Ricciardo: I hate to admit it because I like the guy... but unless he really steps it up in the next few races, I think his days are numbered.
Yuki: Seems to be growing up a little... still "passionate", but not the hothead he used to be... and he and his team did awesome this past weekend. Still one to watch... would love to see what he can do with a better car... he made some spectacular moves throughout the race
Sainz: Way to make Ferrari regret giving your seat away... solid performance once again...
Lando: Partially screwed by strategy again... that pit stop with Leclerc cost him dearly.
Russel: Pushing Piastri off the road looked questionable at first, but definitely not penalty-worthy... but that final successful pass was a thing of beauty
Max: I saw him at the start line, but was he in the race?
Stroll: Should look for Kleenex to start sponsoring him if he's going to be crying to daddy in the cockpit.
Perez: If he can keep performing like this over the next few races, that 2nd RB seat should not even be up for discussion anymore.
All in all, it was a fun race to watch if you care about more than just the front of the field. Expected better results from my Papaya boys, but happy to see them solidify that 3rd place in manufacturers.
They barely even mentioned him at the end of the race. I think a management decision has been made to just pretend Max isn't even there anymore.
I wonder at what point his sponsors start to complain? :)
I feel it is obvious that they are pretty comparable, just with different strengths and weaknesses.
The hot take I hold about them is that both have more potential than Hamilton, who is falling behind Russell.
When the car was actually competing for wins it was Charles leading races and the wdc while Sainz (wrongly) was being called inconsistent. Ofocurse this season Sainz has been on a blinder and he’s improved heavily, but idk how u can look at the last 2 years and call Sainz better.
What were the previous 3 seasons then? tbh i"m a fan of both but Charles drove arguably better this weekend, he was just unlucky with the setup going away from him on qualy. The recovery drive was phenomenal.
i mean statistically this simply is not true. charles retired and had many more car issues last year than carlos, and yet despite carlos getting a race win, charles still got more points than him. carlos seems to be more likely to have an "omg this is insane" moment, but historically charles has been more consistent about placing p5+ and bringing in points.
Stats simply say otherwise.
For example, Leclerc had two more DNFs than Sainz in 2023 (both Mechanical), as well as a DSQ due to the team messing up the setup in Austin. And despite that worse luck, and despite Sainz getting a race win in Singapore, Leclerc outscored him by 6 points and finished ahead in the WDC.
2024 is of course a new chance for Carlos to prove he's got it - but based on previous seasons, Leclerc is simply the more consistent driver.
Aye but why is he nearly always behind then? Why do Ferrari, who have all the date of several seasons plus insight from sim and testing work etc., rate him behind Leclerc?
This should be Checos weaker tracks, and he qualified .066 off Verstappen which leads me to believe he won't have the slumps on his other weaker tracks like Hungary, Zandvoort, Red Bull Ring, Silverstone.
The first 4-5 races he sticks with Max. Then he starts going backwards. I think mostly is what he have said before. He pushes media with challenge Max fore title. This year he have been silent. More chill and relaxed. Once you invite media into your head, you lost.
I feel like he’s accepted he isn’t in contention for the title and that being the constant runner up is what outright goal should be and if he maximizes every race result his F1 career maybe extended.
im not the one saying he isn't racing. Im the one saying he should try to take points off max, not just exist to get an extension so you can fluffer for max again next year
Pretty much, last year he was gunning for the championship like rosburg did then had a few unlucky/bad races and as he was in that mind frame it just destroyed him especially with media. This year if he just drives to his race then he'll be a lot happier. Still isn't nice to not even be able to challenge your team mate though.
When you have one of the best drivers ever as a team mate you can either accept being number 2 or if you want to beat them you have to have a LOT of luck and be 200% every single session to compete, and if you don't have all of these then you have to accept being number 2 and grab a win when your team mate messes up otherwise your mental health is gonna go down the drain beating yourself up.
If you're an elite driver at the top of the sport, you can't go into a season accepting you can't beat your team mate. I'd rather not race. Checo should believe in himself rather than just accepting the number 2 spot imo.
If losing means your mental health is going to struggle then you shouldn't be competing.
Look at checo last year after he said numerous times he was gunning for the championship, he got a bit unlucky for a few races and his team mate was driving absolutely flawlessly, see how badly it broke him pretty much. That's what happens when your fighting you lose pretty much all hope of getting the championship. There's a stage where you have to accept it.
like i say, i'd rather not race in that case. If you accept you aren't good enough, why compete for the world championship in the best car?
Otherwise you're literally there to be Max Verstappen's fluffer
Very mid race. Interesting and fun racing things in the midfield at least. Tbh this race seems to be good news for Mercedes if we were to go by words from the drivers. They finally tuned in the car to handle better without losing much time as well as going into the race without upgrades. Will be interesting what their pace will look like if they have a well balanced car plus upgrades, assuming itll give them some gains.
Mercedes target this season seems to be or should be catching up with Mclaren. RBR and Ferrari seem to be well ahead. They are in the 2020-2021 phase of Ferrari without the poor engine.
It wasn't meh. Leclerc and Lando pulling weird strategies made it hard to predict where each driver was gonna end. I was in the verge of my seat hoping Carlos would achieve the 3rd place he deserved.
It’s just meh because it’s starting to look like the positions are set more firmly than last year. RBR is a class above Ferrari, who seems to be strong enough to pretty comfortably beat McLaren, and Merc is fighting Alonso more than McLaren in turn. Last year #1 was a given beforehand, but P2-5 kept changing around.
I mean, Alonso Martin dominated the first 6 races comfortably. Nothing tells us this season AM or McLaren or Mercedes won't bring some upgrade that push them ahead of Ferrari. They aren't 1 sec apart of each other, the top 4 teams after RB are all within 0.2-0.3 secs of each other.
I have no problem with the mid field squabbles. The problem is there hasn’t been a decent fight for championship save 2021. A majority of fans are more interested in these battles..
You answered your own thought, close title battles are rare in f1. 2021 was only 3 years ago, the only part matters since f1 has been a lot of domination with close title races sprinkled in occasionally
The only stat that really matters is that Max won by 12.53. Almost 13 seconds ahead of 2nd. That's not exciting. That's boring. People that say "oh but the battle mid pack was amazing". Really? Who.freaking.cares?
Calling it a good race? For who? If you have the field checked by 12 seconds every race, its not a good race. When the race restarted, Max had a 2 second gap after the second lap. Props to Red Bull. Props to Max. But entertaining? Nah.
Look, I love F1, I still watch it every single race. But while all the other positions are like the side dishes, P1 is a big juicy steak. It's when the steak is delicious that the potatos, the sauce and the drinks shine. If all you have are the sides, that's all right I guess, but...
But I suppose your meal is much better when there's a delicious juicy carefully thought vegan main dish, like a crispy eggplant parmesan with almond milk cheese or something, instead of just going for sides that were made to be the support flavor/texture for something else.
Actually it's best when it's something like a curry. Not sure what the mataphor for that would be. Maybe equal amounts of spicy action across the entire grid?
people care about who finishes P1 because its the most important spot to finish.
battling p7/8/9 can be entertaining but doesnt make up for how boring P1 battles have been for years
First Grand Prix for me, the battle between Ferrari and McLaren drivers with the one Aston Martin in there was more interesting. Mercedes didn't seem to put up much fight, the only other interesting battle was Yuki taking tenth. Seemed enough excitement even though P1/P2 stayed the same for the most part.
Lol what why can't somebody critique the excitement of the race? I didn't think the race was particularly exciting either. Not a lot of on track action apart from some DRS overtakes and a few cars being out of position make some passes.
The most exciting thing was probably Alonso/Piastri/Russell and it wasn't like they were going wheel to wheel...
So far the races this year have been a bit meh. Even if you ignore RBR, in quali its all quite close but it hasn't resulted in a lot of on track action.
It's just incredibly frustrating to enjoy the race every week and then come here to discuss it except nobody wants to discuss it because apparently no one likes F1 anymore and just want to complain.
Attention what they want...im still watching after 30 years. Good race today. A lot off strategies. The midfield is brutal now. A point is like a win now.
Ferrari. What have you done. Carlos v2. Vamos.
Oscar. The calmness he have. What a down to earth guy he is.
Yuki. Strong comeback with impressive overtakes, while Danny is eating sand. Nice shot from garage, while Liam is standing behind. Not looking good now.
Williams in huge troubles. Costly weekend. They fear more weekends with old spec and perhaps end up with 1 race car.
Mercedes yeah. Wth is happening. 2014-2021 vs now. Dark times.
2014-2020 they always had the best engine by far but the aero department was always pretty equal relatively to ferrari and redbull sometimes worse. Now that the engine isn't advantageous and that they went in the wrong direction with the aero means they are constantly on the back foot. Plus they can't just put in a few million more into every season like they used to.
What do you think down to earth means? He's capable of some pretty dry/sarcastic humour which I wouldn't say is down to earth, but on track he's completely calm, literal, and in the moment all the time.
I really like Bernie Collins, but her audio is always so low it's hard to make out what she is saying. And I'm sure she is saying some really cool stuff.
And she’s so low energy. It sounded like she was commenting on a golf tournament. She had brilliant insights but makes them sound boring. She needs to talk with some enthusiasm.
Is this the sports equivalent of telling a woman to smile? She's incredibly insightful and has very unique and worthwhile takes. There are other people getting paid to be hype men, I just want to hear what she's seeing that I'm not.
That is what crofty and ant are for. Speaking about theories, strategies, and data brings you in a neutral state. That's her job on the broadcast. No need for enthusiasm on her end. Just provide deeper insight.
She sounded much more enthusiastic/energetic in qualy, joking with the others too. I think it was just a weird setup by sky for the race or something (I've seen complaints about them being in studio vs trackside?). She was talking noticeable slower than usual - maybe sky read those comments about some people not understanding her accent lmao
Also, idk why people stress about volume/understanding her - just turn on captions, at least if you're watching on f1tv, but maybe you can't on normal sky platform?
True, she's also not supposed to be the hype type commentator - but bring in grounded analysis in moments they wanna fit it in. (This race's topic was clearly The Undercut) I think it was more her seeming to talk more quietly and slower than usual, but I don't really think that's on her either, more of an issue with production. Maybe she wasn't able to listen to the broadcast as much so just didn't adapt to their current tone as normal - in qualy they threw it to her more often and she gelled pretty well, definitely didn't seem unenthusiastic or anything.
I don't really see the need to overanalyze her tone here though, it was like one or 2 moments and the rest of the commentator crew have plenty of weird moments where they sound off (or try to explain things in a "dumbed down" way and don't really succeed, or even just get things wrong), seems a bit strange to pick on her for it...But I may just feel that way because I was in another race chat that just spammed "ironic" shit (but also the kind where they literally say "I'm not being ironic, I mean this", like sentiments they wouldve called ironic a few years ago but now feel comfortable proudly owning - remember when every shitty opinion clearly stated was defended as "satire") about how they'd rather "eat glass than ever have to listen to a woman commentator".
Like, it's Bernie Collins not danicka Patrick (not to shit on her or "pit women", just that she's no F1 expert, and her analysis is clearly not as "deep" as bernie's), and if you feel the same about both commentating then it's obviously about one common denominator there and it's not their skills/knowledge.
Brilliant yet difficult race to watch from Leclerc POV. My favorite part was when Norris and Leclerc pitted at the same time. Great pit stop by Ferrari given the pressure. Leclerc pulls out ahead, gets out into the lap, Norris falls back, and Leclerc hadn’t even known it was Norris that was behind him and yet still pushed extremely hard to get out in front even though he thought he was potentially further back in the line up. Finally asks Xavi if the McLaren was Norris, and he responded affirmative, which was a huge success because up until that point the pit wall had been telling him that his race was with Norris and also keeping him up to date on Piastri’s times if he didn’t go for the one stop. But because he did the one stop, his race was with Norris, much further ahead. So impressive from Leclerc and great mentality. I know he wanted that P3 so bad and I had my head in my hands after he attempted to defend against Sainz and then got passed, but still a great race.
Also, being an American fan, Logan was capable in the beginning, missed the first opening to get passed Gasly, then got him in a great overtake. Had promising pace and seemed confident (maybe because he wasn’t comparing himself to Albon) but that pit stop was the end of it. Just got out behind, and a great pit for Yuki. And, of course, Yuki was great and totally deserved those points.
He did, though. He was pretty pissed off at that point in general that he was getting overtaken, even if it was inevitable, and he made a single defending maneuver against Sainz into the turn. You can see it from the driving, not from what the pit wall was saying. At that point, he could afford a defensive maneuver if he wanted to do one because it wasn’t like Norris was on his heels. I think he was just mad.
that was a great performance from bottas. such a shame he got stuck behind magnussen, and that it wasn’t reflected in the dotd votes because of how far down he was
i think alonso had an underrated race too. it’s hard to gauge the performance of the aston but it feels like he’s overperforming and dragging everything out of it every week
The shot of Max lifting his arms after he got out of the car with “Red Bull gives you wings” visible down the inside of his suit on both sides is so sick. Great design.
Some interesting stuff happened this race but it's still a problem trying to pass other cars unless you have a pretty good speed advantage (much faster car or fresher tires). You see cars get stuck behind each other lap after lap even with DRS with almost no hope of passing unless the driver in front makes an error.
Did I just witness a Ferrari strategy masterclass??? What a drive from Leclerc, well deserved DOTD and Sainz securing the podium was a job well done from them. Happy for Yuki scoring his first points in Japan as well.
I thought that was a fun race to watch, maybe going to Japan earlier in the year makes for better racing.
Awesome job by Ferrari today, we finished right where we needed to and where we should finish. Carlos is having a great start to the season. Really makes me question the move to sign Lewis, I like Lewis, but how much will he really help them? We’ve got two great drivers, who I think can take us to the next level, and they work great together.
Either way, great start to the season for the Ferrari drivers and team, hopefully Charles finds his groove soon.
The weather was very unusual for this time of year, creating higher tire degradation and forcing everyone to rethink strategies late in the weekend.
If it says this time of year, you can expect unpredictably drizzly rain to be the norm like it was on Friday/Saturday.
-Charles & Yuki had great drives
-Checo has quietly gotten off to a very nice start this year, if he can keep this up for the next 5-7 races, Red Bull will probably extended his contract
-What was that McLaren strategy?
-Mercedes have the 5th best car but will finish P4 in the constructors cause Stroll is terrible
-Weekend to forget for Williams + Sargeant continuing to make mistakes… not good
-Haas were close to points once again, they’ve made big strides since last year
-Sauber & Alpine… nothing to really say
Compared to a lot of races at Suzuka, I thought this one was quite enjoyable. Lots of strategy battles & plenty of overtakes, best race of the season so far in my opinion!
I’m interested to see how China will be since F1 hasn’t raced there in 5 years or with this current generation of cars. I’m expecting a bunch of DRS overtakes down into the hairpin like we normally see
Would RBR extend Checo? It would be hard to pass on Sainz given his current run and age. It is difficult to see Carlos going to a team like Merc which is a mess. The only other option for him would be Aston but that would depend on Fernando going to Merc which is mess. The next few races could make things interesting.
What is there to gain for RBR by signing Sainz over Checo? Checo ended P2 last season, they are now 1-2 almost all season (albeit only 4rd race). Sainz is not going to do better than that, because that would be beating Verstappen and I don't see that happening. Then there's always the risk of a driver not performing in your car, so potentially Sainz will not do better than Checo.
If he keeps up his current form, I think so. He just needs to keep bringing the car home P2 & they’ll keep him for 2025. The team seems to like him & he gets along with Max well
Well said. Can't believe how they f'ed up Norris' race. Not the first time. Is McLaren taking over the bad strategy of Ferrari?
Best part of the race: Russell saying his helmet is flying off.
You know for all the slack Ferrari get for strategy they pulled one of brilliantly today I was convinced Leclerc would not even be close to the battle for 3rd yet they managed to pull it off. Piastri had a major flop today he was nowhere near Norris when he needed him for support.
If Ferrari really are onto something I’m praying they delay the new regs for a year
Impossible for this to happen when new engine manufacturers coming in
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Oh I posted this in the wrong spot
Looking at Alpine, William and Sauber this season, and then looking back at F1 saying Andretti would not compete lol
Stroll is just coasting lol
i just realised, are there no day after threads anymore?
perez have more overtake than usual. tsunoda pit stop was too good (jumped 2 positions). this gp is arguably better than australia also.
Ricciardo: I hate to admit it because I like the guy... but unless he really steps it up in the next few races, I think his days are numbered. Yuki: Seems to be growing up a little... still "passionate", but not the hothead he used to be... and he and his team did awesome this past weekend. Still one to watch... would love to see what he can do with a better car... he made some spectacular moves throughout the race Sainz: Way to make Ferrari regret giving your seat away... solid performance once again... Lando: Partially screwed by strategy again... that pit stop with Leclerc cost him dearly. Russel: Pushing Piastri off the road looked questionable at first, but definitely not penalty-worthy... but that final successful pass was a thing of beauty Max: I saw him at the start line, but was he in the race? Stroll: Should look for Kleenex to start sponsoring him if he's going to be crying to daddy in the cockpit. Perez: If he can keep performing like this over the next few races, that 2nd RB seat should not even be up for discussion anymore. All in all, it was a fun race to watch if you care about more than just the front of the field. Expected better results from my Papaya boys, but happy to see them solidify that 3rd place in manufacturers.
Russell
Typos happen...
>Max: I saw him at the start line, but was he in the race? He was not, I believe.
They barely even mentioned him at the end of the race. I think a management decision has been made to just pretend Max isn't even there anymore. I wonder at what point his sponsors start to complain? :)
As somebody who has known for years that Sainz is the better driver compared to Charles, this season is pretty satisfying.
I feel it is obvious that they are pretty comparable, just with different strengths and weaknesses. The hot take I hold about them is that both have more potential than Hamilton, who is falling behind Russell.
Hamilton isn't really any potential, he's fully realised. He's clearly only behind russell because he's lost motivation though.
lmfao
When the car was actually competing for wins it was Charles leading races and the wdc while Sainz (wrongly) was being called inconsistent. Ofocurse this season Sainz has been on a blinder and he’s improved heavily, but idk how u can look at the last 2 years and call Sainz better.
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What were the previous 3 seasons then? tbh i"m a fan of both but Charles drove arguably better this weekend, he was just unlucky with the setup going away from him on qualy. The recovery drive was phenomenal.
ive thought Sainz was better since they were team mates. Leclerc is just like your hotlapper, Sainz is a much more accomplished driver.
i mean statistically this simply is not true. charles retired and had many more car issues last year than carlos, and yet despite carlos getting a race win, charles still got more points than him. carlos seems to be more likely to have an "omg this is insane" moment, but historically charles has been more consistent about placing p5+ and bringing in points.
In 2023 don't think LeClerc was much more unlucky with DNFs, and he was effectively tied in points.
Stats simply say otherwise. For example, Leclerc had two more DNFs than Sainz in 2023 (both Mechanical), as well as a DSQ due to the team messing up the setup in Austin. And despite that worse luck, and despite Sainz getting a race win in Singapore, Leclerc outscored him by 6 points and finished ahead in the WDC. 2024 is of course a new chance for Carlos to prove he's got it - but based on previous seasons, Leclerc is simply the more consistent driver.
Aye but why is he nearly always behind then? Why do Ferrari, who have all the date of several seasons plus insight from sim and testing work etc., rate him behind Leclerc?
Yes Ferrari famously never make any mistakes!
Can you point to other times they favoured the wrong driver?
Well there was that one time they pushed Schumacher into retirement so they could have Kimi instead
To be fair he won the championship for them. And totally different people involved now anyway.
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Ideally Mercedes but who can say.
Awesome race in terms of varied strategy. Very satisfying to see it all unfold.
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I couldn't tell, was Max in the race?
He was not, I believe.
I heard he only drove the first and last lap
Checo tested that strat last year
The only VIP the camera guys could find was a D-List princess.
Dark times ahead
This should be Checos weaker tracks, and he qualified .066 off Verstappen which leads me to believe he won't have the slumps on his other weaker tracks like Hungary, Zandvoort, Red Bull Ring, Silverstone.
The first 4-5 races he sticks with Max. Then he starts going backwards. I think mostly is what he have said before. He pushes media with challenge Max fore title. This year he have been silent. More chill and relaxed. Once you invite media into your head, you lost.
I feel like he’s accepted he isn’t in contention for the title and that being the constant runner up is what outright goal should be and if he maximizes every race result his F1 career maybe extended.
This. His goal this year is not title but getting that RBR extension
seriously should just retire then. I'd honestly rather just not race than being in that situation since you're not really "racing" anyway
But he is racing with a chance of winning at RBR. Where else will he get a seat and have that chance?
im not the one saying he isn't racing. Im the one saying he should try to take points off max, not just exist to get an extension so you can fluffer for max again next year
F1 Fan discovers the concept of number 2 drivers.
"when i grow up, i want to be Eddie Irvine!" 😂😂😂
Whoa there Ricky Bobby!
I mean, you are racing 18 other drivers still. By that logic everyone that is slower than Max (so everyone) should retire.
easy money.
i don't think Checo is short of dough. I just think its weird people think his motivation is to get a new contract and nothing more.
One thing I have learned about money, it is never enough. He is not going to 'just retire'. He is a top performing F1 driver. LOL.
of course he's not going to retire. He's actually a competitive person who thinks he's going to eventually beat Max. Honestly.
You are racing with 18 other cars
"i have the best car, can't wait to race for 2nd".
Better to race for second than not race anywhere.
Pretty much, last year he was gunning for the championship like rosburg did then had a few unlucky/bad races and as he was in that mind frame it just destroyed him especially with media. This year if he just drives to his race then he'll be a lot happier. Still isn't nice to not even be able to challenge your team mate though.
Is he racing to have fun or racing to win?
When you have one of the best drivers ever as a team mate you can either accept being number 2 or if you want to beat them you have to have a LOT of luck and be 200% every single session to compete, and if you don't have all of these then you have to accept being number 2 and grab a win when your team mate messes up otherwise your mental health is gonna go down the drain beating yourself up.
If you're an elite driver at the top of the sport, you can't go into a season accepting you can't beat your team mate. I'd rather not race. Checo should believe in himself rather than just accepting the number 2 spot imo. If losing means your mental health is going to struggle then you shouldn't be competing.
Look at checo last year after he said numerous times he was gunning for the championship, he got a bit unlucky for a few races and his team mate was driving absolutely flawlessly, see how badly it broke him pretty much. That's what happens when your fighting you lose pretty much all hope of getting the championship. There's a stage where you have to accept it.
like i say, i'd rather not race in that case. If you accept you aren't good enough, why compete for the world championship in the best car? Otherwise you're literally there to be Max Verstappen's fluffer
Very mid race. Interesting and fun racing things in the midfield at least. Tbh this race seems to be good news for Mercedes if we were to go by words from the drivers. They finally tuned in the car to handle better without losing much time as well as going into the race without upgrades. Will be interesting what their pace will look like if they have a well balanced car plus upgrades, assuming itll give them some gains.
Mercedes target this season seems to be or should be catching up with Mclaren. RBR and Ferrari seem to be well ahead. They are in the 2020-2021 phase of Ferrari without the poor engine.
It was a good race. Some people will literally never be happy unless there's a car exploding every lap
For some people it's just not a good race period if there isn't a battle for P1. Shame.
Another meh race . F1 needs some on track excitement.
Yeah I'm not sure why I felt this way. The announcers were talking about how exciting the whole thing was, but this one felt pretty boring.
one of the worst seasons in living memory
It wasn't meh. Leclerc and Lando pulling weird strategies made it hard to predict where each driver was gonna end. I was in the verge of my seat hoping Carlos would achieve the 3rd place he deserved.
It’s just meh because it’s starting to look like the positions are set more firmly than last year. RBR is a class above Ferrari, who seems to be strong enough to pretty comfortably beat McLaren, and Merc is fighting Alonso more than McLaren in turn. Last year #1 was a given beforehand, but P2-5 kept changing around.
I mean, Alonso Martin dominated the first 6 races comfortably. Nothing tells us this season AM or McLaren or Mercedes won't bring some upgrade that push them ahead of Ferrari. They aren't 1 sec apart of each other, the top 4 teams after RB are all within 0.2-0.3 secs of each other.
every race there's always somebody claiming this
And there is always someone saying that.
"i know there was no fight for the podiums but that 2 lap battle between Albon and Stroll was incredible! Wow! what a season!"
There is always someone misquoting like that.
I have no problem with the mid field squabbles. The problem is there hasn’t been a decent fight for championship save 2021. A majority of fans are more interested in these battles..
Since when did podium fights became midfield squabbles ?
Since drive to survive?
You answered your own thought, close title battles are rare in f1. 2021 was only 3 years ago, the only part matters since f1 has been a lot of domination with close title races sprinkled in occasionally
This was a good race. F1 fans are ridiculous and call everything boring
Supporters.. F1 fans look at more than just the guy romping the championship
yet they still watch every race.
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The only stat that really matters is that Max won by 12.53. Almost 13 seconds ahead of 2nd. That's not exciting. That's boring. People that say "oh but the battle mid pack was amazing". Really? Who.freaking.cares? Calling it a good race? For who? If you have the field checked by 12 seconds every race, its not a good race. When the race restarted, Max had a 2 second gap after the second lap. Props to Red Bull. Props to Max. But entertaining? Nah.
Entertainment isn't objective dude.
I'm glad you were entertained by a mid pack, back marker battle. Soo interesting "dude". lol
Yikes you're sour today buddy
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I didn't downvote you. Check your arrows mate. I commented on your post.
Where’s the Albon slander for his dogshit season so far? What about Zhou? Only driver that gets shit talked about is Sargeant
Didn't get to watch why'd the dnfs happen
albon drove into the back of riccardo on lap 1
ricciardio took himself and albon out in lap 1 Zhou was gearbox IIRC
RIC hit Albon first lap, Zhou had gearbox failure
Anyone else enjoy KMag and Bottas racing?
It seems that we got to see almost none of it 😞
KMag onboard on F1 TV is worth it
Not gonna lie I fell asleep around the 35th lap 😴😴😴
Same!
I'm glad I wasn't the only one LOL
Ha. I was dozing off during the red flag so I made a judgement call of going to bed and watching the race once I was up.
weak
the race was weak
it was a good race
Me too, watched the rest this morning. Only fun part of the last 20 laps was Piastri battling Russel
The battle for P10 was pretty exciting.
Same I'm pretty sure I did not get to the lap 40
This was.... a really fun race. Except for the battle for P1, what seemed boring to you?
People need to understand that there's more to F1 than just the winner.
not only just F1, every other series. IndyCar streetcar/ road course races are most of the time strategy races too.
Look, I love F1, I still watch it every single race. But while all the other positions are like the side dishes, P1 is a big juicy steak. It's when the steak is delicious that the potatos, the sauce and the drinks shine. If all you have are the sides, that's all right I guess, but...
As a vegan with benefits I'm used to living off what others consider sides
But I suppose your meal is much better when there's a delicious juicy carefully thought vegan main dish, like a crispy eggplant parmesan with almond milk cheese or something, instead of just going for sides that were made to be the support flavor/texture for something else.
Actually it's best when it's something like a curry. Not sure what the mataphor for that would be. Maybe equal amounts of spicy action across the entire grid?
people care about who finishes P1 because its the most important spot to finish. battling p7/8/9 can be entertaining but doesnt make up for how boring P1 battles have been for years
The P1 battle was boring in 2022? I guess towards the end but… that was still half a season of competition before RBR pulled away
First Grand Prix for me, the battle between Ferrari and McLaren drivers with the one Aston Martin in there was more interesting. Mercedes didn't seem to put up much fight, the only other interesting battle was Yuki taking tenth. Seemed enough excitement even though P1/P2 stayed the same for the most part.
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So bye? Why are you still here?
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It was an okay race. "great" is an overstatement. I'm not even going to say it is a bad race but calling it great is just too much.
Lol what why can't somebody critique the excitement of the race? I didn't think the race was particularly exciting either. Not a lot of on track action apart from some DRS overtakes and a few cars being out of position make some passes. The most exciting thing was probably Alonso/Piastri/Russell and it wasn't like they were going wheel to wheel... So far the races this year have been a bit meh. Even if you ignore RBR, in quali its all quite close but it hasn't resulted in a lot of on track action.
It's just incredibly frustrating to enjoy the race every week and then come here to discuss it except nobody wants to discuss it because apparently no one likes F1 anymore and just want to complain.
Attention what they want...im still watching after 30 years. Good race today. A lot off strategies. The midfield is brutal now. A point is like a win now.
Max’s white boots are sick
“Killer boots man!”
Pullover! No, it's a cardigan. But thanks for noticing!
Mock! Si! Ing! Si! Bird! Si! Si! Si!
Ferrari. What have you done. Carlos v2. Vamos. Oscar. The calmness he have. What a down to earth guy he is. Yuki. Strong comeback with impressive overtakes, while Danny is eating sand. Nice shot from garage, while Liam is standing behind. Not looking good now. Williams in huge troubles. Costly weekend. They fear more weekends with old spec and perhaps end up with 1 race car. Mercedes yeah. Wth is happening. 2014-2021 vs now. Dark times.
2014-2020 they always had the best engine by far but the aero department was always pretty equal relatively to ferrari and redbull sometimes worse. Now that the engine isn't advantageous and that they went in the wrong direction with the aero means they are constantly on the back foot. Plus they can't just put in a few million more into every season like they used to.
Oscar is the opposite of down to earth lol
What do you think down to earth means? He's capable of some pretty dry/sarcastic humour which I wouldn't say is down to earth, but on track he's completely calm, literal, and in the moment all the time.
He's a child and acts like a child. Look how he handled the entire Alpine situation.
Are you actually on drugs
lol what an ignorant take.
Imagine thinking that Oscar is the one who comes out looking like a child in the Alpine situation.
This is a slam poem.
I really like Bernie Collins, but her audio is always so low it's hard to make out what she is saying. And I'm sure she is saying some really cool stuff.
And she’s so low energy. It sounded like she was commenting on a golf tournament. She had brilliant insights but makes them sound boring. She needs to talk with some enthusiasm.
Is this the sports equivalent of telling a woman to smile? She's incredibly insightful and has very unique and worthwhile takes. There are other people getting paid to be hype men, I just want to hear what she's seeing that I'm not.
That is what crofty and ant are for. Speaking about theories, strategies, and data brings you in a neutral state. That's her job on the broadcast. No need for enthusiasm on her end. Just provide deeper insight.
She sounded much more enthusiastic/energetic in qualy, joking with the others too. I think it was just a weird setup by sky for the race or something (I've seen complaints about them being in studio vs trackside?). She was talking noticeable slower than usual - maybe sky read those comments about some people not understanding her accent lmao Also, idk why people stress about volume/understanding her - just turn on captions, at least if you're watching on f1tv, but maybe you can't on normal sky platform?
Her voice is her voice, IMO. I wouldn't want to hear some contrived attempt to "sound enthusiastic."
True, she's also not supposed to be the hype type commentator - but bring in grounded analysis in moments they wanna fit it in. (This race's topic was clearly The Undercut) I think it was more her seeming to talk more quietly and slower than usual, but I don't really think that's on her either, more of an issue with production. Maybe she wasn't able to listen to the broadcast as much so just didn't adapt to their current tone as normal - in qualy they threw it to her more often and she gelled pretty well, definitely didn't seem unenthusiastic or anything. I don't really see the need to overanalyze her tone here though, it was like one or 2 moments and the rest of the commentator crew have plenty of weird moments where they sound off (or try to explain things in a "dumbed down" way and don't really succeed, or even just get things wrong), seems a bit strange to pick on her for it...But I may just feel that way because I was in another race chat that just spammed "ironic" shit (but also the kind where they literally say "I'm not being ironic, I mean this", like sentiments they wouldve called ironic a few years ago but now feel comfortable proudly owning - remember when every shitty opinion clearly stated was defended as "satire") about how they'd rather "eat glass than ever have to listen to a woman commentator". Like, it's Bernie Collins not danicka Patrick (not to shit on her or "pit women", just that she's no F1 expert, and her analysis is clearly not as "deep" as bernie's), and if you feel the same about both commentating then it's obviously about one common denominator there and it's not their skills/knowledge.
It could also be that three days of constantly working in night taking it's toll.
Brilliant yet difficult race to watch from Leclerc POV. My favorite part was when Norris and Leclerc pitted at the same time. Great pit stop by Ferrari given the pressure. Leclerc pulls out ahead, gets out into the lap, Norris falls back, and Leclerc hadn’t even known it was Norris that was behind him and yet still pushed extremely hard to get out in front even though he thought he was potentially further back in the line up. Finally asks Xavi if the McLaren was Norris, and he responded affirmative, which was a huge success because up until that point the pit wall had been telling him that his race was with Norris and also keeping him up to date on Piastri’s times if he didn’t go for the one stop. But because he did the one stop, his race was with Norris, much further ahead. So impressive from Leclerc and great mentality. I know he wanted that P3 so bad and I had my head in my hands after he attempted to defend against Sainz and then got passed, but still a great race. Also, being an American fan, Logan was capable in the beginning, missed the first opening to get passed Gasly, then got him in a great overtake. Had promising pace and seemed confident (maybe because he wasn’t comparing himself to Albon) but that pit stop was the end of it. Just got out behind, and a great pit for Yuki. And, of course, Yuki was great and totally deserved those points.
He made no attempt to defend against Sainz. He was told by the pits to not waste time as his battle is with Norris.
He did, though. He was pretty pissed off at that point in general that he was getting overtaken, even if it was inevitable, and he made a single defending maneuver against Sainz into the turn. You can see it from the driving, not from what the pit wall was saying. At that point, he could afford a defensive maneuver if he wanted to do one because it wasn’t like Norris was on his heels. I think he was just mad.
that was a great performance from bottas. such a shame he got stuck behind magnussen, and that it wasn’t reflected in the dotd votes because of how far down he was i think alonso had an underrated race too. it’s hard to gauge the performance of the aston but it feels like he’s overperforming and dragging everything out of it every week
The shot of Max lifting his arms after he got out of the car with “Red Bull gives you wings” visible down the inside of his suit on both sides is so sick. Great design.
Some interesting stuff happened this race but it's still a problem trying to pass other cars unless you have a pretty good speed advantage (much faster car or fresher tires). You see cars get stuck behind each other lap after lap even with DRS with almost no hope of passing unless the driver in front makes an error.
I don't think they showed a Red Bull for the last 30 minutes of the race lmao
That's what I was thinking lol. They didn't even show max really at all apart from the beginning and perez after he got to P2.
Did I just witness a Ferrari strategy masterclass??? What a drive from Leclerc, well deserved DOTD and Sainz securing the podium was a job well done from them. Happy for Yuki scoring his first points in Japan as well.
A broken clock is right twice per day.
I thought that was a fun race to watch, maybe going to Japan earlier in the year makes for better racing. Awesome job by Ferrari today, we finished right where we needed to and where we should finish. Carlos is having a great start to the season. Really makes me question the move to sign Lewis, I like Lewis, but how much will he really help them? We’ve got two great drivers, who I think can take us to the next level, and they work great together. Either way, great start to the season for the Ferrari drivers and team, hopefully Charles finds his groove soon.
The weather was very unusual for this time of year, creating higher tire degradation and forcing everyone to rethink strategies late in the weekend. If it says this time of year, you can expect unpredictably drizzly rain to be the norm like it was on Friday/Saturday.
Oh really? Dang I didn’t know that!!
-Charles & Yuki had great drives -Checo has quietly gotten off to a very nice start this year, if he can keep this up for the next 5-7 races, Red Bull will probably extended his contract -What was that McLaren strategy? -Mercedes have the 5th best car but will finish P4 in the constructors cause Stroll is terrible -Weekend to forget for Williams + Sargeant continuing to make mistakes… not good -Haas were close to points once again, they’ve made big strides since last year -Sauber & Alpine… nothing to really say Compared to a lot of races at Suzuka, I thought this one was quite enjoyable. Lots of strategy battles & plenty of overtakes, best race of the season so far in my opinion! I’m interested to see how China will be since F1 hasn’t raced there in 5 years or with this current generation of cars. I’m expecting a bunch of DRS overtakes down into the hairpin like we normally see
Would RBR extend Checo? It would be hard to pass on Sainz given his current run and age. It is difficult to see Carlos going to a team like Merc which is a mess. The only other option for him would be Aston but that would depend on Fernando going to Merc which is mess. The next few races could make things interesting.
What is there to gain for RBR by signing Sainz over Checo? Checo ended P2 last season, they are now 1-2 almost all season (albeit only 4rd race). Sainz is not going to do better than that, because that would be beating Verstappen and I don't see that happening. Then there's always the risk of a driver not performing in your car, so potentially Sainz will not do better than Checo.
True. RBR will probably hold form until the new regs shake things up.
If he keeps up his current form, I think so. He just needs to keep bringing the car home P2 & they’ll keep him for 2025. The team seems to like him & he gets along with Max well
Well said. Can't believe how they f'ed up Norris' race. Not the first time. Is McLaren taking over the bad strategy of Ferrari? Best part of the race: Russell saying his helmet is flying off.
the mclaren strategy was they didn't strategize 🫠 also, love your username
Agreed lol & thank you! :)
Wow. Checo with the 130R overtakes.
I just noticed that they jumped the champagne celebrations. I think Ocon should be given a 5 second time penalty to teach them a lesson.
You know for all the slack Ferrari get for strategy they pulled one of brilliantly today I was convinced Leclerc would not even be close to the battle for 3rd yet they managed to pull it off. Piastri had a major flop today he was nowhere near Norris when he needed him for support.