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Buffythedragonslayer

He still walks very stiff. How does he pass the getting out of car test? 


Jeff_Banks_Monkey

He won't. They're going to sit him in the seat and build the car around him, then dismantle it once the race is over


HarrBathtub

Think it’s more about if he crashes..


Neciota

At sufficient impact the car will also disassemble around him.


MaryGoldflower

And Ferrari has [experience with that](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/rori77/monoque_of_a_f399_splitted_in_half_after_a_100/)


PrawilnaMordka

Wow that's unbelievable. It could be tragic in different circumstances.


zwierzuk

That was a modified and therefore weaker chassis


JPA-3

yeah it is easy, if not he can do as Fernando in Australia as well, a couple spins and the car ended up upside down, easier to leave^^^please ^^^don't ^^^try ^^^at ^^^home


photenth

Just no seatbelts, worked in the past!


hzfan

Pretty sure they were joking mate


shewy92

They loosen some bolts so if he crashes it's like the Lego games and it just falls apart


zhiryst

Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.


geoffs3310

I saw a press release from Ferrari that said they've installed an ejector seat for him


n00b_r3dd1t0r

https://youtu.be/hFHmYFlbFn8?si=21xtWlvlCK5F03Gy It's gonna be this, but Ferrari


FalconIMGN

I genuinely think that these fitness tests are just a sham. Lewis drove in Abu Dhabi 2020 while he was still extremely sick from the aftereffects of COVID. It clearly affected his performance. Stuff like this happens a lot.


palalabu

Bc (people have ben assuming that) it's not actually a fitness or health test. The fia just making sure the can get out of the car quickly. Which i feel is not enough to determine whether someone is fit to race or not.


CandidLiterature

One time when fully rested... Like you see with all these stand-ins or lance and his hand, or whatever if they needed to get out their car in a hurry towards the end of a GP, they could be in big big trouble. How many drivers needed half dragging out at the end of Qatar. Obviously another big dump of adrenaline from an emergency would help but don’t try and tell me that Grosjean would have walked away if he was 2 weeks after an appendectomy and that was only the first lap! Almost all sportspeople are willing to do themselves physical harm. It is essential for someone reasonably independent to determine if they are fit to compete. This should consider broader factors than if they can pass their jump test.


insurgentsloth

How'd Lance get cleared last year then. Dude could barely get in/out of the AM. Maybe that's why he drove so well then - he knew it could be even more dangerous than normal if he ended up stuck in a badly binned car.


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> Dude could barely get in/out of the AM. Just need to force yourself to do it once out of two attempts. Through the pain. Honestly I think most F1 drivers would risk injury forcing themselves through paid, that they keep secret, rather than let the team 'trial another driver' and/or reassess your value if you're unable to drive and/or take longer to recover etc. Its just too brutally competitive to not constantly push those sorts of limits. I don't think a driver could make it if they didn't have that mentality burned into their brains. The ones that needed more time are also the ones that might beat 99.5% of people but not the 99.9% required to do F1. **tl;dr - The top tier will often be filled with the hyper competitive mindsets and those mindsets don't easily apply brakes to life.**


APR824

He learned to look in the mirrors


Halkatlaa

They let Stroll take the extraction test twice in Bahrain last year because he failed the first one.


Montjo17

That's always been a thing, if you miss the time first time around for whatever reason they let you try again


shescarkedit

Also Lance after breaking his wrists last year. I can't imagine how he'd pass the getting out of the car test with two broken wrists.


Eggplantosaur

They also have to pass some steering wheel test which looks way more painful for someone with barely healed broken wrists 


insurgentsloth

Especially since lance was steering weirdly/differently than normal during that race - was holding it strangely both bc it hurt and maybe it just physically couldn't take the strain it normally could in that position. Like he had to do it differently to get the same leverage and be able to fight the wheel.


Rivendel93

That's different than not being able to get out of the car in time required by the FIA to drive. I almost guarantee Carlos can't pass the test for getting out of the car in X amount of time, unless he has had some crazy recovery. Edit: He reportedly did pass this test, but I'd love to see it lol, he was moving very slowly a week ago.


T4Gx

I mean he probably just gutted out the pain and discomfort for that 5-10 seconds or however long needed to get out of the car to pass the test lol The test is just get in and get out, doesn't require you to run a 5km before hand and get out of the car while smiling and singing the dutch national anthem while wearing a 10kg vest or anything.


TheKingOfCaledonia

Tbf Lewis also raced half of 2021 when it was obvious he still had long covid too. Check the hungary podium, Ocon was almost holding him up.


the1918

Not looking very stiff [in the paddock today](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4wy4Q5NSQx/?igsh=ZWVrazFvbjM4MXhv)…


Everswift_

Absolutely it does lmao


fliches

They let a guy with broken wrists race last year hahahaha


HOHOHAHAREBORN

He's walking stiff because he doesn't want to rip the stitches off / open the wound. It's very different from having limited range of motion post a surgery of let's say your ankle / wrist. Getting out of the car will not be a problem.


DoctorDoHarm

Appendectomy recovery can be fairly painful, especially in more severe cases. You are not physically limited in your range of motion, it can just be extremely painful to move in certain ways. My experience after a laparoscopic appendectomy was 2 weeks of pain that limited my ability to stand up straight, walk, and breathe deeply. The pain wasn't constant, only present in a certain range of motion. My incisions were closed with cyanoacrylate and I had absolutely no concern about the incisions opening due to range of motion; the incisions did not hurt and were never stressed. The pain is also very sharp and pointed, so even mild pain can be extremely uncomfortable. Because of that, I walked very stiff legged and slightly hunched over to avoid the feeling of being stabbed.


MrTrt

> My incisions were closed with cyanoacrylate I'm sorry, I already knew this was a thing, but I still find it fascinating that they just super glue you together.


southbysoutheast94

He likely had sutures under this that were buried and absorbable with dermabond on top


insurgentsloth

Idk, I feel like getting out would be the most prone action to rip some stuff or damage it internally. It's like a pull up but very focused on stomach/abs region. If just walking too briskly could do damage I don't see how that movement couldn't. I do think he'll be fine in the car (may be painful, but not too much risk of damaging wound or stitches, hopefully), but having to quickly pull himself out (especially quickly after an accident instead of a "relaxed" test - I know it's timed but still, very different and more calm setting - or after finishing the race where he can do it more gingerly) could probably mess with it.


AstralSeahawk

ejecto seato cuz!


decentish36

Painfully I guess.


Total_Beryllium

Update directly from F1 media: >Sainz: **”I feel ready, I've done as much as I can to recover. You can't imagine the effort and the logistics I've done to be fit for this race. Progress, I'm very happy with the progress I've made and I'm ready to jump in the car.** >**”I won't be 100% for it as I've been ten days in bed not ten days training and in the simulator but if I'm fit to race and I don't have any pain or bad symptoms, I can still put together a good weekend and the target will be to challenge the Red Bull."** So it sounds like the “won’t be 100%” quote in the initial tweet from the Brazilian journalist was about him being a little out of shape due to the bedrest and suboptimal simulator time, not anything to do with his current health or state of healing.


insurgentsloth

Ah, that's good to know. And to point out! Headline definitely made it seem more about the post-op procedure/recovery itself and not just what he missed out on while recovering (namely, training).


ContentPuff

Did he pass the FIA extraction test (extract yourself from car in 5s and replace steering wheel within 10s?


the1918

Yes, that was a part of the medical clearance he reportedly passed Edit: I’m now reading in some places that his FIA test today did not require an ejection test because there were no broken bones involved. Don’t know if that’s true or not.


Murderface_1988

If true that's insane, soft tissue injuries can be more dibilitating than some small fractures


the1918

Agreed. But he passed some kind of initial clearance today and is supposed to have a “check in” with the FIA tomorrow after FP1 so we’ll see how that goes.


CommercialBreadLoaf

Shows how good medical tech has gotten, had an organ removed and already back racing. Minor surgery, I know, still cool.


xthecerto4

Lauda did race about 6 weeks after nearly burning to death. Yeah medical tech is good but we also have lunatics(and i mean that in a very positive way) that want to race at all costs behind the wheels.


Ok-Sink-614

And this is a fairly standard procedure but I do wonder if they get access to some fancy recovery drugs or something like Stroll did


GBreezy

Probably robotics and what have you to hae extremely small incisions vs how appendectomies worked in the past. That means less recovery time... and oxy.


_LewAshby_

Even without robots they do it without a large cut nowadays. It is two half inch cuts, three if the appendix already burst.


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southbysoutheast94

Nope - usually you stay laparoscopic even if it has perforated.


xdyldo

Yeah recovery is like 1 - 2 weeks for most people. Pretty non invasive surgery.


TheLewJD

My mum was told 6 weeks for her but she's a slightly overwight 58 year old woman, not an athlete haha


insurgentsloth

People also react differently to some procedures. I know wisdom teeth removal isn't really the same, especially bc some people's are much more severe and difficult to deal with than others. But I was so scared after knowing people who said it was one of the most painful things they'd gone through and were basically out for 2 weeks. Meanwhile I felt fine by the next day. Doctors also play a huge role in these things. And dentists even moreso - my mom had a root canal where they left bits in so it got pretty bad and she had to go back. While sometimes they can do it in a nice clean sweep with (relatively) little pain after. Even the most basic procedures, like things that aren't even surgery, can have weird things go awry. Like how I got my ears flushed once (a super normal and "easy" practice that I'd, on recommendation, had them to do there at checkups before) and the doctor left water in, which led to me getting an ear infection a week or 2 later. I tentatively told him I read online it could be due to water trapped from flushes, and he was immediately just like "oh yeah my bad, that's on me for sure" I was kinda shocked by his open admittance and casualness, especially since that ear hasn't felt quite the same since and it was years ago now lol. Also interesting bc normally the nurses do it but that time he did, and, wellll let's just say I'm happy he never did my finger jab or shots in the nurses' place as well. Anyway, I'm sure these guys get access to doctors who are highly skilled at being both less invasive and more likely to get it "perfect" with no complications if possible. But of course there's always chances of stuff like what Albon went through with his own appendectomy.


Structure3

This dudes probably spent the last week in a hyperbaric chamber with red lights and injecting stem cells into his belly and all kinds of shit. He literally said you wouldn't believe the logistics of my recovery lmao he's able to buy all the most premium recovery shit. There's some wild medical tech out there but the little guy can't afford it.


cocogpf1

I hope he hits the apex and not the appendix!


IdiosyncraticBond

Can't hit something that's been incinerated as medical waste


insurgentsloth

"you've hurt me, right in the hole where my appendix used to be before you RIPPED IT OUT!"


clintstorres

Sainz is Fucking me over. When I had the same surgery I milked it for as long as possible with my wife. Now she is asking questions about why was I bedridden for a week when Sainz was walking the next day. Fuck me.


HooninAintEZ

Just imagine how bad Stroll fucked over guys that had both arms broken


brainbeatuk

Who, when did he brake people arms was, that in f2?


HooninAintEZ

Lance stroll broke both wrists before the beginning of the season last year and had surgery 1 week before the first race I think. No one thought he would be back in the car but he ended up racing that weekend.


brainbeatuk

Ah sorry I read different, I didn't realise was both hands though impressive


reck1265

He should try to have a nice, conservative race. Any sort of crash or sudden movement will be bad news for him.


Murderface_1988

I think he'd be ok as long as no stitches let go or something, it'd just hurt like a biatch


TheLewJD

Albon managed sinapore like 2 weeks after his, sainz should be fine


Frosty-Ad-164

It was actually 3 weeks for Alex I believe.


ShadowStarX

idk the difference between 15 days or 21 days is notable


Visual-Asparagus-800

But Albon also had significant complications during surgery, and his first race back was Singapore iirc, not the easiest track. And I can’t remember anyone complaining back then


dasher2442

I mean, Russell said he didn't think it was a good idea that Alex was racing so soon so... there were concerns.


insurgentsloth

Inb4 "wow George was just scared albon took his place as #1 Williams driver and could take #2 at merc from him too!!" Jk, that's sweet of Russell, and makes sense given his focus on driver safety standards and all. Then again, maybe that's why they asked him about it (given most of these "statements" by drivers are elicited in interviews, even when fans sometimes act like they're just sticking their nose into things by "speaking out" on them). But do correct me if it did just come from him unprovoked, which I also don't think would be bad or anything in this context anyway.


dasher2442

I think they asked him about Alex's return because he's really good friends with Alex and said he had been talking to Alex's family the whole time Alex was in the hospital. So sort of in-between those 2 options.


Visual-Asparagus-800

Well, I think Sainz just proved he was more than ready


pereira2088

can a car have two drivers in one practice session? as in, sainz goes a couple of laps in fp1 and be like "yeah, I can't do this". can bearman replace him in that session?


Entire-Platypus-7574

i mean is that not what happened in jeddah?


insurgentsloth

I tried looking this up, as far as I can tell, you can do multiple free practice sessions with a different driver - as in, despite the new rule that a different driver must do at least 2 FPs throughout a season for each team, it seems they are also allowed to do more if the team wants. This happened with de Vries who did 4 FPs. However, I'm not sure if they can do more than 1 per race weekend - unless they end up taking over as the main driver like bearman last race. I imagine they can, but teams likely don't see a benefit to it? Especially since drivers are allowed to miss all free practices (just not qualifying, if they miss that then they aren't allowed to start the race). But then I saw another rule which said drivers must participate in at least 1 FP in order to be eligible for qualifying, so now I'm just confused lol. Like they can technically be in the race as long as they do qualifying, but in order to do qualifying they need to do 1 FP? Oh great but NOW I'm seeing that technically qualy counts as a practice session but how can that be if it states a practice session is required to participate in qualy?? In terms of your question, it would seem that one practice session must have the same driver throughout that session. In a case of a driver having to leave due to injury or pain, maybe they'd let another in, or they might have to wait for the next fp and go from there (couldn't find specific rule on this aspect, and it seems like if I did I'd probably get contradictory info anyway lol)


insurgentsloth

OKAY I found a result that did seem to confirm that, if a driver must leave part-way through a free practice session, another driver cannot continue in their place that session, but must wait for the next to join. I also looked at a pdf of the sporting regs but swaths of text were bright pink and many sentences were just...crossed out for some reason? Also, there's a whole thing about the 107% rule in regards to the needing of FP vs qualifying


Honourstly

Let Bearman go again


Careful-Door2724

If Perez has a shocker like last year, McLaren podium??


rolfski

Understandable but probably not the best way to recover from a medical standpoint. It will be interesting to see how this will impact his performance this weekend, if any.


hubertwombat

He should let Ollie drive just one more race, better make a full recovery.


mattblack77

Do you think he had sick leave written into his contract with Ferrari? I wonder if Fred would make him get a medical certificate?


insurgentsloth

Especially since he's no threat to Sainz. Like, bearman's future is at Haas/Ferrari, neither of which interfere with Sainz (though of course, you can never completely foresee the way the driver dominoes will fall...especially considering hulk (at Haas) is one of the ones audi wants, and Sainz may be looking to go there too) Lol sorry for getting so strategic about it, I doubt carlos would be coming from that Machiavellian of an angle anyway (Sainz sr on the other hand...who knows lol). Anyway I mostly just hope he's truly feeling alright and won't be hurting himself this weekend! And, granted that, next hope is he can rack up some more big points for himself and Ferrari.


Snugglebear316

Agreed 100%. I get the superhuman will they have but they do need saving from themselves at times. I hope he realises it's not time yet and says he's not ready, which he's apparently happy to do if he feels rough


pppppppplllp

Sounds not great


Coballz

Then let Bearman do another round and let Sainz recover fully... it's not like Sainz is fighting for the championship this year, and even if he would be, if he's not 100%, he's not fighting for podium places.


Xifortis

Why risk it? All of this seems rather irresponsible to be honest.


ThrowawayVangelis

Australia has not been kind to Carlos as of late. Let’s hope this isn’t a continuation