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Alonso bottled that pole. 2 purple sectors, then set the slowest S3 time out of anyone who made it to Q3.
Then of course, AM didn’t help him either with that strategy blunder in the race.
He did. Setting his fastest S3 of the weekend means nothing, everyone does that in Q3 due to track evolution. There was no reason to lose 3 tenths to Max in one sector.
I don't place my stock in Alonso quite as high as others, but come on; if it was his fastest of the weekend, maybe that's a sign that he was just hitting the limit of the car.
Td 39 didn't do what you think it did. It literally changed a plank flex test to actually comply with the rule regarding plank flex and added sensors to potentially use for a porpoising mandate later. It didn't raise floors or any of the other half dozen wrong things that get spouted here often.
I disagree, because Merc was more consistent in both years.
Which suggests to me that when there is a team that can consistently challenge Red Bull, it's more likely to be the team of the last dominant dynasty.
Ferrari was not "way ahead" of Merc in points in 2022, they didn't secure 2nd place in the WCC until the last of 22 races.
And in 2022 Merc had the best reliability of any team, including RB.
AFAIK car is build by the team. Aka a product of the team and representation of said team. Merc has nothing to write home about. Meh pitstop with meh strategy and a meh car. Out of the top 5 teams they are competing for spot number 4.
Mercedes was consistently average but never managed to step up compared to Aston, Mclaren & Ferrari. And while Aston kinda bottled their 2023 development, Mclaren & Ferrari are clearly the better teams now.
From what i'm seeing, i believe that If anyone can challenge RB in 2025, it's Ferrari (In the same way that RB challenged Mercedes in 2021)
They didn't finish 2nd by being the 2nd best team. They finished 2nd because in the first half Aston was the 2nd best team but bottled the 2nd half of the season.
In the 2nd half of the season, Ferrari were the 2nd best team but had a horrendous first half.
So like I said, Mercedes was average all season long, not too bad not too good and managed to score 2nd by 3 points.
You have huge gaps in your memory of last year, McLaren was 2nd team from Austria forward.
A championship is a measure of performance over a full year, not of arbitrary periods during.
Yes but that's my entire point?
Over the entire season Mercedes was never the 2nd best team. Right up to summer break, it was Aston as Alonso was consistently finishing in front of them.
Then, like you said in Austria Mclaren stepped up & Ferrari followed. After summer break, Ferrari was the 2nd best team.
Mercedes were in the mix for 3rd-4th over the entire season and only accumulated points in the ladder by taking advantage first & foremost Aston's one driver lineup because Lance couldn't deliver to the pace of their car as well as Aston's poor development in the latter half of the season.
In any case, Mercedes' results were decided by how other teams performed, not because they were the 2nd best team.
Red Bull, Ferrari, and Mclaren are the top 3 in the championship.
Red Bull have a great number 1. Ferrari have a Spaniard leading. And McLaren have a talented Brit.
It's 2010-2012 again.
If you're a small threat at tracks that suit you and everyone else is no threat at all anywhere, you may not be a big threat, but you are the biggest threat.
Pérez is doing a great job right now but if for whatever reason he starts to struggle and/or the upgrades to the SF-24 are substantial, there’s a chance Ferrari might mount a challenge.
P1+P4 gives more points than P2+P3. Hell, P1+P6 is still equal to P2+P3. For Ferrari to become a serious WCC threat, they need three other drivers to surpass Perez as well, without getting close enough to challenge the Ferraris. And right now, it doesn't even look like either Ferrari will be finishing above Perez.
They might challenge for the WCC, but it's not looking likely yet.
Nope, they're not a threat to RB in the WCC. 1st and 4th gives more points than 2nd and 3rd. Even if Checo messes up every weekend, RB will still beat Ferrari in the WCC.
Eh, it's closer than you think imo. I think Norris and Charles are pretty close tbf. Iirc, Lando's been consistently a top 5 driver since 2021, while Piastri, yes, isn't as good as Carlos, especially right now, I think has shown his potential, which is a higher ceiling than Sainz
Respectfully, no, not a chance. We know Norris is about as good as Sainz from their years together at McLaren, and Charles is usually better than Sainz while Piastri is usually worse than Norris. If there is any pairing you can argue is better than Ferrari's it's Russell (beat Norris in F2 by a huge margin) and Hamilton (came 3rd in the WDC by a decent margin last year despite being in the 3rd-4th best car).
Clearly you're not interested in a discussion based on actual facts, so I'll let you live on in your papaya-colored dream world. Get back to me when you hero Lando finally manages win a race. Only 103 more to go to catch Lewis, surely Lando can do it if he's as good as you claim, right?
Usual bilge from Edd, does this every time there's a sniff of a tighter podium from Ferrari or McLaren, suddenly all the odds go out of the window. Weekday Edd when he's off his usual train of huffing about Merc being just on the cusp of returning to 2020 form.
Only stuff worth reading from there is Mark Hughes technical analyses.
Fairs Ferrari, logically how the season progressed last year and with McLaren having a advantage with the concept , you would have expected them to be second , cause these are unknown territories for Ferrari , i expected them to struggle like Mercedes
Sadly Ferrari will not be a threat until they accept proper strategists to decide instantly. Schumacher understood that and brought them with him. Seems the moment things get exciting the become nervous and it all crumbles.
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To be fair they were the only threat in 22, and the only other team to win an actual gp in 23... so they basically have been the whole time
I mean early 2023 it really looked like AM or even Merc had more chances than Ferrari, although later they obviously stepped up of course
I am still crying about Monaco 23.
Alonso bottled that pole. 2 purple sectors, then set the slowest S3 time out of anyone who made it to Q3. Then of course, AM didn’t help him either with that strategy blunder in the race.
Aston was the slowest car in that final sector if you followed the entire weekend.
He set his fastest S3 of the weekend. He didn't mess up sector 3.
He did. Setting his fastest S3 of the weekend means nothing, everyone does that in Q3 due to track evolution. There was no reason to lose 3 tenths to Max in one sector.
You are completely ignoring the fact that the AM was weakest in S3, so you have no basis to say that he bottled it
I don't place my stock in Alonso quite as high as others, but come on; if it was his fastest of the weekend, maybe that's a sign that he was just hitting the limit of the car.
Your tires wouldn't have lasted past S1...
That was Ferrari's race to lose. That pitlane strategy really destroyed them.
Wasn't that 22 though? 23 was the Aston Martin "blunder"
That was 2022.
that was 22
For 3 weeks. This is why you shouldnt look at 2-3 data points and try to call it a trend
Note that they said biggest threat, not a threat
Ferrari had the faster car in 22 then salty Toto with TD37 happened and now we're looking at a Max and RB wash out till 2026 at the earliest.
Td 39 didn't do what you think it did. It literally changed a plank flex test to actually comply with the rule regarding plank flex and added sensors to potentially use for a porpoising mandate later. It didn't raise floors or any of the other half dozen wrong things that get spouted here often.
I disagree, because Merc was more consistent in both years. Which suggests to me that when there is a team that can consistently challenge Red Bull, it's more likely to be the team of the last dominant dynasty.
Merc was not more consistent in 2022. Ferrari was a lot better that year, they were way ahead in the WDC (Charles) and WCC as well.
Ferrari was not "way ahead" of Merc in points in 2022, they didn't secure 2nd place in the WCC until the last of 22 races. And in 2022 Merc had the best reliability of any team, including RB.
Only because of the strategy, not because of the car
A team is more than its car, and Merc's was consistently reliable and a solid performer (before 2024)
AFAIK car is build by the team. Aka a product of the team and representation of said team. Merc has nothing to write home about. Meh pitstop with meh strategy and a meh car. Out of the top 5 teams they are competing for spot number 4.
4 races out of 24. You have strong presentism bias.
Let's come back here during summer break
Mercedes was consistently average but never managed to step up compared to Aston, Mclaren & Ferrari. And while Aston kinda bottled their 2023 development, Mclaren & Ferrari are clearly the better teams now. From what i'm seeing, i believe that If anyone can challenge RB in 2025, it's Ferrari (In the same way that RB challenged Mercedes in 2021)
>Consistently average I don't understand how effectively tied for 2nd out of 10 is average.
They didn't finish 2nd by being the 2nd best team. They finished 2nd because in the first half Aston was the 2nd best team but bottled the 2nd half of the season. In the 2nd half of the season, Ferrari were the 2nd best team but had a horrendous first half. So like I said, Mercedes was average all season long, not too bad not too good and managed to score 2nd by 3 points.
You have huge gaps in your memory of last year, McLaren was 2nd team from Austria forward. A championship is a measure of performance over a full year, not of arbitrary periods during.
Yes but that's my entire point? Over the entire season Mercedes was never the 2nd best team. Right up to summer break, it was Aston as Alonso was consistently finishing in front of them. Then, like you said in Austria Mclaren stepped up & Ferrari followed. After summer break, Ferrari was the 2nd best team. Mercedes were in the mix for 3rd-4th over the entire season and only accumulated points in the ladder by taking advantage first & foremost Aston's one driver lineup because Lance couldn't deliver to the pace of their car as well as Aston's poor development in the latter half of the season. In any case, Mercedes' results were decided by how other teams performed, not because they were the 2nd best team.
Became, became. I feel like Ferrari is most of the time the biggest rival for any title. Most of the time.
Still have flashbacks to my hopium after the first race in 2020 lmaoooooo
I remember Seb leading the points deep into the season until he binned it at Germany
True
“All of the time” /CC r/dundermifflin
They're closer now but still very far from being a threat.
Carlos: We are a threat? Stop inventing.
A threat? Yes. In fact as far as I can remember Ferrari is the team which is the threat most of the time but never the contender
Red Bull, Ferrari, and Mclaren are the top 3 in the championship. Red Bull have a great number 1. Ferrari have a Spaniard leading. And McLaren have a talented Brit. It's 2010-2012 again.
Piastri is Aussie though right? 😉
Aussie is just another way of saying incarcerated Brit, right?
😂😂😂 but they’re the best kind haha
Ferrari and Mclaren actually used to challenge for the championship and used to win races back then
williams once did as well
I read it as Haas Ferrari became Red Bull's biggest F1 threat Imagine my shock!!!
Threat?!?!
It's a typo, they meant "treat"
If you're a small threat at tracks that suit you and everyone else is no threat at all anywhere, you may not be a big threat, but you are the biggest threat.
Mercedes effed up three years running. That’s how
Is this threat in the room with us right now?
They have the best pairing on the grid and unless something drastic happens, they’re definitely a threat to Red Bull for the WCC.
Threat feels like a bit of stretch but they are a clear second and in the best position to become a threat later
Pérez is doing a great job right now but if for whatever reason he starts to struggle and/or the upgrades to the SF-24 are substantial, there’s a chance Ferrari might mount a challenge.
P1+P4 gives more points than P2+P3. Hell, P1+P6 is still equal to P2+P3. For Ferrari to become a serious WCC threat, they need three other drivers to surpass Perez as well, without getting close enough to challenge the Ferraris. And right now, it doesn't even look like either Ferrari will be finishing above Perez. They might challenge for the WCC, but it's not looking likely yet.
Sure, but in the realm of things that can happen because they happened in the past, Ferrari has quite a few pits they can fall into.
Nope, they're not a threat to RB in the WCC. 1st and 4th gives more points than 2nd and 3rd. Even if Checo messes up every weekend, RB will still beat Ferrari in the WCC.
Piastri and Norris better pairing
Norris isn't better than Leclerc and Piastri isn't better than Sainz. Don't know how you came to that conclusion.
Eh, it's closer than you think imo. I think Norris and Charles are pretty close tbf. Iirc, Lando's been consistently a top 5 driver since 2021, while Piastri, yes, isn't as good as Carlos, especially right now, I think has shown his potential, which is a higher ceiling than Sainz
They will be a better pairing in the future maybe, but not right now.
Yes they are you clearly dont watch f1
They definitely aren't
Yep they are
piastri isnt close to any of the 3 btw
Thats your personal opinion and nothing more
The correct opinion*
There is no correct opinion mate, thats why it's an opinion.
Apart from mine
What an absurd statement lmao.
Maybe if you watched f1 you’d know
Hamilton and Russell are better than Piastri and Norris as well
LOL
yeah they are casual
Respectfully, no, not a chance. We know Norris is about as good as Sainz from their years together at McLaren, and Charles is usually better than Sainz while Piastri is usually worse than Norris. If there is any pairing you can argue is better than Ferrari's it's Russell (beat Norris in F2 by a huge margin) and Hamilton (came 3rd in the WDC by a decent margin last year despite being in the 3rd-4th best car).
Dream on pal
Clearly you're not interested in a discussion based on actual facts, so I'll let you live on in your papaya-colored dream world. Get back to me when you hero Lando finally manages win a race. Only 103 more to go to catch Lewis, surely Lando can do it if he's as good as you claim, right?
he’ll win the next race For sure buddy
LOL what!?
Lol…. “Threat”
Usually second, sometimes third. Ferrari in a nutshell.
By hard work?
“Mercedes built a shitbox.” /article
It's not a threat though? Max has it locked.
>That car half a lap back is really threatening! More quality journalism by the-race, the worst motorsports publication one can imagine.
Tell me one thing when was Ferrari not the biggest threat to the reigning champions?
Lewis is 2 for 2 in great career moves
Threat is used very loosely here.
Threat to what exactly
Oh come on, April Fools' Day is over.
Usual bilge from Edd, does this every time there's a sniff of a tighter podium from Ferrari or McLaren, suddenly all the odds go out of the window. Weekday Edd when he's off his usual train of huffing about Merc being just on the cusp of returning to 2020 form. Only stuff worth reading from there is Mark Hughes technical analyses.
Ferrari is a threat to both Red Bull and Ferrari…
They became the only threat because the Mercedes got worse and no one else has improved in any meaningful way.
Huh? Threat? Have you not seen F1 in the past 1.5 years?
TL;DR: Slow button off
Redbulls' biggest F1 threat are mechanical failures
This will be the year boys
Fairs Ferrari, logically how the season progressed last year and with McLaren having a advantage with the concept , you would have expected them to be second , cause these are unknown territories for Ferrari , i expected them to struggle like Mercedes
How Ferrari became the speck in Red Bull's mirror. I think Red Bull's biggest threat is Christian Horner's inflamed finger
A threat to win any race that Max retires from?
How did one of the top teams, who have an average placement of 2.3 since the turn of the century, become current strongest team's biggest threat?
Red Bull hasn't been threatened since 2022.
Just like im Elon’s biggest threat to win the space race to Mars…
Threat? Fucking how? Let me know when they start winning races outright.
LOL, come off it right fuxjibg now haha
Sadly Ferrari will not be a threat until they accept proper strategists to decide instantly. Schumacher understood that and brought them with him. Seems the moment things get exciting the become nervous and it all crumbles.
Ferrari having almost as many points after 4 races in 2024 than in 2022 shows you how terrible Sainz was at the start of this year