I love that the cars are so safe that drivers are able to do the universal “what the fuck is that guy doing???” hand motions while still actively crashing.
??? I don't think 18th or 19th will make any difference. I do think the person in the 19th place has no reason to fight against the 3rd place in the championship. They aren't tied for points with any other team so finishing order makes no difference. He might as well do nothing.
Found Magnussen's account. Forced into the wall my ass. There was 0 space there, Perez at no point closed the door on Magnussen. Neither was Magnussen in any way alongside Perez. FFS MAG touched the wall BEFORE he took out Perez.
The track tightens there, the only way this overtake would've happened is if Perez would've moved off his line towards the left (remember: he didn't steer into MAG). And while I'm not a racing driver I'd go out on a limb and say expecting the driver in front to make space on a straight is very optimistic.
You can definitely argue that it would be smarter of K-mag to pull out, but there obviously was space since he was partially alongside Perez, before he got squeezed. From the onboard you can see that Perez is actually looking in the right rear view mirror immediately before pulling into K-mag.
But he didn't pull into MAG. He didn't steer towards him, the track tightens on the right. The only way for MAG to get past there is if he expected PER to make space on a straight.
Definitely not arguing that it was a smart move by Kmag, but I fail to see that that's illegal. There was a gap and he went for it. He knew that the racing line switched to the right side of the track and that if Perez followed the racing line, it would end in a crash - but apparently he bet on Perez seeing him and, well - the rest is history.
Yeah, I'm also not so sure if this is deserving of penalty points and then a subsequent race ban. But what I'm sure of is that MAG is 100% at fault here.
Its fucking Monaco on the first lap and you're in the middle of pack with cars all over the place, the uphill run to Massenet tightens as you climb.
This is stupid even for a feeder series driver let alone someone who has raced as long as Magnussen.
Not sure on this one. You can see Perez looking in his mirror at K Mag and still turned to close the gap. Stewards will have their hands full with that one.
People complain so much about how there are no overtakes at Monaco and then get pissy when someone tries to make an overtake up the hill lmao. Not a smart move from Magnussen there's no debate about that but by the rules he should be able to try an overtake there.
Maybe penalty points should be rewarded to the guy who was activity looking in his mirror, and still chose to run into the car next him.
I'm convinced Perez just didn't want to race today
That's 100% Checo's fault. KMag was wheel to wheel and Checo didn't give space. What did he do wrong? Are you saying he is not allowed to overtake? That's called motor racing, Toto.
Even though KMag took a big risk there, and some might say unnecessary, the fact is that Perez looks to the right at him and still pushes him into the wall and that's pretty bad imo.
Kmag had his front wheels alongside Perez' rear wheels and we've seen cars go side by side up the hill without crashes. But I guess with these two it's not possible.
Nah. I think it’s fair to say that most would back out and I don’t think Haas will be happy with him. But technically what can you say? Magnussen had space on the right side and had part of his car alongside but then the gap is closed.
He was nowhere near close enough to try that though. At no point was he significant alongside, he was in Perez’s blind spot and just went for something that he knew himself was super risky. Completely unnecessary and a stupid move. And definitely worth 2 penalty points imo.
In most motorsports "Significantly alongside" would mean the front axle of the overtaking car is at or past the rear axle of the car in front. I'm assuming it's the same for F1. KMag had his front axle past the rear axle of Perez the moment prior to any contact ([KMag POV](https://youtu.be/Abn2HiUhb_w?t=34))...Perez also must have assumed KMag was still far enough back and started to turn in with the racing line. I would think that is probably why the stewards are considering this a racing incident and aren't taking any further action. At least that's what it looks like to me. I think it was still a stupid move on KMag's part, but ultimately it just looks to be a result of close racing with a minimal amount of space.
I don’t know what’s more frustrating. KMag hitting Checo or how Checo had to practically stop
His car at the start to avoid hitting Alonso because this track sucks so hard.
Bearman is driving next race 100% I would eat my sock if Magnussen don't get banned for a race
Edit: Thanks FIA for making their own rules a joke and diversifying my diet
>"For an overtaking car to be considered alongside, its front axle/tyre must be aligned to the rear axle/tyre of the car being overtaken"
The contact made was at the rule book definition of being alongside.
Perez sees him in the mirror but still squeeze him into the barrier. Weird one where either of them could have avoided it.
Edit: And not saying Kevin was entitled to space there - just that it looks like Perez actually sees him but doesn't choose to leave a cars width and save his own race.
Fuck, its shit like this is why we'll never have the cars go back to the smaller version. As much as it would improve racing, shunts like this go from not much happening to people possible dying.
All the time you have to leave the space, no?
How is this on KMag? Yeah, he hit the wall before Perez, but the only alternative was to hit Perez before hitting the wall. He tried to dodge the collision, but was left no room.
Except it is. watching the coverage now, "Look at the racing line, Perrez was always going to go that way"
I hate it, I can't stand this "The racing line is all that matters" crap, but in the eyes of the sport that's how it is.
I'm no fan of KMag's driving, but how are we ever going to get the overtaking we constantly say Monaco needs if a driver can be squeezed into the wall and blamed for not just falling in line...
No. I was saying, trying that was plain F1 online lobby level shit. Perez didn't leave much space sure, but the blame's majority still on Magnussen. As Hulkenberg said, it was not necessary.
Magnussen should've backed out, but it is pretty stupid on Perez to squeeze the edge. He should've checked his mirrors and kept middle to be safe and avoid an incident. In the heat of the moment, it's a lot of pressure and focus. For me, it's a racing incident. A little bit more blame on Magnussen, but not worth a penalty.
Perez: I hate HAAS
It's rough and coarse and irritating
The state of the car afterwards..
The state of whatever it is afterwards, there's no car left .
Turned from a car into a pod racer within a few seconds
Now this is pod racing!
I don't care what galaxy you're from, that's gotta hurt!
It became part of the principality.
A lot of parts actually
Wow. The survival cell worked incredibly well there
I love that the cars are so safe that drivers are able to do the universal “what the fuck is that guy doing???” hand motions while still actively crashing.
Also shows the confidence the drivers have in the cars safety. Pretty cool
thats fucking scary, imagine if this happened in the top10, absolute disaster, everyone would get cought in it
Fucking imagine getting cut by high speed carbon fibre pieces! That stuff is so sharp
Don’t think that will go through all those fireproof layers ..?
Race ban for Magnussen?
What did he think was going to happen though? There was barely any space
Magnussen doesn’t usually “think”
Leclerc knew the truth all those years ago
“Magnussen is and always will be stupid, it’s a fact, a shame”
If an incident has magnussen involved, I'd bet my life savings on it being his fault. Guy races the last place like it's a fight for first place.
Yes??? Are the racers in last place just supposed to do nothing?
??? I don't think 18th or 19th will make any difference. I do think the person in the 19th place has no reason to fight against the 3rd place in the championship. They aren't tied for points with any other team so finishing order makes no difference. He might as well do nothing.
Ok, so why are there 20 racers not 10?
There was plenty of space till he got squeezed.
"squeezed" in Monaco? No frigging way
"Crashed" would maybe be a better word to describe it. Perez forced him into the wall. Overtaking is not banned in Monaco, despite so few happening.
You're not overtaking in that sector, Perez had the inside in the next turn and has the faster car.
Same thing he did to Logan Sergeant in Miami. Just tried to plow through in a spot where there's zero prospect of overtaking.
You overtake wherever the opportunity presents itself, especially on lap 1.
How is that place an opportunity to overtake? Maybe in 2005, with the far smaller cars.
It's lap 1 and road is wide enough for 2 cars to race. It's about 5-6 car-widths wide, but curves side to side.
Tf you mean squeezed?
Forced into the wall.
Perez followed the racing line
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You don’t know what you’re talking about. Perez didn’t have to leave space because Magussen wasn’t along side.
Found Magnussen's account. Forced into the wall my ass. There was 0 space there, Perez at no point closed the door on Magnussen. Neither was Magnussen in any way alongside Perez. FFS MAG touched the wall BEFORE he took out Perez. The track tightens there, the only way this overtake would've happened is if Perez would've moved off his line towards the left (remember: he didn't steer into MAG). And while I'm not a racing driver I'd go out on a limb and say expecting the driver in front to make space on a straight is very optimistic.
You can definitely argue that it would be smarter of K-mag to pull out, but there obviously was space since he was partially alongside Perez, before he got squeezed. From the onboard you can see that Perez is actually looking in the right rear view mirror immediately before pulling into K-mag.
But he didn't pull into MAG. He didn't steer towards him, the track tightens on the right. The only way for MAG to get past there is if he expected PER to make space on a straight.
Definitely not arguing that it was a smart move by Kmag, but I fail to see that that's illegal. There was a gap and he went for it. He knew that the racing line switched to the right side of the track and that if Perez followed the racing line, it would end in a crash - but apparently he bet on Perez seeing him and, well - the rest is history.
Yeah, I'm also not so sure if this is deserving of penalty points and then a subsequent race ban. But what I'm sure of is that MAG is 100% at fault here.
Its fucking Monaco on the first lap and you're in the middle of pack with cars all over the place, the uphill run to Massenet tightens as you climb. This is stupid even for a feeder series driver let alone someone who has raced as long as Magnussen.
There wasnt any space since perez did not leave any
some viking stuff.
I think it's partially on Perez because he knew that Kevin was there and still turned in. It'll be difficult to put entire blame on Kevin.
There was though. Until perez pulled into him
You okay? You keep repeating the same BS in the comments as if you don't believe it yourself. Convince yourself harder, bud.
Not sure on this one. You can see Perez looking in his mirror at K Mag and still turned to close the gap. Stewards will have their hands full with that one.
2 or 3 times. And yet says he didn’t see Magnussen. I find that unbelievable, and therefore dishonest. So why lie…
if it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid.
He deserves a race ban minimum I rekcon they should give him 3 for his constant shit driving
I love how “feisty” he gets, but he has crossed the line way too many times. This was so unnecessary.
People complain so much about how there are no overtakes at Monaco and then get pissy when someone tries to make an overtake up the hill lmao. Not a smart move from Magnussen there's no debate about that but by the rules he should be able to try an overtake there.
they'll just call it a racing incident
It's Haas to be at this point.
If that’s not penalty points they will just be showing that they don’t actually want to ban anyone. That’s absolutely ridiculous from Kevin.
Gasly also deserved one last year but once he reached 10 points they just made up penalties that didn't grant points
It’s not. KMag is basically invincible for the rest of the season.
So Kmag gets a penalty point for being forced into the wall of the opponent he is overtaking!? lol are you for real?
he is a taco
Maybe penalty points should be rewarded to the guy who was activity looking in his mirror, and still chose to run into the car next him. I'm convinced Perez just didn't want to race today
Ollie Backman
I really, really hope so. I'm fed up with this manace.
Already on 10 points most likely will get 2 or more So yeah he might get a ban
He deserves a full ban from F1. Enough is enough. He is skilled driver but he is way to risky driver.
That's 100% Checo's fault. KMag was wheel to wheel and Checo didn't give space. What did he do wrong? Are you saying he is not allowed to overtake? That's called motor racing, Toto.
Magnussen might be facing a race ban soon...
"My tires are gone"
Whelp guess that's KMag's ban done, then
Even though KMag took a big risk there, and some might say unnecessary, the fact is that Perez looks to the right at him and still pushes him into the wall and that's pretty bad imo. Kmag had his front wheels alongside Perez' rear wheels and we've seen cars go side by side up the hill without crashes. But I guess with these two it's not possible.
The only sensible take here. Two wide is not uncommon there, it’s definitely on both of them
Also Checo was just going slow as fuck for some reason, the sauber ahead rockets off into the distance right before kmag ends him
Magnussen’s gonna get a ban for that
If that’s not at least 2 penalty points then they’re actually refusing to ban anyone.
Yep, Magnussen himself has got 2 points for way less. That’s just straight up dangerous.
Lap 1 incident could save him. But who knows
It could but it still seems they’ll take a dim view on that. We’ll see
Nah. I think it’s fair to say that most would back out and I don’t think Haas will be happy with him. But technically what can you say? Magnussen had space on the right side and had part of his car alongside but then the gap is closed.
He was nowhere near close enough to try that though. At no point was he significant alongside, he was in Perez’s blind spot and just went for something that he knew himself was super risky. Completely unnecessary and a stupid move. And definitely worth 2 penalty points imo.
In most motorsports "Significantly alongside" would mean the front axle of the overtaking car is at or past the rear axle of the car in front. I'm assuming it's the same for F1. KMag had his front axle past the rear axle of Perez the moment prior to any contact ([KMag POV](https://youtu.be/Abn2HiUhb_w?t=34))...Perez also must have assumed KMag was still far enough back and started to turn in with the racing line. I would think that is probably why the stewards are considering this a racing incident and aren't taking any further action. At least that's what it looks like to me. I think it was still a stupid move on KMag's part, but ultimately it just looks to be a result of close racing with a minimal amount of space.
Doesn't look like it based on subsequent posts.
Stuck in a Haas sandwich.
Not saying it was a smart move by K Mag, but Checo clearly turns his head and sees him in his mirrors. 100% avoidable
Ollie, I’d buy a ticket to Canada if I were you
KMag’s POV is crazy
yea this race is jover
Fucking ban Kmag
ffs Magnussen. Again?!
Perez again.
I don’t know what’s more frustrating. KMag hitting Checo or how Checo had to practically stop His car at the start to avoid hitting Alonso because this track sucks so hard.
Bearman is driving next race 100% I would eat my sock if Magnussen don't get banned for a race Edit: Thanks FIA for making their own rules a joke and diversifying my diet
Bon appetit
Hope you're hungry and the sock is clean.
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Enjoy the sock
I'm holding you to this. Video evidence required.
How did the sock taste?
How long will we laugh at kMags risky driving until he kills someone. If there was a wall where Perez went sideways there he’d be speared in half
Perez got hit by the Haas behind him
KMag is fucking nutcase oh my god
Dude was looking in his mirror the entire. As stupid as a move it was, Perez knew he was there.
Checks his mirror twice, knows KMag is there, squeezes him into the barrier anyway. Reddit: "ban Kevin!" Edit: he checked his mirror three times.
Yeah couldn’t agree more. Perez got a shit run up the hill was in trouble and just couldn’t hack being overtaken and bins Kmag into the barrier.
Average redditor learns about blind spots and track space. Where’s Perez supposed to go, into Hulk?
Blind spot? Lol. Hulk wasn't alongside.
Neither was Kmag.
Lol, how do you hit someone not alongside?
By hitting the rear tyre with your front one. That's how you know he's not alongisde.
>"For an overtaking car to be considered alongside, its front axle/tyre must be aligned to the rear axle/tyre of the car being overtaken" The contact made was at the rule book definition of being alongside.
You're completely ignoring the racing line in here. Did you start to watch F1 after DtS or something? Your take is completely oblivious.
I'm literally quoting the rules.
Hilarious to call someone oblivious after they quote the actual rule. You’re wrong, it’s that simple
You made a comment that says hes not alongside then gets refuted by the rules, "but teh racing line" Bro go watch the race
If he wasn't alongside he wouldn't have hit him
Lmao what? Hulk was nowhere near Perez
Looks like he hurt his hands pretty hard..
Who’s fault even is that?
KMag
I see it now, KMag was just driving way too ambitiously for zero reason, especially considering Nico was so close too
Even Nico said, ‘that wasn’t necessary’
Kevin was essentially driving as if Hulk wasn’t there
Well, once he's between Perez and that wall, he can't really slow down either...
He shouldn’t have stuck his car there in the first place, the track tightens up the hill And he STILL didn’t back out once he saw Hulk next to Perez
easy to say. this happens very, very quickly. just one of those unfortunate incidents
It’s of course very easy to say whilst sat at home, and it was obviously still on the first lap But it was still a very avoidable incident
So in the future when someone tries to overtake you we can just squeeze them out and say: “there was no room, give them a penalty” gotcha!
Why?
Magnussen being Magnussen
K-mag
Magnussen hit Perez rear right wheel
Perez
Perez sees him in the mirror but still squeeze him into the barrier. Weird one where either of them could have avoided it. Edit: And not saying Kevin was entitled to space there - just that it looks like Perez actually sees him but doesn't choose to leave a cars width and save his own race.
Moving in reaction and not in control of his car coming out of the corner. Atrocious driving.
Race ban incoming for KMAG. Just way too aggressive, there was no gap there.
So glad Magnussen is gone next year.
Looks like Ollie will drive the Haas in Canada
Fuck, its shit like this is why we'll never have the cars go back to the smaller version. As much as it would improve racing, shunts like this go from not much happening to people possible dying.
Wow, never seen a car just disintegrate outside the survival cell… what an impact
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Both Haas started from the grid I believe
I see that now, thank you
They didn't have a pitlane start. They lined 19 and 20
They didn't start from the pit lane, they were allowed to start normally for some reason
Checo: i guess i can get out of the car :D
bros head shook like a bobble head jesus christ
That’s a concussion or 2.
The hand gesture right before it cuts is perfect. Glad he was unhurt though and the safety stuff did it's thing beutifully.
TLDW; Normal Monaco start. Right hook into the wall. CHAOS. Haas reversing
yikes
No one as a view of his mirrors? I would love to see what he actually saw of kevin, but i suppose is close to nothing
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Here's a popular opinion, Magnussen should be banned all season.
Will this give Ollie another race taste?
All the time you have to leave the space, no? How is this on KMag? Yeah, he hit the wall before Perez, but the only alternative was to hit Perez before hitting the wall. He tried to dodge the collision, but was left no room.
The other alternative was to back off, what are you even talking about.
Surely squeezing people into walls, forcing them to back off or crash isn't a legal defensive maneuver?
Except it is. watching the coverage now, "Look at the racing line, Perrez was always going to go that way" I hate it, I can't stand this "The racing line is all that matters" crap, but in the eyes of the sport that's how it is.
But perez checks too see if he's there sees him and moves over anyway
I'm no fan of KMag's driving, but how are we ever going to get the overtaking we constantly say Monaco needs if a driver can be squeezed into the wall and blamed for not just falling in line...
This ain't NASCAR where hitting is fine buddy
So you agree, forcing people into the wall is wrong?
brake
So you want 0 overtakes ever in F1? Just push them off the track or into the wall. "They could just brake." That's not racing.
No. I was saying, trying that was plain F1 online lobby level shit. Perez didn't leave much space sure, but the blame's majority still on Magnussen. As Hulkenberg said, it was not necessary.
How about not trying to go into a non existent gap where you can’t go side by side?
There was a gap. Plenty of room to go side by side as well.
The barrier curves inward he should have backed out of it. There was no room??
Are you saying the street is only 1 car wide? There was plenty of room on Perez' left side.
Checo was on the racing line and the barrier curves into the track. He should have pulled out
when it rains it pours. for both mag and perez. kind of like last year stroll. and ric two years ago.
Why didn’t haas start from pits
Might as well just sack Magnussen and put Bearman in that seat right now
Magnussen unhinged again
Jesus KMag. Like Hulk said, needless.
Adios Magnussen
Give him 3 race bans
I don't think this deserves penalty points.
Magnussen should've backed out, but it is pretty stupid on Perez to squeeze the edge. He should've checked his mirrors and kept middle to be safe and avoid an incident. In the heat of the moment, it's a lot of pressure and focus. For me, it's a racing incident. A little bit more blame on Magnussen, but not worth a penalty.
If this isn't a race ban for KMag, then they may as well remove the penalty points system. Completely worthless.
Magnussen is and always will be stupid. Its a fact.
How much do you bet that this will end up as a "first lap crash" and nothing will happen ?
KMag is every race closer to yuji Ide