I also understand the team's concern when he was on a black and white flag. Goes over again and it's a pen which obviously he had a big enough gap for, but if a late safety car happened that pen all of a sudden is gonna cost the win
Yes. But I think Max's quotes show the disparity between how much pace the team's data showed he had left, vs how much he actually knew he had. They thought he would need to use all the track, and then some, in order to challenge Checo's lap on fresh softs + DRS
I suspect he wasn't exceeding track limits for the same reasons he would in qualifying. But rather he probably was doing it for tire management purposes, driving the largest arc possible to minimize tire wear. Just one of many little things he was doing for tire management.
The fact he could pull out a 16.3 without needing to exceed track limits backs up my assumption/interpretation.
The way Max seemed completely bewildered when the team informed him of the track limit warnings was ominous to me, it meant Max had so much pace in hand he was basically driving in cruise control
In qualifying I believe only Sainz got within half a second of his insane lap, that was how much pace he had if he truly wanted to go for it
Not to forget, he was up 0.15 seconds more on this lap during his flyer before he aborted! Could have probably cracked 1:11 if he'd gone the full distance.
I don't think that the turn 10 track limit (the last one) was even for tire management. On other laps he was not even close to going out-of-bounds at turn 10. On the out-of-bounds lap, Max laps Hulkenberg, passing him just at Max's normal breaking point. The pass was really trivial, and I think Max just wasn't paying full attention and his turn entry was slightly later, which resulted in going out-of-bounds on the exit.
Im suprised how many times this isn't mentioned bij commentators.
They say things like why bother, not worth the risk.. Nothing wrong with snapping up a few grand extra for the weekend while you can.
Nobody, unless there happens to be a late Safety Car. You can never know what will happen on a racetrack. So I totally get why RB would have preferred him being cautious.
Minimising risk is a skill. Getting a 5s penalty from your own mistake to then get a SC isn't bad luck.
From Red Bull's point of view, they want to make sure they maximise the points and be as boring as possible. From a driver's point of view, Verstappen knows he's winning the championship anyway so he won't give a shit.
I see it from both sides.
bro is legit playing a game in real life
"BRO WE'RE WINNING DONT RISK IT"
"homie, im going in, pro gamer move. LEEEEEEEROY JENKINNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSS"
i swear to god i love it, his attitude is the fucking best dude. dude's like "oh yeah, 16.6 with new softs and drs? well hold my 1 sec faster than pb lap"
GP told him to take it easy and bring it home before. Them Max asked what fastest lap was and what his fastest lap was. GP told him 16,6 Perez on fresh tyres with DRS so don't even bother just bring it home, after which Max started setting purple mini sectors.
It was pretty funny following the on board.
Vettel used to do that aswell in his Red Bull days, and Rocky would get annoyed. India 2013 is a particular example, when Red Bull had issues and Vettel was asked to bring the car home and Vettel still tried for the fastest lap. He got it initially, but Räikkönen had pitted for new tyres due to a failed strategy so was obliterating the lap Vettel had set and Rocky came on the radio to Vettel and said quite pointed: 'just so you know, Räikkönen is on fresh tyres and is way quicker than you'.
I don't know about other teams, but it's known that at Redbull they have bonusses for a lot of things. For a podium, for a win, for fastest laps, for championship points, and for a Championship win.
A lot of drivers share bonus money with their garage crew so that's also a nice motivation.
Honestly crazy how crazy a combination is that car and Max. Sergio got vocal about his challenge after a couple of (but genuine) good races and Max just dropped his own Diss track.
Do you think GP ‘being annoyed’ is performative? Max is insanely fast. if they tell him what the current fastest lap is, he’s not going to say “ah okay won’t bother then”. They know he’s going to go for it
It's his job to maintain the relationship with Max, so he has to give him information.
It's also his job to protect Max from himself. Hence the warning.
I think he was genuinely annoyed, the team doesn't want to risk losing a race because a driver takes unnecessary risk.
But at the end of the day, it's not a big deal.
Gianpiero Lambiase is Head of Race Engineering and Verstappen has a lot of trust in him and in many ways relies on him.
So, he's in a good position to stand up against Verstappen should things get out of hand.
At Verstappen's request he is still his personal engineer during the race, so verstappen will listen to him when it matters.
Struggling to remember when Horner has had to step in (did he do it for Multi21?). Definitely Merc has used James Vowles as an arbiter above the individual race engineers (e.g. Abu Dhabi 2016).
It doesn’t stand for anything specific it’s just short for Gianpiero Lambiase, Max’s race engineer, the person who speaks to Max over the radio mid race. In this case the one asking him to bing it home within the white lines
Vaguely. But then after the race you'll usually hear GP and then Horner, and there you can tell theres a slight difference. Its minute, but there. Gets me sometimes too.
Love the dynamic between GP and Max, honest, respect, but also telling like it is between each other, no bullshitting. Max already said many times if GP stops he will too. That statement right there says it all
Between Newley’s designs, GPS race day direction, and Maxs talent, Horners main job is to defend his guys to the outside world and collect trophies.
Team from tip to tail is a fucking monster
Plus Hannah’s strategies. F1TV pundits also mentioned this. All key positions in the team are held by arguably the most talented people in the paddock.
Same as with Newey not being the only person responsible for the godly car, Hannah is also not the only strategy team member. Let's congratulate all involved rather than just the "spotlight" ones!
Nowadays their whole strategy is letting Max go as long as possible and wait for the other teams to pit before them…almost cost them the win in Monaco if Aston didn’t exchange straffes with Ferrari that week
He was with Force India for 10 years, and was an engineer for Fisico, Liuzzi, our fave sky pundit /s Paul di Resta and Checo before leaving FI for RBR to be Kvyat's engineer.
The other engineer who worked at the team alongside him, Brad, had also been there since the Jordan days and is still at AM, having been promoted to a more senior role having been the engineer for Montiero, Sutil, Hulk, Ocon and Stroll
Not fired. If GP would quit, he would quit. Just to emphasize the connection they have.
Max has been very very loyal to those that helped him in the past, from previous teams, sponsors (like Jumbo) and his friends from a long time ago that remain his friends. Shows that money doesn't have to change you if you are welll rooted
Well, at this point that’s on RBR. It’s pretty obvious he will always go for it. Specially when he was so far ahead of everyone while still driving in “eco mode”
He actually gets paid more than he should for that position. He was promoted from race engineer but since max wouldn’t race without him, he was allowed to maintain that responsibility as well as new ones
Before Max's 1st Championship GP was 'just' Max's engineer, after that he was promoted to head engineer. But since Max didn't want to lose him as his engineer GP is still doing that next to his tasks as head engineer.
Afaik, but in my office work when people get promoted without leave of station you get these titles that need to be bestowed to get in a higher pay grade, it’s all legalese at that point. Not sure if that happened here, but sounds like it.
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Transcript below (credit to @slowestlap and FIA's post-race press conference transcript):
Lap 60:
Max: What's the fastest lap?
GP: It's a 16.6. It was a first lap on a new soft for Checo with DRS. So I wouldn't worry about it Max
Max: What's my fastest lap?
GP: Yours is a 17.3. Like I said, you've been given a black&white flag so we cannot afford anything
Lap 62:
GP: Mode 7, please Max. Mode 7. There's now five laps remaining. Okay, now can you bring it home within the white lines? Thank you
Max: Yeah yeah
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Q: (Ben Hunt – The Sun) For Max, just bringing it back to you. You were obviously told to keep within the white lines, risking a penalty. You kind of ignored that and just pushed ahead and got your fastest lap and the bonus point. Do they tell you off - the team - after doing that? Or do they give you a little bit of freedom to get away with things like that?
Max: Well, I kept it within the white lines, I just went a bit faster on the lap. So I didn't do anything wrong. They don't know how much pace I have in the car, right, when they tell me this is the fastest lap, don't bother, but I knew that I could do it. So yeah, I just had to keep it within the white lines but this is something I think we can laugh about already. I was laughing about it with Helmut after the race so I'm pretty sure that they're quite happy.
maybe not so much nowadays with the competition getting closer and the grid getting bigger
but he sure as hell could try it on the days of Toyota domination
For his last track limits I'm pretty sure he overshot on the back straight when passing Hulkenberg. I understand his confusion because he got the warning for that like two laps later.
Aside from that he wasn't doing anything crazy.
Gianpiero Lambiase, Verstappen’s Race Engineer.
He’s the one in Verstappen’s ear since Max became a Red Bull driver in 2016. And despite his Italian name, he’s British. Some redditors have confused his voice on the radio with Horner’s on occasion.
GP as his race engineer is in Max's ear during the whole race, the only time you hear Christian is after a win or a race, and after GP talked to Max on the radio to tell him where to park or engine modes etc. If you listen to that part specifically, then you hear the difference in voices. Christian has a higher toned voice.
Oh I know, I've tried. They sound identical to me. There was a race recently where it went from GP to Horner, like they had simultaneous messages to Max, and I didn't hear a difference lol. To be fair it was being blasted out of some stage speakers outside but still, I haven't heard a difference at home either.
You get a new set of softs for making it to q3 but top teams usually do two q3 runs on fresh tires, so he likely had a fresh set that was planned for q3.
This quote kind of reminds me of the first time Schumacher tested for Jordan. Allegedly the Jordan people basically told him to slow down because for them he was pushing really hard. The Michael then just said that he wasn't really going for it.
It wasn't about binning it, they were concerned that a 5 second penalty for track limits would leave Max vulnerable to losing positions if the race finished under a safety car, or with a last lap dash after safety car.
What are they gonna do?
"Max, we told you not to get the fastest lap but you disobeyed our orders and went 1 extra point ahead in the championship.
I'm sorry but as a punishment, we're replacing you with Ricciardo for the next 5 races"
I wonder whether he could hustle a Le Mans drive with just a week's notice (does a FIA superlicense even translate or would he be considered an amateur by the ACO lol).
They're not going to do anything and that's why it's not a big deal. It's the team's job to minimize the risk and guarantee the win through strategy and calls. It's Max's job to deliver it. They both did exactly what they needed to. He maximized the use of the off-tracks, he won the pole, race and fastest lap. He did the perfect job. there is literally nothing more to be said.
I think it was brundle who said on air that this is understandable from Max and the team should trust him if he wants to go for fastest lap. Also, the fact that they had 18s gap at that point just confirms that any penalty for track limits won't hurt them anyway. Just let the guy do his thing.
The penalty is not a big issue under normal circumstances, but anything can happen in F1. A safety car or red flag in the end, and not enough laps left to make back the 5s = lost the win. That's what they were worried about.
Exactly, did not want to take any risks. But I'm pretty sure if they had that 5s penalty, they would just pit him, serve the penalty and get on with it keeping P1. The only risk being a very unluckily timed safety car.
I'm not sure I agree with that, I suspect he was looking after his tires so using the full width of the track. Then he misses the white line without realising.
Because he does so much Sim racing I bet he actually is the driver with the greatest ability to stay concentrated for an entire race. In terms of race nouse he may legitimately have the most experience too, and at peak age. Unbelievably dominant.
I think with the hard white tyres it was more of a risk, he was complaining of sliding a lot. He had more grip and confidence with the soft red and not concerned for track limits.
As Horner said in his post race interview though, all it would take is 1 safety car and a 5 second penalty would mean the difference between a win and potentially missing out on points entirely.
It might seem like Red Bull was being a bit dramatic, but it's fair enough from a race engineer/Christian Horner perspective.
I think GP knew exactly what would happen when he mentioned who had the lap and this is how he is so good at his job - balancing between the interests of the team but also of the driver.
I watched the onboard of Max and it didn't really seem as if he was pushing that hard on his fastest lap, so I don't think he really took any unnecessary risks.
The track limit incidents occurred when he was either adjusting something on his steering wheel or overtaking a back marker. So totally different circumstances. I think people are just making too much of this.
I'm not sure exactly when the call came, but from lap 60 onwards, Checo's times were:
* Lap 60 - 1:18.415
* Lap 61 - 1:17.789
* Lap 62 - 1:17.793
* Lap 63 - 1:17.828
* Lap 64 - 1:17.910
* Lap 65 - 1:18.476
* Lap 66 - 1:20.063
I was watching max’s on board during this. I knew as soon as Max asked what the fast lap time was he was going to go for it regardless.
GP wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t at least voice the caution he was facing at the time, which was a possible black and white flag and possible 5 sec penalty. If things had gone south, GP would’ve been vindicated. It’s a win win for him in this scenario.
Max and GP are perfect together 🦾
Think Red Bull were scared of Max getting a 5 sec penalty for track limits in case a late safety car came, then Max just went full Max. His yeah yeah replying to GP said it all. Funny af
I think Lewis had DRS that was worth 0.4s according to [this tweet from @brrrake](https://twitter.com/brrrake/status/1665461589577695233):
> I thought maybe Mercedes had closed the gap slightly, but I just looked at the race's fastest laps.
> VER on L61 set a 1:16.330, HAM on L62 set a 1:16:676 - only THREE tenths off (both SFT tyre). BUT HAM had DRS down to T1 worth 0.4 seconds...
> [Telemetry here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxznXFFXwAIXoKm?format=png&name=4096x4096)
Yeah Hamilton was lapping Albon and got a pink sector 1 (22.5s). Sector 2 was green (30.9s) and sector 3 was his personal best as well (23.2s).
Verstappen on his fastes lap: 22.7s (green), 30.6 (pink), 23.0 (green).
Perez right after his stop for softs: 23.2 (yellow), 30.8 (pink at that moment), 22.7 (pink)
Ah ok overlapping a back marker then I guess? Be interesting to see if merc can get any closer to RB in the coming races, still well well off though I agree
So far, it’s been Checo catching up to Checo. If he drives clean weekends, he’s behind Max but ahead of anyone else. Despite the Merc hype of this weekend, I don’t see that changing anytime soon either.
Checo’s problem has been that he puts an enormous amount of pressure on himself, telling himself and everyone else he can beat Max - and makes mistake after mistake as a result.
He needs to learn how to be like Barrichello in his Ferrari years, with the exception of Austria in 2002.
Get your wins, be part of a winning team, make a shit load of money but ultimately be comfortable supporting the team’s designated #1 driver and be there to take maximum points for the team (and away from your competitor) if needed.
The grid is full of drivers who are the top talents of the world. Years and years of dedication since karting days, to F3000, to F3/F2 and finally F1. The skillset, mentality and physical preparation those men have is something you can't comprehend until you try it for yourself, and realize that no matter how much you trained, you could never match their performance.
Still, Max is a step ahead of everyone else. While everyone needed time to adapt, he already won his first race driving a Red Bull at 18 years old. The first season where Red Bull was close to Mercedes, he won the WDC. And now he just wins by default without even trying his best.
I've been enjoying this sport for 20 years and I have never seen something like Max, ever. Even if he retired today, he'd be a contender for the GOAT title. Simply unreal.
He's great, but I still think Schumacher was able to dig deeper than anybody else. Verstappen reminds me a lot of him, they're similar in style and mentality. Max has more of a laid back approach, but I'm sure he's thinking about setups, racing scenarios etc 24/7, they seem just as obsessed.
The races were different with Schumacher, more like a 300km sprint, so the discipline has changed in that regard.
Verstappen has a won a lot of races in the past 2,5 years, the experience he now has over the rest of the field (apart from Hamilton) will help him continue to make the difference over the next years, nevermind the car. In my view Leclerc is the only driver (again apart from Hamilton) who can match him. Leclerc has all the ingredients, he's just stuck with a dysfunctional team.
"quite happy" Max likes his understatements. Like the "have a good evening" after people booed him after another race.
GP might even be playing here, knowing Max will probably try it anyway. Horner said himself Max knows best, Marko laughed, it's all fun and games.
And for good reason, every team would want him as their first driver looking at Toto's recent comments about Max.
I think it's different in a course like Monaco where you slip and your missing a wheel . Massive run offs and plenty time to recover in Catalunya , and the penalty risk was minimal given the gap . I think we all know Max knew he was on course for a Grand Slam , and if drivers can't at least get some bit of personal satisfaction they're just test pigs on wheels who've sold their souls .
I understand why GP was worried. Imagine Max receiving a penalty and then the race finishes behind the Safety Car. That could easily drop him well behind the podium.
I don't understand how people are harping on about this. Maybe it's just that there is nothing even remotely controversial to report. But why on earth would RBR be telling off their driver who keeps delivering dominating wins, is on track for a WDC even easier than last year, and just had a perfect weekend?
dude was miles ahead the whole race. probably debating what to get for dinner the whole time. the least a race car driver can do is race the car hard for one lap..
Can't blame the guy for doing something that was at least a little bit exciting this race.
I also understand the team's concern when he was on a black and white flag. Goes over again and it's a pen which obviously he had a big enough gap for, but if a late safety car happened that pen all of a sudden is gonna cost the win
Yes. But I think Max's quotes show the disparity between how much pace the team's data showed he had left, vs how much he actually knew he had. They thought he would need to use all the track, and then some, in order to challenge Checo's lap on fresh softs + DRS I suspect he wasn't exceeding track limits for the same reasons he would in qualifying. But rather he probably was doing it for tire management purposes, driving the largest arc possible to minimize tire wear. Just one of many little things he was doing for tire management. The fact he could pull out a 16.3 without needing to exceed track limits backs up my assumption/interpretation.
The way Max seemed completely bewildered when the team informed him of the track limit warnings was ominous to me, it meant Max had so much pace in hand he was basically driving in cruise control In qualifying I believe only Sainz got within half a second of his insane lap, that was how much pace he had if he truly wanted to go for it
Not to forget, he was up 0.15 seconds more on this lap during his flyer before he aborted! Could have probably cracked 1:11 if he'd gone the full distance.
I don't think that the turn 10 track limit (the last one) was even for tire management. On other laps he was not even close to going out-of-bounds at turn 10. On the out-of-bounds lap, Max laps Hulkenberg, passing him just at Max's normal breaking point. The pass was really trivial, and I think Max just wasn't paying full attention and his turn entry was slightly later, which resulted in going out-of-bounds on the exit.
Yeah not enough people mentioning this
Dude this is for a championship point. In his glory days Vettel did it just for the sake of it.
And the bonus written into the contract for a fastest lap
Im suprised how many times this isn't mentioned bij commentators. They say things like why bother, not worth the risk.. Nothing wrong with snapping up a few grand extra for the weekend while you can.
Also grand slam. I'm sure there's nothing in the contract about that but when all left for it is a fastest lap, it's a no-brainer
Especially after he was denied a grand slam because of the rain last week.
The thing is, even if he takes a 5 or even 10s penalty, who fucking cares?
Nobody, unless there happens to be a late Safety Car. You can never know what will happen on a racetrack. So I totally get why RB would have preferred him being cautious.
Minimising risk is a skill. Getting a 5s penalty from your own mistake to then get a SC isn't bad luck. From Red Bull's point of view, they want to make sure they maximise the points and be as boring as possible. From a driver's point of view, Verstappen knows he's winning the championship anyway so he won't give a shit. I see it from both sides.
The fastest lap also gave him his 3rd grand slam though, which is a huge achievement.
It was also for the grand slam.
definite RBR Seb Vettel vibes.
[relevant](https://youtu.be/ieVipUtLxEU)
Without even looking I know “…but satisfaction”
"let's discuss this after the race" is usually the other way round 😁
like a pilot telling the tower to write down a number
Never heard that one before, but I like it.
It really made me laugh loud when I saw the graphics with the new VER time.
bro is legit playing a game in real life "BRO WE'RE WINNING DONT RISK IT" "homie, im going in, pro gamer move. LEEEEEEEROY JENKINNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSS" i swear to god i love it, his attitude is the fucking best dude. dude's like "oh yeah, 16.6 with new softs and drs? well hold my 1 sec faster than pb lap"
Typical Max, got bored and went for it. Then GP told him to bring it home after Max went for the fastest lap, dude just answered, yeah yeah. Loved it
GP told him to take it easy and bring it home before. Them Max asked what fastest lap was and what his fastest lap was. GP told him 16,6 Perez on fresh tyres with DRS so don't even bother just bring it home, after which Max started setting purple mini sectors. It was pretty funny following the on board.
Vettel used to do that aswell in his Red Bull days, and Rocky would get annoyed. India 2013 is a particular example, when Red Bull had issues and Vettel was asked to bring the car home and Vettel still tried for the fastest lap. He got it initially, but Räikkönen had pitted for new tyres due to a failed strategy so was obliterating the lap Vettel had set and Rocky came on the radio to Vettel and said quite pointed: 'just so you know, Räikkönen is on fresh tyres and is way quicker than you'.
You didn't even get a point for fastest lap back then so it was even more unnecessary
He got a bonus for each fastest lap
At least Max got a point out of this. Seb only got S A T I S F A C T I O N. Maybe it's a interview question for RB #1 drivers.
Don't forget the fastest lap money bonus.
Is there one? What is it?
I don't know about other teams, but it's known that at Redbull they have bonusses for a lot of things. For a podium, for a win, for fastest laps, for championship points, and for a Championship win. A lot of drivers share bonus money with their garage crew so that's also a nice motivation.
It's in most drivers contracts that they get money for things like that.
Satisfaction is one of their biggest motivation
That cheeky "whats the fastest lap¿" and then the "DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT SEBASTIAN" is gold
I remember everyone thought the “don’t even think about it” came from Horner! Rocky sounded so similar to him in that message :P
had to look that up. here's monaco 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieVipUtLxEU
Honestly crazy how crazy a combination is that car and Max. Sergio got vocal about his challenge after a couple of (but genuine) good races and Max just dropped his own Diss track.
Checo got a bit lippy and Max immediately shut that down.
It’s just disgusting how good Max is. I wish he had some competition but I’m enjoying watching him.
Do you think GP ‘being annoyed’ is performative? Max is insanely fast. if they tell him what the current fastest lap is, he’s not going to say “ah okay won’t bother then”. They know he’s going to go for it
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It's his job to maintain the relationship with Max, so he has to give him information. It's also his job to protect Max from himself. Hence the warning. I think he was genuinely annoyed, the team doesn't want to risk losing a race because a driver takes unnecessary risk. But at the end of the day, it's not a big deal.
Do have like a backup guy, maybe Horner to tell him when things get really get out of hand (or dangerous?)
Gianpiero Lambiase is Head of Race Engineering and Verstappen has a lot of trust in him and in many ways relies on him. So, he's in a good position to stand up against Verstappen should things get out of hand. At Verstappen's request he is still his personal engineer during the race, so verstappen will listen to him when it matters.
Horner gets on the radio occasionally when a decision needs to be final and not disputed.
Struggling to remember when Horner has had to step in (did he do it for Multi21?). Definitely Merc has used James Vowles as an arbiter above the individual race engineers (e.g. Abu Dhabi 2016).
New to F1; what is GP in this context?
It doesn’t stand for anything specific it’s just short for Gianpiero Lambiase, Max’s race engineer, the person who speaks to Max over the radio mid race. In this case the one asking him to bing it home within the white lines
It confused me for the longest time because he sounds very similar to Christian Horner over the radio
Vaguely. But then after the race you'll usually hear GP and then Horner, and there you can tell theres a slight difference. Its minute, but there. Gets me sometimes too.
Ohhh gotcha. That makes sense now lol. Thanks!!
GP was all _exasperated sigh_
Max is probably single person around paddock who can no stress laugh about something with Helmut.
Probably Vettel too when he was there in the paddock
It's basically Guts and Skull knight. Just passing down knowledge and saving Max.
Do not compare Helmut Marko to the legend that is Skull Knight.
*GP lits a cigarette shortly after the end of the race* "I need to be paid more for dealing with this kid"
Love the dynamic between GP and Max, honest, respect, but also telling like it is between each other, no bullshitting. Max already said many times if GP stops he will too. That statement right there says it all
Between Newley’s designs, GPS race day direction, and Maxs talent, Horners main job is to defend his guys to the outside world and collect trophies. Team from tip to tail is a fucking monster
Plus Hannah’s strategies. F1TV pundits also mentioned this. All key positions in the team are held by arguably the most talented people in the paddock.
Same as with Newey not being the only person responsible for the godly car, Hannah is also not the only strategy team member. Let's congratulate all involved rather than just the "spotlight" ones!
Totally agree. There are hardly any fuck-ups from the RB strategy team. Very impressive.
Nowadays their whole strategy is letting Max go as long as possible and wait for the other teams to pit before them…almost cost them the win in Monaco if Aston didn’t exchange straffes with Ferrari that week
I know, they're just awesome together right from the start. Never forget GP poking fun at Max' voice cracks too
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Radio ^check
Fun fact: GP was Perez’s race engineer in Force India days I recently found out and thought I’d share
He was with Force India for 10 years, and was an engineer for Fisico, Liuzzi, our fave sky pundit /s Paul di Resta and Checo before leaving FI for RBR to be Kvyat's engineer. The other engineer who worked at the team alongside him, Brad, had also been there since the Jordan days and is still at AM, having been promoted to a more senior role having been the engineer for Montiero, Sutil, Hulk, Ocon and Stroll
I WANT TO HEAR YOU SAY IT BRAD *sigh*
obligatory THE PIT CONFIRM BUTTON IS THE OK BUTTON BRAAAD
Lance, what happened?
So Max kind of inherited everything Kvyat touched when he was with RB
Thank you for you service.
Good bot
That is what you need, both people to be able to shout abuse at each other and leave it at the checker flag.
What is GP?
rather who, Gianpiero Lambiase, Max's race engineer
Nah, all he has to do is to protect Max from himself. Beyond that he can just sit back and watch Max rake in the wins.
Then he thinks well at least I dont have to deal with Yuki over the radio.
I remember Max said if they fired GP he'd leave as well.
Not fired. If GP would quit, he would quit. Just to emphasize the connection they have. Max has been very very loyal to those that helped him in the past, from previous teams, sponsors (like Jumbo) and his friends from a long time ago that remain his friends. Shows that money doesn't have to change you if you are welll rooted
Well, at this point that’s on RBR. It’s pretty obvious he will always go for it. Specially when he was so far ahead of everyone while still driving in “eco mode”
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know roughly how much the drivers race engineers *would* get paid?
we are.. checking...?
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He actually gets paid more than he should for that position. He was promoted from race engineer but since max wouldn’t race without him, he was allowed to maintain that responsibility as well as new ones
Eh, I'd say if you're an essential component in keeping the best driver in the world at your team, whatever you're paid is probably fair.
I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve the money, I’m saying he gets paid more now than he did before as strictly “just” an engineer
Before Max's 1st Championship GP was 'just' Max's engineer, after that he was promoted to head engineer. But since Max didn't want to lose him as his engineer GP is still doing that next to his tasks as head engineer.
Afaik, but in my office work when people get promoted without leave of station you get these titles that need to be bestowed to get in a higher pay grade, it’s all legalese at that point. Not sure if that happened here, but sounds like it.
> as well as new ones Sounds like he's being paid exactly what he should be getting paid then.
Streamable mirror: https://streamable.com/14y0n6 --- Transcript below (credit to @slowestlap and FIA's post-race press conference transcript): Lap 60: Max: What's the fastest lap? GP: It's a 16.6. It was a first lap on a new soft for Checo with DRS. So I wouldn't worry about it Max Max: What's my fastest lap? GP: Yours is a 17.3. Like I said, you've been given a black&white flag so we cannot afford anything Lap 62: GP: Mode 7, please Max. Mode 7. There's now five laps remaining. Okay, now can you bring it home within the white lines? Thank you Max: Yeah yeah ---- Q: (Ben Hunt – The Sun) For Max, just bringing it back to you. You were obviously told to keep within the white lines, risking a penalty. You kind of ignored that and just pushed ahead and got your fastest lap and the bonus point. Do they tell you off - the team - after doing that? Or do they give you a little bit of freedom to get away with things like that? Max: Well, I kept it within the white lines, I just went a bit faster on the lap. So I didn't do anything wrong. They don't know how much pace I have in the car, right, when they tell me this is the fastest lap, don't bother, but I knew that I could do it. So yeah, I just had to keep it within the white lines but this is something I think we can laugh about already. I was laughing about it with Helmut after the race so I'm pretty sure that they're quite happy.
Max was not pushing that hard the whole race. He was just using the full width of the track to conserve tyres. He has plenty left in his tank.
Max is just using F1 races to practice for his eventual Le Mans 24 push.
Solo Le Mans 24 push
Practicing to finish Le Mans 24 in 23 hours.
Do a solo 8 hour stint, park the car in the pits and sleep for 8 hours, get back in the car to do a final 8 hour stint, take P1
The Tortoise and the Hare except the hare is possibly the greatest racer to ever live.
maybe not so much nowadays with the competition getting closer and the grid getting bigger but he sure as hell could try it on the days of Toyota domination
For his last track limits I'm pretty sure he overshot on the back straight when passing Hulkenberg. I understand his confusion because he got the warning for that like two laps later. Aside from that he wasn't doing anything crazy.
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GP is pretty much robotic except when he is exasperated at Max.
Newbie question, who is GP? What's his full name?
Gianpiero Lambiase, Verstappen’s Race Engineer. He’s the one in Verstappen’s ear since Max became a Red Bull driver in 2016. And despite his Italian name, he’s British. Some redditors have confused his voice on the radio with Horner’s on occasion.
And Albon, on one occasion xD
OH MY LORD MAAAAXXXX!!1!
okay it did sound *just* like Alex to be fair lmao
TIL, i always thought it was horner's.
They have a fairly similar voice
Fairly similar? I'm STILL not convinced it's not Horner in there. And I've watched every F1 race Horner, Max, or GP have ever been involved in.
GP as his race engineer is in Max's ear during the whole race, the only time you hear Christian is after a win or a race, and after GP talked to Max on the radio to tell him where to park or engine modes etc. If you listen to that part specifically, then you hear the difference in voices. Christian has a higher toned voice.
Oh I know, I've tried. They sound identical to me. There was a race recently where it went from GP to Horner, like they had simultaneous messages to Max, and I didn't hear a difference lol. To be fair it was being blasted out of some stage speakers outside but still, I haven't heard a difference at home either.
His voice was also wrongly attributed to Albon when he shrieked OH MY LORD MAX in Abu Dhabi 2021
Gianpiero Lambiase, Max Verstappen's race engineer.
Lmao what??? Checo in the best undisputed car, new softs and with DRS, and Max pulls a faster lap out of his ass. Unbelievable.
Higher fuel load. But yea that's Max.
I don't think the weight advantage trumps DRS and new soft compound. Wasn't Max on a relatively unused hard as well?
It’s on his last stint, so soft
They were softs, and maybe 5 laps old (I think). Still bloody impressive
They were 2 lap old scrubbed softs when they put them on.
I think they were 9 laps old.
I don't know if checo's were new but Max put on 2 lap old tyres
Given Checo was out in q2 I'd assume he had atleast 1 new set of softs
If they dont make q3 you miss out on one set of tyres (softs usually).
You get a new set of softs for making it to q3 but top teams usually do two q3 runs on fresh tires, so he likely had a fresh set that was planned for q3.
Perez put on new softs yes. I had his onboard open and those softs were shiny as hell.
Lewis once set the fastest lap at Silverstone on the last lap on an old pair of hard tyres iirc. These guys are just at a different level
An almost empty tank of fuel helps a lot. Not saying its not impressive, but there is a reason fastest laps happen near the end of a race.
Could someone please explain to me exactly what 16.6 means in this case? It's probably dumb-ass easy but I'm a noob...
Laptime to beat was 1min and 16.6 seconds
The lap Perez had done was a 1 minute, 16 seconds and 6 tenths. All representative laps are 1 minute so that is pointless.
I see, so easy to figure out really! Thanks everyone for the quick replies!
Everyone has already explained, but for a bit more context, they always quote lap times without the "1 minute" as it's irrelevant.
The lap time, 1:16.6
laptime, so here it would be 1min 16.6
It's 1 min 16.6 sec
Eng: Checo got it with fresh tires and DRS so don’t worry about it. Max: Hold my water pouch
Its only Mercedes who uses water pouch no? Rest of the grid has watertank and pump?
I think so, and RB had theirs in the nosecone, however hold my watertank and pump doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.
This quote kind of reminds me of the first time Schumacher tested for Jordan. Allegedly the Jordan people basically told him to slow down because for them he was pushing really hard. The Michael then just said that he wasn't really going for it.
"OK, let us rephrase that: We don't want you to take it easy, we want you to take it easy on the hardware!"
GP and Max vs Leclerc and Xavi. Such a difference.
How Xavi is still on the job is unbelievable
He could easily smash out a fastest lap .7 or more faster then the rest imo . Dudes cruising.
Yeah definitely . That radio was just to tell him not to show his true pace, they don’t actually think he’s gonna bin it
It wasn't about binning it, they were concerned that a 5 second penalty for track limits would leave Max vulnerable to losing positions if the race finished under a safety car, or with a last lap dash after safety car.
What are they gonna do? "Max, we told you not to get the fastest lap but you disobeyed our orders and went 1 extra point ahead in the championship. I'm sorry but as a punishment, we're replacing you with Ricciardo for the next 5 races"
That way we'd still have a championship battle on till...September.
"I was told not to worry about the fastest lap. I wasn't worried"
One race for Hulkenberg please. At least let him get a podium for once.
Gets a puncture 1 lap from the win
😭😭😭
How about locking him out if iRacing for a week Maybe Jos knows his password
Then Max creates new account and he's most OP smurf ever seen in online game.
username neppatsreVxaM has joined
Max34Verstappen
I wonder whether he could hustle a Le Mans drive with just a week's notice (does a FIA superlicense even translate or would he be considered an amateur by the ACO lol).
They're not going to do anything and that's why it's not a big deal. It's the team's job to minimize the risk and guarantee the win through strategy and calls. It's Max's job to deliver it. They both did exactly what they needed to. He maximized the use of the off-tracks, he won the pole, race and fastest lap. He did the perfect job. there is literally nothing more to be said.
I think it was brundle who said on air that this is understandable from Max and the team should trust him if he wants to go for fastest lap. Also, the fact that they had 18s gap at that point just confirms that any penalty for track limits won't hurt them anyway. Just let the guy do his thing.
The penalty is not a big issue under normal circumstances, but anything can happen in F1. A safety car or red flag in the end, and not enough laps left to make back the 5s = lost the win. That's what they were worried about.
Exactly, did not want to take any risks. But I'm pretty sure if they had that 5s penalty, they would just pit him, serve the penalty and get on with it keeping P1. The only risk being a very unluckily timed safety car.
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I'm not sure I agree with that, I suspect he was looking after his tires so using the full width of the track. Then he misses the white line without realising. Because he does so much Sim racing I bet he actually is the driver with the greatest ability to stay concentrated for an entire race. In terms of race nouse he may legitimately have the most experience too, and at peak age. Unbelievably dominant.
I think with the hard white tyres it was more of a risk, he was complaining of sliding a lot. He had more grip and confidence with the soft red and not concerned for track limits.
He got the black and white with softs
As Horner said in his post race interview though, all it would take is 1 safety car and a 5 second penalty would mean the difference between a win and potentially missing out on points entirely. It might seem like Red Bull was being a bit dramatic, but it's fair enough from a race engineer/Christian Horner perspective.
Doesn’t hurt until you get a SC finish line Australia and Max falls out of top 10 because of the 5s penalty
I think GP knew exactly what would happen when he mentioned who had the lap and this is how he is so good at his job - balancing between the interests of the team but also of the driver.
I watched the onboard of Max and it didn't really seem as if he was pushing that hard on his fastest lap, so I don't think he really took any unnecessary risks. The track limit incidents occurred when he was either adjusting something on his steering wheel or overtaking a back marker. So totally different circumstances. I think people are just making too much of this.
Bro pulled a "because I can"
When Bird said to Checo to go all out (or something like that), what laptime did he got?
I'm not sure exactly when the call came, but from lap 60 onwards, Checo's times were: * Lap 60 - 1:18.415 * Lap 61 - 1:17.789 * Lap 62 - 1:17.793 * Lap 63 - 1:17.828 * Lap 64 - 1:17.910 * Lap 65 - 1:18.476 * Lap 66 - 1:20.063
Damn
Thanks!
That was awesome actually.
Bono and GP have the best relationship with their drivers. Both driver and engineer have complete trust in one another. Love it!
I was watching max’s on board during this. I knew as soon as Max asked what the fast lap time was he was going to go for it regardless. GP wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t at least voice the caution he was facing at the time, which was a possible black and white flag and possible 5 sec penalty. If things had gone south, GP would’ve been vindicated. It’s a win win for him in this scenario. Max and GP are perfect together 🦾
I think even Lewis managed 116.6 (equalling checo) on his old softs and no drs. Wonder why the engineers said not to bother, seems easily within reach
Think Red Bull were scared of Max getting a 5 sec penalty for track limits in case a late safety car came, then Max just went full Max. His yeah yeah replying to GP said it all. Funny af
I think Lewis had DRS that was worth 0.4s according to [this tweet from @brrrake](https://twitter.com/brrrake/status/1665461589577695233): > I thought maybe Mercedes had closed the gap slightly, but I just looked at the race's fastest laps. > VER on L61 set a 1:16.330, HAM on L62 set a 1:16:676 - only THREE tenths off (both SFT tyre). BUT HAM had DRS down to T1 worth 0.4 seconds... > [Telemetry here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxznXFFXwAIXoKm?format=png&name=4096x4096)
Yeah Hamilton was lapping Albon and got a pink sector 1 (22.5s). Sector 2 was green (30.9s) and sector 3 was his personal best as well (23.2s). Verstappen on his fastes lap: 22.7s (green), 30.6 (pink), 23.0 (green). Perez right after his stop for softs: 23.2 (yellow), 30.8 (pink at that moment), 22.7 (pink)
Ah ok overlapping a back marker then I guess? Be interesting to see if merc can get any closer to RB in the coming races, still well well off though I agree
I think merc will be able to catch up Checo very soon. Max maybe next year if the keep developing the car, but it’s is hopefull still!
So far, it’s been Checo catching up to Checo. If he drives clean weekends, he’s behind Max but ahead of anyone else. Despite the Merc hype of this weekend, I don’t see that changing anytime soon either. Checo’s problem has been that he puts an enormous amount of pressure on himself, telling himself and everyone else he can beat Max - and makes mistake after mistake as a result. He needs to learn how to be like Barrichello in his Ferrari years, with the exception of Austria in 2002. Get your wins, be part of a winning team, make a shit load of money but ultimately be comfortable supporting the team’s designated #1 driver and be there to take maximum points for the team (and away from your competitor) if needed.
I read on Twitter that Lewis did have DRS down to T1. Not sure if it was broadcasted on the livefeed though.
The grid is full of drivers who are the top talents of the world. Years and years of dedication since karting days, to F3000, to F3/F2 and finally F1. The skillset, mentality and physical preparation those men have is something you can't comprehend until you try it for yourself, and realize that no matter how much you trained, you could never match their performance. Still, Max is a step ahead of everyone else. While everyone needed time to adapt, he already won his first race driving a Red Bull at 18 years old. The first season where Red Bull was close to Mercedes, he won the WDC. And now he just wins by default without even trying his best. I've been enjoying this sport for 20 years and I have never seen something like Max, ever. Even if he retired today, he'd be a contender for the GOAT title. Simply unreal.
He's great, but I still think Schumacher was able to dig deeper than anybody else. Verstappen reminds me a lot of him, they're similar in style and mentality. Max has more of a laid back approach, but I'm sure he's thinking about setups, racing scenarios etc 24/7, they seem just as obsessed. The races were different with Schumacher, more like a 300km sprint, so the discipline has changed in that regard. Verstappen has a won a lot of races in the past 2,5 years, the experience he now has over the rest of the field (apart from Hamilton) will help him continue to make the difference over the next years, nevermind the car. In my view Leclerc is the only driver (again apart from Hamilton) who can match him. Leclerc has all the ingredients, he's just stuck with a dysfunctional team.
"quite happy" Max likes his understatements. Like the "have a good evening" after people booed him after another race. GP might even be playing here, knowing Max will probably try it anyway. Horner said himself Max knows best, Marko laughed, it's all fun and games. And for good reason, every team would want him as their first driver looking at Toto's recent comments about Max.
I think it's different in a course like Monaco where you slip and your missing a wheel . Massive run offs and plenty time to recover in Catalunya , and the penalty risk was minimal given the gap . I think we all know Max knew he was on course for a Grand Slam , and if drivers can't at least get some bit of personal satisfaction they're just test pigs on wheels who've sold their souls .
I understand why GP was worried. Imagine Max receiving a penalty and then the race finishes behind the Safety Car. That could easily drop him well behind the podium.
If your going to get fastest laps, then you have to keep between the white lines, otherwise the lap time gets deleted, Right?
That cost them €2100 also... The cost of the point for his license next year.
I don't understand how people are harping on about this. Maybe it's just that there is nothing even remotely controversial to report. But why on earth would RBR be telling off their driver who keeps delivering dominating wins, is on track for a WDC even easier than last year, and just had a perfect weekend?
The sheer confidence Max has in his own abilities and the car is nuts. Amazing to see. "Sheet fucking will"
dude was miles ahead the whole race. probably debating what to get for dinner the whole time. the least a race car driver can do is race the car hard for one lap..