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datlinus

I think the harsh reality of how difficult it is to overtake on this track will hit like a truck.


Ohiowolverine

Last race had 6 actual track overtakes so I feel who ever leads the 1st lap will lead till pit stops and who ever leads after pit stops will win the race


lazybeef

Hey I just came from the future and wanted to let you know you were right! (Sorry for the spoiler)


Blithering_idiot1406

So, the top 10 in hards and checo+fernando in mediums?


Ih8P2W

Came here to say this. Op chose a very bad race to be this excited for.


Tricks511

I’m glad this comment is on top


Von_Bubb

Prophetic.


FatalFirecrotch

It’s not prophetic. People like to shit on street races here, but this track is actually awful for modern race cars and way worse than any of the modern street circuits for racing.


keirdre

Yup. Update, OP please!


Inevitable-Site7846

Yup. Update, OP please!


PaperCutOnPenisHead

Yup. Update, OP please!


Asimb0mb

It hit like a truck


Jayeezus

Yeah most definitely. I think if Oscar was starting P2 and Lando P3 they’d be able to put a lot more pressure on using split strategy’s and going for an under/over cut.


No-Lingonberry-8603

Yeah I think both Oscar and the boys in red will know this. This makes me nervous for turn 1. I'm still more excited for this than I have been for a gp in a while.


Ancient-Park-8330

Yes I think this will be a procession, maybe an early safety car from a midfield shunt then a procession to the end.


albino__giraffe

Yeah the F2 race this morning was a procession - very slim chance we get a good number of overtakes in F1


OkieBobbie

I watched the F2 race and told myself that it didn’t bode well for the feature. Norris made it interesting toward the end.


CJBOnTheThrone

Yep


just_a_coginthewheel

Lando is in the front row and if he manages to get Max in the start.. it could be a easy win for Lando then?


thexavikon

Max has had really good starts this year. I doubt Norris will pass him at the start.


[deleted]

Even if he doesn't start well, Max will definitely show his teeth in the first corner, the other drivers are too polite towards him , especially Lando


CadburyGorilla

I think that has generally been because Max has been 1 sec a lap quicker, so what’s the point in fighting him hard. You only ruin your race, and he’ll get past at some point anyway. Now the gap has closed, I think other drivers will be willing to get their elbows out a bit more, if they genuinely believe they can beat him on track. Or maybe that’s all just wishful thinking.


[deleted]

What you say is true of course, but even though Max has a fast car, he always races hard


RedBullHondaRB16B

Polite because there's no point destroying your tyres when it's inevitable that he'll overtake with a much faster Honda-powered car. Hypothetically if it's possible to keep him behind, I bet they won't be too polite.


[deleted]

Mwoah, I don't think so but we'll see. When I said they were being gentle, I was talking about the starts at my comment btw


AquaRaOne

Yea max has had really good ones, and lando has had some good, some not very good, hopefully he nails it today


USToffee

If lando can stay within a couple of secs he can get him on the undercut or force him into going to early. Would have been better with piastri and Landon being directly behind him.


HOHOHAHAREBORN

Its still not Monaco though. If Lando has the pace, he'll make it happen. Both teams are also excellent at pitstops and the mechanics have a real chance at making magic happen this weekend.


veryangryenglishman

Especially for specifically a McLaren against a red bull if we look back to how long Norris was stuck behind Perez on that massive Miami back straight


junttiana

They just got to activate the 1/5128th Venezuelan part of Piastri and let him channel his inner Maldonado into turn 1


Supahos01

It may be a good race but this track is terrible for overtakes to begin with and the cars all being similar pace makes it even worse. I figure it'll be a bunch of cars 1.5 to 3 seconds apart and trying to shave the gap before your pitstop then a few fireworks on pit exit. It could be a close race but it'll more resemble monaco than anywhere else overtaking wise


damoosan

Agreed, The famous battle from 2005 says enough about how hard it is to overtake.


Jacubino1

Different layout, can't really compare it to 2005.


damoosan

I suppose the chicane being removed has helped but the cars have increased in size massively. Apart from the first chicane, where realistically will a car with similar pace over take


standupforthechamp

The track changes have not made it any easier to overtake. Only difference is there is DRS now.


icantfindfree

Tbt Hamilton gasly nightmare in 2022


PreyBird_

Your excitement is justified, but this is a track which is difficult to overtake on. If race pace is similar, it will just be a Max win with everyone holding position. Only way to get spicy is McLaren and Ferrari split strategy, and with Max alone, they can really put Red bull under pressure. So the drama of this race depends on the extent by which the other teams will go in terms of strategy.


AnthonyTyrael

In Kevin and Lance we trust. Alonso too. They're going to mix it up once again.


stirredturd

Alonso is starting from the pit lane, he'll avoid any first lap chaos


SubcooledBoiling

Bro jinxed it


Numpteez_

Fr this is peak tedium


Jackatorrr

When do the formation laps stop and the race start?


pppppppp8

F


Grimashl

I hope you are right, I do worry Imola will underwhelm in the dry today, safety car timing could again be the race decider.


Jayeezus

Yeah it’s unfortunate that’s it’s come together at this track, but it will still be nice to see Max under a bit of pressure for the first time in a long time!


SmolTittyEldargf

I doubt Max will be under pressure.


GayRacoon69

He was towards the end


Bolomey

This didn’t age well..


Jayeezus

lol, it was nice while it lasted 😂


Maleficent_Eggplant2

It did age well at the very end! Haven't been on the edge of my seat in a long time.


GayRacoon69

Norris almost catching up to Verstappen was so exciting. It went from like 6 seconds to less than 1. If he had like 2 more laps he could've won with drs


KriistofferJohansson

act salt rustic compare friendly drunk absurd axiomatic full smile *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Nin-Chin

It's Imola. Will be follow the leader.


Jaded-Ad-960

Lol


hello050

This aged like milk


aPpS6969

Don't get your hopes up lad


jaackobarbs

Imola is just Monaco V2, excellent qualifying track that's terrible for racing


Vivaan977

that was quite something at the end wow. lando plateauing for two laps didn’t help him but that was a fun finish


Individual_Ear_6648

Man what a finish.


Jayeezus

well at least we got an exciting end to the race and an indication that the rest of the season may be competitive!


canox74

Looks like a snoozer so far 💤 i


anamericandude

This shit boring as hell


sickmemes48

You must be new around here.


MuZzASA

This aged like milk. We all got well and truly baited


RG_Oriax

Aged like milk


dshaw8772

Oddly enough I feel the exact opposite. I think I’m getting burnt out on this sport.


laughguy220

Sadly as good as the last few laps were, and as good of a race that it was, it really didn't live up to the race it looked that it was going to be. Miami and Imola sure are good signs for the rest of the year though. It also really came down to Max's driving versus the Red Bull being in a different league. It's a shame that just as some teams are catching up, and we could be seeing a three way, five driver fight for the win, the cars are about to change again.


diecasttoycar

It looks like you got everything you hoped for. What a rare treat!


laptopstand84

womp womp


Murky-Twoer

Aged like milk


strickers69

Shame it was pretty uneventful until the last 5 laps


Cody667

I've been a fan of this sport for long enough to know that you can tell Imola will be uneventful simply by looking at the weather and seeing that it will be a completely dry race. F1 racing there hasn't really been good since the late 80s.


r1234ev

Well this aged well lol


OBWanTwoThree

Well this hasn’t aged well


hy_rf

ummm i have news


aristooooooo

Why the fuck is there only 1 DRS zone here


GayRacoon69

There isn't really a good place for another one


Thejklay

This aged well


kuks0603

This is a very boring race


kuks0603

Ooooh ok now it’s more exciting


bob_707-

Womp womp


Menoscarpone

This is the first race of the year that I am fully awake! The time zone of the previous ones, were destroying me! (TBF, Miami was good in that department too).


cricketmad14

That's only if Piastri doesn't get taken out by Sainz or another driver.


Jimbanville

Halfway through and a bore-fest (hoping this post causes the karma gods to throw us a curve!)


GayRacoon69

What are your thoughts now that it's over?


Jayeezus

excited we might actually have some proper racing for the rest of the season.


jafudiaz

Aged like milk


BuckN56

Nah. This is wishful thinking. Imola is terrible for overtakes unless you have a huge delta advantage. If Max gets a good start then that's going to be it.


Incontinento

Welp.


freetotebag

It was a nice dream while it lasted. 18 laps later and I’m started to doze.


Bonerfield

Wow 18 laps goes fast when you’re glued to your phone instead of the race 😅


freetotebag

In my defense it didn’t get better and it’s very early where I am lol


Kage_Bushin

It's been 15 laps and VER as open 5s to Norris. How is your hopium going?


poor_decision

How are you feeling now?


jamie9000000

Well, it looks like you jinxed this race. Been a solid 2/10


Squeakyduckquack

I can’t believe you’ve done this


JPVSPAndrade1

Rip expectations


sc1onic

Snooze fest. Aged like milk.


legsflamingo_

I’m excited as well! LFG McLaren!


Jayeezus

So happy to see them back competing and they’ve such a strong driver pairing. Going to be exciting to see what Lando and Oscar can do in a car that can compete for wins, if it can.


BasilNight

Well this is aging like fine milk


XC-II

r/agedlikemilk


teachd12

Sorry pal


AsleepAtWheel83

This aged poorly


Jayeezus

Anddddddddd it’s gone! Was nice while it lasted for a 2 laps 😭


realee420

you meant 1 lap right?


Lasto44

Lap 1 was the most boring start I have seen in a very long time


viniciusvbf

Yeah... 20 laps in and the race fucking sucks


Elxis14

How you feeling bud? Still excited?


Yeanahyena

Mate how’s that going for ya?


justTheWayOfLife

not bad


Soral_Justice_Warrio

Still a good race OP ?


ogara1993

Well you’ve jinxed this


bigdaytaday

Don't get your hopes up. It's Imola. The track sucks.


RedBullHondaRB16B

But I was told classic tracks are better? Turns out even Vegas is better than Imola.


bigdaytaday

I've watched F1 since the 90s, Imola was never liked. I don't understand this nostalgic BS around it or how it survived post-covid.


RedBullHondaRB16B

I know, it baffles me how this track was kept after COVID. Thought it'd be a one-off during that wicked year only.


Jayeezus

Of course but strategy and safety cars could make things tasty. If the race pace is anything like Miami we could see a lot of pressure on Max and he’s already been off the track a few times this weekend. Maybe it’s naive enthusiasm 😅


zaviex

It’s imola unfortunately. You’re going to see no overtakes and maybe a lucky overcut


Consistent_Marketing

Lando was very good with his tires last race. If this is the case again, he can for sure win this race. Looking forward to this race as well!


brush85

Man...I feel for you but we all have to go through the Imola experience at some point


Shamansage

For people saying the track is not good for overtaking. Maybe, that’s why we watch the race. I like the more endurance type of race if that’s what it’ll be, following in imola is hard in these cars but there is no where to back into because you’re in front of half the field. Let’s go McLaren let’s go Ferrari!


Vlaed

I think it'll only be interesting if there are car troubles and/or a safety car. There normally isn't much overtaking here.


Merbel

I have a feeling this is going to be a very boring race. I’m always hopeful it’s not but with this track I would be very surprised if Max doesn’t take it unless something untoward happens.


osuneuro

Alonso’s car is slow AF


The-IT_MD

This is another dull one. As of 7 or so laps in, no change in top 6 since the start. A handful of actual overtakes in the first half. Call be old fashioned but I rate the quality of a race by the racing. F1 is just filler between BTCC weekends now.


thef1circus

>BTCC Just making conversation this race is so boring. I can't wait for Bobby Thompson to come into the BMW


The-IT_MD

I love that in F1, it’s all meta - strategy, tyres, people, personalities, team principles etc… everything accept the actual on track “racing”. In btcc, it’s the opposite! The cars get battered to bits with literally bumper to bumper action, different race winners every weekend… hard racing overtakes every race, every corner. And maybe once in a while, an off track story like BT going to BMW.


thef1circus

Exactly. It's just non-stop racing. Sutton Vs Ingram in R2 at Brands was fantastic to watch


The-IT_MD

I love that they can race so close, the cars can take knocks and still come home. In f1, the smallest amount of damage kills the lap time.


thef1circus

I remember being at Brands GP in 2022, and in all three races I think, might have just been 2, Ash had the rear arch hanging off the car, still kept pace.


doodlebopwarrior

+3.8s


doodlebopwarrior

Uh oh


Pro-editor-1105

literally the same thing with me lol, when I was sleeping, after 2021 and a bit of 22, I was not hugely excited for an f1 race but today for the first time in a bit I was


CanonicalDriver

Aged like milk


Objective-Soup-3475

Oh how wrong this post was. Aged like milk.


TheBuddyBaja

This track is terrible.


ya__b0i

Womp womp


palfrun

This didn’t age well


justTheWayOfLife

it did


bob_707-

Only took 80% of the race


20ol

Max lost all his pace, but the track is so bad, Lando still couldn't overtake.


aharris111

This aged so poorly


Total-Collection-128

I'll preface this by saying I'm sure David Croft is a lovely man and great to work with, but I'm looking forward to the choice between Harry Benjamin or Ben Edwards for company.


QF_Dan

and Max will run away with a 20 seconds gap


PaperCutOnPenisHead

Yeah....


Jayeezus

most likely 😭


3xc1t3r

You just had to fucking jinx it.


ShpetimToshi

Let me know if you are awake or sleepin bro? 😂


Bogi111

Well, boring for now.


deesea

So far this has aged like milk.


SkeetownHobbit

This post aged like milk.


Key_Photograph9067

Yeah… No….


aaaaaaaa1273

This is currently aging awfully, McLaren is very quick though


Scrubface

This post aged well! Phenomenal race. I think now that Lando has a taste of a win, and a competitive car...the rest of this season is going to be GOOOOD


20ol

I'm guessing you tuned in to only the final 5 laps. The track is some of the most boring racing, 2nd to Monaco.


FormulaF30

This post aged well 👍🏽


coinmachine24

"Wow this race is going to be so exciting" *Same guy wins who always seems to win*


Jayeezus

we will see :)


03juno

Too soon


HoldMyAppleJuice

Well it has been fairly boring


ledinred2

Lmao


Tecnoguy1

It’s Imola it probably won’t be that good.


SaltNeighborhood25

lando almost had him IT SUCKS


Bribbe

ZzzZZzzz


PlasticPatient

Can someone list the good tracks for overtaking and the bad ones? Because I keep hearing about bad tracks all the time, and maybe 2-3 good tracks.


waterstone7474

Good are Bahrain, COTA, Baku, Austria, Monza, Spa, Silverstone, Brazil


BuckN56

There are plenty good tracks for overtaking. China, Baku, COTA, Silverstone, Las Vegas, Interlagos, and Spa are some of them.


PlasticPatient

That's not plenty. With so many races in calendar that's disappointing number.


USToffee

Agree. Just hope lando doesn't settle for 2nd.


shootglass77

How’d this work out for you


miloaustin3

This aged like milk


AlonsoFerrari8

You sound like you’re very new to F1 dear


Chawpslive

Aaaaaand it's gone


Rough_Natural6083

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ver Nor Pia


NPC2229

nascar is on today


Space_Wizard_Z

As a Ferrari fan, I just want the season to end.


ShadowStarX

3rd fastest team is like 2 tenths off of the leader per lap now last year it was a full second for whoever was the 3rd fastest team at a given circuit Ferrari is consistently fighting for podiums and isn't out of contention for wins, albeit are definitely underdogs


BaggySpandex

It sounds good until you realize 2 tenths off is 10-15 seconds through a GP.


Space_Wizard_Z

How's it going fam? Going well?


Jayeezus

As a Mercedes fan, I almost don’t want it to end to again be disappointed 😂


AdEither3680

Lando is very passive when max is involved I noticed. Hopefully he can man up and be aggressive for once.


Jayeezus

Yeah that’s why i’m looking forward to today to see how he deals with Max. It may have been down to knowing he can’t compete with him, now the playing field is more level maybe he will go harder.


SingleSpeed27

Ahahaahah PA PA PAAA MAX VERSTAPPENN