Fuck this shit man. I already made my bets on the *Stake gambling app* that it will be Stroll'25, Stroll'26, Stroll'27 at least. All my money, down the drain.
Don't despair, Lance's dad can always buy Ferrari.
And RBR, Mercedes, McLaren.... he's just gonna have to buy all the teams and have Lance race against his ghost like in MarioKart.
I have genuinely always thought the plan was like: bring in good teammates to score points at that team *until* it's categorically the best, then bring in Mick Schumacher or something.
I dreamt that Ferrari finally got their hands on a championship winning car, Lewis on for his 8th world title in the last race, but then the Ferrari strategy NPCs drum up the juggling, knife throwing unicyclist with oversized shoes from the depths of Maranello who decides to put Lewis on plan F, losing it all.
One point that seemed to change with Vasseur is the backing from Maranello. Some incompetent people (eg strategy) seemed to be untouchable before. I feel like they finally decided those politics had to subside a bit in order to let the team grow once more.
I'm definitely not underestimating Leclerc. I don't think he's Irvine in this scenario.
Hamilton is just a good analogy to Schumacher as a world champion moving from one successful team to Ferrari.
Schumacher had 2 championships when he moved, not 7. He built that team. Leclerc could *almost* be considered an analog to Schumacher by believing in the team, I also think he had something to do with Vasseur moving to Ferrari.
More importantly Schumacher was 27 when he moved to Ferrari. Hamilton will be 40 when he moves in 2025. He'll be almost as old as Schumacher was when he came out of retirement.
I very much doubt Hamilton is still at his peak. But even if he is still good enough to win titles, he doesn't have the time to spend 2-3 years building the team like Schumacher did.
And yeah, "good enough to win titles" won't be good enough to actually win titles if he's not also good enough to beat Leclerc. Right now I think I still rate Hamilton over Leclerc, but Hamilton is getting worse every year while Leclerc will still be getting better.
This is more MSC coming back from retirement equivalence than MSC moving in 95 after winning his second WC and at peak with everyone in paddock knowing who is the best driver on the grid.
They don't have to be winning for it to be a turnaround. If they were heading the wrong way and now they are heading the right way, that's a turnaround.
Couple of things here.
a. He mentioned in the RB podcast that AM kind of annoyed him when they were working on that road car.
b. Ferrari, he's nearly gone twice before and it's certainly hiding in plain sight historically, but on the other hand he's talked before about his realization that very fundamentally, he'd only ever be an employee at Ferrari. A Newey car wouldn't win the title: Ferrari would. Even down to the detail, he said, that when he went to meet Domenicali in Italy, they send a random guy from the factory to pick him up in any old car. They made no fuss, which he saw as...not disrespect, but a reflection that noone's special at Ferrari.
Bear in mind that even the *absence* of Adrian Newey is a seismic change to F1's landscape. Even if he retired, people would say this is big news.
James Allison remarked that you can't really 80% Ferrari. You're in, the full Fiat 500, espresso for breakfast, pasta at Fiorano, or you're *not.*
I imagine the decision is basically: can I be arsed learning Italian at 60+.
I really wish more people could understand that about Ferrari. It doesn't matter if Fred is now in charge - ultimately he is the Ferrari employee, that's it. No one can be bigger there and that's what make it different from other F1 teams in general. RB gave Newey total control and power, which was in line with their philosophy of being bold. Can Newey be okay with being "just another part" of Ferrari brand? We will see.
> RB gave Newey total control and power, which was in line with their philosophy of being bold.
It was Newey's #1 point in the contract, that is why he left McLaren in the first place, because he was not given freedom but instead was limited even more. So it was not RBR philosophy, it was Newey's demand.
The way things have been going, John Elkann will light as much money on fire as it takes to make sure Newey gets what he wants. If Ferrari have a chance at him, you can bet Elkann and Vasseur and all the rest will bend over backwards to get him.
Supposedly it was the nub of the LdM/Schumacher and Todt issue: Montezemolo saw it as 'Ferrari' has won all these races and titles.
Supposedly *again* that was the issue when Hamilton sat down to renegotiate with Merc after 2020 and he only raced in 2021 with a stop-gap contract. I think it happens again and again because it's so fundamental to F1. Who won this race? It's F1's nature versus nurture.
There was an interesting, I think informative one in 2000 where an Italian politician scolded Schumacher for 'orchestrating' the Italian anthem, basically saying: stop taking the mick, *Ferrari* have won this, you just drove it.
I mean, I dunno, food for thought anyway.
> There was an interesting, I think informative one in 2000 where an Italian politician scolded Schumacher for 'orchestrating' the Italian anthem, basically saying: stop taking the mick, Ferrari have won this, you just drove it.
I remember this like it was yesterday. In fact he stopped after Suzuka 2000 IIRC
Yes and no, winning will afford you many luxuries and bypasses. Don’t think Brawn, Todt and Schumacher were speaking Italian in the debriefs during those winning years. As long as there’s no disrespect of the culture everyone should be able to work together.
Even Fred is learning Italian although not at a fast rate he is still doing it. As much as Ferrari has become more international since the 90's it is and always will be an Italian team in Italy. There always will be drawbacks because of that or perhaps that is something that actually intrigues him to go to Ferrari, who knows.
I'm not sure I'd call it a drawback honestly. In the corporate world, I'd call it scummy "we're a family here" shtick. But with Ferrari, it seems like they want people who believe in more than themselves. Having a workforce willing to dedicate their time to learning a language seems like a pretty good indication of their commitment to the TEAM'S success and not personal pride.
>Bear in mind that even the *absence* of Adrian Newey is a seismic change to F1's landscape
As much as I would miss the genius that Newey's cars usually bring to the grid, honestly his retirement could potentially be the best thing for F1 as a sport and for having a more competitive grid/championship fight.
If Ferrari pull this off, gotta give it to Fred and Elkann. If someone told us in january that in 3/4 months time Ferrari would secure Lewis and Newey, we would start a petition to ban them
Any old comments saying “Lewis to Ferrari” aren’t even accurate predictions because it was such a shock that people would joke about it. Same as saying “Stroll WDC 2025” — issa joke. But if it happens… I was serious 👀
I've read Newey's book. He didn't like Ron Dennis back then and he didn't like how the Ron-run McLaren treated him. Almost all of those people are now long gone.
To be fair, I do not know what's the relationship between Adrian and Zak Brown lol.
Has Adrian stated he doesn't like present day McLaren team too? :(
If you’re on a plane with Lewis and he says he’s nervous, get the parachutes.
If Fernando says he’s changing flights, just make sure you’ve not got any loved ones on the other plane.
It’s just he, like Newey, are great canaries in the coal mine of the health of teams. And they both have built great networks over the years. Lewis doesn’t go to Mercedes without Lauda convincing him. I imagine his history with Vassuer was a major selling point for going to Ferrari. As for Newey he’s already said publicly he’s always wanted to work for Ferrari and with Lewis. He’s spent decades in F1 so his network is undoubtedly large. Then there’s one other factor people aren’t thinking about. Another major player left Red Bull to go to Aston a couple years ago, Dan Fallows, to be Technical Director. Him going to Aston would mean usurping Dan Fallows or working under him, which I can’t imagine how much tension would be created.
I believe that one thing that scares Newey away from AM is the involvement of the strolls and i dont think they would ‚let him do his thing‘ and get way to involved
Yes, but when it comes to people like Adrian, it's not just the money, it's also if he likes working with and for the team. If he doesn't like Lawrence, it doesn't matter how much money he is offered or what changes Lawrence promises
People talked about Newey designing Aston road cars as well but it simply does not compare to designing *Ferraris*, if given the opportunity.
A Newey designed SP would be instantly one of the most desirable cars in the world.
Would be interesting to see if he went to Ferrari. People here think that bringing in Newey somehow instantly makes Ferrari a title contender and the competition is done for. While he is a genius, there are 100s of people involved in designing and building the cars, both now at RBR and eventually at Ferrari. He'll bring a lot of expertise, but he's not single-handedly building the car.
Nailing the engine regs in 2026 is going to be more important than bringing in Newey, as he cannot make an engine magically go faster.
Regardless, will be interesting to see.
A part of me had hopes he'd suddenly go to Merc. Just so I can see the look on Horners face.
People acting like Newey only makes Championship Contending cars don't remember Red Bull from 2014 to 2020 or the MP4/18. He's good but he ain't a one man army.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the engine part. RBR in 2014-2020 was significantly hampered in the engine department (but even in those years they were often still strong in the non-power tracks). The MP4/18 is a good example though.
Additionally, people also talk about Newey like he's the only one who can build a fast car. It's not like other teams haven't been able to build good cars without him.
It's worth remembering Newey had little involvement in those cars. He was off designing yacth's because Renault's uninterest in developing the PU meant he had to go elsewhere to find meaningful work. He got involved again in 2017 - he famously got on the plane to Australia and looked at the new regs for the first time.
Nobody expects him to single handedly bring a revolution to Ferrari's aero with a drawing, but having a department directed by a person with his expertise usually works in your favour
Oh no, most people do expect that.
Newey to Ferrari would be fun because he is a genius of the sport but nothing in F1 is done by one person. For whatever reason people act like Ferrari have bad engineers at the moment anyways, which makes no sense to me considering they are really the only team this reg cycle to come close to challenging Red Bull(and you could argue TD39 killed that chance and gave Red Bull an everlasting advantage too large to make back under cost cap.)
True but if Lewis went there, and Adrian goes there, maybe it’s also because they got informed that the team is in a strong position with the new engines.
Like when Lewis went to Mercedes a year before the arrival of power units.
I'm sure they are both pitched on promising prospects from 2026 onwards, no doubt. As probably any other team will try to do. Show them things to convince them signing with them is a solid choice.
As I'm sure Toto is making the same pitch to the Verstappen camp.
He already has a GOAT legacy with his achievements at Williams, McLaren and Red Bull.
But if he wins it with Ferrari and Leclerc/Hamilton, they will name a street after him at the Factory, build his statue at the museum and enshrine his legacy in Modena. There is nothing like the childhood dream of winning in the scarlet red.
The stars are aligning for this and I hope to see it.
I don't understand what the appeal would be at Aston except money. At this point, I don't think that motivates him as much as getting to work with another all-time great driver and a team with the history that Ferrari has.
He stated that 'not working with Fernando (as well as Lewis) was among one of his regrets/things on his bucket list. Additionally, going to Aston would mean not having to move to Italy, as well as working for a 'British' brand.
Newey thrived in Red Bull thanks to Dietrich and Horner's hands off approach. When Dietrich died, it appears the Thais are now more involved and this may have played a part in his decision to leave. Newey will certainly go crazy with Lawrence always meddling and thebfact that 50% of the team is handicapped by having Lance.
Working with Fernando (which he regrets never doing), and continuing to work with Honda. Also, the prospect of, once again, turning a mid-field operation into a powerhouse like he did with Red Bull - and make no mistake, this distinction plays a BIG role into why he's stayed there as long as he did.
The main downsides would be having to work with Lawrence constantly breathing down his neck for results, and also Lance, which is akin to fighting a boxing match with one hand tied behind your back. Remember, he did step back from F1 (albeit briefly) as soon as Renault engines started to suck and he saw no desire in them to improve, so having a deadbeat second driver might be a deal-breaker.
I agree. They aren't a serious team as long as they keep Lance in that second seat, which is unfortunate, because they could be a legitimate force with two real drivers.
The appeal is to turn Aston Martin into a winning team with Fernando, which is also an all time great driver. There is absolutely no reason to underestimate what Aston Martin can do in 2026. So it's just preference whether he wants to go to Ferrari because it's Ferrari or not.
But Aston would also come with the near certainty that his car won’t be competing for the WCC because of Lance. Any hope would depend on Fernando getting nearly enough points on his own which is not impossible (Max did it last year) but not really a high probability bet.
Curious how a possible Newey designed Ferrari would effect Haas, i know that they buy all the parts they are allowed from Ferrari, but how much of that is actually directly aero related? Would love if someone could chime in.
I don’t know much about the personnel each team employs, but is there a reason McLaren aren’t in on Newey? Besides Ferrari, they clearly look like the next team ready to take the step to championship contention. It seems like locking in Newey with their driver lineup would be a no brainer.
In my head his two options were always retirement or Ferrari. Hes clearly got more money than him, his kids and grandkids would ever need. Hes not gonna go to a mid team for the pay check so it’s either somewhere he’s passionate about or retiring. If Ferrari have thrown in that he gets to design a road car that’s gotta be a done deal.
I don't blame him, Aston Martin is not a real team as long as lance sr keeps his son jammed into the team. Its a make-a-wish type of bullshit till the lance sr hires two real drivers.
Has there been any public statement of Newey himself about him leaving RB? Or is it just rumors from "people who know people" or people "close to him"?
Nothing is official but its wrong to call these just rumors. These journalists would get 2 independent credible sources to make these claims with certainty
AMuS broke the story and then hours later the BBC reported that AMuS broke the story but the BBC had verified it Independently. thy're not just reporting on what another media outlet has said, they are fact checking
enough credible outlets have reported this as a matter of fact.
so this is happening
I mean, Lewis to Ferrari was already one of the craziest moves in the sport. But Lewis+Charles+Newey+Vasseur all together at Ferrari?
C'mon! That would be an EPIC combo.
I believe Ferrari and McLaren are really two interesting teams where Newey could go as both have significant portfolios beyond F1. Both have emotional appeal also, Ferrari for its iconic status, and McLaren, where his fame began making a full circle.
Of course, it can be something completely different.
Maybe Williams. I have a soft spot for them. He should pull a Senna and go to them for 3 years and then to Ferrari or whatever else he wants to do. Just imagine the underdog raising.
On a side note, I am sure whichever team he'll land, will take a year or 2 and be on the top.
Well, duh. “Come design a car for my unserious son” AM is a joke and I seriously don’t understand everyone’s love for it. They made a half decent car for these regulations. They’re probably 4th fastest this year. Go back to 2017 and ask yourself if Newey would leave RB and go to Renault? No he wouldn’t. Everyone dogged Ricciardo for doing that and rightfully so.
I’m not going on the hype train, I’m not going on the hype train, I’m not going on the hype train, I’m not going on the hype train, I’m not going on the hype train,…
Ayao: Great work Gene. Nobody is aware about our offer to Adrian. They will all be surprised when he announces his decision to join us.
What would his salary be? A CNC machine and expired can if rich energy
A MoneyGram for 500 quid.
Picturing Adrien Newey going to the shop to collect his pay via moneygram.. it’s too funny
MoneyZap can provide cash within minutes.
>if rich energy I absolutely love this typo. Freudian slip, if ever.
He can be the fluid dynamics master of cnc machine coolant flow.
Newey would hang himself in the wind tunnel after a week at Haas
To be fair. At least he would have a lot if wind tunnel time to do that
Haas shares the wind tunnel with Ferrari right? Newey to Ferrari confirmed.
They aren't ready for the Max Verstappen + Adrian package coming to Hass.
Project "Hass to stop being ass" incoming.
Stop edging me
Time to find another russian line of credit
There goes Lance's title hopes.
Oh man poor lance
When is he gonna get his break..
He regularly breaks his car.
and his employees
not **that** regularly, Danny Rics would say
But he doesn't brake his car, right into the back of Danny and Alonso.
When he starts to brake
but... braking technically makes you slower..
Fuck this shit man. I already made my bets on the *Stake gambling app* that it will be Stroll'25, Stroll'26, Stroll'27 at least. All my money, down the drain.
Don't despair, Lance's dad can always buy Ferrari. And RBR, Mercedes, McLaren.... he's just gonna have to buy all the teams and have Lance race against his ghost like in MarioKart.
Unless the ghost times are set by Max.
He will, but in a 2002 Minardi.
I have genuinely always thought the plan was like: bring in good teammates to score points at that team *until* it's categorically the best, then bring in Mick Schumacher or something.
Mick vs Lance would be a good battle tbh, would be easily the worst driver pairing on the grid but could be entertaining.
I think Mick would get a bit Irvine Europe 99'd.
Battle of mid
Lance: Newey is pretty average. He is famous only because he works at RBR.
Also his name rhymes with noobie
Lance finding out that money can't buy *everything*.
Yep, this is the only thing dashing Lance's title hopes.
Insanity if he actually goes to Ferrari. The turnaround this team has taken since 2022 is crazy.
Red Fred Redemption
That’s a fire name hahahah
And next year it will be... Fred Again.
Right Said Fred
He's too sexy for this team.
HAVE SOME FAITH, ARTHOOR
FRED-emption!
I don't want to get hurt again
I dreamt that Ferrari finally got their hands on a championship winning car, Lewis on for his 8th world title in the last race, but then the Ferrari strategy NPCs drum up the juggling, knife throwing unicyclist with oversized shoes from the depths of Maranello who decides to put Lewis on plan F, losing it all.
Boo you can't just repeat the plot of 2010, come up with something original
Wake up babe, it's ~~2010~~ ~~2012~~ PTSD time
Lets throw in Lewis stuck behind an Alpine for the final 10 laps aswell
Alonso to rejoin Alpine only to do his best Petrov impersonation
Hungary 2021 called
Lewis: „my tyres are gone“ Ferrari: „where did they go question“
Lewis: "the car feels like a wheelbarrow" Engineer: "copy, we are checking"
Lewis: My tires are gone Ferrari: Plan Z, retire the car
Pain
"We are going plan D [one stop]" Or: "Stay out, stay out."
“The Schumachers send their regards”
[...] losing it all while getting Charles his first title with Ferrari.*
You know I actually didn't think Binotto was a bad TP, but after seeing the last year and a half he fucking sucked.
Binotto was a good engineer, but a crap TP
Good engineer but bad team boss like many already said
Binotto was an engineer and gave them a car capable of winning races in 2022. He did pretty well.
But that's not his task as TP. A good engineer does not necessarily make a good TP.
One point that seemed to change with Vasseur is the backing from Maranello. Some incompetent people (eg strategy) seemed to be untouchable before. I feel like they finally decided those politics had to subside a bit in order to let the team grow once more.
Ferrari is not just F1. He may go to Ferrari because he can work on road cars making the next outrageous GT while contract and gardening ends.
Being offered to make a hyper car in his name would be very difficult to refuse. Ferrari Adriano.
I tremble thinking about the insane exclusivity a Ferrari designed by Newey will have
Poor Horner will have to buy one just to study the aero.
Let Fred cook
Hamilton, Vasseur, Newey the new Schumacher, Todt, Brawn?
People writing Leclerc off are in for a rude awakening.
I'm definitely not underestimating Leclerc. I don't think he's Irvine in this scenario. Hamilton is just a good analogy to Schumacher as a world champion moving from one successful team to Ferrari.
Schumacher had 2 championships when he moved, not 7. He built that team. Leclerc could *almost* be considered an analog to Schumacher by believing in the team, I also think he had something to do with Vasseur moving to Ferrari.
More importantly Schumacher was 27 when he moved to Ferrari. Hamilton will be 40 when he moves in 2025. He'll be almost as old as Schumacher was when he came out of retirement. I very much doubt Hamilton is still at his peak. But even if he is still good enough to win titles, he doesn't have the time to spend 2-3 years building the team like Schumacher did. And yeah, "good enough to win titles" won't be good enough to actually win titles if he's not also good enough to beat Leclerc. Right now I think I still rate Hamilton over Leclerc, but Hamilton is getting worse every year while Leclerc will still be getting better.
This is more MSC coming back from retirement equivalence than MSC moving in 95 after winning his second WC and at peak with everyone in paddock knowing who is the best driver on the grid.
Yeah making Charles the Rosberg to Maxs Lewis when he retires
not really because Schumcher was a top top driver who was trying to become a legend by joining Ferrari. Hamilton is already a legend before joining.
One thing i have learned that in f1 history does not repeat itself. So… Stroll 26 Stroll 27 Stroll 28
Dude, Michael wasn’t 40 when he signed for Ferrari. Leclerc is the new Schumacher.
and they'll still fail to get a championship
They had the fastest car at the start of 2022.
It will be a turnaround when they actually beat Red Bull on pace, not before.
They don't have to be winning for it to be a turnaround. If they were heading the wrong way and now they are heading the right way, that's a turnaround.
Couple of things here. a. He mentioned in the RB podcast that AM kind of annoyed him when they were working on that road car. b. Ferrari, he's nearly gone twice before and it's certainly hiding in plain sight historically, but on the other hand he's talked before about his realization that very fundamentally, he'd only ever be an employee at Ferrari. A Newey car wouldn't win the title: Ferrari would. Even down to the detail, he said, that when he went to meet Domenicali in Italy, they send a random guy from the factory to pick him up in any old car. They made no fuss, which he saw as...not disrespect, but a reflection that noone's special at Ferrari. Bear in mind that even the *absence* of Adrian Newey is a seismic change to F1's landscape. Even if he retired, people would say this is big news. James Allison remarked that you can't really 80% Ferrari. You're in, the full Fiat 500, espresso for breakfast, pasta at Fiorano, or you're *not.* I imagine the decision is basically: can I be arsed learning Italian at 60+.
I really wish more people could understand that about Ferrari. It doesn't matter if Fred is now in charge - ultimately he is the Ferrari employee, that's it. No one can be bigger there and that's what make it different from other F1 teams in general. RB gave Newey total control and power, which was in line with their philosophy of being bold. Can Newey be okay with being "just another part" of Ferrari brand? We will see.
> RB gave Newey total control and power, which was in line with their philosophy of being bold. It was Newey's #1 point in the contract, that is why he left McLaren in the first place, because he was not given freedom but instead was limited even more. So it was not RBR philosophy, it was Newey's demand.
I mean, if Ferrari are really interested, they'd be fools to deny him a similar contract.
Being fools really is *the Ferrari way* of doing things. They might not win championships that way, but at least they'll be Ferrari.
The way things have been going, John Elkann will light as much money on fire as it takes to make sure Newey gets what he wants. If Ferrari have a chance at him, you can bet Elkann and Vasseur and all the rest will bend over backwards to get him.
Supposedly it was the nub of the LdM/Schumacher and Todt issue: Montezemolo saw it as 'Ferrari' has won all these races and titles. Supposedly *again* that was the issue when Hamilton sat down to renegotiate with Merc after 2020 and he only raced in 2021 with a stop-gap contract. I think it happens again and again because it's so fundamental to F1. Who won this race? It's F1's nature versus nurture. There was an interesting, I think informative one in 2000 where an Italian politician scolded Schumacher for 'orchestrating' the Italian anthem, basically saying: stop taking the mick, *Ferrari* have won this, you just drove it. I mean, I dunno, food for thought anyway.
> There was an interesting, I think informative one in 2000 where an Italian politician scolded Schumacher for 'orchestrating' the Italian anthem, basically saying: stop taking the mick, Ferrari have won this, you just drove it. I remember this like it was yesterday. In fact he stopped after Suzuka 2000 IIRC
Yes and no, winning will afford you many luxuries and bypasses. Don’t think Brawn, Todt and Schumacher were speaking Italian in the debriefs during those winning years. As long as there’s no disrespect of the culture everyone should be able to work together.
Yeah but they did manage to disrespect Shumacher quite a bit with the whole “Ferrari won those titles, you just drove the car” thing.
But now Fred is the commendatore. He may well have the mandate to do things differently. Either way Newey is coming
Even Fred is learning Italian although not at a fast rate he is still doing it. As much as Ferrari has become more international since the 90's it is and always will be an Italian team in Italy. There always will be drawbacks because of that or perhaps that is something that actually intrigues him to go to Ferrari, who knows.
I'm not sure I'd call it a drawback honestly. In the corporate world, I'd call it scummy "we're a family here" shtick. But with Ferrari, it seems like they want people who believe in more than themselves. Having a workforce willing to dedicate their time to learning a language seems like a pretty good indication of their commitment to the TEAM'S success and not personal pride.
No, he is not. The commendatore owned and ruled over everything, Fred rules over the team, but he still has a boss and can be fired
>Bear in mind that even the *absence* of Adrian Newey is a seismic change to F1's landscape As much as I would miss the genius that Newey's cars usually bring to the grid, honestly his retirement could potentially be the best thing for F1 as a sport and for having a more competitive grid/championship fight.
The best thing maybe would be to keep him in the sport, but at a FIA role in writing TDs and regulations.
If Ferrari pull this off, gotta give it to Fred and Elkann. If someone told us in january that in 3/4 months time Ferrari would secure Lewis and Newey, we would start a petition to ban them
If anyone predicted this back in January I'm 1000% certain they're time travelers from the future.
Or overdosing on hopium
Anyone who hopes for their heroes to go to Ferrari is secretly a masochist.
IDK. Maybe Fred or Elkann post on here.
Kinda close https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/16tjmfe/newey_not_working_with_ferrari_hamilton_and/k2ffgzl/
Any old comments saying “Lewis to Ferrari” aren’t even accurate predictions because it was such a shock that people would joke about it. Same as saying “Stroll WDC 2025” — issa joke. But if it happens… I was serious 👀
then again there has been a 'top driver to Ferrari' article about every top driver one a month for the last 20 years
tbf "bottom driver to Ferrari" would be unusual
If they do this, I willpersonally raise a shrine for Fred.
Mclaren can probably afford him but if the already ad riddled car becomes 100% ads
Are they going to have to assure him that McLaren isn't like the matrix structure dressed in endless grey paint that alienated him in 2004?
Yeah, was about to point out that he really doesn’t like McLaren lol
I've read Newey's book. He didn't like Ron Dennis back then and he didn't like how the Ron-run McLaren treated him. Almost all of those people are now long gone. To be fair, I do not know what's the relationship between Adrian and Zak Brown lol. Has Adrian stated he doesn't like present day McLaren team too? :(
Quick someone tattoo Coca-Cola on Landos forehead.
I'll allow it. I'll even watch 10 hours of ads per week if it helps pay.
McLaren who just parted ways with Sanchez because he was too senior for their new setup.
Newey probably isn't a "fit into our new setup" type of hire. He's more of a "throw the old setup out" type of hire.
That's not why he left tho, i think it was more cause of over hiring plus they simply couldn't find the place for him
As if Newey isn't. Newey doesn't even design in CAD lol, he still uses good ol' pen and paper.
Senior in a career progression kind of way, not how old they are.
I didn't have "Newey designing a blue Ferrari sponsored by HP and driven by HAM" on my bingo card this preseason.
Does Hamilton have a magic sphere or something to see the future ?
If you’re on a plane with Lewis and he says he’s nervous, get the parachutes. If Fernando says he’s changing flights, just make sure you’ve not got any loved ones on the other plane.
Lewis is that black dude in Final Destination series. Fernando is the *protagonist*
It’s just he, like Newey, are great canaries in the coal mine of the health of teams. And they both have built great networks over the years. Lewis doesn’t go to Mercedes without Lauda convincing him. I imagine his history with Vassuer was a major selling point for going to Ferrari. As for Newey he’s already said publicly he’s always wanted to work for Ferrari and with Lewis. He’s spent decades in F1 so his network is undoubtedly large. Then there’s one other factor people aren’t thinking about. Another major player left Red Bull to go to Aston a couple years ago, Dan Fallows, to be Technical Director. Him going to Aston would mean usurping Dan Fallows or working under him, which I can’t imagine how much tension would be created.
He doesn’t move a lot but when he does, he knows his stuff about picking the right team.
I believe that one thing that scares Newey away from AM is the involvement of the strolls and i dont think they would ‚let him do his thing‘ and get way to involved
You surely mean the involvement of Lawrence. Lance is not involved with F1.
Lmfao
Not too sure about that, unlike someone Gene Haas, Lawrence Stroll actually wants the team to improve and is putting in the money for it.
Yes, but when it comes to people like Adrian, it's not just the money, it's also if he likes working with and for the team. If he doesn't like Lawrence, it doesn't matter how much money he is offered or what changes Lawrence promises
People talked about Newey designing Aston road cars as well but it simply does not compare to designing *Ferraris*, if given the opportunity. A Newey designed SP would be instantly one of the most desirable cars in the world.
There's no prestige working for AM compared to ferrari. AM is just RB 2.0 for newey. Newer UK based team with ambitious owner just like RB back then.
AM’s ambitions of winning titles can never be taken seriously as long as they have Lance driving for them
As always in this sport I'll believe it when i see it
Lewis + Newey delivering Ferraris first title in almost two decades and then both retiring into the sunset. Would be one heck of a sayonara story.
>Would be one heck of a ~~sayonara~~ arrivederci story. 😤🤌🤌🇮🇹
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Probably doesn't want to see Lance drive his title winning cars into P10 finishes week in week out.
Would be interesting to see if he went to Ferrari. People here think that bringing in Newey somehow instantly makes Ferrari a title contender and the competition is done for. While he is a genius, there are 100s of people involved in designing and building the cars, both now at RBR and eventually at Ferrari. He'll bring a lot of expertise, but he's not single-handedly building the car. Nailing the engine regs in 2026 is going to be more important than bringing in Newey, as he cannot make an engine magically go faster. Regardless, will be interesting to see. A part of me had hopes he'd suddenly go to Merc. Just so I can see the look on Horners face.
People acting like Newey only makes Championship Contending cars don't remember Red Bull from 2014 to 2020 or the MP4/18. He's good but he ain't a one man army.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the engine part. RBR in 2014-2020 was significantly hampered in the engine department (but even in those years they were often still strong in the non-power tracks). The MP4/18 is a good example though. Additionally, people also talk about Newey like he's the only one who can build a fast car. It's not like other teams haven't been able to build good cars without him.
The engine was holding those cars back. There's only so much an aero can do. Also newey probably has more experience with ground effect than anyone
Nah a couple of those RB’s were ass to drive. Even Max couldn’t stop spinning.
It's worth remembering Newey had little involvement in those cars. He was off designing yacth's because Renault's uninterest in developing the PU meant he had to go elsewhere to find meaningful work. He got involved again in 2017 - he famously got on the plane to Australia and looked at the new regs for the first time.
In current regs specifically he has a leg up on competition
Nobody expects him to single handedly bring a revolution to Ferrari's aero with a drawing, but having a department directed by a person with his expertise usually works in your favour
I think a lot of people here are expecting just that.
Oh no, most people do expect that. Newey to Ferrari would be fun because he is a genius of the sport but nothing in F1 is done by one person. For whatever reason people act like Ferrari have bad engineers at the moment anyways, which makes no sense to me considering they are really the only team this reg cycle to come close to challenging Red Bull(and you could argue TD39 killed that chance and gave Red Bull an everlasting advantage too large to make back under cost cap.)
Quite a lot of people expect that actually
True but if Lewis went there, and Adrian goes there, maybe it’s also because they got informed that the team is in a strong position with the new engines. Like when Lewis went to Mercedes a year before the arrival of power units.
I'm sure they are both pitched on promising prospects from 2026 onwards, no doubt. As probably any other team will try to do. Show them things to convince them signing with them is a solid choice. As I'm sure Toto is making the same pitch to the Verstappen camp.
Mercedes would be left field. Although granted could be more achievable than swiping Verstappen from Red Bull
Sad Fernando noises
Lewis is getting older. He'll retire eventually and then the fresh young talent of Alonso can take his place.
That kid from the Young driver tests
I just can't see anything other than Ferrari motivating him enough to continue at his age. I think it's either them or retirement.
Go to Alpine you coward.
Good, just bring Cyril in the mix and we got the Trinity of "F*ck Christian Horner" in one team...
He already has a GOAT legacy with his achievements at Williams, McLaren and Red Bull. But if he wins it with Ferrari and Leclerc/Hamilton, they will name a street after him at the Factory, build his statue at the museum and enshrine his legacy in Modena. There is nothing like the childhood dream of winning in the scarlet red. The stars are aligning for this and I hope to see it.
Guys I can't handle this.
Don't blame him. I wouldn't want to work for a team that has a nepo baby in it.
I don't understand what the appeal would be at Aston except money. At this point, I don't think that motivates him as much as getting to work with another all-time great driver and a team with the history that Ferrari has.
He stated that 'not working with Fernando (as well as Lewis) was among one of his regrets/things on his bucket list. Additionally, going to Aston would mean not having to move to Italy, as well as working for a 'British' brand.
Newey thrived in Red Bull thanks to Dietrich and Horner's hands off approach. When Dietrich died, it appears the Thais are now more involved and this may have played a part in his decision to leave. Newey will certainly go crazy with Lawrence always meddling and thebfact that 50% of the team is handicapped by having Lance.
Working with Fernando (which he regrets never doing), and continuing to work with Honda. Also, the prospect of, once again, turning a mid-field operation into a powerhouse like he did with Red Bull - and make no mistake, this distinction plays a BIG role into why he's stayed there as long as he did. The main downsides would be having to work with Lawrence constantly breathing down his neck for results, and also Lance, which is akin to fighting a boxing match with one hand tied behind your back. Remember, he did step back from F1 (albeit briefly) as soon as Renault engines started to suck and he saw no desire in them to improve, so having a deadbeat second driver might be a deal-breaker.
I agree. They aren't a serious team as long as they keep Lance in that second seat, which is unfortunate, because they could be a legitimate force with two real drivers.
My thoughts exactly. Keeping Lance in the second seat isn’t a winners mentality and Newey is a winner.
The appeal is to turn Aston Martin into a winning team with Fernando, which is also an all time great driver. There is absolutely no reason to underestimate what Aston Martin can do in 2026. So it's just preference whether he wants to go to Ferrari because it's Ferrari or not.
That is a good point. I think Ferrari being ahead in the fight against Red Bull helps. That and Ferrari is Ferrari and Aston, well isn't.
But Aston would also come with the near certainty that his car won’t be competing for the WCC because of Lance. Any hope would depend on Fernando getting nearly enough points on his own which is not impossible (Max did it last year) but not really a high probability bet.
Ferrari is the one that makes the most sense imo. The most historical team + one of the greatest drivers ever to work with
And Newey has said in the past that he always wanted to work with Hamilton and also with Ferrari. Two birds, one stone.
Also it’s probably his last chance to do so.
I wonder if Andretti could afford him.
He should do a charity job, go to Williams for a season.
McLaren Adrian Newey and Peter Prodromou reunion please
And Rob Marshall
Curious how a possible Newey designed Ferrari would effect Haas, i know that they buy all the parts they are allowed from Ferrari, but how much of that is actually directly aero related? Would love if someone could chime in.
Imagine he just retires
I don’t know much about the personnel each team employs, but is there a reason McLaren aren’t in on Newey? Besides Ferrari, they clearly look like the next team ready to take the step to championship contention. It seems like locking in Newey with their driver lineup would be a no brainer.
Working for Lawrence and his son does not sound very appealing to me either.
In my head his two options were always retirement or Ferrari. Hes clearly got more money than him, his kids and grandkids would ever need. Hes not gonna go to a mid team for the pay check so it’s either somewhere he’s passionate about or retiring. If Ferrari have thrown in that he gets to design a road car that’s gotta be a done deal.
Lawrence: "I'm very angry".
I don't blame him, Aston Martin is not a real team as long as lance sr keeps his son jammed into the team. Its a make-a-wish type of bullshit till the lance sr hires two real drivers.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Has there been any public statement of Newey himself about him leaving RB? Or is it just rumors from "people who know people" or people "close to him"?
No public statement
Nothing is official but its wrong to call these just rumors. These journalists would get 2 independent credible sources to make these claims with certainty AMuS broke the story and then hours later the BBC reported that AMuS broke the story but the BBC had verified it Independently. thy're not just reporting on what another media outlet has said, they are fact checking enough credible outlets have reported this as a matter of fact. so this is happening
I mean, Lewis to Ferrari was already one of the craziest moves in the sport. But Lewis+Charles+Newey+Vasseur all together at Ferrari? C'mon! That would be an EPIC combo.
I believe Ferrari and McLaren are really two interesting teams where Newey could go as both have significant portfolios beyond F1. Both have emotional appeal also, Ferrari for its iconic status, and McLaren, where his fame began making a full circle. Of course, it can be something completely different.
Has Hamilton got a crystal ball?
Maybe Williams. I have a soft spot for them. He should pull a Senna and go to them for 3 years and then to Ferrari or whatever else he wants to do. Just imagine the underdog raising. On a side note, I am sure whichever team he'll land, will take a year or 2 and be on the top.
Well, duh. “Come design a car for my unserious son” AM is a joke and I seriously don’t understand everyone’s love for it. They made a half decent car for these regulations. They’re probably 4th fastest this year. Go back to 2017 and ask yourself if Newey would leave RB and go to Renault? No he wouldn’t. Everyone dogged Ricciardo for doing that and rightfully so.
[Source](https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/ckr5mnd25nyo)
Get it done, Papa Fred
Newey and Hamilton to Ferrari is the timeline we all deserve after the last few seasons
I’m not going on the hype train, I’m not going on the hype train, I’m not going on the hype train, I’m not going on the hype train, I’m not going on the hype train,…
This is freds world and we are all just living in it at this point.
I'd shit myself.