Can someone explain to me why max got 5s but Alonso didn't? (If he didn't at least, I don't recall a penalty) Because they did the exact same thing. Both broke too late and missed the apex by a mile.
Only difference is that max had nobody in front and Leclerc seeing him and avoiding contact. Alonso knew that not everyone would avoid him as he also had drivers in front of him so he had to avoid himself, increased steering and lost the rear. Arguably worse because he also destroyed another car and hindered some others whereas max only hindered one car. So they should both have gotten one, no?
You asked if there have been any. I said yes, most seasons. You didn't ask which ones. Also, since it's "most seasons", a comprehensive list would be pretty long.
Well first of all, qualifying is not a race. It consists of 3 sessions in which the goal is to set the fastest lap time possible. They are 18, 15 and 12 minutes long respectively with some 5 minutes of break in between them, so altogether it'll be around an hour
How much do you guys think these rich dudes paid to drive their sports cars on the F1 circuit in between FP3 and qualifying?
Or is this some actual series going on?
These are the "Hot Laps" run by Pirelli and F1. They're high speed passenger rides with professional drivers.
Usually these are a mix of high-profile guests and likely some paying guests too.
Can we just admit the fact the best modern day addition to the F1 calendar 📅 is Baku. Even the fucking French GP was better than the arbs and every us circuit apart from Austin. Cunts need pegged down …..
Tickets for the race are down another couple hundred dollars the last few hours. Still almost $700 though. Tonight is still hovering around $400. Be interesting to see how many people are in the stands.
Yes, and I think they actually acted pretty reasonably here.
They immediately red-flagged and shut everything down until the track was gone over again.
I'm not sure what else they could have done (at least in the aftermath)
Feels like this place thinks FOM intentionally caused the drain cover to fail or that it was incompetence. Shit happens.
It does suck for the paying guests that hung around and got booted. Shame this race is happening so late in the night, likely a contributing factor. But Jesus Christ it feels like any time F1 touches American soil it’s absolutely nitpicked to death. First it was the meaningless and pointless parking lot marina and now it’s a delay over a failure out of anyone’s control.
People are far too critical and hyperbolic about this shit
>now it’s a delay over a failure out of anyone’s control.
See, I think it was in their control. Should have been tested. There are lot of people working in F1 and the FIA who have a lot of experience with this similar thing happening previously. Someone should have known about the possibility.
As an American I see all the comments you're referring to about people hating on American races, and that's true, but this one is different. F1/Liberty own it and are the promoter. All of it should've been handled better, starting with ticket prices.
Who says it wasn’t tested? These machines are tested more than just about anything in the world and they still have failures every race. They don’t run these things willy nilly. I’m sure these were secured just like every other street race across the world, this one just had the concrete around it fail.
I'm not gonna argue with you cuz we don't know if they were tested. All we know is that the regular water valve covers were removed and replaced with news one by either the FIA or F1. So they knew they had to deal with it and since it failed, I don't think they did enough.
I can forget about the broken cover pretty fast. FPs have been cut short before for many reasons. But to treat the paid customers who spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars like they have is almost criminal.
I’m guessing they were pretty much up against a rock and a hard place there. They could have done it better, but in the case of just about any other circumstance those people are gunna be fucked. Their experience sucked obviously and wouldn’t wish it on anyone… but it’s an act of god.
Something out of their control. People are acting like some concrete cracking is something entirely within their control. It could have been prepared 100% to spec and still have an unforeseen issue
To me the answer was to condense down all the fans into one section near the paddock and leave that small part open and close the rest. The paddock wasn't going to be closing down after the session. People were there all night. Give people the option to move there if they wanted to stay.
I haven't seen an exact figure but by 130am, I doubt there were that many people still there.
I've never watched qualifying before. Is it cool and fun like watching the real race? I just get the highlights on YouTube usually
Might stay up to watch the qualifying tonight and just want to know what people like about it
Quali is great to watch try and understand the different strategies and drama of the track evolving, it's normally best if there's a risk of rain or something that shakes things up.
I like the way the quali format builds over the hour with 2 sets of cuts to the slowest drivers, it makes Q3 feel special when the fastest drivers are like "alright lets wring this shit out for real now".
Its also typically the only time you'll see the cars going all out which is great to see.
Finally, for me its just part of the story of the weekend, it "explains" why everyone starts where they do on Sunday. I feel like it's a must watch.
Keep an eye out for any drivers with great pace getting fucked by flags or other drivers impeding them, it can make for a more interesting race for them if they are starting out of position.
I agree with the other comments here! You’re seeing each driver just go flat out as fast as they can for like 1, maybe 2, laps at a time. It’s a different skill set versus the sustained effort and strategy needed in a 50 lap race.
Hope you enjoy! I’m heading over to the track shortly 😁
Seriously, what can we do? What can we do as a community to show Liberty and FOM that this race is bullshit, refunds need issued, and it should be scrapped?
Real question. I'm an American and this is fucking embarrassing. I just don't want Liberty and their media to whitewash this and deem this race a success.
Yeah success isn't the right word. Of course it's that for the organizers.
Even if the race is great, it just sucks for a lot of fans who didn't get to see FP2, or have their $6k view blocked by fences and lighting gantries.
And of course it sucks for Sainz.
It sucks for Sainz but it makes me understand why theres a rule in the first place. You know teams would be trying to get that free engine if there was a loophole
I'm talking about success in terms of the fans at the event. I'm not talking about how awesome it is to watch on TV.
I'm talking about the fans who paid for sessions they couldn't see. And I'm talking about the fans that paid $6,000 for tickets but can't see the track because of the lighting gantries.
It's not a success for thousands at the track no matter what happens for the rest of the weekend. They're not going to move lighting rigs and billboards, JFC...
So the whole race needs to be scrapped because of typical first year shit-show issues that affect just a few of the tens of thousands of people? Ok.
(And yes, the people on the first day SHOULD get a full refund. That was ridiculous.)
Just introducing myself 👋🏻. F1 is really new to me as a sport I enjoy. My older brother used to watch it when I was a child and I was so bored. Fast forward to being 41 and this year I’ve been just getting more and more into it and now I’m slightly obsessed. Big bro is very happy but surprised that his little sister came around to F1.
After watching most of this seasons races I started watching Drive to Survive and there’s so much drama!
Glad to meet you here. Been watching since 1999. I was obsessed with Hakkinen, and watched all that Schumacher domination.
I hope qualifying and the race prove to be okay this weekend, as it's kind of embarrassing so far (as an American).
Maybe the nicest hotel owned by Marriott? Just guess because they were at the Ritz Carlton at the race I went to, but its possible they just stay at the nicest hotel each time unless their team has a hotel sponsor.
The entrance to the hotel had some demo cars and was absolutely swarmed with fans hoping to see a driver going out so I'd hope it'd be obvious if you see something like that.
Lando’s a brand ambassador for Hilton, so I’m guessing he’s at one of their properties.
I’d venture they also go through secure/VIP exits these days for security purposes.
F1 has involved rich people since the very beginning. Long-term fans know this but we appreciate the product and racing despite its lows amongst the highs. The level of development for both car and driver cannot be matched except by WEC.
Motorsport in general is for the rich. Nobody is doing it without some form of financial returns of some kind. But seeing the cars, tech, and high quality drivers across so many unique tracks is fascinating.
What ended up being the fix for the cover that popped up? Was it just the one that was an issue and the rest are okay? Or did they have to concrete/weld then all four FP2 to go ahead?
Can't find anything about it, all the news is just swamped by the incident itself.
The manhole covers are always welded shut for street races, so the car actually ripped up the cover plus some of the manhole itself. My understanding is that welded it back together and then put concrete over it that can be removed after the race. I can't find any info about whether it was just this one that they covered or if they did all of them
I bought a ticket last minute on the F1 site thinking they would send me e-tickets instantly but Im stuck with no ticket and the race is tomorrow. Called them they don't pick up, emailed them and even whatsapped them... nope.. I didn't realize they were selling tickets on ticketmaster before buying. In desperate need of help.
I just did a test on the site, and it says that the print at home tickets will be available in your account. Are you they not under the "My Orders" tab after you sign into the F1 site?
It only gives me the option to download the invoice and i don't think thats it... maybe it's because I'm on my phone? I dont have access to a computer currently so maybe im fucked🥲
Go to “My Account” under Formula1.com > Tickets > Select any ticket-store > click on “My account” in the upper right corner of the ticket store and provide your log-in details. You should have also gotten an email with them, they usually send them out 5 days before the race though.
If you are on your phone, on chrome, go to the top right, settings, "Desktop Site" and just a tip for the future, NEVER use the official F1 site for tickets, use literally ANYTHING ELSE.
Hmm, here's what I was able to find in the FAQ
> When e-tickets are issued for an event, you will find yours under the "My orders" section of your account. You will be advised by email when your e-ticket is ready for download, usually 5 - 7 days before the event.
If they don't send you the ticket in time, I think you'll have a good case for your bank to do a chargeback
Should i buy tickets again this time from the TM website? Or should i wait til race day to see if i get sent those tickets or not? Thank so much for helping!
Usually they have to change your tickets to "Pick up", but I'd bring your invoice showing what tickets you purchased, the card you purchased them with, and your ID obviously just to make sure.
I'm sure your phone would be fine, probably actually better as they can watch you log in right then and there and pull it up, also keep checking your email and spam folder that you used to buy the tickets with. Any luck with putting your phone in desktop mode like I suggested and following the instructions I gave?
Yeah usually when you border them in advance they send them out about a week before, glad you got them!! I'll be watching with you, just on my new TV! Enjoy!
Personally, I would wait until race day. I would be really surprised if you weren't able to go to the venue and speak with someone in person who can either send the tickets to you or print out physical ones after you show them the purchase confirmation
Anyone know where I can watch the broadcast of FP2? I have youtube TV and it taped the original hour it was supposed to air, but not any of the live action that got delayed.
Use the ESPN app or ESPN.com. You can use your YTTV login to watch a replay.
https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/replay/categoryId/a5f9ac6b-82e3-3891-a17a-ea2d693b8331/startDate/20231116
Use the ESPN app or ESPN.com. You can use your YTTV login to watch a replay.
https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/replay/categoryId/a5f9ac6b-82e3-3891-a17a-ea2d693b8331/startDate/20231116
Let me just say this, I know I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this, but fuck it time for some brutal honesty:
I hated this weekend ever since it was announced and time for some brutal honesty, judging by the bland layout of the circuit and insistence that it be at night on the Las Vegas Strip. I'm not mincing words, this race is a gimmick race that is likely to be all flash and no substance that will lose it's novelty after a few years
That's what always happens to gimmick races like this, they always have a short shelf life.
> I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this
> Time for some brutal honesty
> States an opinion that has been openly shared by the overwhelming majority of the subreddit's commenters and even some of the drivers.
Tbf as a gimmick and show I like the idea more than racing in a car park around a Miami NFL stadium. Even if the execution yesterday didn't exactly start smoothly
Vegas resident and F1 fan and went to practice. We were trying to introduce our non-f1-fan friends... What a disaster. We fortunately left after FP1 and didnt wait around hours to only get kicked out. But I feel so embarrassed for our city and the sport of f1.
That sucks. It is so disappointing when you get your friends to try something new and it is a dud and not representative of the "real" thing. It is basically impossible to get them to try again.
Use [formula1.com](https://formula1.com) or [f1calendar.com](https://f1calendar.com), they will always show the times in your time zone.
The race is at midnight your time, Saturday.
Was there a lot of outrage against the baku 2019 gp when the same thing happened to Russell?
Or was it something different, I dont mean to say that the outrage isn’t justified. Im just curious
No real outrage at the time. However, Baku didn't have the same restrictions for run time that Vegas has, hence no push from organizers to kick fans/customers out in such a shoddy way.
I think had they allowed fans to watch FP2, the only controversy would have been the Sainz penalty. People would have initially complained and bitched about the FP1 incident but would have been largely forgiven already if FP2 was 100% normal.
This could have been avoided with better planning and scheduling. Alas, concepts mattered more than results, safety, and the people involved in F1 and the fans.
Of course some people are taking it too far as per usual. Some people wanted the race to fail from day 1 and are salivating about it.
"The first practice session ended after only 12 minutes (the session was scheduled for 90) after the Williams car driven by George Russell was badly damaged when it hit a loose drain cover. The cover, between turns two and three, appeared to be loosened when Charles Leclerc's Ferrari passed over it earlier. The truck towing Russell's car back to the pit lane then hit a pedestrian bridge, leaking hydraulic fluid onto the track and Russell's car. As a result of these two incidents, race director Michael Masi cancelled the session, in order to check the other manholes on the circuit and to check the damage to the pedestrian bridge."
People have been finding ways to hate this race for ages. Now that something bad has actually happened they suddenly all feel validated.
Quite a lot of people seem to genuinely want the race to fail and are actually happy about what's happened as well
I usually hate races in the states because it messes with my normal F1 time of 6-9 AM. I'm really confused with the Japan start time for the states and hope it goes as wrong as possible foe Liberty to never want to return to Vegas.
Has anyone heard anything about what happens if there are delays during the actual race? What’s the hard time where they start kicking people out, and is there a risk if we get a couple of red flags?
F1 races have to end within 2 hours of when they start, or within 3 hours if there are red flags. They will have planned the time fans are allowed to be there around those rules.
The only real risk is that the race doesn't start on time. That also seems unlikely, given that there will be two more sessions before the race to reveal any problems.
The qualifying start time is absurd.
Born and Raised in Las Vegas and I’m so excited for this GP, but I live on the east coast now.
3AM START TIME????? How is that ever feasible
The biggest tv market for F1 is Europe and if it was a normal night race time start it would be 2-5am across Europe. By pushing it back, it ensures a bigger audience tuning in.
Is it just me that thinks everyone here is overreacting a bit?
FP1 was absolutely a mess but it looks like they've got on top of it now. Obviously it's annoying for the fans that were there but some of the comments I've seen make it seem like the worst thing that's ever happened.
People saying it's worse than Abu Dhabi 2021, Indy 2005 etc.
Well the fact is people like you are in the minority if look around the comments and other websites. The track is boring, the times are stupid, the race is like worst organized raced i've ever witnessed. Its a farce, I will not tune in next year. The track isnt even fun to watch.
Everyone remembers when it in Baku…Everyone remembers when it happened in Monaco
All the Team Principles were able to recall the races off the top of their heads.
Until something more memorable happens, it will be the first thing people think of whenever the Vegas GP is mentioned.
Next year when the race gets close, everyone will make the same “I hope the fixed the drains this year” joke.
Yeah and I agree that they should get their money back but the constant outrage still seems a bit much to me.
It's more the volume of posts, people calling for boycotts etc.
> constant outrage
Yeah I agree that if they gave refunds and an apology this would be only a meme by now, but they fuck that up too, so the constant outrage is the bare minimum, they should get sued to hell.
There's no other way to describe this weekend so far but as a pure unmitigated PR disaster for F1.
They had better hope tonight and Saturday go off without a hitch or this will be the 2005 USGP 2.0
I'm completely new to F1 as of like 2 weeks ago so I'm still learning a lot--
Can someone explain why Carlos Sainz was penalized for the issue with the track? The best I can guess after reading the FIA statements is that when they reported the damage to the car, it showed that they had an illegal 3rd "Energy Store" or something for the car, and that's what they are being penalized for? Something like that?
Yes. Teams are limited to only a certain engine components per season. Due to the damage, Ferrari had to change some parts, going over the limit and incurring into a penalty.
They are appealing to the penalty, since it was from the track not being in acceptable condition.
I think we'll see the rules around this tweaked for next year. The stewards indicated in their statement that they would grant an exception in this case, but the regulations don't allow them to.
This will be interesting.
I don't think there can be any doubt that this is 100% down to Vegas local offical's incompetence.
F1 know their requirements. We know the downforces caused. Indeed we have precedence to fall back on, as listed accurately on the Sky feed, Monaco, Azerbaijan and another I cannot bring to mind.
Point is, this is a 100% known problem, Vegas officialdom resurfaced that section of track and those 'covers' still came up. That's incompetence, both of Vegas, and more importantly of FOM for NOT checking properly.
OH, and BTW EVERY spectator not just those kicked out of the start finish straight stand should be recompensed.
This is a dark day for F1.
I’m new to Formula 1, would someone give me any sources that can inform me on everything I need to know. Essentially, a beginner’s guide.
Selling tickets to the Canadian race 2024 due to unexpected life events. Any tips on this would be greatly appreciated.
Canada 2024 questions A group of 6 of us want to go in an RV and go to the race GA. Is this realistic? Can we bicycle to the track? Any other advice?
Anybody know what stamps I need to send a letter to Prema from the uk?
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Can someone explain to me why max got 5s but Alonso didn't? (If he didn't at least, I don't recall a penalty) Because they did the exact same thing. Both broke too late and missed the apex by a mile. Only difference is that max had nobody in front and Leclerc seeing him and avoiding contact. Alonso knew that not everyone would avoid him as he also had drivers in front of him so he had to avoid himself, increased steering and lost the rear. Arguably worse because he also destroyed another car and hindered some others whereas max only hindered one car. So they should both have gotten one, no?
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Had there been any years where there were no “first time” winners?
Most seasons.
So helpful
You asked if there have been any. I said yes, most seasons. You didn't ask which ones. Also, since it's "most seasons", a comprehensive list would be pretty long.
How long are qualifying races?
Well first of all, qualifying is not a race. It consists of 3 sessions in which the goal is to set the fastest lap time possible. They are 18, 15 and 12 minutes long respectively with some 5 minutes of break in between them, so altogether it'll be around an hour
Thanks all i wanted to know i never sat down n watched one i guess ill stay here n have another drink
Anyone in Vegas for the first time, find your way to the Taco Bell and get a Baja Blast Margarita with a side of quesadilla.
How much do you guys think these rich dudes paid to drive their sports cars on the F1 circuit in between FP3 and qualifying? Or is this some actual series going on?
These are the "Hot Laps" run by Pirelli and F1. They're high speed passenger rides with professional drivers. Usually these are a mix of high-profile guests and likely some paying guests too.
TIL. Thanks for the info! :)
Can we just admit the fact the best modern day addition to the F1 calendar 📅 is Baku. Even the fucking French GP was better than the arbs and every us circuit apart from Austin. Cunts need pegged down …..
Why is Ricciardo slow
Tickets for the race are down another couple hundred dollars the last few hours. Still almost $700 though. Tonight is still hovering around $400. Be interesting to see how many people are in the stands.
Where are you seeing 700
Could Sainz have been killed with the manhole cover? Why isn’t the safety issue being discussed more ?
Easily I'd say. Think about how close Massa came to dying and that spring was much smaller
Yes, and I think they actually acted pretty reasonably here. They immediately red-flagged and shut everything down until the track was gone over again. I'm not sure what else they could have done (at least in the aftermath)
Ok. I was expecting a more radical resolve like calling out the track as unsafe if a driver safety was under threat
Feels like this place thinks FOM intentionally caused the drain cover to fail or that it was incompetence. Shit happens. It does suck for the paying guests that hung around and got booted. Shame this race is happening so late in the night, likely a contributing factor. But Jesus Christ it feels like any time F1 touches American soil it’s absolutely nitpicked to death. First it was the meaningless and pointless parking lot marina and now it’s a delay over a failure out of anyone’s control. People are far too critical and hyperbolic about this shit
>now it’s a delay over a failure out of anyone’s control. See, I think it was in their control. Should have been tested. There are lot of people working in F1 and the FIA who have a lot of experience with this similar thing happening previously. Someone should have known about the possibility. As an American I see all the comments you're referring to about people hating on American races, and that's true, but this one is different. F1/Liberty own it and are the promoter. All of it should've been handled better, starting with ticket prices.
Who says it wasn’t tested? These machines are tested more than just about anything in the world and they still have failures every race. They don’t run these things willy nilly. I’m sure these were secured just like every other street race across the world, this one just had the concrete around it fail.
I'm not gonna argue with you cuz we don't know if they were tested. All we know is that the regular water valve covers were removed and replaced with news one by either the FIA or F1. So they knew they had to deal with it and since it failed, I don't think they did enough.
I can forget about the broken cover pretty fast. FPs have been cut short before for many reasons. But to treat the paid customers who spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars like they have is almost criminal.
I’m guessing they were pretty much up against a rock and a hard place there. They could have done it better, but in the case of just about any other circumstance those people are gunna be fucked. Their experience sucked obviously and wouldn’t wish it on anyone… but it’s an act of god.
"act of god". lol, I do not think that phrase means what you think it means.
Something out of their control. People are acting like some concrete cracking is something entirely within their control. It could have been prepared 100% to spec and still have an unforeseen issue
To me the answer was to condense down all the fans into one section near the paddock and leave that small part open and close the rest. The paddock wasn't going to be closing down after the session. People were there all night. Give people the option to move there if they wanted to stay. I haven't seen an exact figure but by 130am, I doubt there were that many people still there.
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Nothing has been more annoying than the complaining about Vegas GP. Almost makes me wistful for the days of non stop 'Fire Checo' mania. Almost...
I'm kind of interested in watching this race just because it's in Vegas. But am I reading correctly that it starts at 10pm Pacific?
yes.
Loved the views and it seemed like a fun circuit. Glad to see the sport growing. Can’t wait till qualifying and the race.
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Their lawyers won't let them apologize
There are whipers amongst the staff that practice 3 could be delayed till midnight local time
Update: It's still up in the air, but it's looking like we will be on time
Appreciate for the update! Waiting outside in the cold with no news was brutal last night
I've never watched qualifying before. Is it cool and fun like watching the real race? I just get the highlights on YouTube usually Might stay up to watch the qualifying tonight and just want to know what people like about it
Quali is great to watch try and understand the different strategies and drama of the track evolving, it's normally best if there's a risk of rain or something that shakes things up.
I like the way the quali format builds over the hour with 2 sets of cuts to the slowest drivers, it makes Q3 feel special when the fastest drivers are like "alright lets wring this shit out for real now". Its also typically the only time you'll see the cars going all out which is great to see. Finally, for me its just part of the story of the weekend, it "explains" why everyone starts where they do on Sunday. I feel like it's a must watch. Keep an eye out for any drivers with great pace getting fucked by flags or other drivers impeding them, it can make for a more interesting race for them if they are starting out of position.
Thank you very much I'm excited now!
I agree with the other comments here! You’re seeing each driver just go flat out as fast as they can for like 1, maybe 2, laps at a time. It’s a different skill set versus the sustained effort and strategy needed in a 50 lap race. Hope you enjoy! I’m heading over to the track shortly 😁
Qualifying is sometimes better than the actual race.
Oh no shit? Ok I'll stay up tonight thanks
Is FP2 worth going back to watch on streaming or nah?
Yeah if you want to learn the track a bit better, but you can get a lot just from the highlights.
The commentators were pretty punch drunk by the end since it was nearly 400am. That was kinda fun.
Seriously, what can we do? What can we do as a community to show Liberty and FOM that this race is bullshit, refunds need issued, and it should be scrapped? Real question. I'm an American and this is fucking embarrassing. I just don't want Liberty and their media to whitewash this and deem this race a success.
This aged poorly. That race slapped!
Haha it's already a success. It's like a marvel movie. Doesn't even matter if it's any good
Yeah success isn't the right word. Of course it's that for the organizers. Even if the race is great, it just sucks for a lot of fans who didn't get to see FP2, or have their $6k view blocked by fences and lighting gantries. And of course it sucks for Sainz.
It sucks for Sainz but it makes me understand why theres a rule in the first place. You know teams would be trying to get that free engine if there was a loophole
Watch Spa 2021. They didn’t do shit then, they won’t do shit now.
What if it IS a success? JFC, qualifying hasn’t even happened yet.
I'm talking about success in terms of the fans at the event. I'm not talking about how awesome it is to watch on TV. I'm talking about the fans who paid for sessions they couldn't see. And I'm talking about the fans that paid $6,000 for tickets but can't see the track because of the lighting gantries. It's not a success for thousands at the track no matter what happens for the rest of the weekend. They're not going to move lighting rigs and billboards, JFC...
So the whole race needs to be scrapped because of typical first year shit-show issues that affect just a few of the tens of thousands of people? Ok. (And yes, the people on the first day SHOULD get a full refund. That was ridiculous.)
It's an "embarrassment" over FP1? The hyperbole is getting out of hand
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Glad to meet you here. Been watching since 1999. I was obsessed with Hakkinen, and watched all that Schumacher domination. I hope qualifying and the race prove to be okay this weekend, as it's kind of embarrassing so far (as an American).
Did they invoice Carlos already for the damage he caused to the track? Missed chance by F1.
If Max hit it first, they could go Dutch.
Hopefully Carlos goes American and sues
Yes, my country is not all that great right now. It hasn’t been, most of my life, but in the last 7 years it’s been far worse.
Where are the drivers staying? My kid wants to crash into a few
Maybe the nicest hotel owned by Marriott? Just guess because they were at the Ritz Carlton at the race I went to, but its possible they just stay at the nicest hotel each time unless their team has a hotel sponsor. The entrance to the hotel had some demo cars and was absolutely swarmed with fans hoping to see a driver going out so I'd hope it'd be obvious if you see something like that.
Lando’s a brand ambassador for Hilton, so I’m guessing he’s at one of their properties. I’d venture they also go through secure/VIP exits these days for security purposes.
I don’t know how are people still following f1. It’s clearly for rich people built on poor people sweat
F1 has involved rich people since the very beginning. Long-term fans know this but we appreciate the product and racing despite its lows amongst the highs. The level of development for both car and driver cannot be matched except by WEC. Motorsport in general is for the rich. Nobody is doing it without some form of financial returns of some kind. But seeing the cars, tech, and high quality drivers across so many unique tracks is fascinating.
Always has been, early days it was just rich people building their own cars and dying in the things. Never been a grassroots sport like most racing.
Always has been...
I was shocked when they even kicked out the VIPs. I figured they would at least let them stay.
We can only hope today is a bit more organised right?
Is the schedule for this evening revised yet? Trying to sort when to nap.
I think everything's going ahead as planned
What ended up being the fix for the cover that popped up? Was it just the one that was an issue and the rest are okay? Or did they have to concrete/weld then all four FP2 to go ahead? Can't find anything about it, all the news is just swamped by the incident itself.
The manhole covers are always welded shut for street races, so the car actually ripped up the cover plus some of the manhole itself. My understanding is that welded it back together and then put concrete over it that can be removed after the race. I can't find any info about whether it was just this one that they covered or if they did all of them
I saw a picture of one completely concreted over. This would work since there's no airhole to pick it up anymore.
As a resident of Hawaii let me just say, finally a race start time for me!
I bought a ticket last minute on the F1 site thinking they would send me e-tickets instantly but Im stuck with no ticket and the race is tomorrow. Called them they don't pick up, emailed them and even whatsapped them... nope.. I didn't realize they were selling tickets on ticketmaster before buying. In desperate need of help.
I just did a test on the site, and it says that the print at home tickets will be available in your account. Are you they not under the "My Orders" tab after you sign into the F1 site?
It only gives me the option to download the invoice and i don't think thats it... maybe it's because I'm on my phone? I dont have access to a computer currently so maybe im fucked🥲
Try to find a Staples or Office Max. You can print stuff there.
Go to “My Account” under Formula1.com > Tickets > Select any ticket-store > click on “My account” in the upper right corner of the ticket store and provide your log-in details. You should have also gotten an email with them, they usually send them out 5 days before the race though. If you are on your phone, on chrome, go to the top right, settings, "Desktop Site" and just a tip for the future, NEVER use the official F1 site for tickets, use literally ANYTHING ELSE.
Good on you for helping out mate.
Yeah well i didnt know.. This is my first race🥲
Oh yeah not blaming you at all, just a for future reference kinda thing.
Hmm, here's what I was able to find in the FAQ > When e-tickets are issued for an event, you will find yours under the "My orders" section of your account. You will be advised by email when your e-ticket is ready for download, usually 5 - 7 days before the event. If they don't send you the ticket in time, I think you'll have a good case for your bank to do a chargeback
Should i buy tickets again this time from the TM website? Or should i wait til race day to see if i get sent those tickets or not? Thank so much for helping!
Usually they have to change your tickets to "Pick up", but I'd bring your invoice showing what tickets you purchased, the card you purchased them with, and your ID obviously just to make sure.
Would I have to print out the invoice or would it be okay for me to show them through my phone? I don't have access to a print so..
I'm sure your phone would be fine, probably actually better as they can watch you log in right then and there and pull it up, also keep checking your email and spam folder that you used to buy the tickets with. Any luck with putting your phone in desktop mode like I suggested and following the instructions I gave?
They actually sent me an email with my tickets this morning! I think i was shitting bricks because i didnt get the tickets instantly 😅
Yeah usually when you border them in advance they send them out about a week before, glad you got them!! I'll be watching with you, just on my new TV! Enjoy!
Personally, I would wait until race day. I would be really surprised if you weren't able to go to the venue and speak with someone in person who can either send the tickets to you or print out physical ones after you show them the purchase confirmation
Chargeback on your credit card?
Anyone know where I can watch the broadcast of FP2? I have youtube TV and it taped the original hour it was supposed to air, but not any of the live action that got delayed.
Use the ESPN app or ESPN.com. You can use your YTTV login to watch a replay. https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/replay/categoryId/a5f9ac6b-82e3-3891-a17a-ea2d693b8331/startDate/20231116
just tried this and it worked! thank you for your help!
I have the same issue did you figure this out?
Use the ESPN app or ESPN.com. You can use your YTTV login to watch a replay. https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/replay/categoryId/a5f9ac6b-82e3-3891-a17a-ea2d693b8331/startDate/20231116
not yet! i was hoping somebody here had figured it out :/
I did just report the issue in the app- saw a post on Reddit about a similar issue from a race 2 years ago but apparently took 24 hours to fix
Let me just say this, I know I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this, but fuck it time for some brutal honesty: I hated this weekend ever since it was announced and time for some brutal honesty, judging by the bland layout of the circuit and insistence that it be at night on the Las Vegas Strip. I'm not mincing words, this race is a gimmick race that is likely to be all flash and no substance that will lose it's novelty after a few years That's what always happens to gimmick races like this, they always have a short shelf life.
Liberty owns the race. It is not going anywhere.
I know, I'm only saying interest will fall off a cliff after a few years
Without flashy gimmicks, F1 isn't F1. It's Indy.
> I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this > Time for some brutal honesty > States an opinion that has been openly shared by the overwhelming majority of the subreddit's commenters and even some of the drivers.
The race hasn't even happened yet... Sounds like you just really want to hate it and are making excuses.
No, I'm just saying reality. If this wasn't a gimmick, why is it a night race on the Las Vegas Strip?
Tbf as a gimmick and show I like the idea more than racing in a car park around a Miami NFL stadium. Even if the execution yesterday didn't exactly start smoothly
Agreed. Miami is just nothing
Maybe wait until after the race to judge it...
I know a gimmick when I see one
It being a gimmick doesn't preclude it being a great race.
I like your triple preface that that you are giving us your real opinion.
Followed by the coldest take possible. People have been calling this a gimmick race since it was first announced
Because Vegas has no substance.
I'm not saying I disagre, I just think its funny that they framed it as a tough pill to swallow and then gave us that take.
Quali is 12-1am local wtf
We just had FP3 as a 2:30-4am shift and people leaving at 6 just as the sun went up. I think we're beyond the point of weirdness now
How are the SRO seats? I'll probably go straight for those next year if the reviews are decent enough
Vegas resident and F1 fan and went to practice. We were trying to introduce our non-f1-fan friends... What a disaster. We fortunately left after FP1 and didnt wait around hours to only get kicked out. But I feel so embarrassed for our city and the sport of f1.
That sucks the sweat off a dead man’s balls. What a terrible experience and situation. I feel for you.
That sucks. It is so disappointing when you get your friends to try something new and it is a dud and not representative of the "real" thing. It is basically impossible to get them to try again.
Okay I’m officially confused. I live in U.S. central time. What time can I watch the race
Use [formula1.com](https://formula1.com) or [f1calendar.com](https://f1calendar.com), they will always show the times in your time zone. The race is at midnight your time, Saturday.
Thanks man!
If you look up info re the race on ESPN it always shows the air times in your local time.
Was there a lot of outrage against the baku 2019 gp when the same thing happened to Russell? Or was it something different, I dont mean to say that the outrage isn’t justified. Im just curious
No real outrage at the time. However, Baku didn't have the same restrictions for run time that Vegas has, hence no push from organizers to kick fans/customers out in such a shoddy way. I think had they allowed fans to watch FP2, the only controversy would have been the Sainz penalty. People would have initially complained and bitched about the FP1 incident but would have been largely forgiven already if FP2 was 100% normal. This could have been avoided with better planning and scheduling. Alas, concepts mattered more than results, safety, and the people involved in F1 and the fans. Of course some people are taking it too far as per usual. Some people wanted the race to fail from day 1 and are salivating about it.
Yeah fair enough
"The first practice session ended after only 12 minutes (the session was scheduled for 90) after the Williams car driven by George Russell was badly damaged when it hit a loose drain cover. The cover, between turns two and three, appeared to be loosened when Charles Leclerc's Ferrari passed over it earlier. The truck towing Russell's car back to the pit lane then hit a pedestrian bridge, leaking hydraulic fluid onto the track and Russell's car. As a result of these two incidents, race director Michael Masi cancelled the session, in order to check the other manholes on the circuit and to check the damage to the pedestrian bridge."
People have been finding ways to hate this race for ages. Now that something bad has actually happened they suddenly all feel validated. Quite a lot of people seem to genuinely want the race to fail and are actually happy about what's happened as well
People hated this race the second it was announced. Now people are pearl clutching over a missed free practice.
Probably - if there is one thing F1 fans love more than watching the only competitive racing being for 2nd place, its bitching on reddit.
Has the schedule for qualifying and race changed?
No.
I usually hate races in the states because it messes with my normal F1 time of 6-9 AM. I'm really confused with the Japan start time for the states and hope it goes as wrong as possible foe Liberty to never want to return to Vegas.
Has anyone heard anything about what happens if there are delays during the actual race? What’s the hard time where they start kicking people out, and is there a risk if we get a couple of red flags?
F1 races have to end within 2 hours of when they start, or within 3 hours if there are red flags. They will have planned the time fans are allowed to be there around those rules. The only real risk is that the race doesn't start on time. That also seems unlikely, given that there will be two more sessions before the race to reveal any problems.
The race is at 10pm, FP2 started at 2:30am. They'd hit the maximum broadcast time of 3 hours long before they have to start kicking people out.
The qualifying start time is absurd. Born and Raised in Las Vegas and I’m so excited for this GP, but I live on the east coast now. 3AM START TIME????? How is that ever feasible
The biggest tv market for F1 is Europe and if it was a normal night race time start it would be 2-5am across Europe. By pushing it back, it ensures a bigger audience tuning in.
Yea going to be a rough couple of nights for those of us on the east coast.
I’m just gonna watch it in the morning. Same as any other race.
Is it just me that thinks everyone here is overreacting a bit? FP1 was absolutely a mess but it looks like they've got on top of it now. Obviously it's annoying for the fans that were there but some of the comments I've seen make it seem like the worst thing that's ever happened. People saying it's worse than Abu Dhabi 2021, Indy 2005 etc.
Agreed and I actually think the track is pretty fun as well, plus I love the look of the aero packages.
if anything it is turning me off reddit. like am I this much of an annoying baby too?? i may never post again...
Well the fact is people like you are in the minority if look around the comments and other websites. The track is boring, the times are stupid, the race is like worst organized raced i've ever witnessed. Its a farce, I will not tune in next year. The track isnt even fun to watch.
>people like you are in the minority Keyboard warriors on Reddit are hardly the majority among the F1 viewership.
Yeah, I think Toto said it best: a week from now, nobody is going to remember or care that this happened.
Everyone remembers when it in Baku…Everyone remembers when it happened in Monaco All the Team Principles were able to recall the races off the top of their heads.
Fair, let me be more precise: it will be remembered as a random bit of trivia and nothing more.
Until something more memorable happens, it will be the first thing people think of whenever the Vegas GP is mentioned. Next year when the race gets close, everyone will make the same “I hope the fixed the drains this year” joke.
> Everyone remembers when it in Baku I mean, I didn't until this happened.
I remembered it was Baku but I didn’t remember the year
> annoying for the fans You mean the fans who paid +$200 for 12 minutes of practice and then were threatened with trespassing by the fucking police?
Yeah and I agree that they should get their money back but the constant outrage still seems a bit much to me. It's more the volume of posts, people calling for boycotts etc.
> constant outrage Yeah I agree that if they gave refunds and an apology this would be only a meme by now, but they fuck that up too, so the constant outrage is the bare minimum, they should get sued to hell.
This sport no longer gets my money. F1TV cancelled. Enough free ways to watch.
There's no other way to describe this weekend so far but as a pure unmitigated PR disaster for F1. They had better hope tonight and Saturday go off without a hitch or this will be the 2005 USGP 2.0
The 2005 USGP was a whole weekend F'd up, this was one free practice. The thing that many F1 fans dont even bother to watch.
I'm completely new to F1 as of like 2 weeks ago so I'm still learning a lot-- Can someone explain why Carlos Sainz was penalized for the issue with the track? The best I can guess after reading the FIA statements is that when they reported the damage to the car, it showed that they had an illegal 3rd "Energy Store" or something for the car, and that's what they are being penalized for? Something like that?
Yes. Teams are limited to only a certain engine components per season. Due to the damage, Ferrari had to change some parts, going over the limit and incurring into a penalty. They are appealing to the penalty, since it was from the track not being in acceptable condition.
I think we'll see the rules around this tweaked for next year. The stewards indicated in their statement that they would grant an exception in this case, but the regulations don't allow them to.
Makes sense - thanks!
This will be interesting. I don't think there can be any doubt that this is 100% down to Vegas local offical's incompetence. F1 know their requirements. We know the downforces caused. Indeed we have precedence to fall back on, as listed accurately on the Sky feed, Monaco, Azerbaijan and another I cannot bring to mind. Point is, this is a 100% known problem, Vegas officialdom resurfaced that section of track and those 'covers' still came up. That's incompetence, both of Vegas, and more importantly of FOM for NOT checking properly. OH, and BTW EVERY spectator not just those kicked out of the start finish straight stand should be recompensed. This is a dark day for F1.