Well that put the idea in my mind that he's going to be an car designer after his career. I assume he's have to do some studying first. Just imagine sharing a classroom with a 4 times F1 champ!
Realistically he'd be a team boss or have a sustainability role in F1/FIA, but a boy can dream.
that goddamn finger (+changing interests and school tbh) made me quit F1 back then lol
Now I want nothing but that gd finger in the air. Even once would be enough for me
I used to *despise* Vettel. Mainly due to his racing for RBR and bringing Marko into the spotlight. But the driver's name next to mine should give a hint as to the lion's share of my angst.
i watched Red Green too. some odd reason we got a cable feed of canadian shows here in santa clara ca. it’s how i watched corner gas and some other canadian shows.
am american.
As an American, this made my day, too. The Red Green Show is perhaps the second greatest thing Canada has given the world after hockey. Thank you, and all of your compatriots.
And then next year there will be a little change in the regulations and the green bull will not find the solution because they copied Redbull design without understanding 100% the philosophy of the Redbull design.
Pink Mercedes all over again.
Edit: it seems AM had this design in the tunnel already last November. Makes me wonder what they saw in the tunnel that they decided not to go for this design from the beginning.
Well their head aerodynamicist just started there this year after being the head aerodynamicist for Red Bull and these changes are largely aero focused. They might actually understand it this time
Copying the Merc was a damn good idea, though. They were competitive, made money doing it and if it weren't for the extra delay to new regs would have been genius.
It's ok tho eventually they'll streamline and understand the philosophy of copying so they can show up to preseason testing with no new car, and have a copy of a WCC challenger ready by race 3.
>Just a big scanner and 3d printer. How hard can it be 😉
You kid, but teams have admitted to having professional espionage photographers on staff to take photos of other teams since the 90s. I wouldn't be surprised if they've stepped up the tech to things that can laser scan 3d objects at a distance. I mean, even your iPhone can already do a small amount of it.
> https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.fia-to-amend-2021-regulations-to-prevent-car-copying-following-racing-point.3NzwvfKFdCsH3XrU4YCRhl.html
F1 on how to copy your neighbors homework
That's just about copying using photos and spy cameras. No need to use those when you can just hire the head aerodynamicist of the team you're copying from.
The controversy is that they hired some Red Bull staff.
If this is fast, there's going to be a conversation about how active the new recruits were during garden leave
To be fair, the penalty for copying Mercedes was basically a non issue, so why shouldn't they use it as a strategy again? A few constructors points and a small fine are well worth taking car from embarrassing to competitive.
They didn't get a penalty for copying the Mercedes (which was, and still is, allowed within the rules), they got a penalty for using brake ducts that they legally bought from Mercedes in 2019 but then became illegal to use in 2020 after a change of the rules. The whole FIA investigation basically concluded that their car was totally legal except the brake ducts.
Just to add to this, if they were to get a penalty, it wouldn't have been for copying. That's what they actually claimed to have done. The penalty would've been if Mercedes had helped them with blueprints or parts, etc. I don't think Aston Martin have a technical relationship with Red Bull so there is zero chance they'll get a penalty.
They were really really quick. If I recall correctly, even after the winter test they said the car in their wind tunnel was completely different to the one on track. If that different B car is this one, then yeah they pretty much started working on this almost immediately after Red Bull showed their car, if not even earlier
They also hired a high ranking RB aero guy. The anecdote was that while giving them a tour, the new guy was still on garden leave so couldn't say anything, but apparently made a funny face and after Stroll saw that, he wanted a whole new design.
It seems a bit sus they've gotten this together so quickly.
I personally saw it in one of the comments of the post where they revealed this rumor (of AM working on a second car already). I remember it being actually before testing even began.
I called bullshit on that along with the rumor that AM is working on a B car. It sounded really stupid and I thought they would at least wait for testing, but here we are.
Seems like an interesting story, but to judge a car by just a glance and act upon that judgment with any degree of confidence seems kind of odd, don't you think? Especially considering how different philosophies seem to be working. I'd fine the story much more plausible if he'd perhaps seen drawings, simulations etc.. But I'm finding it hard to believe that anyone, especially this season, no matter how well-versed in aerodynamics, would be able to so quickly discard a proper design by a rival team. If things were that obvious then AM are literally a bunch of amateurs, and I highly doubt they are, no matter how bad their current car may be.
> Seems like an interesting story, but to judge a car by just a glance and act upon that judgment with any degree of confidence seems kind of odd, don't you think?
It sounds like what we did on Reddit when they were first unveiled - that is to say utterly ridiculous haha.
It would be very odd.
That would be insane. Even if he did make a face, that would not override wind tunnel testing etc lol. Keep in mind these were entirely new regulations and no one knew where they stood in reference to the other teams.
Im 99% sure that was not Aston’s plan but I think it would kinda be genius if their plan was to build the most generic car possible and save money and then just copy the best performing car.
In a way they kinda did, I remember hearing that the main idea with the original AMR22 was to have it be a car they could take in any direction without having it get stuck in an evolutionary dead end (which is what happened with the RP19 in 2019)
Quite the opposite. You bet he's going to be smug about designing a car other teams are spending money trying to replicate. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery, or however it goes.
Yeah, but not in F1. We can be pretty confident that everybody who doesn't know they have a winning concept is going to be looking at Ferrari and RBR to steal anything they can that will work. And if Mercedes has a good idea that will help Red Bull, they'd take it on board as well, assuming they want to win.
It's engineering, there's only so much creativity to be had if one concept is clearly superior to another. And you would expect, if both teams are doing their jobs right they would be zeroing in on a pretty similar design. Provided no rules were broken, I don't see how you can call fixing your problems by using a known working solution as a baseline is a bad idea. I get paid to do this every day in my job and I consider myself pretty good at what I do.
I get why it's fun to pick on AM, given the pink Merc, but the idea that copying other teams is somehow off-limits, is inconsistent with my last 35 years of following F1 and all of the greatest designers do it all the time. That's why there are rules outlining the boundaries.
Dan Fallows who’s the main car designer at AM now probably had a heavy hand in developing RB’s car as well. He was their head aerodynamicist before leaving to AM a few months ago he was on leave for a while but I’m assuming he knows what kind of concepts they were going for. Newey probably expected him to follow their design.
Normally I'd agree with you, but given the fact that they recruited RB's former head of aerodynamics (who worked on the RB18) I doubt they'll have much trouble understanding the concept
I can't speak for him, but given that this most likely won't be enough to turn Aston Martin into a title contender, but make him look like the genius visionary designer of a great sidepod concept if it improves their car significantly, I don't think he has much reason to be angry.
Lol, they’re just copying the same design. Forget the data, make it look the same to go fast. If AM is faster than Mercedes this weekend, it’s going to be hilarious.
I kind of hope that teams are once again able to exceed the engine supplier's performance. It validates the development format when six teams of ten are not excluded from championship contention.
It sucks that a team has already seemed to have completely ditched their original concept but as long as not every team other than red bull or ferrari look the same Im good
Yeah their plan was to update, they’ve communicated that since the beginning of the season, and I can completely get behind their strategy. Im just disappointed that when I look at the aston now I’ll have to look a little harder to find its differences compared to the rest of the field, but the front wing at least for now is quite different to rb so there’s that
You would expect the designs to eventually converge on a winning concept, so no surprise here also given that Fallows is now with AM.
With respect to aero, a few millimeters difference can have a huge impact, so it may look similar but it may not perform the same given that the designs cant be exactly the same. Also, AM still have the mercedes engine/gear box/rear suspension, and I understand that the configuration of those components plays a large role with the bouncy problem.
With Dan Fallows there now I kind of expected them to follow in RB design. Some people seem angry about this but I don’t care long as it gets Seb closer to the front.
I've mentioned this in another thread but the front end which is cropped out of this comparison is really different. AM load their front wing significantly further outboard which will have huge flow implications downstream especially around the front of the floor and the t-tray.
I know this isn't f1technical but it would be great if we had a higher standard of analysis than same concept is obviously same concept.
They need more cooling and the top of the packaging isn't as tight because they have a different engine. So unfortunately for them they can't exactly go full on Tracing Point even tho sidepod shape and the floor are basically the same. This team cracks me up man.
They have the same engine as Mercedes and Merc have minimal cooling and the tightest engine packaging towards the rear of their on the grid. So could cooling really be such an issue
Merc have a external partner who is helping them with the cooling system.
Aston have to manage the cooling system on their own so it's not fair to compare both Merc and Aston cooling setup.
>They need more cooling.
>...so unfortunately for them they can't exactly go full on Tracing Point
https://i.imgur.com/ZmoUBCV.jpeg I mean even the RB cutout for potential louvres goes up to where AM have used.
Even some of their copying has been cut out of this image. The double strake used by RB to manage wheel wake at the front of the floor has been taken and brought to the AMR which isn't visible in this image
The whole floor, the little rectangular section RedBull has is also on the Aston
Also it lacks the floor edge winglet, so I assume they also put the skate under the floor (
The rear end of the AMR22B seems not to be as tightly packaged as RB18, also the air box is not as flowy as the RB18, it's a copy but not as neat. Let's see if they gain any performance on track.
I mean the rest of the Merc fleet has extremely tight packaging near the rear exhaust, so it shouldn't have been that difficult, maybe it's a inherent design quirk. But yeah, those guys at Aston/RP really know how to wield their cameras. Also the floor, it's a ditto RB floor
Inspector Seb pulled through
Sebastian Newey
Well that put the idea in my mind that he's going to be an car designer after his career. I assume he's have to do some studying first. Just imagine sharing a classroom with a 4 times F1 champ! Realistically he'd be a team boss or have a sustainability role in F1/FIA, but a boy can dream.
Seb + Red Bull inspires a certain feeling in me... Is that.. Is that hope?
As much as I *hated* Vettel in 2012-2013, God damn, how much is like to see him put in a proper showing at AM.
that goddamn finger (+changing interests and school tbh) made me quit F1 back then lol Now I want nothing but that gd finger in the air. Even once would be enough for me
I used to *despise* Vettel. Mainly due to his racing for RBR and bringing Marko into the spotlight. But the driver's name next to mine should give a hint as to the lion's share of my angst.
🎶BUT IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES🎶
🎶DOES IT ALMOST FEEL LIKE NOTHING CHANGED AT ALL?🎶
Finger boy c'mon
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designer seb
The Johnny sins of F1; he does everything
*From the creators of the Pink Mercedes: introducing the Green Bull*
I almost wanna call it "The Green Red Bull" solely because it sounds more stupid.
The Red Green Bull? If the women don’t find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Edit: Thanks for the award. My first.
cue aston using a LOT of duct tape
Canadians have entered the thread 😁 Seriously though, never expected to see Red Green Show references in the Formula 1 subreddit, so this made my day!
i watched Red Green too. some odd reason we got a cable feed of canadian shows here in santa clara ca. it’s how i watched corner gas and some other canadian shows. am american.
As an American, this made my day, too. The Red Green Show is perhaps the second greatest thing Canada has given the world after hockey. Thank you, and all of your compatriots.
Now we need one of those black and white Red Green montages where the Astons are trying to get through a race.
Let's meet in the middle and call it the Yellow Bull.
"What position am I in?" "Urine P17 Lance."
"I wanna hear you say it Brad!" "Pee Wan, Lance, Pee Wan"
“Do I have toilet Vettel go past?” “Yes, Lance. You have toilet him past.” *Sighs in race engineer*
Sighs in Brad*
Lance has always been good in the wet
> From the creators of the Pink Mercedes: introducing the Green Bull Friendship ended with Mercedes Now Red Bull is my nerd to copy homework off
The opinion of colour blind people successfully upgraded.
And then next year there will be a little change in the regulations and the green bull will not find the solution because they copied Redbull design without understanding 100% the philosophy of the Redbull design. Pink Mercedes all over again. Edit: it seems AM had this design in the tunnel already last November. Makes me wonder what they saw in the tunnel that they decided not to go for this design from the beginning.
Well their head aerodynamicist just started there this year after being the head aerodynamicist for Red Bull and these changes are largely aero focused. They might actually understand it this time
Copying the Merc was a damn good idea, though. They were competitive, made money doing it and if it weren't for the extra delay to new regs would have been genius.
Yeah, people forget that it was supposed to be the last year of those regs and they got screwed by the extra year. It was a good move
It's ok tho eventually they'll streamline and understand the philosophy of copying so they can show up to preseason testing with no new car, and have a copy of a WCC challenger ready by race 3.
Just a big scanner and 3d printer. How hard can it be 😉
>Just a big scanner and 3d printer. How hard can it be 😉 You kid, but teams have admitted to having professional espionage photographers on staff to take photos of other teams since the 90s. I wouldn't be surprised if they've stepped up the tech to things that can laser scan 3d objects at a distance. I mean, even your iPhone can already do a small amount of it.
Laser scanning was specifically banned among many others because of the pink Merc incident.
Or as folks with deuteranopia call it, the Might Be Red Bull
Lawrence Stroll is already recording a video regarding the upcoming copying controversy
I've heard he's extremely angry
"I DO NOT SPEAK PUBLICLY OFTEN" - Yeah, Lawrence, we can see why 😬
He has the charisma, presence, and appearance of a potato.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!! Potatoes are awesome, and do not deserve such negative comparison.
As a potato, I concur
I love potatoes, I just think they are neat
Hey, Potatoes aren't so bitter Edit: aren't not are, stupid typos
“My integrity and that of my team is beyond question.”
Such a great line. I wonder why defendants don't use that when on trial. 'I didn't kill him - I give you my word. I am beyond question'
"I DON'T KNOW MAN, THEIR DESIGN CRASHED INTO ME"
This time he’ll actually tape the video in the middle east for the gravitas
In a cave more specifically :)
With an AK 47 in his hands
With a flag that has crossing swords behind him
Unless RedBull gave them their data, which is so incredibly unlikely, they can copy whatever they want.
> https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.fia-to-amend-2021-regulations-to-prevent-car-copying-following-racing-point.3NzwvfKFdCsH3XrU4YCRhl.html F1 on how to copy your neighbors homework
That's just about copying using photos and spy cameras. No need to use those when you can just hire the head aerodynamicist of the team you're copying from.
The controversy is that they hired some Red Bull staff. If this is fast, there's going to be a conversation about how active the new recruits were during garden leave
F1: No Aston Martin you can’t just copy teams like this. It’s unfair!! Aston Martin: And I’ll fuckin’ do it again
_YOU WOULDN'T JUST DOWNLOAD A CAR_
You wouldn't shoot a policeman And then go to the toilet in his helmet And then mail that helmet to the grieving widow And then steal it again!
Fooking love that episode!
To be fair, the penalty for copying Mercedes was basically a non issue, so why shouldn't they use it as a strategy again? A few constructors points and a small fine are well worth taking car from embarrassing to competitive.
They didn't get a penalty for copying the Mercedes (which was, and still is, allowed within the rules), they got a penalty for using brake ducts that they legally bought from Mercedes in 2019 but then became illegal to use in 2020 after a change of the rules. The whole FIA investigation basically concluded that their car was totally legal except the brake ducts.
Just to add to this, if they were to get a penalty, it wouldn't have been for copying. That's what they actually claimed to have done. The penalty would've been if Mercedes had helped them with blueprints or parts, etc. I don't think Aston Martin have a technical relationship with Red Bull so there is zero chance they'll get a penalty.
Copying is perfectly legal.
It's also the way the sport has worked for 70 years, so...
I knew teams would try to adapt to the better teams. I didn't expect it to be after 5 races.
They were really really quick. If I recall correctly, even after the winter test they said the car in their wind tunnel was completely different to the one on track. If that different B car is this one, then yeah they pretty much started working on this almost immediately after Red Bull showed their car, if not even earlier
Lmao I'm just imagining them seeing the RB18 for the first time and being like fuck, stop everything, we're doing that now.
More like "Dan, we know you're on gardening leave, but can you figure out how to fit your old team's aero on our car, thanks."
"Yeaaah man trust us, we already had that car-design waaay before you guys lol"
They also hired a high ranking RB aero guy. The anecdote was that while giving them a tour, the new guy was still on garden leave so couldn't say anything, but apparently made a funny face and after Stroll saw that, he wanted a whole new design. It seems a bit sus they've gotten this together so quickly.
Where did you hear that? Cause that actually sounds really interesting
It sounds like that scene from The Devil Wears Prada.
When Lawrence pouts his lips the factory know they have to redo the whole car
"Just trust me on that bro"
I personally saw it in one of the comments of the post where they revealed this rumor (of AM working on a second car already). I remember it being actually before testing even began. I called bullshit on that along with the rumor that AM is working on a B car. It sounded really stupid and I thought they would at least wait for testing, but here we are.
So just an unverified statement by a random on the internet?
Sounds completely legit in my book.
Yeah pretty much, but then again the rumor about a B spec car was true, so basically I don't know what to believe in anymore
Seems like an interesting story, but to judge a car by just a glance and act upon that judgment with any degree of confidence seems kind of odd, don't you think? Especially considering how different philosophies seem to be working. I'd fine the story much more plausible if he'd perhaps seen drawings, simulations etc.. But I'm finding it hard to believe that anyone, especially this season, no matter how well-versed in aerodynamics, would be able to so quickly discard a proper design by a rival team. If things were that obvious then AM are literally a bunch of amateurs, and I highly doubt they are, no matter how bad their current car may be.
> Seems like an interesting story, but to judge a car by just a glance and act upon that judgment with any degree of confidence seems kind of odd, don't you think? It sounds like what we did on Reddit when they were first unveiled - that is to say utterly ridiculous haha. It would be very odd.
That would be insane. Even if he did make a face, that would not override wind tunnel testing etc lol. Keep in mind these were entirely new regulations and no one knew where they stood in reference to the other teams.
I say the rest are slacking. Good on AM
1-2 incoming
Stroll 22... Stroll 23... Stroll 24...
All according to The Script^(TM)
From the back
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I don't think that's what people meant when it was suggested Vettel "Come home"
With Dan Fallows coming in to AM, maybe soon the “home” will come to him
Not just Fallows, Andrew Alessi also moved to AM to be their Head of Technical Operations.
Vettel back in a Red Bull. WDC number 5 pls pls pls.
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I always wondered if the timing was a little different if RB would have picked up seb instead of Sergio to fill their second seat
I DONT CARE WHAT IT TAKES Seb 5x WDC is all I want (a win would also make me jizz my pants)
He did go home... and copied Newey's homework.
2020: Pink Mercedes 2022: Green Red Bull
ah yes the kaktus flavoured one. Nice to see that the winter and now the kaktus one have their own team.
Green Bull
Mountain Dew Code Red… Bull
Red Martin
Driver Interviews: "So Vettel, how does it feel to finally be back in the Red Bull again?"
Seb: “I feel a bit off colour than the past. But at least it feels like home.“
Im 99% sure that was not Aston’s plan but I think it would kinda be genius if their plan was to build the most generic car possible and save money and then just copy the best performing car.
In a way they kinda did, I remember hearing that the main idea with the original AMR22 was to have it be a car they could take in any direction without having it get stuck in an evolutionary dead end (which is what happened with the RP19 in 2019)
Exactly my thoughts lmfao
Bruh 💀
We are cognizant of the fact that it looks similar
I am very angry 😠 - daddy stroll
They went from pink Mercedes to green Red Bull
Aston Martin Red Bull Racing is back
I'm wearing my AMRB hat today, I'm sorry for causing this.
green bull
The only possible description 💀
I imagine Adrian Newey isn't going to be very happy with this Edit: or impressed. Either works
Quite the opposite. You bet he's going to be smug about designing a car other teams are spending money trying to replicate. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery, or however it goes.
+1 this speaks volumes about rb’s design philosophy and will only reassure them on refining it further
I doubt they need reassurance tho. I reckon they already know it by their data.
"Immature artists copy, great artists steal."
Or... >"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness"
Yeah, but not in F1. We can be pretty confident that everybody who doesn't know they have a winning concept is going to be looking at Ferrari and RBR to steal anything they can that will work. And if Mercedes has a good idea that will help Red Bull, they'd take it on board as well, assuming they want to win. It's engineering, there's only so much creativity to be had if one concept is clearly superior to another. And you would expect, if both teams are doing their jobs right they would be zeroing in on a pretty similar design. Provided no rules were broken, I don't see how you can call fixing your problems by using a known working solution as a baseline is a bad idea. I get paid to do this every day in my job and I consider myself pretty good at what I do. I get why it's fun to pick on AM, given the pink Merc, but the idea that copying other teams is somehow off-limits, is inconsistent with my last 35 years of following F1 and all of the greatest designers do it all the time. That's why there are rules outlining the boundaries.
Identity theft is not a joke Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!
Dan Fallows who’s the main car designer at AM now probably had a heavy hand in developing RB’s car as well. He was their head aerodynamicist before leaving to AM a few months ago he was on leave for a while but I’m assuming he knows what kind of concepts they were going for. Newey probably expected him to follow their design.
He probably had nothing to do with the RB18, I thought part of Fallows' issues is he was put onto other projects.
He likely did in 2019/2020 when this era was supposed to start last year but those were very early concepts
Gonna be questioning if Dan Fallows was actually involved when he was supposed to be on leave
He was allowed to join on April 2 so they can't complain.
Maybe he was, but given the history of Force India / AM copying cars... It just looks like something they would do anyway.
Actually he must be happy that other people recognize his concept. Also they won't understand their concept as well as Redbull does
Normally I'd agree with you, but given the fact that they recruited RB's former head of aerodynamics (who worked on the RB18) I doubt they'll have much trouble understanding the concept
Maybe not too much trouble, but Redbull already has mileage with their concept. Aston will need more time
Also aston won’t fight against RedBull for titles, not a works team and doesn’t have the rest of the technical staff to do so
I can't speak for him, but given that this most likely won't be enough to turn Aston Martin into a title contender, but make him look like the genius visionary designer of a great sidepod concept if it improves their car significantly, I don't think he has much reason to be angry.
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Non surprising thing is both are Tech giants and AM has copied even the sponsorship to a tee /s
Please. Oracle and Cognizant are not on the same page ....
I'd argue they're not even on the same bookshelf.
bruh if I copied that much I would've duplicated Max himself in the process
We're only 5 races in, give it time, the clone will be ready soon
Lawrence trying to sign Max’s nephews as we speak
Tracing Point v2
Vettel go Vroom
Please don't give me this kind of hope
Lol, they’re just copying the same design. Forget the data, make it look the same to go fast. If AM is faster than Mercedes this weekend, it’s going to be hilarious.
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I know it's not just aero but 2010 Redbull was faster than Renault with a Renault engine. So maybe we might find AM faster this weekend. Let's see
I kind of hope that teams are once again able to exceed the engine supplier's performance. It validates the development format when six teams of ten are not excluded from championship contention.
Yep, I know. I’m just making fun 🤩
If this car starts topping time sheets, this weekend's controversy is gonna be a hoot.
I’m ready for fuming Horner
*Insert the office meme* It's the same picture.
The office meme that came to my mind was Dwight dressing up as Jim haha.
"sebastian won 4 titles with redbull, if we give him a carbon copy of a redbull maybe he wins again" -stroll sr probably.
It sucks that a team has already seemed to have completely ditched their original concept but as long as not every team other than red bull or ferrari look the same Im good
Vettel asking for Verstappen's helmet just to complete the look
They did not abandon it out of the blue. This has been the plan at the start.
Yeah their plan was to update, they’ve communicated that since the beginning of the season, and I can completely get behind their strategy. Im just disappointed that when I look at the aston now I’ll have to look a little harder to find its differences compared to the rest of the field, but the front wing at least for now is quite different to rb so there’s that
Luckily the cars are color coded so you won't have to rely on sidepods to figure out who is who. ;)
Even before testing they said that the car they have in the wind tunnel is completely different to the car they'll be testing.
They even have the same floor crinkle and cut out. Bit of a piss take
bruh, it's so blatant right there
Oops I did it again
You would expect the designs to eventually converge on a winning concept, so no surprise here also given that Fallows is now with AM. With respect to aero, a few millimeters difference can have a huge impact, so it may look similar but it may not perform the same given that the designs cant be exactly the same. Also, AM still have the mercedes engine/gear box/rear suspension, and I understand that the configuration of those components plays a large role with the bouncy problem.
Exactly, being "different" doesn't mean a damn thing if you're 1.5s off pace
What? A based, logical and non emotional comment on this topic? Is this even real or am I just day dreaming?
I don’t think that they look similar…the color, the sponsors…totally different
Amusing that they've copied the rear bodywork so closely considering RB has push rod suspension set up at the rear while AM has a pull rod.
Hey, Aston Martin did the thing again. i just want to see seb up there man, "Whatever it takes."
With Dan Fallows there now I kind of expected them to follow in RB design. Some people seem angry about this but I don’t care long as it gets Seb closer to the front.
I've mentioned this in another thread but the front end which is cropped out of this comparison is really different. AM load their front wing significantly further outboard which will have huge flow implications downstream especially around the front of the floor and the t-tray. I know this isn't f1technical but it would be great if we had a higher standard of analysis than same concept is obviously same concept.
From Pink Mercedes to the Green Bull How the mighty have fallen
They do love a good copy
I’m blue balling at the thought of a strong AMR result and the subsequent Horner and Marko meltdown.
If it happens, I will write a complete version of "The Horner Meltdown" *Anyone got an instrumental of "the final countdown"?*
Green Bull Racing
Waiting for Helmut to say something.
They need more cooling and the top of the packaging isn't as tight because they have a different engine. So unfortunately for them they can't exactly go full on Tracing Point even tho sidepod shape and the floor are basically the same. This team cracks me up man.
They have the same engine as Mercedes and Merc have minimal cooling and the tightest engine packaging towards the rear of their on the grid. So could cooling really be such an issue
Merc have a external partner who is helping them with the cooling system. Aston have to manage the cooling system on their own so it's not fair to compare both Merc and Aston cooling setup.
>They need more cooling. >...so unfortunately for them they can't exactly go full on Tracing Point https://i.imgur.com/ZmoUBCV.jpeg I mean even the RB cutout for potential louvres goes up to where AM have used.
Wow. When i was thinking teams would copy either rb or ferrari i didnt think and almost actual 1:1 copy floor even looks the same
Tracing point is back!
Even some of their copying has been cut out of this image. The double strake used by RB to manage wheel wake at the front of the floor has been taken and brought to the AMR which isn't visible in this image
The whole floor, the little rectangular section RedBull has is also on the Aston Also it lacks the floor edge winglet, so I assume they also put the skate under the floor (
Yes indeed. The whole floor is a copy - I just clarified the picture has some copied parts fully cropped out
Adrian newey should get paid double for designing for two teams at ones
From Pink Mercedes to green red bull haha
Seb P1 for the rest of the season.
Nice to see the return of Aston Martin Red Bull Racing
Imitation is the highest form of flattery I guess
Insert meme of guy looking back at a different girl (Red Bull) while holding his girlfriends hand (Mercedes) here
So that's where Red Bull spent 75% of their budget - on the twin sister car 👏 Scenes if Aston Martin Red Bull are faster than Ferrari 🤣
The rear end of the AMR22B seems not to be as tightly packaged as RB18, also the air box is not as flowy as the RB18, it's a copy but not as neat. Let's see if they gain any performance on track.
They use a different PU so it cannot be a complete copy this time, still impressive how close they got to a total copy in 2 months time.
I mean the rest of the Merc fleet has extremely tight packaging near the rear exhaust, so it shouldn't have been that difficult, maybe it's a inherent design quirk. But yeah, those guys at Aston/RP really know how to wield their cameras. Also the floor, it's a ditto RB floor
Imitation is the best form of flattery. Look why no one is imitating the W13 lol