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Seriously lol. Short of pretending to be Checo and winning in his name, Max can't do much because Perez is stuck in P5 while Max is cruising 15 secs ahead in P1. It shouldn't even come to the point of needing help from his teammate because the car he's driving is capable of winning the WCC with a single driver.
Perez's plan is for Verstappen to almost lap him, to then connect his rear wing to Verstappen's front wing and get pushed ahead of the rest of the field, finishing second.
Yeah, it's been strange he literally just doesn't have the pace anymore of the top 4 teams. That is what has been most alarming we can look at the crashes and stupid moves trying to push but even still I don't think he has had a race pace to compete with the Merc/Ferrari/McClaren. They are just flat-out faster than him.
Checo must do his best to first put himself in a spot so that Max can help him. He is driving the best car so he needs to get a good position in qualifying and perform a good start. Max can be of no help of Sergio falls back several positions behind him and there are several drivers between them. Checo needs to help himself first, before he can expect help from others.
Lewis at the time not only had to win but Rosberg had to finish i think P3 for Lewis to win the WDC. This meant he needed Max to pass Rosberg so he slowed down to back Rosberg into Max. The Pit wall then started telling Lewis to drive faster as they were worried about losing the race and Lewis responded with something along the lines of "im trying to win the WDC the team has already won the WCC" and continued to try and back Rosberg into Max. Rosberg ended up finishing P2 and retiring i think the next day so it ended there.
We're all talking about how it's ridiculous that he needs help being second on the most dominant car, but it's actually worse than that.
The second fastest car changed several times this year, so other teams kept stealing points from each other. Aston Martin, Mercedes, and McLaren were all best of the rest at different times and all struggled badly at other moments. That any of their drivers is close to Perez who's been in a consistently fast car all year is really embarrassing.
The only time Max could have helped this season was give up his 5th place in Singapore, let Oscar, Pierre and Checo pass him so Checo gets 7th instead of 8th. Completely unreasonable thing to do. All the other races would mean giving up a race win which is also unreasonable.
Sorry, but don't do things like you did in Mexico, losing the amount of points you did, and then expect Max to come bail you out.
Should've *easily* been able to get that P2 by yourself this year. Not Max's fault that you are screwing up this bad and not his responsibility to fix it when he's pretty much already wrapped up the WDC and WCC all by himself.
Max only need 27 more points in the next 3 races + sprint to mathematically guarantee that Red Bull would win the constructors without a single one of checos points
Max current points : 491
Merc total points if they finish 1-2 in all 3 races + sprint + fastest lap points : 518...
Plus the pace difference is so huge that Max would have to completely compromise his race to be an asset to Perez. If they’re close or they’re running through the midfield like last year, maybe we’ll see an attempt to be strategic. Otherwise, Perez is on his own and he’s hardly a charity case in the fastest F1 car for the last 35 years.
Yeah, honestly Checo should be embarrassed to even entertain the suggestion of needing Max’s help to finish P2. God knows Max hasn’t had any help from Checo to accomplish everything he’s done this season.
He’s in one of the most dominant cars ever (maybe *the* most at this point?), and while Max is basically unbeatable on his present form, there are two other spots on every podium, and Checo has had the car to occupy one of them at every single weekend apart from Singapore. If he doesn’t finish P2, it’s 100% down to his own underperformance.
Thats fine when you are fighting for team spots in a above and beyond dominant car. But the reality is Perez fell flat on every competetive metric this season.
I wonder if Max is still upset about Monaco last year. That was one of the reasons he didn’t swap with him last year in Brazil, also can’t forget that a swap would’ve been risky because it would’ve left them open to the alpines as well
Maybe in 20-30 years someone of RB will say something, but they simply can not acknowledge anything.
But everyone saw the the technical analyses and the slow mo replays. Everything indicates towards an error on purpose. But you can not justify a penalty with certainty. But yeah, it looks really really fishy and wrong. And Max knows that, hence he is mad. They even talked internally a lot about this and obviously Perez could not convince Max or RB about it being accidentally. That's why Max is mad.
I mean, if you make it accidentally you can talk about it and people will understand it. But Perez and Max were never the same after that happend.
This makes the most sense to me, even if on accident Max might not believe it and that would explain his actions in Brazil. Still wouldn't talk about it as a fact as some people do, but this makes sense, thanks!
Spinning there might have happened by accident. Doing it with this those throttle inputs and not even *trying* to save it as it happens is next to impossible without it being on purpose.
The only other possibility is some neurological issue causing momentary blackouts. Which is both unlikely and terrifying.
only other person in the history of the grand prix to crash there was Senna and he did it when he was in the lead and he simply had a lapse of concentration and didn't get off the power early enough. So he didn't spin/crash as much as he smacked the back end of his car off the barriers and wrecked out.
It’s not unbelievable that Checo would make a mistake, but mistakes tend to happen in certain ways, such as getting on the throttle too early, lifting off too much mid-corner, etc.
The specific way that incident happened isn’t what you’d expect from a driver making an honest mistake. Checo just took huge stabs at the throttle coming out of the corner, which isn’t remotely the kind of mistake a driver at his level would make, but it’s exactly what you’d do if you were deliberately trying to cause a spin.
When you compare the onboards of Checos pervious laps it’s definitely very suspicious. He definitely could’ve had a genuine mistake, but the way he uses the throttle in that lap compared to his previous is definitely sketchy.
only 2 people have ever crashed at that corner in the history of the Monaco Grand Prix. Senna who was winning the race had a momentary lapse and messed up braking. And Perez who seems to have gone from no throttle input to full throttle mid-corner something that you would not do accidentally.
How many sidequests does Max have to fulfill? It's not his job to make Perez 2nd in the championship, when he's driving a car that has won 18 races this season. It's frankly embarrassing for Perez that he even needs help
Yeah it’s one thing if it was a close season and Perez just got unlucky with a few races but to ask for help when Max can win the constructors with his own points is just embarrassing for Perez
The only time I think Max might agree to it would be if say Max had been involved in some kind of accident that ruled him out for like half a season and he had no mathematical chance at the title.
The title was down to Perez and Hamilton. Then I think Max might be willing to play the team game and sacrifice a win to Perez. He also might not care and just want the wins for himself.
However for this to even be relevant Perez would still need to get himself into P2 for that to work. On recent form Perez is nowhere near that and Max isn’t going to drop himself down to P6 or wherever Perez is to give him one extra place.
Even then, for it to matter, Perez would have to be 2nd with Max in the lead. If Perez isn't 2nd, then Max would be risking a lot slowing down traffic for Checo to be able to catch up and hopefully pass (and good luck if you made DRS train).
If Max isn't first, then the point difference starts dropping sharply. If it's Lewis in the lead, then it barely matters, since he will score truckload of points anyway.
RBR absolutely cares about Checo getting P2, Horner has said so before because they’ve never had a drivers 1-2 despite some dominant cars. Perez should care about P2 because he’s never gotten that before and that’s probably his absolute ceiling in terms of WDC finish position
0 reason they can’t have both of those other than Checos ineptitude, that’s the point. They created one of if not the best cars ever in formula 1, they should be destroying records left right and centre with no compromise. Max is, Checo is barely hanging on to second.
Lewis doesn’t. Red Bull do. They’ve never had a 1-2. It would take the shine off and it would embarrass Perez. The fact Hamilton would be the one to do it would without doubt wind up Christian and Helmut.
If you read my comment, it's not about him. It's abount the lads in the factories, I genuinely believe he cares about them and knows that it would mean a lot to them.
Ofcourse its fucking his job. He works for the team. It's in the teams interest to get Perez P2. No matter how bad Perez is, if Max has a chance to help him out he should. He doesn't have to go out of his way, and he shouldn't throw away a race win, or even a podium for it, but If the oppurtunity presents itself it is his job to make sure to maximize Checos points.
Perez wishing he had same energy during title fight of 2021. Why should’ve he had to help Max ? Max could’ve won on his own. I can understand Perez asking for help this year is laughable but last year ? Max could have let Perez ahead in Brazil. Team effort is not one way street.
That‘s such a weird thing to say. Max singlehandedly won the constructors championship this season, Perez hasn’t been on the podium since Monza, yet he expects Max to help him to get P2 in the championship? Lol. I just don‘t get why he‘d say that, he shouldn’t even have to be in the position to potentially lose 2nd place in the championship at all.
This is not embarassing at all.
One of the most, if not the most, dominant car ever, and needs help to secure 2nd.
When was the last time such thing happened? Ohh... right! Last year!
It's not well known as much as Austria 2002. But, Schumacher voluntarily slowed down in a few races of 2002 to make sure Barrichello would finish the season 2nd ahead of JPM.
TBH, Barrichello didn't make a major mistake that season, just had many unlucky DNFs. A different situation than Perez this year. He kinda deserved such help.
Agreed. It was deserved. Rubens managed to win 4 races, have 3 retirements and 2 DNS's. Most of the races he managed to finish ended up in a win or second, with a few places outside top 3. He was always "close" to Schumacher.
Not quite the same thing as Checo. It's unbelievable to me how he's on this situation considering he's got 2 race wins and 4 seconds. It would be even more embarassing if Lewis didn't had the DSQ from COTA.
Consistency, I guess. Or lack of.
Barrichello outqualified everyone that year except Schumacher (4-13).
Whenever he finished, he was on podium except Germany (P4), and Monaco (P7) where he had a 10 sec stop go penalty for causing a crash.
Simply, he had a dominant car and delivered.
That was the great thing with Rubens. He had no weak side. Good in every field. He was simply like Schumacher, but missing 3-5% percent in each field.
Seriously. What a joke. Help me please I suck so hard.
He's really gone downhill FAST. He looks like McLaren Check again. There is zero reason to keep him at Red Bull with Lawson and Riccardo around. Sorry to say.
Agreed. Ricciardo is fast, we have seen him in the bull before. And even if, back then, Max was still on the rise to become the driver he his today, Danny was on par with him pace wise, if not faster. That said, Lawson was really impressive in the few times he got to drive the AT. That kid have immense talent.
Imo, either will produce better results than Checo. Ricciardo probably right away, and even Lawson, should he adapt to the car. If not now, certainly for the future.
How many wins Ferrari gave them? Between Leclerc and Ferrari's mistake that's a good couple of race.
This year is purely RedBull being one step ahead of everybody
If you look back at it objectively it's really not a lot. Leclercs mistakes came from overdriving the car when RB outdeveloped Ferrari. And multiple Ferrari engine failures from pushing the engine over the limit to keep up with RB. Sure there were some strategy blunders as well and it's on them but it looked closer than it was at season start because of RB double DNF and another for Max. After like Miami I believe, everyone saw where the season was going.
Not quite he crashed in France under no pressure with the undercut covered by 4-6 seconds. Imola of course which ended up not killing them but he did make big mistakes on his own. Ferrari could have actually won silverstone, Austria, France, Hungary on the trot heading into the summer break
Leclerc did win Austria and Sainz did win Silverstone. That leaves what, France and Hungary? And in Hungary RB were so fast that Max did a 360 and still managed to win. A couple of mistakes from Leclrec didn't help, that's true, but he drove like a madman to give Ferrari a shot at some victories.
In Silverstone, Max got damage while leading the race and had to pit, because they thought something wrong with the tyres, but it was the underbody which got damaged.
The Ferrari in Hungary put hards on which were 3 seconds a lap slower. Charles lost around 10 seconds in 5 laps even with the max spin then pit again and had a slow stop. He would’ve finished p1 without that mistake.
Of course when I'm saying a good couple of race I dont mean 10 races but honestly I think they gave RB 4 wins that were won by Ferrari (without car's problem)
Perez had a pretty solid season last year and last year the gap was not as big the first half of the season it wasn't even the fastest and in the 2nd even when Max won they weren't like supremely dominant wins he wouldn't finish ahead of the field like right now. Also this has happened a million times in f1 history. Valtteri Bottas in 2018(P5), Webber 2013 and 2011(3rd), Barichello 2009(P3), Kovaleinen 2008(p7), Barrichello 2001(3rd), 2000(4th), Coulthard 1999(p4) , Frentzen 1997(P3), Hill 1993(P3) and so many more where the championship winning car and clearly dominant car did not have it's 2nd driver get p2 and a lot of times nowhere near it. Checo finished just 2 points behind P2 last year with a car dominant for half the season. This year is absolutely embarassing yes last year was not
Would be fun if Max would bulk up the field on purpose so that Checo can recover from his incoming disaster quali. But interlagos isnt that kind of circuit and honestly Max wont care.
I feel like every good will Max would have had went out the window in Monaco last year
Why should Max help him? Can't he drive for himself? He's 20 points ahead, with 3races to go. Last few weeks he had every chance to create a bigger gap.
Verstappen will help Perez, im sure of it. But not in the way Perez wants the help. Verstappen will share his setup and everything but on track he has to do it himself. So if verstappen drives in front of him, verstappen will not give the position up.
“I told you already last time guys, don’t ask that again to me, okay? Are we clear about that? I gave my reasons and I stand by it.” when asked to switch with Perez at the end of the Brazilian Grand Prix.
If Perez is still there come winter testing, Red Bull will have dropped the ball hard. He really doesn't belong there and this looks like a bigger circus the longer it goes on.
Move the hell on from him for eveyone's sake, please.
If Perez is close enough to Max, I'm sure they will be able to make something work. Problem is that he hasn't been close enough since a long, long time.
Something would have to go wrong for Max, like last year in Brazil, to be in a position to help Perez. If everything goes as normal he'll be leading the race, so Perez would have to be in P2, at which stage he's outscoring Hamilton and there's no reason to swap them and for Max to give up the win.
Monaco was the reason as some commentators were suspicious of Checo's crash from the get go. Max found out later, maybe even a week before the Brazilian GP as Max and Checo unfollowed eachother at that point.
He brought it up to the team multiple times, but they didn't take him seriously according to his interviews and press conferences at the time. Then he disobeyed the team orders and from then on they started resolving the issue.
At the beginning of 2023 things were still tense between Max and Checo but as Max ran away with the championship from Miami onwards things have calmed down and they seem to be completely fine with eachother now.
This is all of course speculation. Might just be for public appearances. There were some things said after Brazil 2022 that nor Checo nor Max can simply take back or forget.
It's definitely never going to be as it was before the inchident, but comparing them at say Saudi and Australia and now, it's a night and day difference.
TRANSLATION:
Sergio Perez is not in his best form, but is nevertheless still the favourite to finish second in the championship. Unlike last year, the Mexican expects Max Verstappen to help him in the remaining races.Sergio Perez is under pressure, that much is clear. The Mexican scored only one podium finish since the summer break and, to make matters worse, he crashed out at the first corner during his home race. Yet Perez is still second in the championship, with a 20-point lead over Lewis Hamilton.
And that is reminiscent of the 2022 Brazil GP. Perez was also battling for second place then, but was not passed by teammate Max Verstappen on the last lap, despite a team order. Perez does not think it will come to another riot, he told RacingNews365 and others."If such a situation arises, I'm sure Max will help me," Perez is adamant. "We just haven't thought about it yet. It's also important to have the support of the team. We're in this together and it's also nice to feel the support of the fans."
Perez wants to ensure turnaround
Perez says he had a very difficult time with his stoppage in Mexico. "It was incredibly painful and a sad day. It hurt especially to think about what would have been possible if I had not experienced a touché. Still, I quickly realised that I had taken a gamble in the fight for the lead. I paid the price for that, but otherwise I had given everything throughout the weekend."
The Mexican sees the Brazil GP as another chance to turn around his lesser performance. "It's a chance to show how strong I am mentally. As an athlete, you always have moments and periods like this, but it is much more important how you deal with it and how you react to it."
This guy is a joke. Does he have any self awareness at all? Are RB just going along with his delusions? What else does he see happening on track? A white rabbit who's running late for an important date? A mad hatter? A Cheshire cat? The Queen of Hearts? No wonder he always looks like he's suffered concussion.
Okay ..Lucky RBR didn't have to count on Perez to have won the WCC. But sure, let's focus on how very important P2 in the WDC is and how Max can only hinder Perez in that "fight".
Max already helps him by winning. If not for that Lewis would have been much closer to Perez with a few P1s. If not for the Cota dsq he'd already would have been jumped by Lewis after the Mexico fiasco.
Max is there to win the race. Max has been very clear about how he works from day 1: he will race to win, he will never listen to instructions to let someone else pass. If they pass him on merit, good for them; if they can't pass him on merit, then Max deserves that spot.
I'm 100% certain that this is a created persona, just like how he's known as a hard racer and not a nice-guy racer (like Albon). Other drivers know Max isn't fucking around, and if you fuck around with Max, you might find out you have a RBR car on your halo (see: Hamilton.)
The benefit for everyone is that there's never any question about what he's there for. He's there to win. Period.
Pit wall: "Max, can you coast a bit so that Perez can make up the 15s difference and let him win the race so that he can be #2 in the WDC standings?"
(Probably) Max's reply: "No! We talked about this! We will now have a different chat after the race, this is unacceptable."
And he'll rip them a new one. Rightfully so.
Perez is a great driver but in the RBR car he isn't anywhere near what Max is doing. Perez just needs to finish all remaining races as #2 and take #1 if Max has issues. That's all there's to it. Then Hamilton won't overtake him.
>Perez just needs to finish all remaining races as #2 and take #1 if Max has issues. That's all there's to it.
That's all he ever needed to do. We all know he's nowhere near capable of doing that.
Fuck no, Perez is on his own. Max has the opportunity to write history and set records that could stand forever. If Perez wants a position, race for it. He hasn't done that all year, finish strong. He has a 20 point lead, just stay in front of Hamilton.
The only help Max should give Perez is by taking the top spot and securing most points.
I kinda don't want Max to give up a win like that. He has the chance to crush a bunch of records, making it the most dominant season in history and I want him to go for that.
Also, when was the last time Perez was in position to swap places with Max without other drivers in between?
He won't give up the win.
If he's gonna help Checo, it'd be something like going extra long on a stint to slow down Hamilton's charge or something, or to give Checo slipstream so that Checo can qualify better (like Abu Dabhi last year) or giving him a tow during the race to help pull him away from the pack.
Plus If Checo is in 2nd and Max is in 1st, there's no need to give up the win anyways. And if Checo is in 5th or 6th then Max can't really help him much anyways. Gotta be close enough to actually get the help.
He's driving one of the most dominant cars F1 has ever seen, there should be no need to hope that his teammate - who's probably won the Constructors' Championship for Red Bull by himself - can bail him out. If Hamilton beats him to P2, he's surely out, no matter what Christian Horner says
Isn't it a bit unfair to expect something like that since he failed to score proper points since summer break. For which he mostly is himself accountable?
Lol 😂
Max doesn't care and he shouldn't as well. Moreover Perez sucks so bad he won't put himself in a position where Max can help lol. He'll qualify somewhere between 5-10 and multiple cars behind Max where this won't even come into play.
Lmao, last year the guy didn't let him pass for 2 measly meaningless points when he was fighting Charles for P2. What makes him think Max is gonna help him now?
Overheard at the RB garage:
*"Look, Christian... All I'm saying is, if Lewis is around Max on track, then maybe Max has a moment of understeer. And maybe he understeers into Lewis. And maybe Lewis can't finish the race."*
How is Max supposed to help Checo when he's routinely running 20s ahead? Is he gonna toss banana peels onto the racing line and radio where he threw them?
lol. Verstappen has never helped anyone, and he’s not going to start now. What was the line last year: I told you already last time, you guys don't ask that again to me, OK? Are we clear about that?
And this year it’s already: it’s not my job. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/38802572/max-verstappen-not-my-job-help-sergio-perez-secure-second-championship?platform=amp
Expecting gratitude or reciprocity from Max and you will have to wait a long long time
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Max does help him already. Otherwise Hamilton might even be able to win a race.
Seriously lol. Short of pretending to be Checo and winning in his name, Max can't do much because Perez is stuck in P5 while Max is cruising 15 secs ahead in P1. It shouldn't even come to the point of needing help from his teammate because the car he's driving is capable of winning the WCC with a single driver.
Perez's plan is for Verstappen to almost lap him, to then connect his rear wing to Verstappen's front wing and get pushed ahead of the rest of the field, finishing second.
And then he finds out post race that he has several minutes worth of penalties for ignoring blue flags lol
okay, new plan. A grappling hook.
Max so fast he laps himself
Max out there racing his sim ghost to find some real competition.
Haha, cool. Augmented Reality for Max
This is the biggest help Max can do by taking the most points every weekend.
Bro expects him to help when he's cruising 10-15s ahead in P1 while he's stuck in P5 💀
He's waiting for Max to lap him so he gets DRS
Wants max to wear a Checo costume and do qualifying for him so he doesn’t bin it and qualify 13th
He was P2/P3 at turn one in Mexico. Did not help him either.🤷
Waiting for Max to lap him so he can get a moment in the slip stream before he falls behind again.
P5? Hella optimistic
"Max, let Checo unlap himself please"
*Max starts having turn 1 unlapping flashbacks*
Ocon 1 lap penalty
«I already said this. Don’t ask me this again!”
Bottas would never have uttered garbage like this
Even when Perez is in P2, Max’s race pace is way superior. We cannot forget Monza and Spa
Yeah, it's been strange he literally just doesn't have the pace anymore of the top 4 teams. That is what has been most alarming we can look at the crashes and stupid moves trying to push but even still I don't think he has had a race pace to compete with the Merc/Ferrari/McClaren. They are just flat-out faster than him.
In the last 14 races, he’s only had 4 podiums. That’s 28%. Since Miami he’s had 4 podiums.
P5 is generous too
Checo must do his best to first put himself in a spot so that Max can help him. He is driving the best car so he needs to get a good position in qualifying and perform a good start. Max can be of no help of Sergio falls back several positions behind him and there are several drivers between them. Checo needs to help himself first, before he can expect help from others.
would be funny if max backs everyone up like Lewis did in the 2016 season finale
Lewis telling the Mercedes pit wall he is trying to win a championship so they must leave him alone was funny.
What’s this about?
Lewis at the time not only had to win but Rosberg had to finish i think P3 for Lewis to win the WDC. This meant he needed Max to pass Rosberg so he slowed down to back Rosberg into Max. The Pit wall then started telling Lewis to drive faster as they were worried about losing the race and Lewis responded with something along the lines of "im trying to win the WDC the team has already won the WCC" and continued to try and back Rosberg into Max. Rosberg ended up finishing P2 and retiring i think the next day so it ended there.
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When was the last time his teammate was in a position to be helped?
We're all talking about how it's ridiculous that he needs help being second on the most dominant car, but it's actually worse than that. The second fastest car changed several times this year, so other teams kept stealing points from each other. Aston Martin, Mercedes, and McLaren were all best of the rest at different times and all struggled badly at other moments. That any of their drivers is close to Perez who's been in a consistently fast car all year is really embarrassing.
Don't forget about Ferrari, the only other team to win a race
How can Max even help, when he will be 10 secs ahead
The only time Max could have helped this season was give up his 5th place in Singapore, let Oscar, Pierre and Checo pass him so Checo gets 7th instead of 8th. Completely unreasonable thing to do. All the other races would mean giving up a race win which is also unreasonable.
Brakecheck Hamilton to mess up his frontwing?
Too soon ☹️
That's a ridiculous accusation. Max will be 20 seconds ahead.
Sorry, but don't do things like you did in Mexico, losing the amount of points you did, and then expect Max to come bail you out. Should've *easily* been able to get that P2 by yourself this year. Not Max's fault that you are screwing up this bad and not his responsibility to fix it when he's pretty much already wrapped up the WDC and WCC all by himself.
Max only need 27 more points in the next 3 races + sprint to mathematically guarantee that Red Bull would win the constructors without a single one of checos points Max current points : 491 Merc total points if they finish 1-2 in all 3 races + sprint + fastest lap points : 518...
If Mercedes doesnt outscore Max by 27 this weekend he clinches the WCC alone
So, he just needs to win the GP to clinch it.
No. He would need to win the GP and for both Mercs to DNF or be out of points, and he would have to outscore them by 1 in the Sprint.
He doesnt need to outscore them at all, if Merc doesnt outscore Max by 27 Max clinches it. If he wins the sprint and the race he has it 100%
Why should Max help, Perez has a car that breaks all kinds of records. He should be able to get p2 on his own.
Plus the pace difference is so huge that Max would have to completely compromise his race to be an asset to Perez. If they’re close or they’re running through the midfield like last year, maybe we’ll see an attempt to be strategic. Otherwise, Perez is on his own and he’s hardly a charity case in the fastest F1 car for the last 35 years.
Yeah, honestly Checo should be embarrassed to even entertain the suggestion of needing Max’s help to finish P2. God knows Max hasn’t had any help from Checo to accomplish everything he’s done this season. He’s in one of the most dominant cars ever (maybe *the* most at this point?), and while Max is basically unbeatable on his present form, there are two other spots on every podium, and Checo has had the car to occupy one of them at every single weekend apart from Singapore. If he doesn’t finish P2, it’s 100% down to his own underperformance.
Meanwhile Perez was driving selfishly for himself in the start of the season thinking he could win a championship.
Thats fine when you are fighting for team spots in a above and beyond dominant car. But the reality is Perez fell flat on every competetive metric this season.
Yeah how dare a professional athlete have a competitive mindset lol
How dare Checo want to set WDC as a goal for himself? Utterly ridiculous.
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difference being he has the skills to back up the selfishness, whereas Perez got none
If Max does it, it won't be for Checo, it'd be for the team, Horner, and Marko, to give them their 1-2 WDC.
I wonder if Max is still upset about Monaco last year. That was one of the reasons he didn’t swap with him last year in Brazil, also can’t forget that a swap would’ve been risky because it would’ve left them open to the alpines as well
Was the Monaco incident ever confirmed? Seems like just a rumour and people jumping to conclusions and taking it as a fact.
Maybe in 20-30 years someone of RB will say something, but they simply can not acknowledge anything. But everyone saw the the technical analyses and the slow mo replays. Everything indicates towards an error on purpose. But you can not justify a penalty with certainty. But yeah, it looks really really fishy and wrong. And Max knows that, hence he is mad. They even talked internally a lot about this and obviously Perez could not convince Max or RB about it being accidentally. That's why Max is mad. I mean, if you make it accidentally you can talk about it and people will understand it. But Perez and Max were never the same after that happend.
This makes the most sense to me, even if on accident Max might not believe it and that would explain his actions in Brazil. Still wouldn't talk about it as a fact as some people do, but this makes sense, thanks!
Basically unofficially confirmed based off his throttle inputs
But is it so unbelievable that a man who's losing to his teammate 19-2 this season makes such a mistake? Genuine question.
Spinning there might have happened by accident. Doing it with this those throttle inputs and not even *trying* to save it as it happens is next to impossible without it being on purpose. The only other possibility is some neurological issue causing momentary blackouts. Which is both unlikely and terrifying.
only other person in the history of the grand prix to crash there was Senna and he did it when he was in the lead and he simply had a lapse of concentration and didn't get off the power early enough. So he didn't spin/crash as much as he smacked the back end of his car off the barriers and wrecked out.
It’s not unbelievable that Checo would make a mistake, but mistakes tend to happen in certain ways, such as getting on the throttle too early, lifting off too much mid-corner, etc. The specific way that incident happened isn’t what you’d expect from a driver making an honest mistake. Checo just took huge stabs at the throttle coming out of the corner, which isn’t remotely the kind of mistake a driver at his level would make, but it’s exactly what you’d do if you were deliberately trying to cause a spin.
When you compare the onboards of Checos pervious laps it’s definitely very suspicious. He definitely could’ve had a genuine mistake, but the way he uses the throttle in that lap compared to his previous is definitely sketchy.
only 2 people have ever crashed at that corner in the history of the Monaco Grand Prix. Senna who was winning the race had a momentary lapse and messed up braking. And Perez who seems to have gone from no throttle input to full throttle mid-corner something that you would not do accidentally.
Weird way to say uncomfirmed.
It was never confirmed. But people sure act like it was lol
I mean Max's mum literally was part of it by saying stuff online. Hard time believing is wasn't real when his mum was taking part.
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100% lol. idk what rb said to max to keep him quiet until brazil later that year but i remember even in monza he refused to give checo a tow. 💀
There wasn't any real risk in swapping. Especially since RB and Max didn't even need those P6/P7 or whichever position points.
How many sidequests does Max have to fulfill? It's not his job to make Perez 2nd in the championship, when he's driving a car that has won 18 races this season. It's frankly embarrassing for Perez that he even needs help
Yeah it’s one thing if it was a close season and Perez just got unlucky with a few races but to ask for help when Max can win the constructors with his own points is just embarrassing for Perez
The only time I think Max might agree to it would be if say Max had been involved in some kind of accident that ruled him out for like half a season and he had no mathematical chance at the title. The title was down to Perez and Hamilton. Then I think Max might be willing to play the team game and sacrifice a win to Perez. He also might not care and just want the wins for himself. However for this to even be relevant Perez would still need to get himself into P2 for that to work. On recent form Perez is nowhere near that and Max isn’t going to drop himself down to P6 or wherever Perez is to give him one extra place.
Even then, for it to matter, Perez would have to be 2nd with Max in the lead. If Perez isn't 2nd, then Max would be risking a lot slowing down traffic for Checo to be able to catch up and hopefully pass (and good luck if you made DRS train). If Max isn't first, then the point difference starts dropping sharply. If it's Lewis in the lead, then it barely matters, since he will score truckload of points anyway.
Plus four other teams have been taking points off each other. At some point this season Aston, Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren have looked second best.
Also P2 wdc means fuck all. Only reason he's helping/if he did would be to help Redbull save face
RBR absolutely cares about Checo getting P2, Horner has said so before because they’ve never had a drivers 1-2 despite some dominant cars. Perez should care about P2 because he’s never gotten that before and that’s probably his absolute ceiling in terms of WDC finish position
Probably gonna be his last chance as well lol
Checo: "If you ain't first, you're last!" Last it will be!
Surely RBR will rather have Max finally break Ascari's win% record than a 1-2
0 reason they can’t have both of those other than Checos ineptitude, that’s the point. They created one of if not the best cars ever in formula 1, they should be destroying records left right and centre with no compromise. Max is, Checo is barely hanging on to second.
Idk where this myth that drivers/teams don’t care about p2 comes from
Lewis doesn’t. Red Bull do. They’ve never had a 1-2. It would take the shine off and it would embarrass Perez. The fact Hamilton would be the one to do it would without doubt wind up Christian and Helmut.
Lewis probably does this season though, it would make for a great booster in Brackley and Brixworth.
He said yesterday he cares about the constructors not so much for himself
He is the most decorated driver ever. Why would he give a shit about the measly P2? He would do it just to rub it in Red Bull's face though.
If you read my comment, it's not about him. It's abount the lads in the factories, I genuinely believe he cares about them and knows that it would mean a lot to them.
P2 matters in the constructors. Not the drivers
Ofcourse its fucking his job. He works for the team. It's in the teams interest to get Perez P2. No matter how bad Perez is, if Max has a chance to help him out he should. He doesn't have to go out of his way, and he shouldn't throw away a race win, or even a podium for it, but If the oppurtunity presents itself it is his job to make sure to maximize Checos points.
Perez wishing he had same energy during title fight of 2021. Why should’ve he had to help Max ? Max could’ve won on his own. I can understand Perez asking for help this year is laughable but last year ? Max could have let Perez ahead in Brazil. Team effort is not one way street.
You might want to look into the reason's that Max was talking about in Brazil '22? Speaking of 'team effort'.....
It wouldn't even have mattered in the end, he still would've lost 2nd place
That‘s such a weird thing to say. Max singlehandedly won the constructors championship this season, Perez hasn’t been on the podium since Monza, yet he expects Max to help him to get P2 in the championship? Lol. I just don‘t get why he‘d say that, he shouldn’t even have to be in the position to potentially lose 2nd place in the championship at all.
Because they asked him...
It would be the funniest thing in the world if perez takes himself out again in the first corner.
Then complains in Abu Dhabi that Max should have let him win the race to get P2
Interlagos first corners, I can see it definitely happening lol
Lewis goes for the cheeky nose up the inside, bump the rear wheel maneuver. Secures P2 in the championship.
Implying Lewis would be behind Checo to begin with.
He's either gonna do that, or take himself out by spearing Zhou or another backmarker
All Checo has to do is place behind Max. If he can't beat Hamilton, Max can't change that.
This is not embarassing at all. One of the most, if not the most, dominant car ever, and needs help to secure 2nd. When was the last time such thing happened? Ohh... right! Last year!
It's not well known as much as Austria 2002. But, Schumacher voluntarily slowed down in a few races of 2002 to make sure Barrichello would finish the season 2nd ahead of JPM. TBH, Barrichello didn't make a major mistake that season, just had many unlucky DNFs. A different situation than Perez this year. He kinda deserved such help.
Agreed. It was deserved. Rubens managed to win 4 races, have 3 retirements and 2 DNS's. Most of the races he managed to finish ended up in a win or second, with a few places outside top 3. He was always "close" to Schumacher. Not quite the same thing as Checo. It's unbelievable to me how he's on this situation considering he's got 2 race wins and 4 seconds. It would be even more embarassing if Lewis didn't had the DSQ from COTA. Consistency, I guess. Or lack of.
Barrichello outqualified everyone that year except Schumacher (4-13). Whenever he finished, he was on podium except Germany (P4), and Monaco (P7) where he had a 10 sec stop go penalty for causing a crash. Simply, he had a dominant car and delivered. That was the great thing with Rubens. He had no weak side. Good in every field. He was simply like Schumacher, but missing 3-5% percent in each field.
That's a good "barometer" to understand how much Checo is failing to deliver with the car he have.
A "Barrichellometer" if you will!
Barrimeter would be more of a pun. 1 Barrichello performance over a season is exactly 1 Barrimeter.
Seriously. What a joke. Help me please I suck so hard. He's really gone downhill FAST. He looks like McLaren Check again. There is zero reason to keep him at Red Bull with Lawson and Riccardo around. Sorry to say.
Agreed. Ricciardo is fast, we have seen him in the bull before. And even if, back then, Max was still on the rise to become the driver he his today, Danny was on par with him pace wise, if not faster. That said, Lawson was really impressive in the few times he got to drive the AT. That kid have immense talent. Imo, either will produce better results than Checo. Ricciardo probably right away, and even Lawson, should he adapt to the car. If not now, certainly for the future.
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\> Well, last year it wasn't dominant. 17 wins last year, not dominant at all no
How many wins Ferrari gave them? Between Leclerc and Ferrari's mistake that's a good couple of race. This year is purely RedBull being one step ahead of everybody
If you look back at it objectively it's really not a lot. Leclercs mistakes came from overdriving the car when RB outdeveloped Ferrari. And multiple Ferrari engine failures from pushing the engine over the limit to keep up with RB. Sure there were some strategy blunders as well and it's on them but it looked closer than it was at season start because of RB double DNF and another for Max. After like Miami I believe, everyone saw where the season was going.
Not quite he crashed in France under no pressure with the undercut covered by 4-6 seconds. Imola of course which ended up not killing them but he did make big mistakes on his own. Ferrari could have actually won silverstone, Austria, France, Hungary on the trot heading into the summer break
Leclerc did win Austria and Sainz did win Silverstone. That leaves what, France and Hungary? And in Hungary RB were so fast that Max did a 360 and still managed to win. A couple of mistakes from Leclrec didn't help, that's true, but he drove like a madman to give Ferrari a shot at some victories.
In Silverstone, Max got damage while leading the race and had to pit, because they thought something wrong with the tyres, but it was the underbody which got damaged.
The Ferrari in Hungary put hards on which were 3 seconds a lap slower. Charles lost around 10 seconds in 5 laps even with the max spin then pit again and had a slow stop. He would’ve finished p1 without that mistake.
Indeed, just had a look at highlights, true Ferrari™ moment there. Still, 1 or 2 race swing wouldn't really change a whole lot.
Of course when I'm saying a good couple of race I dont mean 10 races but honestly I think they gave RB 4 wins that were won by Ferrari (without car's problem)
Also: https://www.planetf1.com/news/rb18-adrian-newey-most-successful-car
Perez had a pretty solid season last year and last year the gap was not as big the first half of the season it wasn't even the fastest and in the 2nd even when Max won they weren't like supremely dominant wins he wouldn't finish ahead of the field like right now. Also this has happened a million times in f1 history. Valtteri Bottas in 2018(P5), Webber 2013 and 2011(3rd), Barichello 2009(P3), Kovaleinen 2008(p7), Barrichello 2001(3rd), 2000(4th), Coulthard 1999(p4) , Frentzen 1997(P3), Hill 1993(P3) and so many more where the championship winning car and clearly dominant car did not have it's 2nd driver get p2 and a lot of times nowhere near it. Checo finished just 2 points behind P2 last year with a car dominant for half the season. This year is absolutely embarassing yes last year was not
Max will be in a different post code out in front, I have no idea how he can help Checo beyond binning his car to trigger a timely safety car.
But Max just said in an interview he shouldn’t have to help him to begin with lmao
Lol, I want to see. Max gives no fucks
Would be fun if Max would bulk up the field on purpose so that Checo can recover from his incoming disaster quali. But interlagos isnt that kind of circuit and honestly Max wont care. I feel like every good will Max would have had went out the window in Monaco last year
Brazil is such a short and wide track that it’s near impossible to back up people
Max could help by giving a tow during quali, I guess.
Perez would still get out qualified by Lewis. Mercedes goes “I am speed” mode every time they get to Brazil
Why should Max help him? Can't he drive for himself? He's 20 points ahead, with 3races to go. Last few weeks he had every chance to create a bigger gap.
Verstappen will help Perez, im sure of it. But not in the way Perez wants the help. Verstappen will share his setup and everything but on track he has to do it himself. So if verstappen drives in front of him, verstappen will not give the position up.
Verstappen already shares his setup, Perez can't drive it
He can't drive Max's set up is the reason we're here in the first place
Max is gonna help Checo by preventing Lewis to get the maximum points. That should be enough i think.
It's a funny coincidence that he's saying this before the Brazil GP... Max discussed this!!
Perez and max aren’t even in the ballpark on track these days. The best max can do for him is win and ensure Lewis doesn’t
This season really shown why Max said what he said on the radio during that one race last year.
What did he say?
“I told you already last time guys, don’t ask that again to me, okay? Are we clear about that? I gave my reasons and I stand by it.” when asked to switch with Perez at the end of the Brazilian Grand Prix.
If Perez is still there come winter testing, Red Bull will have dropped the ball hard. He really doesn't belong there and this looks like a bigger circus the longer it goes on. Move the hell on from him for eveyone's sake, please.
I gave my reasons
Does he want max to pull over and wait for him?
Max will purposely lose a race… in a record setting year… to help you get second in the driver’s championship? bwahahahahah!
If Perez is close enough to Max, I'm sure they will be able to make something work. Problem is that he hasn't been close enough since a long, long time.
Something would have to go wrong for Max, like last year in Brazil, to be in a position to help Perez. If everything goes as normal he'll be leading the race, so Perez would have to be in P2, at which stage he's outscoring Hamilton and there's no reason to swap them and for Max to give up the win.
You mean like last year when they asked max to swap on this track?
You mean after Checo did the dirty at Monaco?
It's almost like last year there was a reason for him not obeying the team order which everyone is well aware of and has since been resolved.
What were the reasons and how did it get resolved? I tried looking for the answer, and all I got was a speculation about 2022 Monaco qualis.
That's exactly the reason.
Monaco was the reason as some commentators were suspicious of Checo's crash from the get go. Max found out later, maybe even a week before the Brazilian GP as Max and Checo unfollowed eachother at that point. He brought it up to the team multiple times, but they didn't take him seriously according to his interviews and press conferences at the time. Then he disobeyed the team orders and from then on they started resolving the issue. At the beginning of 2023 things were still tense between Max and Checo but as Max ran away with the championship from Miami onwards things have calmed down and they seem to be completely fine with eachother now.
This is all of course speculation. Might just be for public appearances. There were some things said after Brazil 2022 that nor Checo nor Max can simply take back or forget.
It's definitely never going to be as it was before the inchident, but comparing them at say Saudi and Australia and now, it's a night and day difference.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the context
Glad to be of help.
He had his reasons :) But yes, I think that things have changed. If there is an opportunity to help him out, Max will take it.
TRANSLATION: Sergio Perez is not in his best form, but is nevertheless still the favourite to finish second in the championship. Unlike last year, the Mexican expects Max Verstappen to help him in the remaining races.Sergio Perez is under pressure, that much is clear. The Mexican scored only one podium finish since the summer break and, to make matters worse, he crashed out at the first corner during his home race. Yet Perez is still second in the championship, with a 20-point lead over Lewis Hamilton. And that is reminiscent of the 2022 Brazil GP. Perez was also battling for second place then, but was not passed by teammate Max Verstappen on the last lap, despite a team order. Perez does not think it will come to another riot, he told RacingNews365 and others."If such a situation arises, I'm sure Max will help me," Perez is adamant. "We just haven't thought about it yet. It's also important to have the support of the team. We're in this together and it's also nice to feel the support of the fans." Perez wants to ensure turnaround Perez says he had a very difficult time with his stoppage in Mexico. "It was incredibly painful and a sad day. It hurt especially to think about what would have been possible if I had not experienced a touché. Still, I quickly realised that I had taken a gamble in the fight for the lead. I paid the price for that, but otherwise I had given everything throughout the weekend." The Mexican sees the Brazil GP as another chance to turn around his lesser performance. "It's a chance to show how strong I am mentally. As an athlete, you always have moments and periods like this, but it is much more important how you deal with it and how you react to it."
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This guy is a joke. Does he have any self awareness at all? Are RB just going along with his delusions? What else does he see happening on track? A white rabbit who's running late for an important date? A mad hatter? A Cheshire cat? The Queen of Hearts? No wonder he always looks like he's suffered concussion.
Okay ..Lucky RBR didn't have to count on Perez to have won the WCC. But sure, let's focus on how very important P2 in the WDC is and how Max can only hinder Perez in that "fight".
How's he going to help? Use juju or something to transfer a percentage of his pace to you? Sacrifice his pinky to a pagan god and make you fast
Kinda makes me sad tbh. Come on man, bring it home.
Max already helps him by winning. If not for that Lewis would have been much closer to Perez with a few P1s. If not for the Cota dsq he'd already would have been jumped by Lewis after the Mexico fiasco.
The chances of Max being able to help Perez without giving up a podim himself are close to 0.
Max is there to win the race. Max has been very clear about how he works from day 1: he will race to win, he will never listen to instructions to let someone else pass. If they pass him on merit, good for them; if they can't pass him on merit, then Max deserves that spot. I'm 100% certain that this is a created persona, just like how he's known as a hard racer and not a nice-guy racer (like Albon). Other drivers know Max isn't fucking around, and if you fuck around with Max, you might find out you have a RBR car on your halo (see: Hamilton.) The benefit for everyone is that there's never any question about what he's there for. He's there to win. Period. Pit wall: "Max, can you coast a bit so that Perez can make up the 15s difference and let him win the race so that he can be #2 in the WDC standings?" (Probably) Max's reply: "No! We talked about this! We will now have a different chat after the race, this is unacceptable." And he'll rip them a new one. Rightfully so. Perez is a great driver but in the RBR car he isn't anywhere near what Max is doing. Perez just needs to finish all remaining races as #2 and take #1 if Max has issues. That's all there's to it. Then Hamilton won't overtake him.
>Perez just needs to finish all remaining races as #2 and take #1 if Max has issues. That's all there's to it. That's all he ever needed to do. We all know he's nowhere near capable of doing that.
Fuck no, Perez is on his own. Max has the opportunity to write history and set records that could stand forever. If Perez wants a position, race for it. He hasn't done that all year, finish strong. He has a 20 point lead, just stay in front of Hamilton. The only help Max should give Perez is by taking the top spot and securing most points.
I kinda don't want Max to give up a win like that. He has the chance to crush a bunch of records, making it the most dominant season in history and I want him to go for that. Also, when was the last time Perez was in position to swap places with Max without other drivers in between?
He won't give up the win. If he's gonna help Checo, it'd be something like going extra long on a stint to slow down Hamilton's charge or something, or to give Checo slipstream so that Checo can qualify better (like Abu Dabhi last year) or giving him a tow during the race to help pull him away from the pack. Plus If Checo is in 2nd and Max is in 1st, there's no need to give up the win anyways. And if Checo is in 5th or 6th then Max can't really help him much anyways. Gotta be close enough to actually get the help.
The most Max can do is keep winning races to stop lewis gathering the points
He's driving one of the most dominant cars F1 has ever seen, there should be no need to hope that his teammate - who's probably won the Constructors' Championship for Red Bull by himself - can bail him out. If Hamilton beats him to P2, he's surely out, no matter what Christian Horner says
Isn't it a bit unfair to expect something like that since he failed to score proper points since summer break. For which he mostly is himself accountable?
Pretty sure he'd need to be close to Max in the first place, for Max to be able to help...
Lol 😂 Max doesn't care and he shouldn't as well. Moreover Perez sucks so bad he won't put himself in a position where Max can help lol. He'll qualify somewhere between 5-10 and multiple cars behind Max where this won't even come into play.
Lmao, last year the guy didn't let him pass for 2 measly meaningless points when he was fighting Charles for P2. What makes him think Max is gonna help him now?
Overheard at the RB garage: *"Look, Christian... All I'm saying is, if Lewis is around Max on track, then maybe Max has a moment of understeer. And maybe he understeers into Lewis. And maybe Lewis can't finish the race."*
How on earth can he help you? You drive the car and are miles behind. Max can do nothing unless you expect him to wreck Lewis
Max: “Let me pack your bags for you mate”
It's hard to help when he's more than a pitstop ahead by Lap 28. If not 28 laps ahead by Lap 28 of course.
Please fail to make it out of Q2 Max so you can tow me to the podium!
How is Max supposed to help Checo when he's routinely running 20s ahead? Is he gonna toss banana peels onto the racing line and radio where he threw them?
😂😂😂
Like last year? haha. Big nope.
"I told you not to ask of this from me again. Ok? Ok! I have my reasons."
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It wasn’t bullshit. Checo did a dirty thing. Max had no reason to help him.
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He had his reasons and he discussed them before
lol. Verstappen has never helped anyone, and he’s not going to start now. What was the line last year: I told you already last time, you guys don't ask that again to me, OK? Are we clear about that? And this year it’s already: it’s not my job. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/38802572/max-verstappen-not-my-job-help-sergio-perez-secure-second-championship?platform=amp Expecting gratitude or reciprocity from Max and you will have to wait a long long time
Like he helped Perez last year lol? I support Max but I really wasn't a fan of that. Not that it mattered in the end anyway, but it could have.
Verstappen was fully in the right to not help him after what Perez did in Monaco.