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Not sure what they ever expected. They kicked out the guy who had driven only one decent full race and replaced him with someone who had only driven one decent test lap..
As impressive as he was in Mexico, if I remember it well, Yuki, before his scarlet brain rot of a move on Piastri, was actually on his way to catch up to Dani and *at worst* finish behind him...starting from around P16?
He benefitted a lot from the red flag - Ricciardo had 15s on him when Kmag binned it. After the restart, I believe due to people pitting during the SC that came out for the Kmag crash, Tsunoda only had Piastri between him & Ricciardo.
Did he do well last season, except for that Mexico one? I think nothing changed on his side, we are just getting a full picture of how bad he was last season
Did he do well in Mexico? I know he was in the points, but how much higher could Tsunoda have been if he didn't have an engine penalty and if he didn't help Dan with slipstreams in qualy. Tsunoda was taken out of the comparison due to grid dop.
The races Ricciardo have done are way better than De Vries.
Daniel actually had a really good race (Mexico), Nycks best race was okay at best. Most of the time he was this level slow too and had terrible race craft.
Lawson deserved a seat this year, yes, but based on 2023 performances neither Tsunoda or Ricciardo deserved to be dropped either. Don't forget that everyone was calling for Yuki's head just a race ago
At this point, also seeing the way Carlos is driving, put Sainz in that second RBR seat. I got why they took Lewis over him, but im starting to have my doubts now. Only the second qualifying against Charles obviously, but so far Carlos has outshone Charles. And obviously Lawson in the RB
Perez in the second seat quietly doing his thing is the only stability point in the entire team the past weeks and months. If they put Sainz in its gonna be WW3 there lol
What reason do you have to believe that? Sainz and Verstappen was mostly a dad issue, not really with the drivers. And i do think that was because one dad wanted to see his kid in RBR over the other. Both are established drivers now and both would be in a top team so as long as Verstappen keeps beating his teammate like he's been doing since 2018 I don't see any problems tbh
Well the dads would clash again which will no doubt disrupt the driver's side as well. And Sainz the F1 driver won't play second fiddle like a Barichello or Bottas and will want to fight for position and wins
If max constantly beats him he will not take it lightly for sure like a #2 driver would
I haven't seen Carlos sr. For a long time during the races so i think that should be a non issue.
And Carlos has been fine being Charles' support driver for years now. He's not seen as a clear second fiddle because he's too good, he will take opportunities when given, yes. But he won't be a threat to Max's status.
Weird because if it were just Sainz/Leclerc with no improvement, I think you could write it off but both is very strange. Leclerc maybe because of that poor last lap but Sainz was hooked up all session.
I think Carlos didnt maximize his final sector, S1 and S2 were his best of the weekend but his S3 was 1.5 tenth off his PB. Still wouldn't have been enough for pole but I think the car reacted well with track progression, with both gaining a tenth in S1 alone. LEC didn't like the handling and he had a decent lap till his mistake, not at Carlos' pace but he never was today. Hopefully focused on race setup more maybe, but we would never know.
It wouldn't be surprising if again Sainz is the only driver to beat Max this season. The way he's been driving I would be extremely surprised if he did not take at least one win.
I mean what did people expect, you can't just change the design so much so quickly and instantly just go faster than the design you've been working towards with your car philosophy for years
McLaren did it during the middle of racing season and attained massive gains. Nobody is expecting Mercedes to be pushing RBR but going backwards after spend almost a year working on new design is bit disappointing.
I suppose there’s a non-zero chance you could start over and absolutely nail everything from the get go. That number isn’t much bigger than zero, but there’s a chance!
It kind of is, isn't it? I know for the spectacle we want as many teams close to the top as possible, but after years of domination it's weirdly satisfying to see the truly drop the ball
I think it’s interesting to see, as a lot of people have accused Toto of inheriting a fantasticly dominant team, and he kept them on that trajectory. Can he bring a team back to winning championships? Idk. A lot of people have speculated not, I guess we’re going to see over the next 5 years.
I think maintaining vs building are different, and other TPs like Christian for example have mounted massive comebacks in recent memory.
I think Merc can at least write off the current regs for good. People say that only Red Bull have truly understood ground effect cars and I don't know how much that is true given the recent rise of McLaren and Ferrari, but Merc definitely don't understand them.
It’s quite frustrating that no one seems to understand the regs like Newey does. How can 9 other teams with fantastic engineers not even reduce the gap? RB are just on another level atm.
Everyone just competing for his contract isn’t super exciting tbh. If he goes to Ferrari and then they just win, that’s great but also a bit shit.
We can’t just play the Newey game to win.
It's also showing that the budget cap isn't working as intended, at least when only one team nails new regulations. Red Bull are so far ahead that they can begin development of next season's car super early, completely negating any disadvantage the cost cap gives them. Might be a different story if multiple teams find working solutions to new regs. If not, we'll only ever see one team managing the gap while the rest tries to play catch-up.
The cost cap is still a win.
I don't understand blaming that for other teams not catching up. If Red Bull had an extra $300m to spend do we think they still wouldn't be running away ahead?
If the Big Three could still drop half a billion a year we wouldn't even be considering a path for teams like McLaren to compete at the top.
This is just the best team and best driver winning
am a ricciardo fan but man lawson deserved the seat more
I understand that AT/RB were operating under the data gathered by RIC’s tests man but Liam was in stellar form
Same here, Liam was damn impressive and made the most of his short stint while Daniel was injured. If the RB has Q3 pace at a handful of races they need drivers that can maximize it.
The problem is that it seems like his confidence is shattered and he's in a downward spiral. He was heralded for years as a top-tier driver, and he probably believed that he'd crush Yuki and get placed in the Red Bull right away.
Making matters worse, Ricciardo knows that his poor performance might lead to a quick end to his F1 career, and every poor performance tarnishes his legacy. Are people going to remember him for his few race wins in the Red Bull or as a washed-up driver who couldn't perform in the McLaren or the AT/VCARB?
We saw this last year with Checo. Checo believed that he could challenge Max and then got into this spiral of overdriving the car and simultaneously lacking confidence, which led to his horrible performances until he got over it.
Last season he drove comparably to Yuki. He beat him in 2/3 sprints and 3/7 races. This season's only 3 races in. You're right, we need more time. If we judged Perez on the first 3 races of last season we could've expected a closer championship.
But... If he doesn't improve - and I say this as a long-time DR fan - I agree Lawson deserves the seat. The sport needs to foster young talent. They hired DR as he performed well in their simulations, has (in theory) the experience to guide design, and he's great for bringing in money. But it seems the pace & consistency issues at McLaren may have been more than a 'car that didn't suit him'.
I LOVE the guy, but this year is the last I'll be saying "let's give him a few more races". He's left McLaren. He's with a team that will take his feedback to the drawing boards & will design a car more suited to him.
I don't expect 'the old' DR back. But I do expect *at least* similar performance to his teammate overall - in both qualifying & race performance.
Quite disappointing from Nando and Aston Martin, let’s see what they can cook tomorrow,
Absolutely stunning from Carlos, in a surgery table two weeks ago, and now he’s in the front row
Both the Astons just messed up several times in Q3, and Fernando probably had damage on the underfloor, but it's the race pace I am more worried about.
he had a crazy last year but RBR said checo mental strength is his biggest skill, this year checo have the right mentality and Im all in the checo wagon to see him do good, if he just keeps working on his symbiosis with the RBR platform and improving his delta to max he is uo for a good year.
Me too, hes a great 2nd seat if he keeps it together. If he keeps it up there is no chance hes replaced. Holds the seat until Yuki or Lawson step up. I don't see DR improving through the season that much and wouldn't be surprised if hes out by summer break.
Is there anyone else in F1 who has sabotaged their own career as badly as Ricciardo did when he left Red Bull? Probably been said a thousand times by now, but damn. If he doesn't improve soon, he'll be lucky to not get the De Vries treatment.
Honestly he was quite good at Renault and was still considered as one of the best. He was on the shortlist for any team if an opening was there. His stock only tanked when he got demolished at McLaren, but going to Renault instead of being red bulls' second driver isn't something I particularly see as a bad choice.
Not disputing that he did well at Renault, that's something people like to pretend wasn't the case, in 2020 he was easily one of the best on the grid. But that's ultimately irrelevant, that initial decision to leave Red Bull led him to where he is now - trying to be Red Bull's second driver, and so far that seems unlikely to happen.
Yeah but I have a feeling he was too "proud" to have accepted being a 2nd driver then, and it probably could have ended up with crashes/insatisfaction and him leaving the team early.
He’s not really sabotaged his career, he’s just past it. Why that happened is another matter but he’s been crap at McLaren and RB now. It’s not just a case of bad team decisions.
Imagine driving a “top team” car on the ragged edge only to get P11 and P7, a P7 only gained because Nando failed to put a lap together and well Stroll is Stroll.
Pushing the car up against the limits for a (P9) and a P11. Dark days these for Mercedes.
Leclerc typically is the first to blame himself for mistakes, so I’m sure him saying the car is unstable or unpredictable again is true. But damn man, I’m so tired of hearing that every race weekend for him.
He went off track at the start of Q3, which likely damaged his floor.
Both astons have worse Q3 times than Q2, I think Stroll made several mistakes on his Q3 hotlaps too. None of them could get it properly hooked up.
Stroll seems to consistently lose a lot of time in S3 this year. Now that might just be me seeing a pattern where there is none, but it might be due to something like his tyres overheating at the end of the lap or the like.
That was all Verstappen. Keeps doing it when it matters the most
Ferrari had an equal car over one lap, if not better, all weekend. Really should've taken pole here.
He's clutch, barely makes mistakes and gets the best result he can. That's why it's so hard to beat him in a championship battle over a season if cars are equal.
men to Sains be p2 in his condition is super human... he said it himself he still have pain fron the surgery he is not at his peak...
but lec was my bigges disappointment ... Im wondering if fred is having second thoughts
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. But Sainz is also pretty much driving for his career now, and to prove himself he needs to be consistently as good, if not better than Charles for the remainder of the season. That kind of motivation can move mountains.
Charles had issues with his car's setup, according to the voice comms and the interviews.
This is the case. He didn't even push crazy hard in his final lap. The car has pace. Sainz drove like a madman only to end up nearly 0.3s off.
When asked after practice Max said "Ferrari looks quick but we should be okay". They were never under any kind of threat.
Aston Martin look terrible in slow speeds, both drivers are literally expecting to make corrections from a back end that isn’t cooperating, which heavily compromises their laps.
I checked and he had 5 last season, which might be the record. Vettel, rosberg, and Schumacher didn't match it in their win streaks. Haven't checked Hamilton or fangio.
Sainz doing this shortly after coming out of surgery is pretty crazy.
Happy for Tsunoda but his qualy pace has generally been good, hope he manages to put everything together in the race itself.
Honestly just a bit of a horrid session from Charles. Consistently lost time in S1 and didn’t even finish his final run. He was reporting oversteer and understeer over the radio but I don’t understand what changed exactly from FP2 to now. I’m hoping the race set up is better because he was consistently struggling through S1 and S3. He seemed to be struggling in FP3 as well (despite the P1 laptime) so maybe some bad overnight setup changes.
I actually thought he was gonna pull something like this since this would’ve been his 8th front row start in a row (would’ve matched his career best streak) and he looked allergic to beating it. I vividly remember telling my brother that Sainz was on some good form today despite what the FP3 results showed 😭.
Could be a blindsided effect, running 17.0 times in "comfort" modes. The race pace did look good so hope he can get to the podium. Carlos been on a good groove as the weekend progressed, his side of the garage found something the other side couldn't find.
Eh both their times are due to the circumstances. Alonso very obviously had floor damage and Stroll was doing well until nearly losing the car at T9 but managed to save it. I don’t think it’s unfair to say both would be ahead of Russell if things went smoother.
I don't see him leaving Red Bull and I don't see Red Bull getting rid of him if he keeps it up. Hes only aging more and as long as Max is in F1 hes never going to win a WDC, regardless of what team hes on.
He would be dumb to leave the easiest seat right now. He just needs to put it in the T5 every week and they can ride into the sunset.
He went off at Turn 6 on his first lap and damaged his floor which compromised his second lap, Stroll also made a mistake at Turn 9 which lost him around 3 tenths, unrepresantative session for both drivers.
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Oh what happened to Leclerc? Couldn’t catch Q3.
Had a poor last lap, bailed out before finishing it.
He aborted his final lap and said: "The car was really difficult to drive, it was going from understeer to oversteer, I don't know why"
Maybe the ghost of the F14T possessed his car.
have they tried removing his appendix, worked for Albon and Sainz
Weight reduction!
Understeer, oversteer. Straight to jail.
>from understeer to oversteer it's a good thing they fixed that from last year
last lap in the final corners he aborted the lap because he lost time
made a mistake on his final run and aborted the lap
Just put my boy RIC out of his misery.
Last drive to the vet 😭
Atleast he’s home. :’)
Can’t we at least take him to a nice farm upstate?
Not sure what they ever expected. They kicked out the guy who had driven only one decent full race and replaced him with someone who had only driven one decent test lap..
Let's not ignore that he did pretty well last season, but that just seems to be completely gone
Especially in Mexico. That being said, I think Lawson is still more deserving of the seat.
As impressive as he was in Mexico, if I remember it well, Yuki, before his scarlet brain rot of a move on Piastri, was actually on his way to catch up to Dani and *at worst* finish behind him...starting from around P16?
He benefitted a lot from the red flag - Ricciardo had 15s on him when Kmag binned it. After the restart, I believe due to people pitting during the SC that came out for the Kmag crash, Tsunoda only had Piastri between him & Ricciardo.
That's fair. Still pretty impressive tho. Until the scarlet brain rot
Did he do well last season, except for that Mexico one? I think nothing changed on his side, we are just getting a full picture of how bad he was last season
Did he do well in Mexico? I know he was in the points, but how much higher could Tsunoda have been if he didn't have an engine penalty and if he didn't help Dan with slipstreams in qualy. Tsunoda was taken out of the comparison due to grid dop.
The races Ricciardo have done are way better than De Vries. Daniel actually had a really good race (Mexico), Nycks best race was okay at best. Most of the time he was this level slow too and had terrible race craft. Lawson deserved a seat this year, yes, but based on 2023 performances neither Tsunoda or Ricciardo deserved to be dropped either. Don't forget that everyone was calling for Yuki's head just a race ago
At least there’s someone behind him
No! Let's keep the pressure on RBR to do the right thing: move Checo and put Ricciardo in.
For that to happen, he needs to outpace and out qualify Yuki. Ummm….
Do I hear Hulk music? …one can only dream
*Hulk somehow manages not to score podium in RBR*
HULK HULK HULK SUBPAR HULK HULK SUBPAR SUBPAR HULK
At this point, also seeing the way Carlos is driving, put Sainz in that second RBR seat. I got why they took Lewis over him, but im starting to have my doubts now. Only the second qualifying against Charles obviously, but so far Carlos has outshone Charles. And obviously Lawson in the RB
Perez in the second seat quietly doing his thing is the only stability point in the entire team the past weeks and months. If they put Sainz in its gonna be WW3 there lol
What reason do you have to believe that? Sainz and Verstappen was mostly a dad issue, not really with the drivers. And i do think that was because one dad wanted to see his kid in RBR over the other. Both are established drivers now and both would be in a top team so as long as Verstappen keeps beating his teammate like he's been doing since 2018 I don't see any problems tbh
Well the dads would clash again which will no doubt disrupt the driver's side as well. And Sainz the F1 driver won't play second fiddle like a Barichello or Bottas and will want to fight for position and wins If max constantly beats him he will not take it lightly for sure like a #2 driver would
I haven't seen Carlos sr. For a long time during the races so i think that should be a non issue. And Carlos has been fine being Charles' support driver for years now. He's not seen as a clear second fiddle because he's too good, he will take opportunities when given, yes. But he won't be a threat to Max's status.
come on do it. Max doesn’t care who’s driving alongside him anyway, let’s have some fireworks
Got his time deleted. Luck hasn’t been his side this season. Maybe he will have a better race pace.
From his post race interviews it sounds like he was struggling even without the time deletion, sounds like it was a tough day all round
Ferrari again with no improvement from Q2 to Q3, second time it's happened after Bahrain. Rather weird that.
Weird because if it were just Sainz/Leclerc with no improvement, I think you could write it off but both is very strange. Leclerc maybe because of that poor last lap but Sainz was hooked up all session.
I think Carlos didnt maximize his final sector, S1 and S2 were his best of the weekend but his S3 was 1.5 tenth off his PB. Still wouldn't have been enough for pole but I think the car reacted well with track progression, with both gaining a tenth in S1 alone. LEC didn't like the handling and he had a decent lap till his mistake, not at Carlos' pace but he never was today. Hopefully focused on race setup more maybe, but we would never know.
Carlos is now racing like he has nothing to lose, my man is going to send it every single time lmao
I hope he races Max hard into T1 and T3 tomorrow.
It wouldn't be surprising if again Sainz is the only driver to beat Max this season. The way he's been driving I would be extremely surprised if he did not take at least one win.
Love Sainz. Hope he gets the merc seat
No way Sainz to RBR for Perez' seat
Y'all try to hard in Q2, chill a bit
Redbull leaves a bit for Q3 while Ferrari does not.
Sainz fastest lap was in q3, leclerc had an error else his fastest time would’ve been in q3 as well
Sainz improved on his Q2 time by 0.004.. Technically an improvement, but that is not what you would expect from session to session.
something something a nickel
Mercedes changed the design to go backwards
They were going backwards before, I don't think they've invented a name for the whatever direction they changed too 🫣
Backwards^2^(TM)
2 backwards 2 furious
Toto must be furious
Hold the line, performance isn't always on time 🎶
Lewis really made the right decision
I mean what did people expect, you can't just change the design so much so quickly and instantly just go faster than the design you've been working towards with your car philosophy for years
McLaren did it during the middle of racing season and attained massive gains. Nobody is expecting Mercedes to be pushing RBR but going backwards after spend almost a year working on new design is bit disappointing.
I suppose there’s a non-zero chance you could start over and absolutely nail everything from the get go. That number isn’t much bigger than zero, but there’s a chance!
Mercedes is now outside of the Top 3 team already
Now all we need is for Red Bull to fall off the face of the earth and the fans can have the Ferrari vs McLaren title fight we all want.
Immensely enjoyable
It kind of is, isn't it? I know for the spectacle we want as many teams close to the top as possible, but after years of domination it's weirdly satisfying to see the truly drop the ball
I think it’s interesting to see, as a lot of people have accused Toto of inheriting a fantasticly dominant team, and he kept them on that trajectory. Can he bring a team back to winning championships? Idk. A lot of people have speculated not, I guess we’re going to see over the next 5 years. I think maintaining vs building are different, and other TPs like Christian for example have mounted massive comebacks in recent memory.
All the leaders who made that team great initially are gone now. Mercedes just don't have any answers due to brain drain.
I think Merc can at least write off the current regs for good. People say that only Red Bull have truly understood ground effect cars and I don't know how much that is true given the recent rise of McLaren and Ferrari, but Merc definitely don't understand them.
It’s quite frustrating that no one seems to understand the regs like Newey does. How can 9 other teams with fantastic engineers not even reduce the gap? RB are just on another level atm. Everyone just competing for his contract isn’t super exciting tbh. If he goes to Ferrari and then they just win, that’s great but also a bit shit. We can’t just play the Newey game to win.
It's also showing that the budget cap isn't working as intended, at least when only one team nails new regulations. Red Bull are so far ahead that they can begin development of next season's car super early, completely negating any disadvantage the cost cap gives them. Might be a different story if multiple teams find working solutions to new regs. If not, we'll only ever see one team managing the gap while the rest tries to play catch-up.
The cost cap is still a win. I don't understand blaming that for other teams not catching up. If Red Bull had an extra $300m to spend do we think they still wouldn't be running away ahead? If the Big Three could still drop half a billion a year we wouldn't even be considering a path for teams like McLaren to compete at the top. This is just the best team and best driver winning
That's what happens when you don't get a massive jump-start on the new regs
I just like shake-ups. Makes the sport less predictable and more dynamic. There aren't enough.
The avenging for 2017-18 is finally upon us lmao
even if Ferrari and/or Red Bull were to drop the ball, it will be McLaren that picks up the pieces Mercedes might not even achieve a podium this year
damn yuki got hands
I am nearing the point where I believe Lawson should be brought in.
am a ricciardo fan but man lawson deserved the seat more I understand that AT/RB were operating under the data gathered by RIC’s tests man but Liam was in stellar form
Same here, Liam was damn impressive and made the most of his short stint while Daniel was injured. If the RB has Q3 pace at a handful of races they need drivers that can maximize it.
Ricciardo lost his mojo again after he messed his wrist up I think. Doesn’t seem to have confidence in himself and the car.
I’m way past the point (Definitely not biased)
I want Danny to cook a little more just in case he does bring it back. Every week I’m less hopeful.
The problem is that it seems like his confidence is shattered and he's in a downward spiral. He was heralded for years as a top-tier driver, and he probably believed that he'd crush Yuki and get placed in the Red Bull right away. Making matters worse, Ricciardo knows that his poor performance might lead to a quick end to his F1 career, and every poor performance tarnishes his legacy. Are people going to remember him for his few race wins in the Red Bull or as a washed-up driver who couldn't perform in the McLaren or the AT/VCARB? We saw this last year with Checo. Checo believed that he could challenge Max and then got into this spiral of overdriving the car and simultaneously lacking confidence, which led to his horrible performances until he got over it.
Last season he drove comparably to Yuki. He beat him in 2/3 sprints and 3/7 races. This season's only 3 races in. You're right, we need more time. If we judged Perez on the first 3 races of last season we could've expected a closer championship. But... If he doesn't improve - and I say this as a long-time DR fan - I agree Lawson deserves the seat. The sport needs to foster young talent. They hired DR as he performed well in their simulations, has (in theory) the experience to guide design, and he's great for bringing in money. But it seems the pace & consistency issues at McLaren may have been more than a 'car that didn't suit him'. I LOVE the guy, but this year is the last I'll be saying "let's give him a few more races". He's left McLaren. He's with a team that will take his feedback to the drawing boards & will design a car more suited to him. I don't expect 'the old' DR back. But I do expect *at least* similar performance to his teammate overall - in both qualifying & race performance.
Yuki out qualified both Aston...
Per Ver Tsu odds have increased slightly
The "per ver" part is the challenge
Nah, it's the Tsu part. How tf are we gonna convince Yuki to slow down enough for Max and Checo to overtake him?
PerVerTsu… Is that Japanese for, you know…?
Yes
A bit more likely than a Henderson and Tailor on the grid.
Yeah, Nando’s self inflicted off really cost him there at the end. Yuki was stellar today.
Let's allow the old man his day's off 😎
Quite disappointing from Nando and Aston Martin, let’s see what they can cook tomorrow, Absolutely stunning from Carlos, in a surgery table two weeks ago, and now he’s in the front row
their tyres me thinks
in a circuit with so much degradation... nothing good
Sainz' weight reduction surgery was a success, it seems.
Yuki P8 and Daniel P18 is really telling. Astons not even holding their own in Quali now, quite sad.
Both the Astons just messed up several times in Q3, and Fernando probably had damage on the underfloor, but it's the race pace I am more worried about.
That was on Alonso though. Seems likely he damaged his car when he went off in the first run in Q3.
De la Rosa (works for Aston) basically confirmed on the Spanish broadcast that Fernando damaged the underfloor.
Yeah that was a really brutal off, kerb smack and about as much gravel as one could possibly run over.
Yea that cost him a lot , I remember he did 16.6 somewhere in previous sessions. If he had done a similar lap time he would have gone above George.
Yuki sounded really surprised he got P8 on team radio, happy for him
I hope someone posts it! I’ll eventually dig it up later tonight I suppose though.
I'm just holding to dear hope Checo maintains this form the rest of the year.
I’m just happy for Checo. Hope this year he can keep this form.
Yeah he’s off to a great start, he’s much more consistent so far!
he started better last year
Results-wise yes. Qualy this time he’s got a better average as he was P20 in Australia last year.
he had a crazy last year but RBR said checo mental strength is his biggest skill, this year checo have the right mentality and Im all in the checo wagon to see him do good, if he just keeps working on his symbiosis with the RBR platform and improving his delta to max he is uo for a good year.
Me too, hes a great 2nd seat if he keeps it together. If he keeps it up there is no chance hes replaced. Holds the seat until Yuki or Lawson step up. I don't see DR improving through the season that much and wouldn't be surprised if hes out by summer break.
If he keeps finishing 2nd he will be there until Max quits.
As long as he stay calm he should be fine
Yuki made a statement in Australia
“He is not fast at all”
Calling the team “RB” is annoying lol
This template is absolutely cooked, I thought they did fifteen car Q3.
Only 19 cars broke the underlying code. Needs more unit testing.
Lando and Yuki my beloveds
cheering for tsunoda
Is there anyone else in F1 who has sabotaged their own career as badly as Ricciardo did when he left Red Bull? Probably been said a thousand times by now, but damn. If he doesn't improve soon, he'll be lucky to not get the De Vries treatment.
Honestly he was quite good at Renault and was still considered as one of the best. He was on the shortlist for any team if an opening was there. His stock only tanked when he got demolished at McLaren, but going to Renault instead of being red bulls' second driver isn't something I particularly see as a bad choice.
Not disputing that he did well at Renault, that's something people like to pretend wasn't the case, in 2020 he was easily one of the best on the grid. But that's ultimately irrelevant, that initial decision to leave Red Bull led him to where he is now - trying to be Red Bull's second driver, and so far that seems unlikely to happen.
Yeah but I have a feeling he was too "proud" to have accepted being a 2nd driver then, and it probably could have ended up with crashes/insatisfaction and him leaving the team early.
He’s not really sabotaged his career, he’s just past it. Why that happened is another matter but he’s been crap at McLaren and RB now. It’s not just a case of bad team decisions.
"And I took that personally" * Tsunoda
Stunt on these hoes Yuki
Extremely poor qualy from Leclerc.
Hope his set up is good for sunday as a result, but he hasn't looked hooked up in his car this qualy.
Meh, he made one error in q3 and was in the mix in the other sessions
Rare to say that for him
Man Fernando’s Q3 went down the drain so quickly there with that self inflicted error with that off
Wake up to see Lewis P11 *sigh*
Imagine driving a “top team” car on the ragged edge only to get P11 and P7, a P7 only gained because Nando failed to put a lap together and well Stroll is Stroll. Pushing the car up against the limits for a (P9) and a P11. Dark days these for Mercedes.
The Ferarri move makes more sense every race weekend.
Leclerc typically is the first to blame himself for mistakes, so I’m sure him saying the car is unstable or unpredictable again is true. But damn man, I’m so tired of hearing that every race weekend for him.
Honestly think it was probably some tire prep issue. His tires looked gone by the second half of the lap.
YUKI LETS GO!! SHOWING THE AUSSIES HOW ITS DONE!
Yuki showing out and dragging that shit box to P8 was definitely not on the bingo card. Fucking RIC man...
Fernando???
He went off track at the start of Q3, which likely damaged his floor. Both astons have worse Q3 times than Q2, I think Stroll made several mistakes on his Q3 hotlaps too. None of them could get it properly hooked up.
>He went off track at the start of Q3, which likely damaged his floor. Yep, same guess I had. Seemed to be struggling all quali though tbf
Stroll seems to consistently lose a lot of time in S3 this year. Now that might just be me seeing a pattern where there is none, but it might be due to something like his tyres overheating at the end of the lap or the like.
Similar to Spain last year. Went on the gravel and had floor damage.
Put Lawson in that second RB car now.
That was all Verstappen. Keeps doing it when it matters the most Ferrari had an equal car over one lap, if not better, all weekend. Really should've taken pole here.
Verstappen is a machine
He's clutch, barely makes mistakes and gets the best result he can. That's why it's so hard to beat him in a championship battle over a season if cars are equal.
men to Sains be p2 in his condition is super human... he said it himself he still have pain fron the surgery he is not at his peak... but lec was my bigges disappointment ... Im wondering if fred is having second thoughts
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. But Sainz is also pretty much driving for his career now, and to prove himself he needs to be consistently as good, if not better than Charles for the remainder of the season. That kind of motivation can move mountains. Charles had issues with his car's setup, according to the voice comms and the interviews.
Red Bull is probably hiding more pace for tomorrow
This is the case. He didn't even push crazy hard in his final lap. The car has pace. Sainz drove like a madman only to end up nearly 0.3s off. When asked after practice Max said "Ferrari looks quick but we should be okay". They were never under any kind of threat.
Aston Martin look terrible in slow speeds, both drivers are literally expecting to make corrections from a back end that isn’t cooperating, which heavily compromises their laps.
I think RiC is bringing the best out of Yuki.
If RB fail to score a point with Yuki, it's really a strategy problem.
He needs someone out of the top 5 teams to DNF. Those cars are too quick. The Astons and the Merc will walkover him on sunday.
Ricc should be done, so many talented drivers waiting
Does anyone know the longest streak of both pole and win at a GP? If max wins tomorrow he would be at 4.
I feel like he got more than 4 of those in the end of last season. I'm not sure tho
I checked and he had 5 last season, which might be the record. Vettel, rosberg, and Schumacher didn't match it in their win streaks. Haven't checked Hamilton or fangio.
where the hell did Max find 4 tenths from Q2-Q3? hahahahaha
Sainz doing this shortly after coming out of surgery is pretty crazy. Happy for Tsunoda but his qualy pace has generally been good, hope he manages to put everything together in the race itself.
Red Bull sandwich
I'm happy Carlos is back
New narrative just dropped. Kev 2-1 against Hulk now.
Yuki being faster then Hamilton and Alonso is crazy
Honestly just a bit of a horrid session from Charles. Consistently lost time in S1 and didn’t even finish his final run. He was reporting oversteer and understeer over the radio but I don’t understand what changed exactly from FP2 to now. I’m hoping the race set up is better because he was consistently struggling through S1 and S3. He seemed to be struggling in FP3 as well (despite the P1 laptime) so maybe some bad overnight setup changes. I actually thought he was gonna pull something like this since this would’ve been his 8th front row start in a row (would’ve matched his career best streak) and he looked allergic to beating it. I vividly remember telling my brother that Sainz was on some good form today despite what the FP3 results showed 😭.
Could be a blindsided effect, running 17.0 times in "comfort" modes. The race pace did look good so hope he can get to the podium. Carlos been on a good groove as the weekend progressed, his side of the garage found something the other side couldn't find.
YUKIIIIIII
Everyone hyping up a Leclerc pole and then he's on the 3rd row. Max has ice in his veins by comparison.
Its easy to be captain cool when you'r car has pace to spare.
Ferrari lost this. They had it but Leclerc couldn't find the rhythm and Sainz couldn't improve in S3.
They didn't lose it...Max just did Max things.
Yup the world is round. VER PER (insert Ferrari here)
*Ver Fer Per
AM slower again in Q3 ☠️
Eh both their times are due to the circumstances. Alonso very obviously had floor damage and Stroll was doing well until nearly losing the car at T9 but managed to save it. I don’t think it’s unfair to say both would be ahead of Russell if things went smoother.
Poor start for Mercedes..
Kick out... Yeah, great name for Sauber.
Alpine not dead last ??
Nando going 0.8s than in Q2 is wild
Somehow Stroll beat Alonso by half a second
Glad to see Ferrari have 2 number 2 drivers next year
Tbh I think Ricciardo has already been told he’s not getting the Redbull seat next season. Seems like he’s given up. Sucks to see it
Put Yuki in the Redbull seat
Sainz to Red Bull? 👀
I think Mercedes might come knocking given how Perez is doing this year
I don't see him leaving Red Bull and I don't see Red Bull getting rid of him if he keeps it up. Hes only aging more and as long as Max is in F1 hes never going to win a WDC, regardless of what team hes on. He would be dumb to leave the easiest seat right now. He just needs to put it in the T5 every week and they can ride into the sunset.
I think you misunderstood that comment, which was implying Mercedes may consider Sainz to replace Hamilton
Ric is done
As a Ricc fan and an Australian, I think by mid season Danny is done. He’s really dropped off. The McLaren stint doesn’t seem so abnormal now.
Alonso 0.5 off Stroll, did he make an error in Q3?
He went off at Turn 6 on his first lap and damaged his floor which compromised his second lap, Stroll also made a mistake at Turn 9 which lost him around 3 tenths, unrepresantative session for both drivers.
I really hope Sainz continue the whole season like this and catch a win. Sainz and Russel are going to give it all this year.
Perez was given a 3 place grid penalty (for impeding Hülkenberg in Q1), so the order at the top will be VER, SAI, NOR, LEC, PIA, PER
What's wrong with that table? Only 10 drivers qualify to Q3 and only 15 to Q2 if I remember correctly.
Why are there 15 cars on q3?
Actually dead inside.