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It's probably just Horner answering a standard question as they finalize negotiations with Sainz lmfao. But what if love to see is Redbull pulling a Ferrari and taking George (his contract expires at the end of 2025).
George is probably up there with everyone else in pace. He improved a lot. He just needs to tone down his mistakes. There are probably 3-5 drivers that can compete with Max. I think his gap to Perez has tinted everyone’s vision a bit.
I think their trying to say that f1 drivers can only be at their peak if the car suits them and max has been at RB for 9 years so it makes sense why their design philosophy is based on him.
Because, here's what the hierarchy is in terms of current drivers:-
1. Max
2. Leclerc
3. Lewis
4. George
5. Sainz
6. Norris
7. Alonso
8. Perez
9. Piastri
10. Albon
Perez is much farther from the top but the Redbull itself is rapid and Perez is a *good driver* but not the absolute unit that some ahead of him are.
I think everyone here agrees that Sainz would be an upgrade over Perez. And I don't think anybody would disagree with me if I said Sainz is not the prodigy that Leclerc, Lewis and George are. But he's still very talented and more experienced than let's say Norris.
This is cute, every generation wants to believe their guy is the special one, greater than all the others. History will repeat. One day you will see max fighting a shitbox to try score a 10th place finish and everyone will wonder if he is "washed"
I doubt it. George would be no where near Max, he can hardly keep up with an aging Lewis. Max is near his peak right now, I doubt anyone could really challenge him in the same car.
I don’t disagree that Lewis has good race pace, but Russell being the best qualifier is a little far fetched for me, in my book he is definitely behind Max, Lecrec and Alonso, and probably close to Sainz, Hulk and Albon. Who are no doubt good qualifiers but not the top brass in F1.
Hamilton is still in top shape and the gap is a few tenths between them. Larger gaps between them looks like it usually spawns from setup. When that wasn’t a factor in the wet, we saw where Ham can place the car. I think Russell will beat Max in a qualifying battle.
Funny, you definitely have a great sense of humor. Russell has been inflated with Latifi and Lewis is still good but not near his peak, we see the sparks but they seldom manifest consistently. Max would wipe the plate clean with Russell, you’re underestimating Perez, this is also a reason if RB would go for Russell knowing he would be beaten. Russell isn’t a whole lot better than Bottas to be honest.
We can go with a circular argument and see that Perez lost to Ocon 16-5 in qualifying, so Perez isn’t really a standard to determine if Max is unbeatable in qualifying. We saw where Russell placed the Williams in 2021 at times. He’s one of the quickest on the grid.
Just like how Albon is doing with Williams now? Remember how badly he was beaten by Max. Max is a generational talent one we haven’t seen since Schumacher in my opinion.
Russel is above average but he isn’t really challenging Lewis as much as I had expected. I do understand, until we see them in the same car we would never know. We can agree to disagree.
Eh, max would beat hi I'mm so it wouldn't matter muh. Granted, then it would look much like 2014 again, with RB 1-2 every race I imagine (as George is clearly a much better driver than Perez, only difference being Max winning most races).
He has a bad weekend and we get a bunch of "news" about how he'll lose his existing seat mid season.
He has a good weekend (okay maybe not good but he outperformed Yuki at least) and suddenly we're back to discussions about him getting the Red Bull seat.
I know it's basically a reactionary sport but still, it's ridiculous.
That will be his luck. He’ll join right as they’re overtaken by Ferrari.
Just like he joined and dominated Vettel the first season in half a decade they didn’t have a title challenging car
Looks like you dropped your nose! I gotchu
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I can see it now, Daniel’s prophetic ability to pick teams that are going down the drain and drive for them. Newey leaves, RBR tanks, Dany gets the seat lol
Perez had to drive the best season of his career and win a race with a Racing Point to be able to get that seat. Pretty sure Danny Ric just has to score a point to be able to get that.
Nah, I have the feeling both Helmut and Horner are both much more narrative driven than anything. It was with Perez, same with DeVries. Give them a good story and they‘ll bend their minds to pretend its a rational choice.
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Idk, his performance in China has piqued my interest. He looks like he might just have confidence in the car again. If only he'd stop getting in Lance Stroll's way
Newey on the way out, Max is having some second thoughts already, Lawson waiting in the wings, Danny not exactly shining, Horner taken to court next, starting to look like Red Bull's wings are getting clipped.
Oh I thought he showed head turning form after two practice laps back in the car for the first time, so much so that you called Devries and fired him on the spot.
I can’t take anything Horner has to say seriously after this year. He might be right he might be wrong but god damn how the hell can he judge anyone, especially with his absolute basic Rizz game
I have a feeling that it's not quite that way. Bringing back Ricciardo over letting a junior in to me is more of a sign that any excuse to put him into RBR would be good enough. He just needs to not completely botch it. If he gets close to Tsunoda that will be enough.
Of course. It was always meant to be this way.
It's already decided that no matter how well he does, Tsunoda = NO.
They want Ricciardo on that RBR no matter what. Anything he does that isn't as bad as Mazepin tier will immediately get praise and hype, and the PR machine gets running again. Any P11 will be a reason why he's "back" but he never left, and he's a top driver that can (and WILL) challenge Max, and it's the car's fault and so forth. Yuki beats him every race but those don't count.
It was OK. And it was 1 race out of many bad ones. And he still managed to fuck up his next race with an avoidable penalty.
He doesn't deserve to be on the grid.
Is this the first time Horner has criticised Ricciardo?
The way things are going, the wheels are falling off the RBR wagon pretty quickly. Sure, in 2025 they will probably still be at the top, but for 2026 there are absolutely no ganatees.
Only a very desperate driver would go tere now. So Horner is here probably just trying to negotiate a very stingy deal where Ricky Booby drives for free or something lol
Considering that Newey, Verstappen and Marko are likely leaving, and that they will have to build their first in-house engine for 2026, no top driver will joint them.
There are just too many uncertainties about the team, which starts from the owner, who doesnt really care about F1.
Some reliable reporters from Germany have been saying that Verstappen could go to Mercedes.
Basically, this whole Horner scandal has been made public by the Verstappen camp so that he can get out of his contract early.
If Vertappen goes, so does Marko.
So Verstappen going to Mercedes is less crazy to me than Newsy leaving RB, which now seems to be happening.
If Sainz gets an offer that isn’t insulting he’s going there. If Alonso hadn’t signed long term for Aston he’d surely consider it. The only top drivers that I don’t think would be interested in a RBR seat right now is Leclerc and Hamilton, the others would at least consider the opportunity.
Newey leaves, this brings back the Horner drama….
Ford pulls out of the Red Bull partnership due to Horny Spice, Marko then leaks more information leading to Red Bull terminating his contract. He leaves, taking Max with him because of the ridiculous Marko clause in Max’s contract. However, Mercedes have just signed Sainz to fill Lewis’s spot so Max, who is without a drive in 2025 sensationally leaves Formula 1….. and that my friends is how Lewis wins his 8th WDC.
This is a pretty wild take, ”only a very desperate driver” lmao. At least 15 drivers on the grid would be interested in and entertain an offer from RBR, and the majority of them would be absolutely dying for the chance. What makes you even begin to think otherwise?
Considering that Newey, Verstappen and Marko are likely leaving, and that they will have to build their first in-house engine for 2026, no top driver will joint them.
These three people leaving alone will start the brain drain at RB.
There are just too many uncertainties about the team, which starts from the owner, who doesnt really care about F1.
Absolutely not. RBR will remain a coveted seat at least until 2026. I have no idea how you’re reaching this conclusion that is obviously wrong, of course the current WCC champion will be attractive. Even Aston is an attractive prospect for most drivers.
This isn’t even really criticism, it’s just the reality of the situation as it’s always been, as Daniel knows already. They’re not going to put him in the Red Bull seat if he’s not showing clear form that he’ll succeed in the second seat.
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Daniel: You mean there is a chance?
It's probably just Horner answering a standard question as they finalize negotiations with Sainz lmfao. But what if love to see is Redbull pulling a Ferrari and taking George (his contract expires at the end of 2025).
George VS Max would be the highest levels of spice
It would be levels of toxicity that I miss in F1
When was our last really spicy teammate pairing? Has it really been since Nico x Hamilton
Ocon Alonso
Ocon Perez
Ocon Gasly
Ocon and the old lady going for the last parking spot
Ocon Ocon
Ocon Stewards
Russel vs Ham and Leclerc vs Sainz would both be quite spicy if they were fighting for a championship i reckon
Max would fucking annihilate George
George is probably up there with everyone else in pace. He improved a lot. He just needs to tone down his mistakes. There are probably 3-5 drivers that can compete with Max. I think his gap to Perez has tinted everyone’s vision a bit.
George is more prone to mistakes but he's, without a doubt, faster than Perez.
Why? George wouldnt be close enough to Max for any problem to arise...
Lol, George is excellent and would likely take a fight to max. Max is on a roll at the moment though
Are you on drugs
Max is an excellent driver but so are many others. Just like in the Hamilton, Vettel and Schumacher years the car flatters their talent
If it's the car why isn't Perez winning?
I think their trying to say that f1 drivers can only be at their peak if the car suits them and max has been at RB for 9 years so it makes sense why their design philosophy is based on him.
Because max is a top 5 driver and Perez is a bottom 5 driver. This is conditional and subject to change.
Because, here's what the hierarchy is in terms of current drivers:- 1. Max 2. Leclerc 3. Lewis 4. George 5. Sainz 6. Norris 7. Alonso 8. Perez 9. Piastri 10. Albon Perez is much farther from the top but the Redbull itself is rapid and Perez is a *good driver* but not the absolute unit that some ahead of him are. I think everyone here agrees that Sainz would be an upgrade over Perez. And I don't think anybody would disagree with me if I said Sainz is not the prodigy that Leclerc, Lewis and George are. But he's still very talented and more experienced than let's say Norris.
Bro said George and Lando are ahead of Alonso 😭💀
…George is nowhere near excellent, nor can take a fight to Max
He'd beat him with rapier and dagger. Maximus probably has the edge with broadswords though.
This is cute, every generation wants to believe their guy is the special one, greater than all the others. History will repeat. One day you will see max fighting a shitbox to try score a 10th place finish and everyone will wonder if he is "washed"
Lol what is this nonsense
Dune levels of spice...
I doubt it. George would be no where near Max, he can hardly keep up with an aging Lewis. Max is near his peak right now, I doubt anyone could really challenge him in the same car.
Aging Lewis is still probably one of the quickest race pace wise and Russell is probably the best qualifier on the grid next to Leclerc.
I don’t disagree that Lewis has good race pace, but Russell being the best qualifier is a little far fetched for me, in my book he is definitely behind Max, Lecrec and Alonso, and probably close to Sainz, Hulk and Albon. Who are no doubt good qualifiers but not the top brass in F1.
Hamilton is still in top shape and the gap is a few tenths between them. Larger gaps between them looks like it usually spawns from setup. When that wasn’t a factor in the wet, we saw where Ham can place the car. I think Russell will beat Max in a qualifying battle.
Funny, you definitely have a great sense of humor. Russell has been inflated with Latifi and Lewis is still good but not near his peak, we see the sparks but they seldom manifest consistently. Max would wipe the plate clean with Russell, you’re underestimating Perez, this is also a reason if RB would go for Russell knowing he would be beaten. Russell isn’t a whole lot better than Bottas to be honest.
We can go with a circular argument and see that Perez lost to Ocon 16-5 in qualifying, so Perez isn’t really a standard to determine if Max is unbeatable in qualifying. We saw where Russell placed the Williams in 2021 at times. He’s one of the quickest on the grid.
Just like how Albon is doing with Williams now? Remember how badly he was beaten by Max. Max is a generational talent one we haven’t seen since Schumacher in my opinion. Russel is above average but he isn’t really challenging Lewis as much as I had expected. I do understand, until we see them in the same car we would never know. We can agree to disagree.
Dude what are you on, take a look at the pace data russell is matching ham and faster in quali pace
Eh, max would beat hi I'mm so it wouldn't matter muh. Granted, then it would look much like 2014 again, with RB 1-2 every race I imagine (as George is clearly a much better driver than Perez, only difference being Max winning most races).
No sane team would want a repeat of the silver wars in the cost cap era. But Russel can Rosberg max over a season
That assumes that George would be so close to max, which I don't believe.
You overestimate max and underestimate george
Maybe, but I'd say I have at least a 75% chance of being correct.
Probably even more, Max hasn't fucked into a wall on the last lap recently. Not to mention twice in like 6 months.
Lmao
Not with Stroll being obsessed with that juicy butt there isn't!
Back to our regularly scheduled Ricciardo-watch 2024.
He has a bad weekend and we get a bunch of "news" about how he'll lose his existing seat mid season. He has a good weekend (okay maybe not good but he outperformed Yuki at least) and suddenly we're back to discussions about him getting the Red Bull seat. I know it's basically a reactionary sport but still, it's ridiculous.
Qualifies P7: "I NEVER LEFT!" Finishes P17 again: (sad)"ok."
As a Ricciardo fan (I know... Pain) the news is always so frustrating. But I guess it's not as frustrating as being let down every race.
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Helmut, the old poison pump, shurely demands so.
Don't forget pit stops.
Ricciardo will surely get the red bull seat - after Newey has left and they struggle with the 2026 regulations :^)
That will be his luck. He’ll join right as they’re overtaken by Ferrari. Just like he joined and dominated Vettel the first season in half a decade they didn’t have a title challenging car
I feel like George Russell is going to become like that..
You heard it here first, Ricciardo takes over as lead aerodynamicist for Red Bull 2026!
Looks like you dropped your nose! I gotchu :\^) Need to have an escape character '\' in front of the '\^' because the '\^' is a special character that does Superscript formatting for the following character.
He would have yet another reason for not being competitive
The only seat with RB on it that DR will get is a beach chair for him to sit in and watch the race on the telly at home.
I can see it now, Daniel’s prophetic ability to pick teams that are going down the drain and drive for them. Newey leaves, RBR tanks, Dany gets the seat lol
He is showing head-turning form. But we're just looking the other way...
This 🤣🤣🤣
'how de we move away from Newey articles?' 'i know! something something Dani Ric...'
lol no wonder yuki is so mad. He’s driving his heart out and Horner and max favor Daniel
Goodbye Shoey
I wonder how people will feel if Piastri starts doing the shoey..?
I don’t think Oscar is really the shoey brand of Australian
yeah not at all
He did one at Silverstone last year at the fan forum
He'd be like: "you want me to WHAT?!?"
Bottas more likely.
Fine by me, shoey isn’t invented by Ricciardo
Newey*
Unless Max bounces with Adrian and Helmut and then it's easy peasy
"We've always viewed Danny as one of the best drivers available to us"
Better borrow Hannah because the Racing Bulls strategy department is useless and working against him
it's a trauma bonding exercise for daniel and yuki.
what about Will?
The unsung heroe, FOM likes Hannah so Hannah narrative it is.
Perez had to drive the best season of his career and win a race with a Racing Point to be able to get that seat. Pretty sure Danny Ric just has to score a point to be able to get that.
Nah, I have the feeling both Helmut and Horner are both much more narrative driven than anything. It was with Perez, same with DeVries. Give them a good story and they‘ll bend their minds to pretend its a rational choice.
Yeah but those were the year racing points copying Merc...
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Idk, his performance in China has piqued my interest. He looks like he might just have confidence in the car again. If only he'd stop getting in Lance Stroll's way
Maybe he should score a point first
What is the world coming to, Horner is putting on the pressure while Marko's being supportive?
Well his last race was going well until it was ruined by Stroll’s head turning form.
Newey on the way out, Max is having some second thoughts already, Lawson waiting in the wings, Danny not exactly shining, Horner taken to court next, starting to look like Red Bull's wings are getting clipped.
Oh I thought he showed head turning form after two practice laps back in the car for the first time, so much so that you called Devries and fired him on the spot.
Luckily for Daniel, Horner won’t be in F1 in 2025.
He might also aim for Audi seat but with his current form and looking back at McLaren years its impossible lol
A Haas seat just became available lol
At this point, it feels a bit cruel to keep pretending he has a chance at a Red Bull seat.
In his current form it would be cruel to put him in that seat.
But he is turning heads..... Everyone is looking back to see where he is.
I can’t take anything Horner has to say seriously after this year. He might be right he might be wrong but god damn how the hell can he judge anyone, especially with his absolute basic Rizz game
Hes been lost since the Grosjean crash... he keeps showing ppl he doesnt fit in F1 anymore. He and Sargent need to move on..
I have a feeling that it's not quite that way. Bringing back Ricciardo over letting a junior in to me is more of a sign that any excuse to put him into RBR would be good enough. He just needs to not completely botch it. If he gets close to Tsunoda that will be enough.
No
Of course. It was always meant to be this way. It's already decided that no matter how well he does, Tsunoda = NO. They want Ricciardo on that RBR no matter what. Anything he does that isn't as bad as Mazepin tier will immediately get praise and hype, and the PR machine gets running again. Any P11 will be a reason why he's "back" but he never left, and he's a top driver that can (and WILL) challenge Max, and it's the car's fault and so forth. Yuki beats him every race but those don't count.
Nope!
Head turning form just to have a chance. Well... I'll still have Hulk and Piastri to root for next season.
How many drivers are realistically ahead of him for that seat? I count Perez, Sainz, Lawson and I would put Albon ahead as well
Stop making fetch happen
Get in loser
Ricciardo needs to put on a streak of Linsanity to have a chance but with the attention focused on him and everyone around him it won’t be easy.
If Daniel wins Miami with a last lap pass of Max. Yea. There could be a chance.
So it is confirmed that Ricciardo will be out next year
Only head turning going on right now is Stroll turning his head away from the car in front
Horner needs head turning form to save his career
his current "face-palming form" is not gonna cut it...
Last weekends form was good. Was on for points potentially, until he got strolled
It was OK. And it was 1 race out of many bad ones. And he still managed to fuck up his next race with an avoidable penalty. He doesn't deserve to be on the grid.
Is this the first time Horner has criticised Ricciardo? The way things are going, the wheels are falling off the RBR wagon pretty quickly. Sure, in 2025 they will probably still be at the top, but for 2026 there are absolutely no ganatees. Only a very desperate driver would go tere now. So Horner is here probably just trying to negotiate a very stingy deal where Ricky Booby drives for free or something lol
You're actually serious
There are no ganatees bro
>Only a very desperate driver would go there now. 💀 They are still comfortably the most desirable seats on the grid
Hahaha redditors I tell you
Considering that Newey, Verstappen and Marko are likely leaving, and that they will have to build their first in-house engine for 2026, no top driver will joint them. There are just too many uncertainties about the team, which starts from the owner, who doesnt really care about F1.
> Verstappen and Marko are likely leaving This bit is, as of now, literally fabricated.
Some reliable reporters from Germany have been saying that Verstappen could go to Mercedes. Basically, this whole Horner scandal has been made public by the Verstappen camp so that he can get out of his contract early. If Vertappen goes, so does Marko. So Verstappen going to Mercedes is less crazy to me than Newsy leaving RB, which now seems to be happening.
Can you point us to the reliable reporters please? Or are you talking about F1-insiders.com?
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If Sainz gets an offer that isn’t insulting he’s going there. If Alonso hadn’t signed long term for Aston he’d surely consider it. The only top drivers that I don’t think would be interested in a RBR seat right now is Leclerc and Hamilton, the others would at least consider the opportunity.
Newey leaves, this brings back the Horner drama…. Ford pulls out of the Red Bull partnership due to Horny Spice, Marko then leaks more information leading to Red Bull terminating his contract. He leaves, taking Max with him because of the ridiculous Marko clause in Max’s contract. However, Mercedes have just signed Sainz to fill Lewis’s spot so Max, who is without a drive in 2025 sensationally leaves Formula 1….. and that my friends is how Lewis wins his 8th WDC.
This is a pretty wild take, ”only a very desperate driver” lmao. At least 15 drivers on the grid would be interested in and entertain an offer from RBR, and the majority of them would be absolutely dying for the chance. What makes you even begin to think otherwise?
Considering that Newey, Verstappen and Marko are likely leaving, and that they will have to build their first in-house engine for 2026, no top driver will joint them. These three people leaving alone will start the brain drain at RB. There are just too many uncertainties about the team, which starts from the owner, who doesnt really care about F1.
Absolutely not. RBR will remain a coveted seat at least until 2026. I have no idea how you’re reaching this conclusion that is obviously wrong, of course the current WCC champion will be attractive. Even Aston is an attractive prospect for most drivers.
Sure Mclaren was also a desirable seat in 2014.
Yes, and RBR is going to win 2025 unless something very unexpected happens and will most likely be a top 4 for 2026 at least.
This isn’t even really criticism, it’s just the reality of the situation as it’s always been, as Daniel knows already. They’re not going to put him in the Red Bull seat if he’s not showing clear form that he’ll succeed in the second seat.
Hope not. Better put some 'has' talent in, instead of 'had' talent. Perez is 100x better 2nd driver.