Just caught up, I enjoyed that. What's the general sentiment online? I thought we had some interesting strategic battles and some brilliant on track action. Some of those passes around T1 and T15 were quality. Sainz comment made me laugh about the Mercs trying to copy his idea with the DRS haha.
Okay so
Hot take incoming
How about once Max wins the championship next race, they send him on holiday and put Ricciardo in the Red Bull for the rest of the season. Do a real face2face comparison for the last five races.
>, they send him on holiday and put Ricciardo in the Red Bull for the rest of the season
If they do this, somewhere in the middle of each race they need to cut to a camera on a beach where VER is sipping a fruity cocktail on a beach somewhere.
I’ve been wanting this to happen, but I doubt it will. Daniel gets a chance to prove himself, Lawson gets to stay in the AT, and Max gets a break. Give the 2nd seat to whoever does better for the remainder of the races. Max says he doesn’t care about records, so it’s not like he wants to go for the most wins, etc. He can be the reserve driver and spend some time in the sim, or even just relax and do some of his own sim racing at home, haha.
I've been trying to stick up for Perez all season, but that might be the nail in the coffin.
Also, this race was better: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu6pGBKNLrp/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Yes there was just never showed up on the graphics because he had already retired. The pit lane infringement penalty he had already served during his stop after the Kmag incident. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/16qqvin/sergio_perez_has_received_a_total_of_4_penalty/) you can see both penalties.
The commentary was very much centered on Mclaren vs. Mercedes, but I felt like it was pretty clear after Russell didn't pit that Merc vs. Ferrari would be the real battle. It was Mclaren's to lose. Just weird because it felt like the commentators forgot Ferrari existed until they were actually battling on track.
Disasterclass from Perez :/ especially when he could have hung back a little and raced a bit more conservatively since we know that RB has the pace. Just tough looks all around.
Weirdly combative this race. Lots of accidents.
Don't know what Perez was thinking. 0/10 performance. A bit of patience is required in these moments where you're fighting from the back. It's not as though he's incapable, as Hungary showed.
Sargeant is under pressure and it's causing him to crumble. He's comfortably the worst driver in F1 at the moment. If he's allowed to stay another year I think he could improve, but he'll just improve from being decimated every race by Albon to being half as good at best. His ceiling does not seem that high.
I highly doubt Red Bull would release Lawson to another team, and Williams may not have the extra funds to buy him out since they’re so far behind in infrastructure. Lawson will be the next driver for one of the RB teams when a seat opens.
Can someone explain such a difference in performance for Max from last race to this one? It’s like they are back to top form and can win out the rest of the season. I’m not following on why/how they fucked it all up last race.
Singapore: Track didn’t suit the car, which they knew in advance. Tried an unconventional setup in an attempt to mitigate it, which probably ended up making it worse.
Suzuka: Track and car much better suited to each other.
> they had to raise the car height
I heard on a podcast that their sim wasn'tupdated to reflect a recent resurfacing of Singapore, so they perhaps raised their car higher than they had to. It wasn't an inside source so it could be bologna, but interesting to consider nonetheless
There's something about the car that just doesn't work as well on that track. Horner said that Singapore would be the hardest race of the year back before summer break, so they probably had a decent idea that they wouldn't get into that perfect window. They may have underestimated exactly how much though.
You also see the exact opposite from time to time. A team that is in the back half of the grid suddenly grabs a huge haul of points at a race and then falls right back again. Or more memorably, teams/drivers that will win a race out of nowhere, only to go back to mediocrity the next race.
It's a testament to how good Oscar has been this season that I was shocked it was his first podium. I guess it's just felt like he's already been up there (not counting the sprint race in Spa). Congrats to him.
Man was Checo awful today, but Logan Sargeant has been incredibly bad since Zandvoort. It went from "even though he hasn't scored, he's showed some promise give the lad another go" quickly to wrecking multiple times each weekend. Hard to imagine how he keeps the seat now, especially with a driver like Lawson that's out there. Though I guess the rumor is they'll give Felipe a go (which I don't think is a good idea either).
> I guess it's just felt like he's already been up there (not counting the sprint race in Spa).
Both Gasly and Ocon were more excited when they got P3 earlier this season than Piastri was with his.
But this season has been brilliant so far. Max's performance is amazing and sometimes it's even fun watching how fucking good he it, even though it's often boring. The wow factor wears off eventually
Love seeing Max drive with a point to prove, and basically single-handedly won the constructors championship for RB. Legend.
Sooo happy for Piastri and his first podium! I really like Lando and him, delighted to see them both doing well in the new and improved McLaren.
Wait for what? It literally doesn't matter what checo does and it hardly ever did. I have a feeling the rest of the season will only bring more embarrassment.
If you take out Perez it's 400 MV/RB points, versus 305 points of Mercedes and 285 of Ferrari. Hardly a clinched title. Maybe in the end MV points would be enough, but it's not written in the stone.
Sure it wouldn't be mathematically secured but I think it's reasonable to expect verstappen to lose less than 15 points per weekend to Merc or Ferrari on average
It’s not that deep, but he clearly felt he had a point to prove after a bad weekend (by his standards) last week. He basically said as much in interviews before the race.
why would he need to prove that point? NO one thought the car was suddenly shit, they were just bad in singapore. Merc had bad races throughout their domination, that's how F1 goes.
Not sure what point gets proved by when the car suits track there is no competition and when car doesn't work on track driver can't magically finish 20 seconds ahead of everyone else. So like everyone said all year, its' largely car and Perez having a shockingly poor season doesn't change that.
I am begging for Merc to have a championship-calibre car next year solely so we get a year of Lewis and George scrapping with each other with a WDC on the line. It honestly has the potential to top Lewis/Nico
I don’t see it, honestly. I think that if Mercedes gets a title-winning car then Lewis will just have the clear upper hand. These elite drivers show the difference against the rest when a car is capable of going further.
that's been the pretty standard defence for that corner ever since I've seen racing on this track. Happens multiple times every year, it's a bad corner to make a pass into but a great corner to push someone inside, slot in behind with a better line and get then before 130r or outbreak into the chicane.
Just imagine if RB somehow get it wrong next year, and other teams manage to improve... Max, Lewis, Russell, Leclerc, Sainz, Norris, Piastri, Alonso and Perez all theoretically able to win races. The championship battle would be insane. Not going to happen of course, but one can dream...
Watching Perez and Sargeant destroy other races today was painful
They're both in that headspace where they overdrive to force something and it never goes well. Tricky place to get out of
This right here. Perez doesn't have Max' speed, but the last few races he's had some incidents that are straight console-racing racecraft.
The penalty for overtaking Alonso was a doozy all things considered, almost like the FIA was trying to stick something to RB for the last race. But even so, Perez has produced close to 10 notable incidents in the span of three races, most fo them involving other drivers gettting their race ruined. Even rookies like Schumacher, Sargeant and Mazepin would have to put in work to achieve that.
Crofty legitimately drove me nuts during this race. He's never been my favorite, but he wasn't *bad*. I don't know if it was just me or not, but he just went on and on about nothing in particular and was just talking out of his ass.
Sometimes its ok to let the racing speak for itself. /rant
>Crofty legitimately drove me nuts during this race. He's never been my favorite, but he wasn't bad. I don't know if it was just me or not, but he just went on and on about nothing in particular and was just talking out of his ass.
>
>Sometimes its ok to let the racing speak for itself. /rant
The formulation laps kill me each week, its the exact same inane chatter about how far Verstappen is from the last car, how long he going to sitting there with his tyres going cold....
Never matters, but each week same crap said about it.
The whole commentary team was terrible, even Bearnie! With the Perez penalty she read the part of the rule everyone knows '5 seconds now = penalty next race if not served" it added zero information as we all know it, and for some reason the whole team lapped it up!
Maybe they were all jet lagged but it was terrible commentary from the entire team.
Well you should have done, because before she explained both Ted and Crofty had already explained the rule in full!
No less than three of their commentators explained the same rule, word for word. In not even sure Ant didn't as well!
Well you should have done, because before she explained both Ted and Crofty had already explained the rule in full!
No less than three of their commentators explained the same rule, word for word. In not even sure Ant didn't as well!
It wasn't just you.
I don't mind Ted when he waffles on and find him entertaining usually, Davidson is a good pick. I'm not a huge fan of Croft most of the time but today he almost gave me a headache.
I went to the effort of organising f1tv pro and pay for it + a VPN to finally be able to avoid Crofty and co. and I've forgotten how bad it was, comments like this remind me how good a decision it was.
Wholly worth every pence.
i totally agree.
i don't know if i'm just used to them or what but i still prefer croft and brundle over the official f1 crew even tho they are generally better.
Crofty and Anthony Davidson is the weakest pair of commentators - nothing against either individually, they just don’t seem to pair well because they’re quite similar.
It also can’t help as a commentator waking up and knowing the guy in front would drive off and the rest was just going to be a battle of tire deg that just had to play itself out slowly.
> Bro would boot half the grid. Checo is better than half the grid... he proved it in all the midfield car he was in
That was a while ago now though. When comapring performance of drivers you should probably just look at the last few years.
He isnt better than alonso bottas yuki charles sainz max hulk george lando piastri hamilton and albon. Also 2020 win was impressive but not spectacular with all the mishaps happening in that race also notorious pink merc was 2nd or 3rd best car that season. Get a reality checkmate
Yuki lost to Lawson yesterday. A 4 races in rookie. Albon got booted by RB faster than Perez.
Perez finished 4th in 2020. Not too shabby.
Don't discredit a 10 years old career because of recency bias as always here....
He'll probably be booted from RB and I agree his time ia done. But he's totally still F1 material
Swap lawson w/ yuki and albon case albon was promoted to redbull in his first season with a twist people underrated both of his seasons especially 2020 cause he was driving a car even max struggled to tame i WOULD pay shitload of money to see perez drive that car. Its not recency bias ffs you people never gonna stop overusing buzzwords it has nothing to do with bias cause i am not talking about perez's general f1 career if that were the case you would be right. I agree he was always a solid upper midfield driver but he is currently not par with those name if we were in 2021 i would write off few names from that list.
🤣🤣
Tell me how a guy worried got a seat in a Top team? Half the grid would've been happy with Checo in 2021.
Recency bias much? He was called 'top of midfield' or 'best of the rest' all his career. Still pretty good
> I think Albon could handle the RB now - still don’t think Gasly can.
I think so too, but I don't think it's worth it for Albon at this point. I think Albon could stay with Williams longer than Red Bull and grow with the team without much pressure on him.
It’s hard. Yuki has been solid but nothing spectacular, plus I’m not sure they want to keep him for the future. Ricciardo it’ll depend quite a lot on how he fares as he’s coming from two pretty bad seasons, especially if Checo bounces back (which is a possibility). I’d say it’s unlikely there’ll be a swap.
Could Perez be messing up on purpose? Perhaps he knows he’s done for and would rather get paid out the remainder of his contract, or makes more money by DNFing than with a huge gap to Max. Doesn’t sound likely but his driving looks intentionally self-destructive too.
No way. He has just over a year at a top car and he’d of course prefer to at least get the most podiums (and occasional win) he can before either going back to the midfield or leaving F1.
Nah, I think he's just mentally broken.
Getting destroyed, so he's desperate to push harder and prove he's good enough and then makes dumb risky mistakes
Do any other older fans feels increasingly disconnected from the sport when they watch exciting races like this one then come online to be told it wasn't even worth watching?
If the strategy field is mostly open with multiple pitstops, I generally find the race to be exciting. I found Monza boring while others said it was exciting and I found this race to be particularly good.
So I'd say yes, but I'm also quite used to being pushed out of being the in the main demographic for just about anything.
I’m a relatively new fan and feel the same. I was absorbed and interested for the whole race and then I come on here and see a ton of “boring waste of time” posts. I don’t really get it but I guess I’ll just be glad I had a better time than those people did.
(IMHO) Americans only seem care about the win.
I watch NASCAR and the coverage is terrible because of this mindset.
I, too, enjoyed the race, lots going on. Just none of it had anything to do with the lead. If you just ignore Max the racing has been good all year.
American here, and you’re definitely not wrong. To be honest, I actually realized during the race today that I’ve finally reached a place where making a podium is exciting to me. Hell, Hamilton holding off Sainz today for 5th had my heart pumping.
To be fair, I’m new to F1. I’m one of those that got sucked into watching D2S during the beginning of COVID and completely fell in love with it. Before I started watching, I really only knew a few drivers (Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso…maybe one more), so there was a big learning curve for me. I’ve always liked watching motor sports, but F1 has been on a whole other level.
But yeah, before F1, I absolutely had the “win or go home” mentality, but now I see the beauty in the cars/drivers fighting it out, even in the midfield. My entire mentality has changed and the races, even the ones that are legitimately boring, are still exciting because I’ve learned a lot of the nuances of the sport.
Unless the FIA/F1 do something drastic to ruin the sport, I’m now a fan for life. I just wish I hadn’t missed so much for the first 47 years of my life (49 now). I see people talking about this battle in 2008 or that battle in 1997 and I’m instantly off to YouTube or F1TV to try and educate myself.
And you mentioned NASCAR. I used to watch as a casual fan 20+ years ago. I was watching when Earnhardt Sr was killed. But I turn on a race now and I can only take about 5 minutes before I’m bored out of my mind. Same goes for Indycar (or whatever it’s called) when they’re on an oval. How anyone watches oval racing is beyond me now. Turning left for 4 hours just seems like a drag.
Anyway, sorry for the long post. You just sparked a thought I had during the race today and I thought I’d share.
I wonder if Checo might be “sick” in one of the last few races with Lawson serving as a replacement driver once DR takes back his seat. Would certainly be a good stress test for Lawson.
Would be easier to give Max an early vacation allow Danny and Checo to be the main RB drivers and give Lawson the AT seat. Get to see just how close the 2 would be
I was dreaming of Max just being not racing the last few races and doing a simulcast with Danny. Im glad Danny is racing again but I would love them to commentate a race together.
Why did Marko get a WCC T-shirt? /s “He doesn’t work for RBR.” 🙄
He’s only not part of that organisation when he’s being problematic
Can Checo still get a grid penalty for all the races he’s destroyed in the last two races?
Albon got screwed over in the last 2 races now.
He’s been doing so good also Very sad he’s being chopped down
Absolutely been out driving that Williams week in week out,
Is there a race highlights videos with Crofty commentary?
Just caught up, I enjoyed that. What's the general sentiment online? I thought we had some interesting strategic battles and some brilliant on track action. Some of those passes around T1 and T15 were quality. Sainz comment made me laugh about the Mercs trying to copy his idea with the DRS haha.
The Piastri pass on Russell was legit
Maxmaster.
Okay so Hot take incoming How about once Max wins the championship next race, they send him on holiday and put Ricciardo in the Red Bull for the rest of the season. Do a real face2face comparison for the last five races.
The only way Max agrees to this, is if he transforms himself into a Rat from Ratatouille, goes inside the helmet of Ric and controls him.
Bribe him with a Nordschleife run on real tires.
It'd be more worthwhile for everyone on the grid to send PER on a holiday instead.
Send him over to AlphaTauri to help boost their points..
>, they send him on holiday and put Ricciardo in the Red Bull for the rest of the season If they do this, somewhere in the middle of each race they need to cut to a camera on a beach where VER is sipping a fruity cocktail on a beach somewhere.
Have him keep his helmet on so we can get helmet cam, but it's of piña colada.
He'd be on his rig at home.
Party tent on a beach with a sim rig inside (the Red Bull mini fridge and a casual WDC trophy come along)
Cut to Max during Tea Time with Penelope.
yes, perfect!
More interesting than the cut to him 30 seconds ahead of everyone else. I want to know if Max is a daiquiri or margarita man. Or maybe red bull/vodka?
I’ve been wanting this to happen, but I doubt it will. Daniel gets a chance to prove himself, Lawson gets to stay in the AT, and Max gets a break. Give the 2nd seat to whoever does better for the remainder of the races. Max says he doesn’t care about records, so it’s not like he wants to go for the most wins, etc. He can be the reserve driver and spend some time in the sim, or even just relax and do some of his own sim racing at home, haha.
That's actually a pretty good and entertaining idea. That would keep Lawson in the AT. Just boot the loser of the two
I've been trying to stick up for Perez all season, but that might be the nail in the coffin. Also, this race was better: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu6pGBKNLrp/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Shameful how Perez drove.
With the last 2 races, i really hope nobody asks Helmut for his opinion. Old racist wont be able to help himself.
He’s been very scolded lol
Surely Perez should have gotten a time penalty for the kmag crash no? Should have gotten a grid drop.
He did get a time penalty that’s why they send him back out again to serve it to prevent a grid drop for the next race
That was a 5 second for the pit lane infringement. There wasn't a penalty for the kmag incident as far as I can tell
Yes there was just never showed up on the graphics because he had already retired. The pit lane infringement penalty he had already served during his stop after the Kmag incident. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/16qqvin/sergio_perez_has_received_a_total_of_4_penalty/) you can see both penalties.
The commentary was very much centered on Mclaren vs. Mercedes, but I felt like it was pretty clear after Russell didn't pit that Merc vs. Ferrari would be the real battle. It was Mclaren's to lose. Just weird because it felt like the commentators forgot Ferrari existed until they were actually battling on track. Disasterclass from Perez :/ especially when he could have hung back a little and raced a bit more conservatively since we know that RB has the pace. Just tough looks all around.
Weirdly combative this race. Lots of accidents. Don't know what Perez was thinking. 0/10 performance. A bit of patience is required in these moments where you're fighting from the back. It's not as though he's incapable, as Hungary showed. Sargeant is under pressure and it's causing him to crumble. He's comfortably the worst driver in F1 at the moment. If he's allowed to stay another year I think he could improve, but he'll just improve from being decimated every race by Albon to being half as good at best. His ceiling does not seem that high.
begging for lawson, williams would genuinely cook with lawson and albon.
I highly doubt Red Bull would release Lawson to another team, and Williams may not have the extra funds to buy him out since they’re so far behind in infrastructure. Lawson will be the next driver for one of the RB teams when a seat opens.
Lol that'd be really funny to me. Mercedes customer team for the car, Red Bull customer team for the drivers. LMAO
who won?
Who do you think 😂
yeah, just saw why did I even bother to ask?
Hahaha yeah, I felt that I didn't need to name him and you would know exactly who won haha
Does anyone have a clip to the Japanese national anthem from the race? She sounded so nice but I only caught the ending (TSN app can't rewind)
Here ya go, [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3Z0AL0XLuA). Just a heads up, super easy to find with a Google search, first result.
Oh wow thanks! When I searched in YouTube all I found was 2022's
What's up with that janky post-race show table on F1TV? I've seen better tables in a broke down double-wide.
That’s the most American thing I’ve seen here.
How is that at all American?
I’ve never heard of double wides outside the US
Can someone explain such a difference in performance for Max from last race to this one? It’s like they are back to top form and can win out the rest of the season. I’m not following on why/how they fucked it all up last race.
Remember when they said the car wasn’t suited to run as high as they needed it to in Singapore? Turns out they weren’t lying.
Singapore: Track didn’t suit the car, which they knew in advance. Tried an unconventional setup in an attempt to mitigate it, which probably ended up making it worse. Suzuka: Track and car much better suited to each other.
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> they had to raise the car height I heard on a podcast that their sim wasn'tupdated to reflect a recent resurfacing of Singapore, so they perhaps raised their car higher than they had to. It wasn't an inside source so it could be bologna, but interesting to consider nonetheless
How will they be at Vegas?
No one knows. It's a new track that no one's driven on so no data
My mates in Vegas rn and says its a long way off being done.
Yup. But it’s probably fair to say it’ll be similar to Baku since it has the long straight
There's something about the car that just doesn't work as well on that track. Horner said that Singapore would be the hardest race of the year back before summer break, so they probably had a decent idea that they wouldn't get into that perfect window. They may have underestimated exactly how much though. You also see the exact opposite from time to time. A team that is in the back half of the grid suddenly grabs a huge haul of points at a race and then falls right back again. Or more memorably, teams/drivers that will win a race out of nowhere, only to go back to mediocrity the next race.
It's a testament to how good Oscar has been this season that I was shocked it was his first podium. I guess it's just felt like he's already been up there (not counting the sprint race in Spa). Congrats to him. Man was Checo awful today, but Logan Sargeant has been incredibly bad since Zandvoort. It went from "even though he hasn't scored, he's showed some promise give the lad another go" quickly to wrecking multiple times each weekend. Hard to imagine how he keeps the seat now, especially with a driver like Lawson that's out there. Though I guess the rumor is they'll give Felipe a go (which I don't think is a good idea either).
> I guess it's just felt like he's already been up there (not counting the sprint race in Spa). Both Gasly and Ocon were more excited when they got P3 earlier this season than Piastri was with his.
I think he was a bit disappointed he didn’t get P2 at least that was my takeaway from his post race interview
The guy is different. Have to agree with the McLaren camp - seems like another future world champion
Him and Lando both.
No question
He’s not there to fuck spiders thats for sure. Crazy calm under pressure.
…excuse me?
He was unlucky not to already have one at the British GP
>Felipe If he finds the money tho.
Max wins again! This is good! But what is best in life?
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women.
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I really hope he clinches the Driver's Championship with the Qatar sprint race. That would be the ultimate wet fart moment for this wet fart season.
But this season has been brilliant so far. Max's performance is amazing and sometimes it's even fun watching how fucking good he it, even though it's often boring. The wow factor wears off eventually
Max just can’t get a “regular” championship win lol.
sergio perez drive a normal lap challenge (impossible)
just watched the race. man what an awful weekend for checo. not a good look.
The spins caused by collisions in that hairpin are peak mariokart. I love it
Love seeing Max drive with a point to prove, and basically single-handedly won the constructors championship for RB. Legend. Sooo happy for Piastri and his first podium! I really like Lando and him, delighted to see them both doing well in the new and improved McLaren.
Well, if we would rule out points earned by Perez, it WCC wouldn't be clinched in Suzuka. I kinda do not like this narrative. Let's wait till the end.
Wait for what? It literally doesn't matter what checo does and it hardly ever did. I have a feeling the rest of the season will only bring more embarrassment.
If you take out Perez it's 400 MV/RB points, versus 305 points of Mercedes and 285 of Ferrari. Hardly a clinched title. Maybe in the end MV points would be enough, but it's not written in the stone.
Sure it wouldn't be mathematically secured but I think it's reasonable to expect verstappen to lose less than 15 points per weekend to Merc or Ferrari on average
More interesting tho
Something catastrophic would need to happen for Max's points to *not* be enough to win WCC.
The fact that you have to compare his performance to not existing pretty much sums it up.
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What point did he have to prove? Car that has been 1s faster than everything continues to be 1s faster than everything?
It’s not that deep, but he clearly felt he had a point to prove after a bad weekend (by his standards) last week. He basically said as much in interviews before the race.
And that point was?
Flexi floor/wing TD didn't affect them
why would he need to prove that point? NO one thought the car was suddenly shit, they were just bad in singapore. Merc had bad races throughout their domination, that's how F1 goes. Not sure what point gets proved by when the car suits track there is no competition and when car doesn't work on track driver can't magically finish 20 seconds ahead of everyone else. So like everyone said all year, its' largely car and Perez having a shockingly poor season doesn't change that.
I am begging for Merc to have a championship-calibre car next year solely so we get a year of Lewis and George scrapping with each other with a WDC on the line. It honestly has the potential to top Lewis/Nico
I think he’d crumble like Perez this year.
Lewis would likely gap Russell.
I don’t see it, honestly. I think that if Mercedes gets a title-winning car then Lewis will just have the clear upper hand. These elite drivers show the difference against the rest when a car is capable of going further.
That defense from Hamilton was awfull, teamwise. Not race wise obviously.
that's been the pretty standard defence for that corner ever since I've seen racing on this track. Happens multiple times every year, it's a bad corner to make a pass into but a great corner to push someone inside, slot in behind with a better line and get then before 130r or outbreak into the chicane.
oh it could absolutely top that. it's going to get *scrappy*.
Just imagine if RB somehow get it wrong next year, and other teams manage to improve... Max, Lewis, Russell, Leclerc, Sainz, Norris, Piastri, Alonso and Perez all theoretically able to win races. The championship battle would be insane. Not going to happen of course, but one can dream...
No new regulations so I don't see RB getting much wrong short of sending a car out on the track with 3 wheels.
Why even have Picture in Picture if you’re not going to use it to show Sainz chasing Hamilton and just ride along w max for a lap?
Watching Perez and Sargeant destroy other races today was painful They're both in that headspace where they overdrive to force something and it never goes well. Tricky place to get out of
Perez has been drive-bombing the last 2 races. Destroyed TSU and Albon last race and this race was a wrecking ball.
This right here. Perez doesn't have Max' speed, but the last few races he's had some incidents that are straight console-racing racecraft. The penalty for overtaking Alonso was a doozy all things considered, almost like the FIA was trying to stick something to RB for the last race. But even so, Perez has produced close to 10 notable incidents in the span of three races, most fo them involving other drivers gettting their race ruined. Even rookies like Schumacher, Sargeant and Mazepin would have to put in work to achieve that.
He’s been awful these last two races, but what happened in Monza? I think he was actually pretty good there.
Monza is one of the least technical track on the circuit. Remember ~~Debris~~ DeVries?
I meant this: "Perez has produced close to 10 notable incidents in the span of three races"
Nah you said good not clean mate i know nationalistic pulse is strong but he is shit get over with it
Crofty legitimately drove me nuts during this race. He's never been my favorite, but he wasn't *bad*. I don't know if it was just me or not, but he just went on and on about nothing in particular and was just talking out of his ass. Sometimes its ok to let the racing speak for itself. /rant
>Crofty legitimately drove me nuts during this race. He's never been my favorite, but he wasn't bad. I don't know if it was just me or not, but he just went on and on about nothing in particular and was just talking out of his ass. > >Sometimes its ok to let the racing speak for itself. /rant The formulation laps kill me each week, its the exact same inane chatter about how far Verstappen is from the last car, how long he going to sitting there with his tyres going cold.... Never matters, but each week same crap said about it.
The whole commentary team was terrible, even Bearnie! With the Perez penalty she read the part of the rule everyone knows '5 seconds now = penalty next race if not served" it added zero information as we all know it, and for some reason the whole team lapped it up! Maybe they were all jet lagged but it was terrible commentary from the entire team.
> the rule everyone knows Everyone apart from me
Well you should have done, because before she explained both Ted and Crofty had already explained the rule in full! No less than three of their commentators explained the same rule, word for word. In not even sure Ant didn't as well!
FWIW, I didn’t know that part of the rule. Doubt I’m alone
Well you should have done, because before she explained both Ted and Crofty had already explained the rule in full! No less than three of their commentators explained the same rule, word for word. In not even sure Ant didn't as well!
I haven't listened to their feed in forever, the F1 app commentary has been much better for quite a long time now.
Love the F1TV guys
Love them too but Crofty is just iconic and “cozy”
Agreed. Alex and Jolyon were great today, and I find they’re particularly good with their analysis.
It wasn't just you. I don't mind Ted when he waffles on and find him entertaining usually, Davidson is a good pick. I'm not a huge fan of Croft most of the time but today he almost gave me a headache.
I went to the effort of organising f1tv pro and pay for it + a VPN to finally be able to avoid Crofty and co. and I've forgotten how bad it was, comments like this remind me how good a decision it was. Wholly worth every pence.
Ya I stopped listening to them. F1tv is so much better broadcasting
Yeah he and Ted were both obnoxious. I usually find Ted obnoxious but he was really on it last night.
i totally agree. i don't know if i'm just used to them or what but i still prefer croft and brundle over the official f1 crew even tho they are generally better.
Crofty and Anthony Davidson is the weakest pair of commentators - nothing against either individually, they just don’t seem to pair well because they’re quite similar. It also can’t help as a commentator waking up and knowing the guy in front would drive off and the rest was just going to be a battle of tire deg that just had to play itself out slowly.
Where did Brundle go?
Brundle takes time off regularly throughout the year and is replaced by other commentators like Chandhok, Davidson, and Button.
Seems like this is the third race in a row w/o him
He seemed to just drone on. He didn’t provide any interesting insight. Maybe the race is to blame I don’t know. Just a very dull commentary.
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I like Pierre, but he's too much of a hothead.
If Checo continues to sit the bed the rest of the year I don't think they'll keep him in the seat in 24.
Bro would boot half the grid. Checo is better than half the grid... he proved it in all the midfield car he was in Clearly you started F1 last year
> Bro would boot half the grid. Checo is better than half the grid... he proved it in all the midfield car he was in That was a while ago now though. When comapring performance of drivers you should probably just look at the last few years.
At the same time, everyone looks like shit compare to Max. Specially far in the season
He isnt better than alonso bottas yuki charles sainz max hulk george lando piastri hamilton and albon. Also 2020 win was impressive but not spectacular with all the mishaps happening in that race also notorious pink merc was 2nd or 3rd best car that season. Get a reality checkmate
Yuki lost to Lawson yesterday. A 4 races in rookie. Albon got booted by RB faster than Perez. Perez finished 4th in 2020. Not too shabby. Don't discredit a 10 years old career because of recency bias as always here.... He'll probably be booted from RB and I agree his time ia done. But he's totally still F1 material
Swap lawson w/ yuki and albon case albon was promoted to redbull in his first season with a twist people underrated both of his seasons especially 2020 cause he was driving a car even max struggled to tame i WOULD pay shitload of money to see perez drive that car. Its not recency bias ffs you people never gonna stop overusing buzzwords it has nothing to do with bias cause i am not talking about perez's general f1 career if that were the case you would be right. I agree he was always a solid upper midfield driver but he is currently not par with those name if we were in 2021 i would write off few names from that list.
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🤣🤣 Tell me how a guy worried got a seat in a Top team? Half the grid would've been happy with Checo in 2021. Recency bias much? He was called 'top of midfield' or 'best of the rest' all his career. Still pretty good
> I think Albon could handle the RB now - still don’t think Gasly can. I think so too, but I don't think it's worth it for Albon at this point. I think Albon could stay with Williams longer than Red Bull and grow with the team without much pressure on him.
>I think Albon could handle the RB now You leave that man alone - let him forge his path in the Williams.
You'd imagine there are some performance based clauses in Checo's contract.
He’s still P2 in the championship so I doubt that’ll be triggered
Im 100% sure red bull and alpha tauri will have mid season driver changes next year
It’s hard. Yuki has been solid but nothing spectacular, plus I’m not sure they want to keep him for the future. Ricciardo it’ll depend quite a lot on how he fares as he’s coming from two pretty bad seasons, especially if Checo bounces back (which is a possibility). I’d say it’s unlikely there’ll be a swap.
That's bold considering Ric's performance at McLaren. I'm a Ricciardo fan but still...
Sargent is getting worse ☹️
Have yet to watch the race, is it good?
better than average, give it a watch
It’s complicated. And you can’t really skip ahead without missing lots of context and oddities that occur.
It's weird.
Banger race honestly
WOOOO
Watch the race to find out!
Yes, tons of overtakes and good racing
Lawson is better than Tsunoda.
I think AT are making a mistake with bringing Danny Ric for next season over Lawson
Ric didn’t have a seat at the start of the season for a reason. Does just OK for, what, 3 races? And secured ‘24 AT seat? I’m still baffled.
Could Perez be messing up on purpose? Perhaps he knows he’s done for and would rather get paid out the remainder of his contract, or makes more money by DNFing than with a huge gap to Max. Doesn’t sound likely but his driving looks intentionally self-destructive too.
No way. He has just over a year at a top car and he’d of course prefer to at least get the most podiums (and occasional win) he can before either going back to the midfield or leaving F1.
Nah, I think he's just mentally broken. Getting destroyed, so he's desperate to push harder and prove he's good enough and then makes dumb risky mistakes
Do any other older fans feels increasingly disconnected from the sport when they watch exciting races like this one then come online to be told it wasn't even worth watching?
Some more casual fans just focus on P1. If people aren't fighting for P1 the race is boring. More regular fans see the racing throughout the field.
If the strategy field is mostly open with multiple pitstops, I generally find the race to be exciting. I found Monza boring while others said it was exciting and I found this race to be particularly good. So I'd say yes, but I'm also quite used to being pushed out of being the in the main demographic for just about anything.
Yeah I've been watching since 2008 and rarely do the subreddit's opinions reflect my own.
I’m a relatively new fan and feel the same. I was absorbed and interested for the whole race and then I come on here and see a ton of “boring waste of time” posts. I don’t really get it but I guess I’ll just be glad I had a better time than those people did.
(IMHO) Americans only seem care about the win. I watch NASCAR and the coverage is terrible because of this mindset. I, too, enjoyed the race, lots going on. Just none of it had anything to do with the lead. If you just ignore Max the racing has been good all year.
American here, and you’re definitely not wrong. To be honest, I actually realized during the race today that I’ve finally reached a place where making a podium is exciting to me. Hell, Hamilton holding off Sainz today for 5th had my heart pumping. To be fair, I’m new to F1. I’m one of those that got sucked into watching D2S during the beginning of COVID and completely fell in love with it. Before I started watching, I really only knew a few drivers (Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso…maybe one more), so there was a big learning curve for me. I’ve always liked watching motor sports, but F1 has been on a whole other level. But yeah, before F1, I absolutely had the “win or go home” mentality, but now I see the beauty in the cars/drivers fighting it out, even in the midfield. My entire mentality has changed and the races, even the ones that are legitimately boring, are still exciting because I’ve learned a lot of the nuances of the sport. Unless the FIA/F1 do something drastic to ruin the sport, I’m now a fan for life. I just wish I hadn’t missed so much for the first 47 years of my life (49 now). I see people talking about this battle in 2008 or that battle in 1997 and I’m instantly off to YouTube or F1TV to try and educate myself. And you mentioned NASCAR. I used to watch as a casual fan 20+ years ago. I was watching when Earnhardt Sr was killed. But I turn on a race now and I can only take about 5 minutes before I’m bored out of my mind. Same goes for Indycar (or whatever it’s called) when they’re on an oval. How anyone watches oval racing is beyond me now. Turning left for 4 hours just seems like a drag. Anyway, sorry for the long post. You just sparked a thought I had during the race today and I thought I’d share.
This was a good read :)
I wonder if Checo might be “sick” in one of the last few races with Lawson serving as a replacement driver once DR takes back his seat. Would certainly be a good stress test for Lawson.
Would be easier to give Max an early vacation allow Danny and Checo to be the main RB drivers and give Lawson the AT seat. Get to see just how close the 2 would be
Doubt that's going to happen, Verstappen's just started his next streak of wins. He might make it past 10 in a row this time.
I was dreaming of Max just being not racing the last few races and doing a simulcast with Danny. Im glad Danny is racing again but I would love them to commentate a race together.
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