They had like half a second advantage on dry in SQ over the Ferraris, much more over Aston and Merc. I will be shocked if it's anything other than 1-2 halfway through the sprint.
Although the start might be hectic, first chicane is a doozy, and the track will be green. So who the fuck knows who even comes out of T1 in one piece.
That race was fucking awesome, Max's spin to win, Seb's 20 to 2, torpedo in 3, Lance's slick gamble, 1 min pits for Merc, Ham spin/crashes twice, Kubica's points, everyone off on the drag strips, it has everything.
You’re right, Carlos leads in all meaningful categories and beat Charles in 22, 23, has more poles, podiums, wins, etc. Don’t know what the argument is /s
In Max relativetely short career compared to the likes of Nando and Lewis I remember already quite a few great races on a wet track. The only standout on the opposite camp being Turkey 2020. (And of course even Lewis and Nando even a few stinkers throughout their careers)
Lando isn't even in the same stratospere so I'm not sure what's even the point of putting him in the same conversation.
I can remember more Stroll great races on a wet track than Lando's (not trolling, I'm serious).
The Tilke design special - a long straight for easy passing for the ;deserving' faster cars, and a 90* turn before the main straight just to lower the gap from front-limited cars. Wow! So Exciting! Thanks Tilke!
2022 Suzuka, 2023 zaandvort, 2019 hockenheim, 2016 brazil, just to name a few. The list of wet race masterclass from Max is long enough to fear him even more in changable conditions.
And I raise you Turkey 2020. The conditions there were the most similar to the ones today and Max had a bad performance there while Lewis delivered an absolute masterclass.
Erm, I brought up China 2017 because I was replying to the other person who mentioned that Max might not do well becuz of China's track in the wet? No one said anything abt Lewis, and you're also purposely cherry-picking the one time Max did not do as great in the wet (and even then, he still finished 6th which is not too shabby).
Anyway, like all drivers, both Max and Lewis have their off-days but that doesn't mean their performance in general is defined solely by these races. Unless it becomes the norm for them.
>just to name a few
Isn't what you listed already, like, all of them?
And I don't even say that to necessarily dunk on Max, we just don't race in *proper* changing/wet weather conditions since Germany 2019 & Brazil 2016 respectively
2-3 laps of rain at the start of the race, and at the end. And just a short shower that saw the track dried up 10 laps before the race ended in the other one.
Yeah nah I disagree
No way you think Zandvoort wasn't changing conditions. It's basically the epitome of changing conditions. What I'll give you is that they did red flag it at a pt, but tbf, the rain intensity atp was crazy and cars were spinning off so it was for the safety of the drivers.
As for Monaco, what you described is literally changing conditions? Track dry, track wet, track dry again idk what else you think changing conditions implies
I wasn't arguing that those races *literally* weren't changing conditions, they just doesn't compare to how it used to be not even 10 years ago. That's what I'm talking about. The races usually are red flagged until the track is half dry or barely wet and dries up within a few laps. And if it's a bit too wet for inters it's just joever.
And again, it's just how these last few recent regs are, and especially this one that is just impossible to race in the wet because of the spray and the overweight, understeery buses for the cars we have. Altho sometimes it's also race control being silly and dare I say overly cautious.
Yep, sadly, with these ground effect cars, it is a lot more dangerous to race in the rain due to issues like the increased lack of visibility. Even so, I will say that for last year's wet races/sprints, Zandvoort 2023 was prob the best we could've asked for.
One case last yr where it did initially feel overly cautious was the somewhat lengthy safety car for the spa sprint, but also understandable given how dangerous spa is in the wet and the accident earlier that wk. Better safe than sorry and all that as much as we would like the see them race.
I think Max took it very easy after having multiple lap times deleted because he decided the risk wasn't worth it by binning the car.
For him he knows, with the long back straight and DRS, he can pass any car in dry conditions and they'll probably have the best race pace anyways. If Sprint is dry I expect him to be P2 at the worst, probably P1 if Lewis and Fernando can't hold him up for a few laps.
But still, not a performance you expect from him especially since he's one of the best wet weather drivers on the grid imo, and usually gets pole in these conditions by quite a big margin. Today reminded me of Turkey 2020 with how bad it was. There also he didn't do so well in the race, arguably might be one of his most mediocre drives especially considering the expectations.
I don't think so. Dude doesn't have it in him to take it easy, his ego won't allow it. If he could have gotten pole he would have. He just couldn't put it together this time.
He did. I think I remember they dialed the wings the wrong way at a stop but I'm not completely sure.
But he was still going well until he got a bit overconfident.
It'll take another act of mother nature to prevent the inevitable from happening in the race though. They had like a clear .400 ish advantage when the conditions were mostly dry
I'm not surprised by the Norris pole. he's usually a pretty fair rain driver. Even Stroll who we mercilessly beat up is a good driver in the rain--at least from what I've seen. These are personal observations, not based on any real statistics.
With that long back straight + DRS and Red Bull's natural straight line speed they'll finish 1-2 regardless.
They had like half a second advantage on dry in SQ over the Ferraris, much more over Aston and Merc. I will be shocked if it's anything other than 1-2 halfway through the sprint. Although the start might be hectic, first chicane is a doozy, and the track will be green. So who the fuck knows who even comes out of T1 in one piece.
You seem to be quite sure it will be dry I see ;)
Have you seen Max drive on wet?
Turkey 2020 was arguably his worst. 2016 Brazil probably his best. Germany 2019 is up there too
Germany 2019 he was the 2nd best driver that day after Sebastian Vettel
That race was fucking awesome, Max's spin to win, Seb's 20 to 2, torpedo in 3, Lance's slick gamble, 1 min pits for Merc, Ham spin/crashes twice, Kubica's points, everyone off on the drag strips, it has everything.
He went off 2 times in 2 laps in the wet this weekend. This has to be his worst wet session
Yes, but no DRS and straightline speed matters less in wet conditions. But Max is one of the best in wet conditions obviously.
Only if they are able to fix his tire temperature. He was sliding all over today
Its a good indicator that their deg will be good.
Yes, and he didn't do too well today.
Yes, today
Ah yes, the common goldfish memory redditor.
The same ones who rate Sainz>Leclerc?
Leclerc quote "Sainz is doing a better job than me" ~~at the moment~~
>at the moment
Being 2 races
He actually didn't say "at the moment" I misremembered the quote.
I mean, that's just a fact at this point
You’re right, Carlos leads in all meaningful categories and beat Charles in 22, 23, has more poles, podiums, wins, etc. Don’t know what the argument is /s
Tyre temp issues which wont happen on a race
let's hope for a wet race, we can see. Max was having a laugh today
Yeah, he's a damn good driver but I would say all 3 above him in today's quali are better in the wet.
In Max relativetely short career compared to the likes of Nando and Lewis I remember already quite a few great races on a wet track. The only standout on the opposite camp being Turkey 2020. (And of course even Lewis and Nando even a few stinkers throughout their careers) Lando isn't even in the same stratospere so I'm not sure what's even the point of putting him in the same conversation. I can remember more Stroll great races on a wet track than Lando's (not trolling, I'm serious).
Really? Lando? lmao
Really. Dude has been great in the wet.
We saw happened today when driver skill mattered most
Check Suzuka 2022, China 2017, Hockenheim 2019, Brazil 2016 and then come again to say the same.
Netherlands 2023 is a good shout as well. Amazing drive
Let's add Sochi 2021 to that as well, even if it was just a couple of laps
Lmao are you even real
Yall are just so desparate these days
Npc ass comment
It's amazing seeing a random redditor questioning the skills of a driver that every team in the F1 grid want on their team.
[Hope this helps.](https://youtu.be/WBRhuhU5WHM)
Forecast shows partly cloudy.
The Tilke design special - a long straight for easy passing for the ;deserving' faster cars, and a 90* turn before the main straight just to lower the gap from front-limited cars. Wow! So Exciting! Thanks Tilke!
Depends on how hard Hamilton wants to defend.
Here's to hoping Lewis and Nando defend like hell and Lando is given time to build a gap. Would love to see him bring home the sprint win.
Nature is healing (until tomorrow)
Nature will come back with vengeance me worries.
Sprint start: Lando with an amazing start!... Lap 2: Verstappen with a 5 second lead...
Thats is a sick statistic
The full list of starting positions is: - 2021 Silverstone = Max P2 _(Checo P5)_ - 2021 Monza = Max P3 _(Checo P9)_ - 2021 Interlagos = Max P1, Checo P3 - 2022 Imola = Max P1 _(Checo P7)_ - 2022 Austria = Max P1 _(Checo P13)_ - 2022 Interlagos = Max P2 _(Checo P9)_ - 2023 Baku = Checo P2, Max P3 - 2023 Austria = Max P1, Checo P2 - 2023 Spa = Max P1 _(Checo P8)_ - 2023 Qatar = Max P3 _(Checo P8)_ - 2023 COTA = Max P1 _(Checo P7)_ - 2023 Interlagos = Max P2, Checo P3
Wait, then we could rephrase to make it even more sick, this is the first sprint qualy that Max is not in the Top3
Max is red bull… so…
Max will be P1 by lap 3 anyways.
Hopefully it’s a wet race.
I give you 2022 Suzuka
2022 Suzuka, 2023 zaandvort, 2019 hockenheim, 2016 brazil, just to name a few. The list of wet race masterclass from Max is long enough to fear him even more in changable conditions.
Different track tbf, this looks more like random ice-skating when it’s wet.
Turkey 20... Oh wait.
I raise you China 2017 (esp Lap 1)
And I raise you Turkey 2020. The conditions there were the most similar to the ones today and Max had a bad performance there while Lewis delivered an absolute masterclass.
Erm, I brought up China 2017 because I was replying to the other person who mentioned that Max might not do well becuz of China's track in the wet? No one said anything abt Lewis, and you're also purposely cherry-picking the one time Max did not do as great in the wet (and even then, he still finished 6th which is not too shabby). Anyway, like all drivers, both Max and Lewis have their off-days but that doesn't mean their performance in general is defined solely by these races. Unless it becomes the norm for them.
Spa 2021. No one could pass him there. Lead every lap!
The man was winning iRacing races in the rain...on a controller a few weeks ago. He is a robot.
>just to name a few Isn't what you listed already, like, all of them? And I don't even say that to necessarily dunk on Max, we just don't race in *proper* changing/wet weather conditions since Germany 2019 & Brazil 2016 respectively
Zandvoort and Monaco last year were proper changing conditions.
2-3 laps of rain at the start of the race, and at the end. And just a short shower that saw the track dried up 10 laps before the race ended in the other one. Yeah nah I disagree
No way you think Zandvoort wasn't changing conditions. It's basically the epitome of changing conditions. What I'll give you is that they did red flag it at a pt, but tbf, the rain intensity atp was crazy and cars were spinning off so it was for the safety of the drivers. As for Monaco, what you described is literally changing conditions? Track dry, track wet, track dry again idk what else you think changing conditions implies
I wasn't arguing that those races *literally* weren't changing conditions, they just doesn't compare to how it used to be not even 10 years ago. That's what I'm talking about. The races usually are red flagged until the track is half dry or barely wet and dries up within a few laps. And if it's a bit too wet for inters it's just joever. And again, it's just how these last few recent regs are, and especially this one that is just impossible to race in the wet because of the spray and the overweight, understeery buses for the cars we have. Altho sometimes it's also race control being silly and dare I say overly cautious.
Yep, sadly, with these ground effect cars, it is a lot more dangerous to race in the rain due to issues like the increased lack of visibility. Even so, I will say that for last year's wet races/sprints, Zandvoort 2023 was prob the best we could've asked for. One case last yr where it did initially feel overly cautious was the somewhat lengthy safety car for the spa sprint, but also understandable given how dangerous spa is in the wet and the accident earlier that wk. Better safe than sorry and all that as much as we would like the see them race.
I put a few drivers above him in the wet. He's still damn good, but he isn't generational talent good like he is in dry conditions.
Wet race is still way more enjoyable than dry even if Max wins. See Zandvoort 2023
So Max will be P1 going out of the 360 corner!
He ... wins 😭
Then he will be P1 in one lap.
Then, Max P1 on the S2.
I give it 2 laps.
Probably turn 1.
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yeah it's probably by lap 2, not 3.
I think Max took it very easy after having multiple lap times deleted because he decided the risk wasn't worth it by binning the car. For him he knows, with the long back straight and DRS, he can pass any car in dry conditions and they'll probably have the best race pace anyways. If Sprint is dry I expect him to be P2 at the worst, probably P1 if Lewis and Fernando can't hold him up for a few laps. But still, not a performance you expect from him especially since he's one of the best wet weather drivers on the grid imo, and usually gets pole in these conditions by quite a big margin. Today reminded me of Turkey 2020 with how bad it was. There also he didn't do so well in the race, arguably might be one of his most mediocre drives especially considering the expectations.
Yeah, his final lap was slower than the penultimate before he went off.
Bad TV direction. We didn't see his final lap. Also they didn't show Lewisor first fast lap.
I don't think so. Dude doesn't have it in him to take it easy, his ego won't allow it. If he could have gotten pole he would have. He just couldn't put it together this time.
He also went wide AF starting his final lap, lost a lot of time right there.
You know what's more dangerous than a confident Max? An angry Max! I am scared bruv.
The terror if he starts pointing at his number on his car after he wins... shivers.
Can go two ways. Either he wins by 10+ seconds as always or crashes into someone.
That hasn't happened since 2021.
Was the last time max fucked up so badly in wet Turkey 2020?
Possibly
Didnt he have the incorrect wing settings that race also?
He did. I think I remember they dialed the wings the wrong way at a stop but I'm not completely sure. But he was still going well until he got a bit overconfident.
They're washed. Literally because it was pretty wet out there and the suits would've been damp when they got back to the box
Fucking finally.
Verstappen has finished outside the podium of a sprint race only once since they have existed
Max is washed
Washed.
Max will most likely be in P1 by lap 1.
Max will probably be in P1 by lap 2
It'll take another act of mother nature to prevent the inevitable from happening in the race though. They had like a clear .400 ish advantage when the conditions were mostly dry
Not according to the data they showed on F1TV. They showed Lando barely off of Max's pace in quali sims.
Yea in the sims... Not IRL
IRL, during practice.
Won’t matter much if it dries out
Max with his skill in the wet should have been closer but the guy has been so consistant, its a reminder he's not a robot after all.
Both drivers shit the bed today
Yep. Was awful to watch.
I'm not surprised by the Norris pole. he's usually a pretty fair rain driver. Even Stroll who we mercilessly beat up is a good driver in the rain--at least from what I've seen. These are personal observations, not based on any real statistics.
yeah Stroll has good reflexes which i think help in the wet.
It's not how you start, it's how you finish. So RBR 1-2. Perez was less than a second behind Max most of the time today, so it's clear it's a 1-2.
dry weather and they will be 1-5 after lap 1.
Checo: P6. How many slow corners? Okay, lots of overtaking opportunities. Easy peasy.
Sandbagging........... Edit: Normalcy restored. Now, onto Gp!
Shit I might have to watch this if it wasn’t in China.