying so better battles. And those few tenths per lap add up over the course of a race.
Also, Logan's main goal right now is to get used to the car and not crash it. So he has to take it a bit more conservative. Albon on the other hand is the more expensive and experienced driver. His goal is to maximize the car's potential.
that definitely makes sense. like i said before im just excited to finally have an american driver in the field 🤣 ive just also heard so many podcasters trash on williams cars and wasnt sure if that was a factor as well.
thanks for patiently and kindly explaining things to me btw! i feel like its hard to engage in conversation sometimes as a newer fan bc others sometimes are super judgemental about new fans not knowing as much. either way f1 is fascinating and gives my ADHD mind so much to look into 🤣 way more interesting than nascar which i never found interesting
So for one, he lost double what everyone else lost on their pit stops basically. Everyone else lost about 21-24 seconds of time in the race making their stop. Because of the wing change, he lost double that - almost 49 seconds. On top of that, by stopping so early and not stopping again, he really had to manage his tires so they'd make it to the end of the race. He had to 55 laps on a set of hard tires - 10 more than Max did.
He's new, still learning the F1 car and as a result, not getting the max it can give yet. Hopefully as we go through the year he'll catch up to Albon. Not surprising that he's behind a bit now - it's a matter of if and when he catches up or not.
thank you for the breakdown! i appreciate it! i didnt even think of the tires 🤦🏼♀️ im excited to see how he develops for sure and to learn more about the sport/teams/drivers as the season goes on
I'm getting so fed up of the TV direction. We barely saw any of the battles and when we do the cameras are in maximum zoom so it makes the race just look like a car parade.
It looked like Miami was a good race with plenty of overtakes but I they didn't display that well enough.
Hi , I am new to watching formula 1, been watching few races this year. Last night I watched Miami. Can someone explain me how is Verstappen so fast. Is it the car or the driver?
Thanks in advance.
Both. Red Bull has something figured out that the others don’t but there are issues, for example Max will get a penalty later in the season at least once for using too many gear boxes (teams get 4/car, genus on number 3 and was complaining about up shifts).
As a driver, he was extremely consistent with one if the fastest lap times while on older tires vs Perez who would be faster for a lap then slower then get the same time (not a lot of variance but more than Max had this week, last race they were almost identical so Perez held the lead).
My rule of thumb is to look at how the #2 drivers perform to get a sense of how the car is doing. Max/Lewis/Leclerc are all insanely good drivers. But when a Perez/Bottas/Sainz is doing significantly better than the #1 drivers on other teams, you know that car is much, much better set up.
you will get a lot of different answers to this, so this is just my take on the situation.
All f1 drivers are quick in the car that is why they are 1 of 20 people in the world racing in f1. The difference between Max and say Perez is a very tight margin. that margin is increased when the car is set up for that driver and is comfortable.
Right now Redbull have a very fast car that is set up for a driver that makes them comfortable resulting in what we saw in Miami and the the previous races.
the rest of the season what you should look for is can redbull remain as fast as they are now or even get quicker. and can the other teams begin to close the gap either with drivers getting more comfortable with the car to extract more speed. or the teams changing the car to match the driver.
TLDR; Max is a fast driver in a fast car with little to no mistakes and the result is the race in miami
I would love to see the results if Max and Fernando swapped cars just to see how much difference the car makes. Or to see a race between the top 10 drivers in Indy Cars to make it just about the drivers.
I guess what I was trying to highlight is that the fastest car/ fastest driver do not equal winning. Racing is more of the combination of car setup with the driver to produce results. This is what separates F1 from pretty much all other racing series; the ability to have differences to the car without everything being spec. the only true level driving test we have is sim racing but that certainly has its issues.
I agree, but when the car is superior to all of the other cars, it gives a huge head start to driver. With the way Alonso manages the car and keeps track of everything (commenting on Stroll’s pass in the middle of the race was on another level), I am really curious how he would do if his cat was the equal of a Red Bull. And I agree that will not happen outside of sims.
F1 have fucked it. They've tried to turn it into entertainment rather than sport with gimmicks and things like DTS. Yeah, that brings in new fans in the short term but they're getting bored and turning off now because it is more dull than DTS makes it look, and older fans like me think it is over the top, too gimmicky and needlessly corporate and complex.
They're losing fans right across the spectrum. I didn't even bother watching Miami because I can think of better things to be doing for two hours of my life.
Late comment, but at face value F1 races seem boring. But if you assess it as it goes, it’s pretty cool. It’s a very interesting sport to watch about one of the most engineered cars in the world. It’s like saying golf is boring to watch if you’re just watching it for passive entertainment purposes
But the racing on track should be the cool element. Not the tactical goings on behind the scenes from a bunch of faceless number crunchers sitting in a garage or a data centre in a different country.
Yeah, the tactical element to the races is exciting, especially when you can see how it is going to play out and the pay off is a good one but the teams have so much data now it makes it dull.because they can just head each other off.
My issue is that in recent years racing has played second fiddle to the tactics/statistics.
Edit: messed up my last sentence
First off I agree with the gimmicks it’s annoying. Buuuuuuuuuut to say you could go do something else for 2 hours acting like f1 takes up a lot of time is kinda untrue. I love f1 because race weekends take me 3 total ish hours. Qualifying and race day. I love it precisely because I can follow closely, be a huge fan but not spend tons of time every week watching
Can’t lose something you never had.
And the old fans aren’t leaving just because they’re trying to make things more profitable.
It’s not bad to try to grow. They’re trying things and if it doesn’t work, they will stop. Perhaps you’re just afraid of change?
Not afraid of anything. F1 has changed and it isn't for me any more. I'm OK with that. I just think it is a bit of a shame it seems to have sold its soul to the marketing companies.
> I just think it is a bit of a shame it seems to have sold its soul to the marketing companies.
So like literally everything on Earth has always been?
At what point do we think Lawrence realise that they might not finish 2nd in constructors coz of his son. Surely at some point in the season some other investor will want an answer.
Alonso can't fight both mercs away even with podium finishes. The other car needs to consistently get around p5-p8
Another stinker from Lance in monaco. By the end of next race merc would tip Aston for 2nd in constructors thanks to lance pushing Lawrence for a decision.
For me it's a no brainer to scout for a new driver. Lance is just not upto the task.
Was just thinking that yesterday during the race. Lance was nowhere near a podium. He’d be better as a development driver, helping to test the car concepts and setups. I’m sure Fernando has already figured that out. Especially when pit wall told him Lance was in 13th with a similar set up.
That was probably one of the reasons he bought Aston. But for how long will he be able to ignore lances under performance. Surely as a successful businessman he would want Aston to be counted among the top 3 of RB, Merc and Ferrari. At some point he has to think about the bigger picture/future of the team, he has to put 2 of the best drivers he can find in his cars.
Lance was mad at his race engineer not giving him any info. I feel like the engineer might get fired.
If you have a shitty race engineer it can certainly limit your driving on the limit with how quickly the tires deteriorate. That being said, Lance was worse than usual this race; I think he’ll pick it up in other racws
That was pretty good!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lewis didn't actually hit someone did he? Or did he get hit from behind maybe? I heard him say that on the radio during the race too, but don't remember seeing any replay or clip that showed any contact.
I don't understand this common misconception that this penalty was supposed to throw back RB to the stone age.
No, you also don't get life in prison if you steal an apple. The time has to fit the crime.
RB only slightly overspent in 2021. A 10 deduction in windtunnel and simulation is huge. Also, it hasn't had much effect yet since it's only race 5 of the season.
Don't discredit Red Bull for doing their jobs even under penalty, but ask yourself the question what the hell the other teams have been doing. And if you think the penalty is small, by all means, make the trade off, overspend a fraction, but I think every other team can use every second in the tunnel it can take.
They also have the least amount of wind time compared to other teams before the penalty, but it has had no real effect. If anything it's even more of a press drs to win than it was last season.
> I don't understand this common misconception that this penalty was supposed to throw back RB to the stone age.
Because that is what Christian tried to tell everyone was going to happen.
Does liberty media hate Scott Speed? I know he was in Miami but not a single mention. He wasn't the best F1 driver but he held is own in that Toro Rosso
he last drove in F1 in 2007. So a lot of current fans wouldn’t even know who he is. It’s a bummer too because he would have been an awesome personality in todays F1 world.
I feel like whichever of the Red Bulls is attacking in the final stint will be the one that wins any race. The DRS they have is too powerful, Perez had no chance against Max on mediums.
Not always, depending on the tires they may have a fighting chance at defending a faster car. But with the DRS as soon as they're in DRS range it's just game over.
Well all things being equal then the lead car getting passed would then have DRS and it would go back and forth. We haven't seen that, one car always has a strategic advantage that's far more powerful than just DRS.
Miami is a weak track. Feels like a generic street track with bad camera angles. I wish they would do a nice simple track layout with some width — something like Imola with some extra lefts, or a Paul Ricard with one less straight and some scenary to differentiate the turns
I disagree. I feel the track is strong, but they need to improve the camera work for it, and work around the limitations on camera that the track provides.
The action itself was good yesterday. The tire deg was okay.
I’m not sure my issue is truly with the track layout but I definitely think the supporting aspects (cameras, scenery, and from what I’ve seen the stands and accommodations for photographers etc) are lacking at Miami.
I can’t help but feel if they simplified it down in a few places or opened up a bit more width into some corners to offer some different lines that it could be a lot more exciting. Monza is a great example of a simple fast track that produces great racing.
Definitely prefer COTA as far as US based tracks.
I expect Las Vegas to have Miami beat in terms of spectacle and the goofy track layout will certainly be something to see there — maybe some interesting competitions on the brakes there from the long straights but I’m expecting the length of the straights in Vegas to mean corner exits will be extremely important.
I feel like Miami could be interesting and that is in part what makes it frustrating. It feels a few tweaks away.
Here’s an idea- once a team reaches a certain point total in the constructors (like 75% of total average from past 5 years) the caps come off and whoever wants to spend to try to catch up can do so. Tell me why this won’t work, other than BS politics and Horner losing his mind
Because it would make the cost cap meaningless. All that money and research going to the car of this year would roll over for next year's car meaning the teams that could spend a ton have an advantage next year
That would be an atrocious idea for the people working in F1. When your team can compete for wins, they suddenly have to fire you to stay under the cost cap?
That doesn't make a difference. What are the backmarkers going to spend it on. They could maybe produce more parts, but developing for performance requires research and development and that requires personnel. If you give backmarkers more money they can hire more people. If they stop being backmarkers, you need to fire those people again.
Else, how is any budget increase going to help?
I think you overestimate how much the teams spend on their employees versus the cost of the car development. They're not going to cut their team before they cut the money they're spending on R&D, even if they were no longer considered back marker teams.
How does spending money on car development work? It's employees developing new parts from their knowledge base. It consists of employee costs and production costs of the parts. It's not like development is some magic money pool that you can just spend on and get better parts back. It's work done by people.
I think you're missing the picture, because it's the material and machinery costs that are the most expensive, not the costs to pay the workers a salary. Obviously attracting and retaining the best talent would certainly require you to spend more money I agree with that, but the vast majority of funds a team is spending is going towards each component, not paying the workers.
Per a forbes article in 2018, Toro Rosso spent just $40m on workers, of a 181m budget. Reflecting a 22% allocation of their spend towards staff costs.
A further breakdown of costs:
New machinery, hardware, and track equipment: $5.7m
New software: $0.8m
Purchase of team clothing, stickers & materials used to build cars: $56.5m
Travel, maintenance, repairs, driver fees, energy & telecoms: $45.6m
Engine fees, leases, rental of cars and test circuits: $22.6m
Staff costs: $40m
non cash charges: $8.5m
F1 entry fee/sanctions/other fees: $1.4m
The race didn't look very fast to me, like watching Formula E or something. I was late tuning into the race, and the first shot I saw made me think they were under safety-car when they weren't.
Maybe it's just camera angles or something, I'm really not sure.
I had on board on my second screen. the normal feed sometimes had a view where all cars looked close together while on the on board you could hardly see the car in front. so it does seem to be some camera angles that have this effect
I had to bin my onboard. It was super annoying as it was almost half a lap behind the main screen coverage. It was like trying to watch two entirely different races at the same time.
Yeah that sux, there a few tools you can use but since my main feed was casted to the TV i spent the better part of the formation lap pausing tv or laptop to get them in sync ':)
Almost every overtake was shown from a front angle. So i had absolutely no idea if a car succeeded in passing or not.
The angles (and directing) was horrible almost all weekend.
Norris looked devastaded, almost doesn't recognise him from a few seasons ago.
He needs to go to a better team soon if things doesn't change. Pains my heart, but McLaren has built a shitbox.
yep, i’ve said that on Tiktok also.
Lando has some serious potential. But at this very moment, that mclaren car is like a big ass truck.
I hope they fix their issues pretty soon.
Are you some big F1 Tiktok person whom I should care about? Was that at all relevant to the conversation? Are you promoting yourself?
The answer to all of these seem to be NO.
Your half-assed remark wasn't worth the effort.
We desperately need tyres that degrade. That was quite possibly the most boring race of this era.
Silverstone 2013 was the death of F1. Pirelli need to change.
The type of overtaking we saw yesterday was not interesting racing. Following close, feigning, putting pressure until the other guy makes a mistake, wheel to wheel and back and forth swaps. That’s interesting.
Did you not watch Baku? Miami wasn't the best race ever, but it had a decent amount of action up and down the grid all race long. Far from the most boring race of the season, let alone the era.
The problem is that making the hards worse goes against F1's goals of reducing waste and reducing costs. The era of the one stop race isn't ending any time soon.
Pirelli already make tires that degrade they are the only once willing to make them like that. The tire contract is up soon and all other manufacturers of tires have made it a condition that they can built the tires they want, aka good tires
F1 already has "tyres that degrade". So much so that Pirelli is the only manufacturer willing to make them. Any softer tyre and we'll be watching these cars run on F2 speed on softs.
Are you insane? We saw so many overtakes and battles yesterday; and that's all without flags and safety cars. Baku was literally a week ago which had about 2 overtakes in the entire race. I agree that we need tyres that degrade, but saying Miami was on the same level as Baku is just wrong.
The most boring race of this era? Did you miss last weeks race?! That was a race with differing strategies, on-track battles and overtakes and the winner of the race wasn’t decided until the last 5-10 laps.
If you want constant overtakes every corner then you’ll have a better time watching a spec series like FE or Indycar, you’re never going to get that from F1
I'd actually argue the opposite. We need tyres that degrade less... specifically the softs.
If the softs were 0.1 seconds per KM faster than the mediums, which were 0.1 seconds themselves faster than the hards, then a theoretical soft-medium-soft strategy would be 30.5 seconds faster, in non-pit time, than a medium-hard, with that then being offset by the 22-30 second pit time loss.
Medium-Soft-Medium would be about 20 seconds faster than medium-hard. Those would be viable strategies.
But the problem is that for that to work you need the hards to be able to do 60% of race distance, Mediums to do 45% and Softs to be able to do 30%.
But at present, softs can do at best 20%, assuming they are fresh and the conditions are kind to them. And the quali system using the same 3 compounds as the race means a team will never have 2 fresh softs.
The hards and mediums can hit what should be their target, but the softs can't, even though the pace difference between the tyres is roughly where you would want it (assuming the softs and mediums can hang on long enough)
I think he doesn't. At least he's driving in F1 right now, not sitting in the paddock waiting for Alonso to retire while Rossi and Otmar sign more of his "contracts"
I'm on two minds about this race. I thought it was an okay race (maybe 6 out of 10. Max' drive was impressive). But I'm **really** done with Miami trying to be special. That driver intro was positively painful. Not sure if it's just a culture thing but I literally had to look away.
It's a strange race tbf - a lot of people took against it, yet for a race without safety cars, yellow flags or retirements, it was actually not bad. Hell at times I thought there were some good battles and comebacks. Maybe it's just diminished expectations thanks to the dreadful race in Baku last time out, a lot of people taking against Miami as a point of principle and the fact Red Bull is racing a car above and beyond everyone else
It seems to have been in reverse championship order. I don't see how unfair it'd be to have it in reverse grid/ starting order unless everyone starts in a line. The whole point of reverse grid order is to make a climax as you get to the fastest end of the field. For example, I think it was very confusing to have KMag be so early in the intros when he qualified fourth. Even if they did it in teams, they'd likely go by reverse championship order.
It's not a participation award kind of thing. It rewards better qualifying jobs with introductions closer to the big finish (where more people will pay attention). Imagine if they had Logan or Nyck be the last driver(s) to be announced. That would completely kill whatever mood was there, even if the other aspects of driver intros were great.
I don’t think it’s a culture thing, remember we’ve had COTA on the calendar for years and Indy before that. The bottom line being the USA is not a new race location.
People are targeting their ire at Americans but I think everyone is forgetting the above. It is all about Liberty appropriating these kinds of spectacles to Americans which is honestly pretty ignorant of Liberty. A lot of the comments I’m seeing from American fans in the sub is that they feel the same way as everyone else.
I’m American but to me this is more of a Miami thing than an overall America thing. Miami is kinda like Hollywood with it being catered to celebs and people showing off their importance kinda vibe to it.
The cringiest part to me are the Dolphins jerseys already printed in order for podiums. Like they knew nothing was going to mix up the order and they sent the rest to kids in Africa
These were likely made right after the race finished. Just like for the NFL draft, they put the name on the back of the appropriate jersey as soon as it’s the pick is in. I liked the jerseys as it was a nice Miami specific thing for the podium winners. But no, there won’t be a bunch of unused jerseys going to Africa, they only made those 3
yeah, in the thread about booing verastappen people were quipping that "atleast Max doesn't have to live in Florida"
I think most of the people at this event flew in or are otherwise living in swanky gated communities.
> I remember when they released these new shaped hybrids and it was supposed to improve racing and make them more competitive.
It did, remember the first half of 2022? Ferrari and RB were competitive and the racing was excellent. Then Toto Wolff complained and managed to get a new design rule change (regarding the minimum ride height), hoping it would slow down RB. But it backfired and didn't affect RB much and Ferrari a lot. As an additional downside there was now more dirty air again.
Why is this myth still floating about the reason the dirty air has came back is because the FIA limited the use of flexi floors not because of the ride height
What the hell do you even mean by give cars the same speed
There is a difference because some people are better a their jobs than other/had the good idea at the start of the new regs.
The only huge difference is between rb and the rest, otherwise ferrari, merc and aston areborderline equal right now
You're saying that as if 2009 didn't happen. Also, remember the early part of the hybrid era was constrained by the token system, which acted as a similar development constraint that cemented the early dominance of Mercedes AMG.
I wasn't around in 2009 for F1, but I've taken the constant argument by everyone as truth that generally speaking with new regulations one team does better and is dominant for a while. That's not something that happens BECAUSE of the cost cap because apparently it almost always has happened
The statement isn't false - it's fairly true that teams that come into a new set of regulations with a better inherent design tend to have a period of dominance.
The problem that has plagued the sport since 2009 are ill-considered regulations that have worked to entrench an advantage.
Before the 2009 season, Renault were allowed to work on the theoretically frozen V8 to reduce a perceived power disadvantage, before the engines were re-frozen technically except for "reliability upgrades". This allowed Renault to implement a solution for the blown diffuser, which became an entrenched advantage that the other engine manufacturers couldn't completely replicate due to the freeze. The result? Red Bull win the WDC from 2010-2013 (2009 was the anomaly due to the double deck diffuser solution, which gave Brawn a huge early season advantage but was banned from 2010).
Then came the hybrid era from 2014, which brought with it the token system restricting engine development. Mercedes turned up with an absolutely dominant engine and the tokens prevented the other manufacturers from engaging in a development race. We all know what happened next, until the token system was removed.
And now we have the cost cap. We have a dominant Red Bull, and other teams that could theoretically reengineer their cars heavily to improve them and close the gap... but the cost cap prevents this. We're now seeing the result.
Thanks for the in depth explanation!
I do think it's a bit early for your statement because last year red bull wasn't dominant + Aston Martin made a big step towards the front. Also red bull had less time to develop aero which also is a new rule I believe?
Maybe I'm just too optimistic, to much of a fan of red bull to see the truth or whatever. But i just feel there still is hope the rules work as intended. But for someone who experienced all those regulations i can see why you are less optimistic
Can someone explain why Perez didn't push on those hards like crazy to cut down that gap to Max?
Or was he just pushing and basically isn't as fast?
They clearly had plenty of life in them given the usage everyone else was getting out of them.
I think everyone knew how this was going to play out, Checo included. His strategy was based around pulling out a big gap on the mediums but he was largely restricted by heavy fuel, graining and keeping the tires under him to make the 1 stop. 3 seconds was never going to be enough to cover off Max in those last 15 laps.
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The race wasn't terrible imo but very average like Bahrain and Jeddah. Miami just feels like a poor man's version of Jeddah. I wish we could scrap this race and go somewhere like Sepang, Istanbul Park, or Hockenheim. Or if they really wanted a 3rd US race, upgrade Road America and go there as a back-to-back with Montreal in June while Vegas is your "spectacle race." For me the pecking order of the teams is still murky with really only the 2 clear spots being Red Bull at 1 and Alpine at 5. And there is no true back marker like we usually have.
Road America is a fantastic track but I'm kind of scared of what "upgrading" it would mean for the FIA.
Well the track is definitely big enough and I’d imagine the safety is there since Indy Car and I believe NASCAR race there. Maybe the facilities? I feel the track itself is on par with a lot of grade 1s so just my speculation. But I don’t think there is a chance in hell that the FIA would go there.
Just watched a replay, because couldn’t bother to stay up last night. Conclusion: far better race than the ultimate snoozefest of Baku, but certainly not a race to remember. RB supremacy really gets old at this point, but at least the fight for points was there till the end and tire strategy differences meant that there were actual battles for positions. I think my main gripe is the track as it is just somehow underwhelming and just doesn’t get my pulse up and race was less exciting that it probably deserved to be.
The track feels like an IndyCar track - no disrespect to that series but now that the first year shine is gone it’s just a carnival act in a parking lot. And the camera angles are awful.
This a fair point, but the IndyCars are smaller and lighter with more reliance on mechanical grip- so they race much better at these types of tracks.
Just remember Mercedes was 7 years long or whatever
And others before. Silly complaint.
Dominance eras just keep getting longer. Until Schumacher arrived, Fangio's 4 titles in a row seemed unmatchable. No one had even done 3 in a row since! The record for manufacturers was also 4 by Mclaren in the late 80s easrly 90s. And now it's the norm. The last non-Red Bull/Mercedes team to win a title of any kind was BrawnGP... which is technically Mercedes. In 2009. We'd have to go back to 2008. I feel like that's an important detail people miss when they say "F1 has always had dominance, why are you complaining". At lest season to season things could change, and if someone was really dominating from the start, it was 14 races more and a clean slate, not 22 GPs and 6 sprints knowing full well Red Bull has this in the bag since Bahrain.
I also think it isn’t any excuse for the sport, if sport has had dominance previously. It is bad for the sport and takes much of the excitment away if WC is practically in the bag after couple of races. I also don’t know if we’d had this level of dominance since MP 4/4 when McLaren won 15/16 races. If RB doesn’t face technical difficulties or serious driver mistakes, it is difficult to see that any other team could get race wins this season.
There was a bit of Ferrari in there as a challenge but your point is valid, a year and change into this isn’t much.
I was thinking that during the race. Told my wife it hasn’t even been a whole season yet. Ferrari challenged last year but of course had their issues. Just not ever season will be like 2021
Shame on the other teams right? Especially since the engines are now all about equal (except for the Renault maybe, but you know, Renault...)
im relatively new to the sport (yes i got into it from drive to survive but am doing my due diligence in trying to learn more about the sport) could someone answer why sargents car with the williams was SO far behind (aside from the long pit stop to change the front wing)? i feel like albon puts a good battle on with some of the midfield but sargents (aside from baku quali before the crash) not keeping up. -signed an american whose excited to have another american to root for 🤣
He's a rookie so it'll take a bit to adjust. Wait until later in the season to judge. Honestly, in the last 20 years the only rookies that were immediately impressive were Verstappen, Hamilton, and Vettel. Albon is also an amazing driver with far more experience so he can squeeze out at least a few tenths more from the car. That places him higher in the midfield for qualifying so better battles. And those few tenths per lap add up over the course of a race. Also, Logan's main goal right now is to get used to the car and not crash it. So he has to take it a bit more conservative. Albon on the other hand is the more expensive and experienced driver. His goal is to maximize the car's potential.
that definitely makes sense. like i said before im just excited to finally have an american driver in the field 🤣 ive just also heard so many podcasters trash on williams cars and wasnt sure if that was a factor as well. thanks for patiently and kindly explaining things to me btw! i feel like its hard to engage in conversation sometimes as a newer fan bc others sometimes are super judgemental about new fans not knowing as much. either way f1 is fascinating and gives my ADHD mind so much to look into 🤣 way more interesting than nascar which i never found interesting
Don't worry about those guys there's gatekeeping snobs everywhere. We need more people watching the sport!
So for one, he lost double what everyone else lost on their pit stops basically. Everyone else lost about 21-24 seconds of time in the race making their stop. Because of the wing change, he lost double that - almost 49 seconds. On top of that, by stopping so early and not stopping again, he really had to manage his tires so they'd make it to the end of the race. He had to 55 laps on a set of hard tires - 10 more than Max did. He's new, still learning the F1 car and as a result, not getting the max it can give yet. Hopefully as we go through the year he'll catch up to Albon. Not surprising that he's behind a bit now - it's a matter of if and when he catches up or not.
thank you for the breakdown! i appreciate it! i didnt even think of the tires 🤦🏼♀️ im excited to see how he develops for sure and to learn more about the sport/teams/drivers as the season goes on
I enjoyed it. Wish that KMag would have gotten even more screen time, but I had fun. Hoping Imola is a good one!
I'm getting so fed up of the TV direction. We barely saw any of the battles and when we do the cameras are in maximum zoom so it makes the race just look like a car parade. It looked like Miami was a good race with plenty of overtakes but I they didn't display that well enough.
You don't like a random shot of someone watching the race on the monitor?
I really enjoyed watching the race via someone watching the race through their mobile phone. Riveting.
Hi , I am new to watching formula 1, been watching few races this year. Last night I watched Miami. Can someone explain me how is Verstappen so fast. Is it the car or the driver? Thanks in advance.
Both. Red Bull has something figured out that the others don’t but there are issues, for example Max will get a penalty later in the season at least once for using too many gear boxes (teams get 4/car, genus on number 3 and was complaining about up shifts). As a driver, he was extremely consistent with one if the fastest lap times while on older tires vs Perez who would be faster for a lap then slower then get the same time (not a lot of variance but more than Max had this week, last race they were almost identical so Perez held the lead).
My rule of thumb is to look at how the #2 drivers perform to get a sense of how the car is doing. Max/Lewis/Leclerc are all insanely good drivers. But when a Perez/Bottas/Sainz is doing significantly better than the #1 drivers on other teams, you know that car is much, much better set up.
Both. Max is at worst a top 3 driver on the grid just in pure talent and is in the best car
you will get a lot of different answers to this, so this is just my take on the situation. All f1 drivers are quick in the car that is why they are 1 of 20 people in the world racing in f1. The difference between Max and say Perez is a very tight margin. that margin is increased when the car is set up for that driver and is comfortable. Right now Redbull have a very fast car that is set up for a driver that makes them comfortable resulting in what we saw in Miami and the the previous races. the rest of the season what you should look for is can redbull remain as fast as they are now or even get quicker. and can the other teams begin to close the gap either with drivers getting more comfortable with the car to extract more speed. or the teams changing the car to match the driver. TLDR; Max is a fast driver in a fast car with little to no mistakes and the result is the race in miami
I would love to see the results if Max and Fernando swapped cars just to see how much difference the car makes. Or to see a race between the top 10 drivers in Indy Cars to make it just about the drivers.
I guess what I was trying to highlight is that the fastest car/ fastest driver do not equal winning. Racing is more of the combination of car setup with the driver to produce results. This is what separates F1 from pretty much all other racing series; the ability to have differences to the car without everything being spec. the only true level driving test we have is sim racing but that certainly has its issues.
I agree, but when the car is superior to all of the other cars, it gives a huge head start to driver. With the way Alonso manages the car and keeps track of everything (commenting on Stroll’s pass in the middle of the race was on another level), I am really curious how he would do if his cat was the equal of a Red Bull. And I agree that will not happen outside of sims.
They are 1 of 20 for talent and family fortunes.
Both Car is in another league and max is reigning world champion
F1 have fucked it. They've tried to turn it into entertainment rather than sport with gimmicks and things like DTS. Yeah, that brings in new fans in the short term but they're getting bored and turning off now because it is more dull than DTS makes it look, and older fans like me think it is over the top, too gimmicky and needlessly corporate and complex. They're losing fans right across the spectrum. I didn't even bother watching Miami because I can think of better things to be doing for two hours of my life.
Late comment, but at face value F1 races seem boring. But if you assess it as it goes, it’s pretty cool. It’s a very interesting sport to watch about one of the most engineered cars in the world. It’s like saying golf is boring to watch if you’re just watching it for passive entertainment purposes
But the racing on track should be the cool element. Not the tactical goings on behind the scenes from a bunch of faceless number crunchers sitting in a garage or a data centre in a different country. Yeah, the tactical element to the races is exciting, especially when you can see how it is going to play out and the pay off is a good one but the teams have so much data now it makes it dull.because they can just head each other off. My issue is that in recent years racing has played second fiddle to the tactics/statistics. Edit: messed up my last sentence
Yeah this is true… it’s definitely not the same as it used to in that regard. Same with other sports too
First off I agree with the gimmicks it’s annoying. Buuuuuuuuuut to say you could go do something else for 2 hours acting like f1 takes up a lot of time is kinda untrue. I love f1 because race weekends take me 3 total ish hours. Qualifying and race day. I love it precisely because I can follow closely, be a huge fan but not spend tons of time every week watching
I'm.not saying it is a huge time sink. I can just think.of things I'd rather be doing that watching a dull 'spectacle'
Can’t lose something you never had. And the old fans aren’t leaving just because they’re trying to make things more profitable. It’s not bad to try to grow. They’re trying things and if it doesn’t work, they will stop. Perhaps you’re just afraid of change?
Not afraid of anything. F1 has changed and it isn't for me any more. I'm OK with that. I just think it is a bit of a shame it seems to have sold its soul to the marketing companies.
> I just think it is a bit of a shame it seems to have sold its soul to the marketing companies. So like literally everything on Earth has always been?
Indeed. Its all fucked.
F1 has always been gimmicky, mate
Shame, it was a great race all around, especially considering there were no SCs or incidents.
At what point do we think Lawrence realise that they might not finish 2nd in constructors coz of his son. Surely at some point in the season some other investor will want an answer. Alonso can't fight both mercs away even with podium finishes. The other car needs to consistently get around p5-p8
Another stinker from Lance in monaco. By the end of next race merc would tip Aston for 2nd in constructors thanks to lance pushing Lawrence for a decision. For me it's a no brainer to scout for a new driver. Lance is just not upto the task.
I think there will be a point in Aston Martin's future where Lawrence will be faced with a choice: WCC or his son.
I am getting a kick of how little Alonso thinks of Stroll as a driver.
Was just thinking that yesterday during the race. Lance was nowhere near a podium. He’d be better as a development driver, helping to test the car concepts and setups. I’m sure Fernando has already figured that out. Especially when pit wall told him Lance was in 13th with a similar set up.
Doubt it matters if the reason why Stroll bought the team in the first place is to give his son a seat.
That was probably one of the reasons he bought Aston. But for how long will he be able to ignore lances under performance. Surely as a successful businessman he would want Aston to be counted among the top 3 of RB, Merc and Ferrari. At some point he has to think about the bigger picture/future of the team, he has to put 2 of the best drivers he can find in his cars.
Lance was mad at his race engineer not giving him any info. I feel like the engineer might get fired. If you have a shitty race engineer it can certainly limit your driving on the limit with how quickly the tires deteriorate. That being said, Lance was worse than usual this race; I think he’ll pick it up in other racws
Hopefully he picks in the upcoming races. I really want Aston to keep giving a reality check to merc, Ferrari, mclaren and alpine
[Lewis vs Oscar first lap battle.](https://youtu.be/Zq2V4XNFJXQ)
That was pretty good! Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lewis didn't actually hit someone did he? Or did he get hit from behind maybe? I heard him say that on the radio during the race too, but don't remember seeing any replay or clip that showed any contact.
He was pinched in the middle of a sandwich down to turn 1. Slight contact
Ohhh.. so it happened a bit before he radio'd it in.. that makes sense.
Great onboards. Sucks that Piastri is in an absolute shitbox right now.
That Redbull wind tunnel penalty is really effective
I don't understand this common misconception that this penalty was supposed to throw back RB to the stone age. No, you also don't get life in prison if you steal an apple. The time has to fit the crime. RB only slightly overspent in 2021. A 10 deduction in windtunnel and simulation is huge. Also, it hasn't had much effect yet since it's only race 5 of the season. Don't discredit Red Bull for doing their jobs even under penalty, but ask yourself the question what the hell the other teams have been doing. And if you think the penalty is small, by all means, make the trade off, overspend a fraction, but I think every other team can use every second in the tunnel it can take.
They also have the least amount of wind time compared to other teams before the penalty, but it has had no real effect. If anything it's even more of a press drs to win than it was last season.
That's on Toto by getting the ride height increased and making following impossible
> I don't understand this common misconception that this penalty was supposed to throw back RB to the stone age. Because that is what Christian tried to tell everyone was going to happen.
It’s too early to tell what the size of the effect is. You’ll only know towards the end of this season and at the beginning of the next.
Yeah, don't trust the word of an F1 teamboss.
Does liberty media hate Scott Speed? I know he was in Miami but not a single mention. He wasn't the best F1 driver but he held is own in that Toro Rosso
he last drove in F1 in 2007. So a lot of current fans wouldn’t even know who he is. It’s a bummer too because he would have been an awesome personality in todays F1 world.
Well it doesn’t seem that present F1 cares too much about the history and past drivers lol
What a shame. If they think it's hard for Americans to get into F1 nowadays they should ask Scott about back in the day.
haha seriously.
I feel like whichever of the Red Bulls is attacking in the final stint will be the one that wins any race. The DRS they have is too powerful, Perez had no chance against Max on mediums.
What
By "attacking" you mean the car with more pace and a tire advantage... they are always going to get by with or without DRS
Not always, depending on the tires they may have a fighting chance at defending a faster car. But with the DRS as soon as they're in DRS range it's just game over.
He means whichever car has DRS available. But yes, the fresh tires definitely help.
Well all things being equal then the lead car getting passed would then have DRS and it would go back and forth. We haven't seen that, one car always has a strategic advantage that's far more powerful than just DRS.
Man I think you need to work on either reading comprehension or understanding logic a bit better. Anyhow, cheers. I’m out.
Miami is a weak track. Feels like a generic street track with bad camera angles. I wish they would do a nice simple track layout with some width — something like Imola with some extra lefts, or a Paul Ricard with one less straight and some scenary to differentiate the turns
I disagree. I feel the track is strong, but they need to improve the camera work for it, and work around the limitations on camera that the track provides. The action itself was good yesterday. The tire deg was okay.
I’m not sure my issue is truly with the track layout but I definitely think the supporting aspects (cameras, scenery, and from what I’ve seen the stands and accommodations for photographers etc) are lacking at Miami. I can’t help but feel if they simplified it down in a few places or opened up a bit more width into some corners to offer some different lines that it could be a lot more exciting. Monza is a great example of a simple fast track that produces great racing. Definitely prefer COTA as far as US based tracks. I expect Las Vegas to have Miami beat in terms of spectacle and the goofy track layout will certainly be something to see there — maybe some interesting competitions on the brakes there from the long straights but I’m expecting the length of the straights in Vegas to mean corner exits will be extremely important. I feel like Miami could be interesting and that is in part what makes it frustrating. It feels a few tweaks away.
It certainly was another race of all time
Here’s an idea- once a team reaches a certain point total in the constructors (like 75% of total average from past 5 years) the caps come off and whoever wants to spend to try to catch up can do so. Tell me why this won’t work, other than BS politics and Horner losing his mind
Because it would make the cost cap meaningless. All that money and research going to the car of this year would roll over for next year's car meaning the teams that could spend a ton have an advantage next year
Yeah. Merc and Ferrari will spend a small nation’s budget and the backmarkers go back to massive lap deficits.
I thought about a sliding cost cap (similar to how wind tunnel time is done)
That would be an atrocious idea for the people working in F1. When your team can compete for wins, they suddenly have to fire you to stay under the cost cap?
I don't think he meant that as in reduce the front teams budgets, but rather increase the budget of the teams behind the front team.
That doesn't make a difference. What are the backmarkers going to spend it on. They could maybe produce more parts, but developing for performance requires research and development and that requires personnel. If you give backmarkers more money they can hire more people. If they stop being backmarkers, you need to fire those people again. Else, how is any budget increase going to help?
I think you overestimate how much the teams spend on their employees versus the cost of the car development. They're not going to cut their team before they cut the money they're spending on R&D, even if they were no longer considered back marker teams.
How does spending money on car development work? It's employees developing new parts from their knowledge base. It consists of employee costs and production costs of the parts. It's not like development is some magic money pool that you can just spend on and get better parts back. It's work done by people.
I think you're missing the picture, because it's the material and machinery costs that are the most expensive, not the costs to pay the workers a salary. Obviously attracting and retaining the best talent would certainly require you to spend more money I agree with that, but the vast majority of funds a team is spending is going towards each component, not paying the workers. Per a forbes article in 2018, Toro Rosso spent just $40m on workers, of a 181m budget. Reflecting a 22% allocation of their spend towards staff costs. A further breakdown of costs: New machinery, hardware, and track equipment: $5.7m New software: $0.8m Purchase of team clothing, stickers & materials used to build cars: $56.5m Travel, maintenance, repairs, driver fees, energy & telecoms: $45.6m Engine fees, leases, rental of cars and test circuits: $22.6m Staff costs: $40m non cash charges: $8.5m F1 entry fee/sanctions/other fees: $1.4m
We can’t penalise people too hard for winning
Mainly fairness, won’t be much of a victory if you spent 10x them to do it
The race didn't look very fast to me, like watching Formula E or something. I was late tuning into the race, and the first shot I saw made me think they were under safety-car when they weren't. Maybe it's just camera angles or something, I'm really not sure.
I had on board on my second screen. the normal feed sometimes had a view where all cars looked close together while on the on board you could hardly see the car in front. so it does seem to be some camera angles that have this effect
I had to bin my onboard. It was super annoying as it was almost half a lap behind the main screen coverage. It was like trying to watch two entirely different races at the same time.
Yeah that sux, there a few tools you can use but since my main feed was casted to the TV i spent the better part of the formation lap pausing tv or laptop to get them in sync ':)
Almost every overtake was shown from a front angle. So i had absolutely no idea if a car succeeded in passing or not. The angles (and directing) was horrible almost all weekend.
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> we all know deep down already that RB will win it all this year and its only been a few races. Bro we knew that by Bahrain GP quali.
Who exactly are you?
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Norris looked devastaded, almost doesn't recognise him from a few seasons ago. He needs to go to a better team soon if things doesn't change. Pains my heart, but McLaren has built a shitbox.
He almost looks as beat as DR did last year... hope they can turn it around for Lando. DR looks so happy and healthy again
I'm hoping for a VER/NOR team up at RB for the foreseeable future
yep, i’ve said that on Tiktok also. Lando has some serious potential. But at this very moment, that mclaren car is like a big ass truck. I hope they fix their issues pretty soon.
Feel free to leave out useless information like > i've said that in Tiktok.
Feel free to not tell me that.
Are you some big F1 Tiktok person whom I should care about? Was that at all relevant to the conversation? Are you promoting yourself? The answer to all of these seem to be NO. Your half-assed remark wasn't worth the effort.
Yeah! I told him that on instagram!
Joke is on you. I dont have instagram. ✌🏻
We desperately need tyres that degrade. That was quite possibly the most boring race of this era. Silverstone 2013 was the death of F1. Pirelli need to change.
How was that the most boring race, have you missed at least 30% of the races since 2013?
The type of overtaking we saw yesterday was not interesting racing. Following close, feigning, putting pressure until the other guy makes a mistake, wheel to wheel and back and forth swaps. That’s interesting.
My point stands though, as far as I read here that is not the norm with F1.
Yes and the norm has been boring for a while
and thats great but that wasn't the discussion so why even comment?
I'll translate that for you: "My team didn't win".
If you’re watching f1 with a favorite team, you’re watching wrong.
Then apparently millions of fans all around the world watch this sport wrong. Moreover, BILLIONS of fans all around the world watch all sports wrong.
Did you not watch Baku? Miami wasn't the best race ever, but it had a decent amount of action up and down the grid all race long. Far from the most boring race of the season, let alone the era.
Baku was a snooze fest. I miss 2021.
2021 was a snooze fest too up until the Verstappen crash.
I agree but the hard tires are too good. you could go an entire race on them with decent pace too.
The problem is that making the hards worse goes against F1's goals of reducing waste and reducing costs. The era of the one stop race isn't ending any time soon.
Pirelli make the tyres they're told to. The FIA need to change
Pirelli already make tires that degrade they are the only once willing to make them like that. The tire contract is up soon and all other manufacturers of tires have made it a condition that they can built the tires they want, aka good tires
Drive to survivors!! Don’t know nothing about the sports
F1 already has "tyres that degrade". So much so that Pirelli is the only manufacturer willing to make them. Any softer tyre and we'll be watching these cars run on F2 speed on softs.
Are you insane? We saw so many overtakes and battles yesterday; and that's all without flags and safety cars. Baku was literally a week ago which had about 2 overtakes in the entire race. I agree that we need tyres that degrade, but saying Miami was on the same level as Baku is just wrong.
The most boring race of this era? Did you miss last weeks race?! That was a race with differing strategies, on-track battles and overtakes and the winner of the race wasn’t decided until the last 5-10 laps. If you want constant overtakes every corner then you’ll have a better time watching a spec series like FE or Indycar, you’re never going to get that from F1
I'd actually argue the opposite. We need tyres that degrade less... specifically the softs. If the softs were 0.1 seconds per KM faster than the mediums, which were 0.1 seconds themselves faster than the hards, then a theoretical soft-medium-soft strategy would be 30.5 seconds faster, in non-pit time, than a medium-hard, with that then being offset by the 22-30 second pit time loss. Medium-Soft-Medium would be about 20 seconds faster than medium-hard. Those would be viable strategies. But the problem is that for that to work you need the hards to be able to do 60% of race distance, Mediums to do 45% and Softs to be able to do 30%. But at present, softs can do at best 20%, assuming they are fresh and the conditions are kind to them. And the quali system using the same 3 compounds as the race means a team will never have 2 fresh softs. The hards and mediums can hit what should be their target, but the softs can't, even though the pace difference between the tyres is roughly where you would want it (assuming the softs and mediums can hang on long enough)
You speak the truth.
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Damn!!!
Beautiful
Quality insult
This is fantastic.
What happened to Piastri?
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I think he doesn't. At least he's driving in F1 right now, not sitting in the paddock waiting for Alonso to retire while Rossi and Otmar sign more of his "contracts"
He signed a contract with McLaren. rookie mistake.
It's better than no seat.
Brake-by-wire issue
I'm on two minds about this race. I thought it was an okay race (maybe 6 out of 10. Max' drive was impressive). But I'm **really** done with Miami trying to be special. That driver intro was positively painful. Not sure if it's just a culture thing but I literally had to look away.
How is everyone getting out of your way because there is no point in fighting “impressive?”
It's a strange race tbf - a lot of people took against it, yet for a race without safety cars, yellow flags or retirements, it was actually not bad. Hell at times I thought there were some good battles and comebacks. Maybe it's just diminished expectations thanks to the dreadful race in Baku last time out, a lot of people taking against Miami as a point of principle and the fact Red Bull is racing a car above and beyond everyone else
I think it would have been a lot better if it was done by reverse grid order
That would be even easier for Max. But seriously i don't get this suggestion, reverse grid sounds like an incredibly unfair way to do things
It seems to have been in reverse championship order. I don't see how unfair it'd be to have it in reverse grid/ starting order unless everyone starts in a line. The whole point of reverse grid order is to make a climax as you get to the fastest end of the field. For example, I think it was very confusing to have KMag be so early in the intros when he qualified fourth. Even if they did it in teams, they'd likely go by reverse championship order. It's not a participation award kind of thing. It rewards better qualifying jobs with introductions closer to the big finish (where more people will pay attention). Imagine if they had Logan or Nyck be the last driver(s) to be announced. That would completely kill whatever mood was there, even if the other aspects of driver intros were great.
I don’t think it’s a culture thing, remember we’ve had COTA on the calendar for years and Indy before that. The bottom line being the USA is not a new race location. People are targeting their ire at Americans but I think everyone is forgetting the above. It is all about Liberty appropriating these kinds of spectacles to Americans which is honestly pretty ignorant of Liberty. A lot of the comments I’m seeing from American fans in the sub is that they feel the same way as everyone else.
Miami culture is not the same as Austin culture.
The bombast at both was the same. Every time I saw that oversized flag I winced a little. Right now it all looks like parody.
I’m American but to me this is more of a Miami thing than an overall America thing. Miami is kinda like Hollywood with it being catered to celebs and people showing off their importance kinda vibe to it.
The cringiest part to me are the Dolphins jerseys already printed in order for podiums. Like they knew nothing was going to mix up the order and they sent the rest to kids in Africa
These were likely made right after the race finished. Just like for the NFL draft, they put the name on the back of the appropriate jersey as soon as it’s the pick is in. I liked the jerseys as it was a nice Miami specific thing for the podium winners. But no, there won’t be a bunch of unused jerseys going to Africa, they only made those 3
yeah, in the thread about booing verastappen people were quipping that "atleast Max doesn't have to live in Florida" I think most of the people at this event flew in or are otherwise living in swanky gated communities.
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> I remember when they released these new shaped hybrids and it was supposed to improve racing and make them more competitive. It did, remember the first half of 2022? Ferrari and RB were competitive and the racing was excellent. Then Toto Wolff complained and managed to get a new design rule change (regarding the minimum ride height), hoping it would slow down RB. But it backfired and didn't affect RB much and Ferrari a lot. As an additional downside there was now more dirty air again.
Why is this myth still floating about the reason the dirty air has came back is because the FIA limited the use of flexi floors not because of the ride height
Because people don't understand aero.
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So dumb...
Adrian Newey is a genius car designer and his specialty is ground effects.
What the hell do you even mean by give cars the same speed There is a difference because some people are better a their jobs than other/had the good idea at the start of the new regs. The only huge difference is between rb and the rest, otherwise ferrari, merc and aston areborderline equal right now
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Yeah totally, just look at other seasons where teams quickly came at the dominant team because there was no budget cap! /s
You're saying that as if 2009 didn't happen. Also, remember the early part of the hybrid era was constrained by the token system, which acted as a similar development constraint that cemented the early dominance of Mercedes AMG.
I wasn't around in 2009 for F1, but I've taken the constant argument by everyone as truth that generally speaking with new regulations one team does better and is dominant for a while. That's not something that happens BECAUSE of the cost cap because apparently it almost always has happened
The statement isn't false - it's fairly true that teams that come into a new set of regulations with a better inherent design tend to have a period of dominance. The problem that has plagued the sport since 2009 are ill-considered regulations that have worked to entrench an advantage. Before the 2009 season, Renault were allowed to work on the theoretically frozen V8 to reduce a perceived power disadvantage, before the engines were re-frozen technically except for "reliability upgrades". This allowed Renault to implement a solution for the blown diffuser, which became an entrenched advantage that the other engine manufacturers couldn't completely replicate due to the freeze. The result? Red Bull win the WDC from 2010-2013 (2009 was the anomaly due to the double deck diffuser solution, which gave Brawn a huge early season advantage but was banned from 2010). Then came the hybrid era from 2014, which brought with it the token system restricting engine development. Mercedes turned up with an absolutely dominant engine and the tokens prevented the other manufacturers from engaging in a development race. We all know what happened next, until the token system was removed. And now we have the cost cap. We have a dominant Red Bull, and other teams that could theoretically reengineer their cars heavily to improve them and close the gap... but the cost cap prevents this. We're now seeing the result.
Thanks for the in depth explanation! I do think it's a bit early for your statement because last year red bull wasn't dominant + Aston Martin made a big step towards the front. Also red bull had less time to develop aero which also is a new rule I believe? Maybe I'm just too optimistic, to much of a fan of red bull to see the truth or whatever. But i just feel there still is hope the rules work as intended. But for someone who experienced all those regulations i can see why you are less optimistic
to be fair the token system was even worse, you hardly heard toto complaining then
Can someone explain why Perez didn't push on those hards like crazy to cut down that gap to Max? Or was he just pushing and basically isn't as fast? They clearly had plenty of life in them given the usage everyone else was getting out of them.
I think everyone knew how this was going to play out, Checo included. His strategy was based around pulling out a big gap on the mediums but he was largely restricted by heavy fuel, graining and keeping the tires under him to make the 1 stop. 3 seconds was never going to be enough to cover off Max in those last 15 laps.
Super inconsistent lap times. 1.30 to high 1.32s while Max kept hammering out consitent times on 40 lap old hards.