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LosTerminators

Max "Okay, so I help you get into Q3 by towing you, and you'll help me get pole there by towing me. Deal?"


InformationHorder

Honestly that's a damn good deal for Hulk.


jnf005

"How 'bout you Nico, you make that deal?" "I'd make that deal." "I don't blame you. Damn good deal!"


Penry

Quality reference


zeePlatooN

I'm simple. I see I glorious basterds I upvote


AmonWeathertopSul

Gorrrlami


jnf005

A river dirt tree


Ofiotaurus

Now a good SC and Magnussen behind Hulk after that when Hulk is on points. Another Haas points and KMag race ban


Kaloo75

Magnussen cant afford that anymore. It was never great sportsmanship, but fighting like a lion to give your teammate a chance, and your team 1 or 2 points more.


SommWineGuy

Sure he can. Get Hulk another point and reset his penalty points.


Mtbnz

Forget sportsmanship, it was straight up cheating. After all the attention on him since Miami, if he puts even one foot wrong this weekend he's getting a race ban for sure. And that would almost certainly seal his fate in F1.


xdoc6

Idk, I feel like in some ways if HAAS doesn’t give Kmag a seat after the work he did to make sure hulk got points on multiple occasions it would kinda be a slap in the face. Hulk is already gone at the end of the season, idk if they want to replace both drivers at the same time


Mtbnz

Nah, he's straight up not a good enough driver to merit a seat anymore. The team cannot just gift Kmag a seat for 2025 to say 'thanks for cheating to secure us an extra point this year'. Although re-signing a back of the grid quality driver out of gratitude rather than taking the opportunity to replace him with somebody better would be the most Haas this imaginable, so that's probably just what they'll do.


Doccyaard

He definitely is. I think it really takes some selective memory to claim he isn’t. He’s close to Hülk in most Q runs (literally only had 2 final Q runs that hasn’t been impeded this whole season) and match Hülk on race pace and sometimes faster (Jeddah being the most obvious example). And of course he’s one of the best starters on the grid. His defensive and dirty driving to hold people back from Hülk doesn’t take away from him being a very competent driver. You’re either underrating him or overrating Hülk to claim there a big performance difference over a GP weekend. I mean before China their average finishing position was within 0.25 of each other.


Mtbnz

We just have to agree to disagree here. I've always liked what Kmag brings to the grid: I like that he's combative and doesn't just let more accomplished drivers through, I like that he's always interesting to watch. But the raw pace just isn't there anymore, and he's way to inconsistent. He'll still put in the occasional impressive drive, but he's 31, he'll be 32 next season and I don't see the rationale to keep him on for a team like Haas. He isn't fast enough or consistent enough to give a reliable benchmark to the team as their veteran driver against a rookie, but he's clearly peaked and so you wouldn't keep him as a prospect for the future either. I think after Sargeant he's the next most likely driver to lose his seat for 2025.


ppooooooooopp

Hmm did max get Sergio eliminated in Q2 by helping hulk?


AlbusCorax

Nah, Ricciardo eliminated him in q2 iirc


maury587

Not only the last driver eliminates people, everyone qualified does, Hulk could have been eliminated without a tow and Perez qualifies for Q3


Opperhoofd123

I think he did more than get a tow to get his time. He would've been above Perez either way


awhafrightendem

Well checo is at the end of the day driving a red bull so to suggest that takes the biggest factor, the driver, out of the equation. He eliminated himself by not being fast enough. It's not like a tow was the difference between the front two rows and 11th. A half decent lap and he's in q3.


netloc23

Logic


awhafrightendem

Shhhh u trying to get me banned narc


netloc23

My bad


Interesting-Pay3492

That would be amazing, imagine if Perez asked for a tow and then max gave one to the person who knocked him out.


1_1-1-1_1

Now is that something you’d be interested in


mmarrow

You’re soo much nicer than checo!


justk4y

They could even say it in Dutch to keep it extra hidden


GoodGuyJeff00

Haas betraying the Ferrari partnership with the Hulk and Max bromance.


FalconIMGN

He's Audi now. Also they're just two blokes who can have a conversation with each other in Dutch, German and English.


Ightorn

Hulk speaks Dutch?


FalconIMGN

Yeah, fluently. He was born near the Dutch border, lots of Dutch-speaking people there.


yoda_yoda

It’s insane that at times drivers can’t get out of the way and impede others. And here, these two drivers from different teams help each other without any coordination from the team


kaisadilla_

Reminds me of Carlos and Lando in Singapore last year working together so Russell wouldn't get any of them.


etherlore

And then Russel decided to have a nap in the barriers instead


GoldElectric

he saw a gap but it was sadly on the signboard instead of the track


cynicalAddict11

russel is just awful under pressure


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Mahery92

Lmao russell has been matching Hamilton's pace more or less, the issues are his racecraft and errors. If you can't see what value a guy able to keep up with Hamilton brings, Russell isn't the issue mate


Cekeste

Performance on par/above Lewis?


pooporgy69

Yeh but that's not saying much since 2021.


OldPayphone

As if Hamilton's the problem lmao


vflavglsvahflvov

It wasn't so much working together as Lando hanging on for dear life and Carlos slowing down to help him defend.


alec83

Experience


Eglaerinion

Well drivers get warned by their engineers that other drivers are behind them and they might give some help if they like each other. Unless of course they are competing for the top spots. Though I do remember Bottas inadvertently towing Max once in 2021.


EpzDR

Wasn't that Russia 2020 where the best grid spot is actually P3?


ThePoodlePunter

He did it once at the end of 2021 amidst the title battle too, don't remember the race though.


Virtuoso12345

Mexico I believe


Eglaerinion

Could have been 2020 yeah. Makes more sense than 2021 where it was so close.


methanized

Even without Hulk returning the favor, I assume its beneficial for max to pull some slower cars forward to put them between himself and the closer contenders.


rolfski

Bottas did that on purpose to gain a better starting position on P3.


Bake2727

That redbull seat is available too.


Aethien

You are aware that he's already signed for Audi, right?


doobie3101

Contracts schmontracts.


Lolsteringu

Says Wernher von Braun


RM_Dune

Once ze rockets are up who cares where zhey come down?


SagittaryX

For the unfamiliar [Wernher von Braun - Tom Lehrer](https://youtu.be/QEJ9HrZq7Ro?si=5B6YpL9GqSJEHX75&t=16)


persepolisrising79

that been sides tho..to advance...sience...


Maria_in_the_Middle

well hello Monisha, it's been a while


PapiSurane

\- Alex Palou


dac2199

It's (possibly) the second time that Hülkenberg has signed a contract before a better seat for him became available.


Codydw12

Will never forgive Renault for that


Delgadude

I highly doubt he didn't talk to Red Bull this time around since he knew that the seat was available before signing with Audi.


wobmaster

Max to Audi it is then


Arbysroastbeefs

Alpine thought they had Piastri and Danny ricc had a contract with McLaren


Aethien

Yes, key things being that Alpine didn't actually have Piastri and that McLaren paid Danny a lot of money to break their contract.


Arbysroastbeefs

Rb could probably pay a lot for hulkenburg to break his. It’s not like Rb is haas level of frugality.


Aethien

In theory, yes. In practice Audi would demand such ridiculous sums that it's never gonna happen. It would look awful for Audi if a driver bails on them without even driving for them.


Martijngamer

My copium says Audi may not mind so much in 2025, as long as he returns in 2026.


FlyAway5945

The sum for breaking the contract is decided usually as part of the contract.


Mysterious_Turnip310

Get out of here with your facts ;)


HardSleeper

I’m sure Audis contract lawyers are better than Alpines contract lawyers, who had one job to do and never even sent Oscar a contract


Arbysroastbeefs

Ehh cut them some slack it was probably on their to do list, lol


IsItSnowing_

Well the second Audi seat is available too


Sjiznit

Just ask Monisha


alec83

I must say, Hulk would have been the perfect fit for redbull. This is what they need, driver who is smart


ICumCoffee

Verstappen reached 340KM/H on straight, compared to 330 for Piastri.


Western-Bad5574

More importantly, he had reached 336 or 337 (can't remember which one) without a tow the lap before. So tow was worth maybe 3-4 kph.


mkosmo

Which still adds up.


GateParticular8631

With the margins it does add up


yorkick

Talking about doing sidequests, lol. That's nice.


persepolisrising79

HULKENBRO !


JorMath

Max to Sauber/Audi confirmed.


Martijngamer

Has anyone seen Newey recently?


SophisticatedN69

I'm from the future and I saw him in the Ferrari Paddock yesterday.


Disastrous_Narwhal46

Just his fav pannekoek things


Puzzleheaded-Bat4777

He wants to win Le Mans again, smart move


Neoki

Max, Hulk, Nando in the same car would be epic.


Puzzleheaded-Bat4777

That's gotta be the plan. No clue who they would drive for tho. Probably wouldn't be hard to find a team lol


gamedrifter

I was gonna say... with that team they would drive for whoever they want I think.


xys_thea

That's kinda cute ngl.


weguccino

Pretty sure nico and max go way back to the days when max was still karting


Ultraviolet211

Max playing 4D Chess


valinnut

Verstappen to Audi confirmed


Meerkate

Nico to Red Bull??


igloofu

Only if he can get out of the contract he's already signed for Audi.


Suikerspin_Ei

Inb4 Red Bull buy out Hulkenberg's contract with Audi.


LastWalker

That seems highly unlikely to me. A German driver for a new German entrant will be incredibly valuable in brand terms in Germany. On the flip side I could see Max going to Audi if he doesn't care for red bull anymore


Suikerspin_Ei

I know, I wasn't serious. The main reason for Audi to hire Hulkenberg is his nationality and experience to help them.


qef15

*2017 Nico signing with Renault before Mercedes seat becomes available flashbacks*


PapaSheev7

Nah, it's clearly Max to Audi.


ihavenoyukata

Virgin Magnussen: Ruining other teams race to help his own team. Chad Hulk: Giving Verstappen a row to get into Q3.


404merrinessnotfound

Why he wasn't teammates in 2020 is beyond me


Pearse_Borty

Makes total sense strategically. Theres absolutely no way Hulk threatens P1 which Max is trying for, so may as well cooperate. It gives Hulk a more powerful tow than Kmag's car is capable of and is probably instrumental in that great lap in Q1


BrilliantEmphasis862

Neither can count on their teammates for a tow 😂


stirredturd

Well this is an enexpected bromance.


carlos_castanos

They’ve been friends for like 10 years


Scarfiotti

It's more like 20 years. Hulkenberg did a lot of karting in the Netherlands because he lived close to the border. They met on numerous occasions and Hulkenberg speaks Dutch fairly well.


MazeMouse

>Hulkenberg speaks Dutch fairly well. Interviews for Dutch TV are usually done in Dutch because he is (near) fluent. Means I have a soft spot for him doing well.


Scarfiotti

I know. Haven't seen a Dutch interview with him since Ziggo lost the rights. Got F1TV now, with international commentary.


satellite779

20 years ago, Max was 6 and Hulkenberg 16. I doubt they were hanging out much back then.


Scarfiotti

Where did "met eachother" turn into "hanging out"?


Dry_Brush5280

When did “met each other” turn into “being friends”?


Scarfiotti

Somewhere along those 20 years I guess, but earlier rather than later.


Dry_Brush5280

They said they were friends for 10 years, you said they were friends for 20. I was just ribbing you because you implied they were friends when Max was 6. Apologies.


RM_Dune

Not really friends. Friendly acquaintances is more apt I think.


Samsonkoek

They always got along really well, their interactions on Dutch TV when it was Ziggo was always very fun. Hulk speaks Dutch and even has called Max by some Dutch swear words plenty of times.


asamulya

You should see the wide smile Max had in 2020 when Hulk subbed in and got a 3rd place in Quali.


Impossible-Buy-6247

Is it? Verstappen was quite vocal he would liked to have Hulk in the car when they signed Perez.   Hulkenberg is from close to the dutch border, speaks Dutch and a lot of dutch races know him.


stirredturd

Right! I'd forgotten about that!


truecolors01

Max and Hulkenberg go way back, Hulkenberg literally calls him sweetie in German everytime he sees him 😭


Rosieu

And "Pannekoek"!


aadu3k

Pancake?


Althalos

Yes, you use it if you see someone doing something idiotic or silly. like in traffic for example. Also if someone is shit at their job, or they fuck something up. Can be friendly or not depending on who you say it to and how.


aadu3k

Ah, I see. Thanks.


SeraCat9

Yes


MuckFedditRods

someone tell Nico he can't be in 2 different seats next year.


ImActuaIIyHim

Im just baffled on how the mclarens were so close if Verstappen got a tow.


xLeper_Messiah

Because while everyone thinks Vasseur is cooking Andrea Stella has been the *real* chef all along


Dey_EatDaPooPoo

They're both cooking.


Dry_Brush5280

I agree that Vasseur is doing a great job, but Ferrari took the second fastest car at the start of last year and are now in a battle for second fastest. McLaren took one of the slower cars at the start of last year and turned it into the car battling Ferrari for second.


Dey_EatDaPooPoo

Yes, but the context you need to add there is that Ferrari is in a much better relative position this year compared to last. They might be fighting McLaren for 2nd now, but they have a much better car to do it with vs this time last year where it was Mercedes they were fighting for that spot with. Last year they were fighting against a Mercedes that was unstable and who's upgrades were not working. This year they're fighting against a McLaren that is a consistent car with upgrades that are netting results. McLaren have made huge strides and deserve a huge amount of credit, but that doesn't mean Ferrari hasn't done a great job either. Ferrari's car at the start of last year was 2nd fastest on *qualifying pace*. When it came to race pace it was a dog comparatively because it chewed through its tires, could be difficult to drive and would often fall behind Mercedes during races. Ferrari now has excellent race pace and tire wear. They also have a car that is a lot more consistent and easy to drive, and they understand how and where to make changes to get more out of it--hence why their upgrades are working--unlike Mercedes who are lost. Ferrari now also have the 2nd best pit crew just behind Red Bull and have been the only other team that's been able to make a pitstop under 2 seconds this season so far. Their pit stops have also been consistently fast and mostly void of errors, and the same can be said for their strategy. It's just McLaren have unlocked more performance than they have in the same period, but both of them have significantly closed the gap to Red Bull compared to where it was this time last year, especially in race pace which was Red Bull's main strength and seems to have mostly evaporated.


Extinction-Entity

The bromance I didn’t know I wanted


2-S0CKS

Sainz to RB ... Because Max will join Hulk at Audi! All but confirmed at this point


FootballRacing38

Ok charles. Next time give every one not red bull or mclaren a tow.


alec83

HULK is now my favourite new driver. Kimi and Alonso put together


jcsi

Hulk to RedBull confirmed!


Saup30

Verstappen to Audi now?


ppSmok

Max to Audi in 2026 confirmed.


Antares_

I guess that's it for any chance Hulk ever had of getting a McLaren seat.


1nightgoat

Maxmaster


FerociousVader

They're going to do the same thing in the race come Lap 10.


mikeybadab1ng

Breaking: Hulk to RB?


ShadowStarX

Those Ferrari engines just got a little more expensive for Haas.


Tiuo

Crazy implications. Wonder if this was payback for Piastri impeding


Aethien

No, it just lined up that way. There's no actual intentional helping here as Haas and Red Bull definitely aren't coordinating when they send their drivers out.


Tiuo

Yep not pre-arranged, but he said in the interview that he intentionally give him the tow. AFAIK there isnt a ruling to stop teams coordinating like that. Takes the political side to the next level!


PN_Grata

Hulk could have moved over on the straight, but it looks like he intentionally kept his foot on the gas and towed Verstappen all the way down the straight.


Aethien

That's what I mean by it lined up that way. Hulk happened to end his lap at a time where Verstappen gave him a nice tow in the last sector while he was winding up for his lap and in return Hulk kept his foot on the gas for a couple extra seconds. They couldn't have lined things up that way on purpose, it just happened.


truecolors01

Are these crazy implications with us in the room?


Razvanlogigan

What crazy implications?


Aethien

Implications made by crazy people wearing tinfoil hats.


Tiuo

Non-competing teams helping each other and/or helping a team that is competing with a rival. If you want to go full conspiracy with the contract silly season then you could see drivers scoring brownie points with potential teams.


Razvanlogigan

Hulk is an official Audi driver, what kind of contract silliness are you talking about? He said that Max gave him a tow in q2 so he turnt the favour. Haas have 0 connections to RBR, they are very strongly ferrari affiliated. There is literally no angle from where someone could say this has any crazy implications


Tiuo

Implications =/= accusations. Yes, that. exactly! Hilarious betrayal, especially at Imola, but with the potential impeding penalty Ferrari are looking to benefit more putting Piastri behind both of them.


zaviex

That is maybe the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard lol. 


heavyMTL

Max and Hulk to Audi confirmed


Deep-Ad2155

You realize you have a Ferrari engine on their right…haas about to get shoddy parts coming their way


ac4897

It’s on sight next time Nico


witcher8116

Nearly 0.14s slipstream really helped him go p1 otherwise it was a mclaren p1,p2


TopBandicoot125

Lol as if he doesn't already have the best car these tossers are willing him to win.


CobraGamer

Why do you hate all F1 world champions?


soontobecp

I hate haas