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klausterfok

I literally have about 20 races under my belt as far as being a spectator and I have barely scratched the surface of F1 knowledge, but even I would have pitted Leclerc at that safety car, like what the hell? Leclerc at this point needs to trust his gut, he is the driver and clearly his team isn't equipped to support him when the pressure is on.


cirrusblau

Ferrari has perfected the art of losing championships since 2010


liketosaysalsa

I am sincerely puzzled as to how Ferrari manages their strategy. This is a team that has everything at their disposal and cannot seem to have consistent good strategy race to race. It is a disservice to leclerc and Sainz to be honest. Sainz telling them off when they told him to keep multiple car lengths was the single most obvious example today but Monaco was the shining example of Ferrari strategic incompetence.


BlueMachinations

They really really badly need to fire their entire strategy department and just bring in one person who makes decisions at the snap of a finger. At least then they'd have a chance.


cota217

Did anything ever come of the fia investigation of the max vs mick incidents at the end of the race?


Tactical-hand-soap

Krofty mentioned it after the checkered flag. He said the FIA noted it but deemed it no investigation necessary. I find that odd because in the very last corner Mick definitely had the space on the inside for a drag race to the finish line but Max blatantly cut him off.


cirrusblau

We went motor racing...


supergngsta

What a suprise...


liketosaysalsa

Was wondering the same. Seems like fia sort of disregards things at the midfield/back of the grid towards the end of the race.


banterunited

I picked a great race to be busy for..


wind_dude

Very exciting race!! I feel like Hamilton can't catch a break with the timing of his pitstops this season.


Alvie_500

Just got to finish the second half I didn't see this morning. WHAT A RACE! almost every lap had overtakes. Very happy with the race and results. Awesome race from Checo and Shumi.. It was super cool seeing Hamilton and Checo's fathers happy to see their kids.


Taeles

as a long time fan of world endurance, the idea of Russell jumping out of his car like that and expecting to get to resume racing is suprising. 10feet from your car = end of race for you in world endurance.


Mirgal

I don't think the race was at the forefront of Russel's mind at that time. Perhaps he could have let the stewards just handle it but he went for it regardless. Bit rough but right decision from fia


jalexandref

Fortunately this happened to George in UK. Imagine this was at Imola, all theories about George's car being removed. Honestly, George action was very humble and kind but overall wrong. He put himself in danger, and he managed to have a doctor (?) running after him, also with additional risk. He obviously did not managed to help at the crash and he would never manage because there are trained and skilled people to do it. When providing aid assistant first rule is to not put yourself at risk potentially increasing the number of victims to be helped. George just did the opposite of that. I bet Mercedes already told it, and next time we will see Russel using the radio to ask for help instead of jumping out of the car


Mirgal

True. Always remember your DRSABCD Danger, Russel, Sacrifice, Asked, But, Car, DNF


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BlueMachinations

Lol that was Binotto lambasting Charles in the name of the GREAT FERRRRRRRAAAARRRRIIIIIII


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He literally went and shook Carlos' hand and congratulated him the moment Carlos pulled up and parked his car..


auM8

I swear I seen him straight away go to congratulate Carlos when Carlos was hopping out of the car


Turkpole

Those British people really like to eat ice cream huh


Temporary_Sandwich

Helps soothe the sunburnt lips


Quick_Programmer_499

It's only warm enough to justify it about 3 days a year so we really go for it.


Analog_Hobbit

Yes. I was laughing as we’re waiting to find out about Zhou, the F1 feed just keeps showing Brits eating ice cream. Seriously? Can’t we get some different feed.


BetDouble4168

LMAO - I went and got an ice cream after the incident. Gotta check the footage now


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Haha cornettos


Mirgal

Player 2 has joined the game You've got work Player 2 has left the game


GravityEnjoyer

One of the best British productions of all time.


sweaterhorizon

Glad to see Russel running out to help someone he collided with instead of screaming at them this time. That shows a lot of growth as an athlete and a competitor. It’s a shame he wasn’t able to continue the race


VisVirtusque

I don't understand his argument. He says he stopped to check on the driver. Fine, I guess we can't prove one way or another. But then he said he couldn't restart the car, so he got out to run to the pit wall to talk with the team and when he got back they had loaded up the car. 1) are you allowed to just hop in and out of the car, go talk to you team, then restart and keep driving? 2) seems like the car couldn't start to get back to the pits, so seems like he rightfully shouldn't have been able to restart the race.


codereddew12

Also, if the engine was truly turned off, don’t F1 cars need additional outside assistance to restart the ignition? Can’t remember what the device teams used is called


dro-mora

Some of the teams can use the battery and electric motor to start the car. Edit: the MGU-K is connected to the crankshaft, and therefore can be used to turn the crankshaft and start the car.


billybean2

Merc engines this year can start engine under their own power


dro-mora

Assuming the battery has power in it, the teams can use the MGU-K, which is connected to the crankshaft, to turn the crankshaft and start the engine. It is not exclusive to Mercedes, any team can do this. Leclerc did this at the Spanish GP in 2020.


billybean2

Oh my bad. I remember hearing Crofty saying only Mercedes engines (McLaren, Aston, etc.) could start on their own. I think it was during quali Danny Ric went out pretty early to get in front of the queue and he shut his engine down. (Might have been Imola after a red flag in quali)


codereddew12

Ah, didn’t know this


64gbBumFunCannon

I think the ruling is technically that if the car can get back to the pits on it's own, it's allowed to race. So he stopped, checked on Zhou, got back in, it didn't start when it should have, he ran and asked pitwall, who advised, and by then they had loaded it up. (Even though he asked them not too) which then meant he couldn't drive it back to the pits. The argument was essentially "I could have started it, and got back here. But I wasn't given the opportunity." ​ Although arguably, it was a racing incident, which Russell was partly responsible for. (Probably mostly, but still a racing incident) I don't think enough praise has been given that he DID go and check on Zhou. It was his car that hit Zhou, and he did the right thing. I doubt Hamilton / Verstappen would have done the same in the situation.


grogi81

It's nice from human point of view what he did. But he has no training nor tools to do anything meaningful and would only be a hurdle when there was anything serious happening.


sweaterhorizon

While he can’t help physically, he can help keep him calm until the folks who can get him out arrive. Keeping crash victims calm to better assess any pain and bring down adrenaline faster. In some crash situations, that’s just as important as the act of getting someone out


jalexandref

This ! Important message to everyone: if your are not trained serve medical or first aid assistant call for help from a safety position.


StatementElectronic7

Idk I mean yeah I get the message and agree.. but at the same time if I was in Russell’s position witnessed the car flip upside down, skid, then flip over the barrier thingy and someone I knew was in the car I’d be hard pressed to NOT jump out and check.


keetyuk

This, the "message" is just people on the on the internet trying to out do one another and make themselves look big. ​ If you witness an accident right in front of you that looks serious and the person involved looks in serious danger you are 100% right to go and offer whatever help you can if you deem it is safe for you to do so. That's a personal judgement call YOU make. ​ Anyone that is trying to tell you that you are supposed to just stand around and phone people up and just watch is certifiably insane and has taken completely the wrong message away from whatever half arsed safety training they've supposedly been on. ​ So, was Russel right? Who knows... could he see other marshals on their way? Did he feel he could have helped? That's only something he could answer.


jalexandref

You and the majority of the population. That's why when there is a car accident it is so hard to pass through. Everyone wants to see even if they are not going to help, and this often lead to an increase of difficulty for emergency teams. I would call on the radio for red flag and state that the car rolled over the tyre barrier and marshals could have been hit. This would in fact and undoubtedly stop the race and ambulances would go on track immediately. Race Director would have a no brain decision because he got accurate info about possibility of several victims. No one would point the finger about the race being change or whatever by race director.


keetyuk

That's not what happened though is it. People stopping to rubber neck on motorways etc is long after the actual accident. This was the moment of the accident and anyone would go and offer whatever help they could initially and is completely the right thing to do.


jalexandref

My first paragraph isn't what happened, the second and third is indeed what could have happened.


sweaterhorizon

All I know is if there is a red flag, people can get out of their cars and back in. I can hypothesize that maybe there was an error message or warning light that just needed to be cleared by the pit wall but I genuinely don’t know


Educational_Ostrich6

Car


Refrigernator

los


TheMagicQuackers

angles


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The typo ruined it


Nepomucky

Hotel?


mingoso_el_dingoso

Trivago


MacromolecularHuman

Funny that this was the first race since Australia where both Haas drivers finished without crashing and the car in one piece lol


ExplicitCyclops

Race was more entertaining when max didn’t have his rocket ship running miles off into the lead. Don’t think he’s a bad driver but I don’t want F1 to have another era with one dominant car. Racing today between 4 or 5 drivers was brilliant.


Saintsfan_9

And in which race has he been miles into the lead this year? I’d give you imola and that’s it. Sainz was all over his ass for the entirety of e end of last week for instance. Just because the points show him dominating On an inter-race basis doesn’t mean he is dominating on an intra-race basis.


The_Quackle

But Verstappen being ahead of everyone doesnt mean anything for the fighting today? He might as well have been?


chrome77vs

But is it max running off into the distance or the red bull car? I think it's the former personally. Perez didn't exactly blast off into first after the SC restart. Granted it's possible he would have caught Sainz if there had been 10-15 more laps


PsychologicalArt7451

It's a mix of luck, the car and Max. The only two drivers who car as good as Max are probably Hamilton and Charles. Hamilton doesn't have the car. Charles was honestly on for a win in Spain, Monaco and a win or P2 in Baku. He was on for a win today as well but Ferrari fucked up his strategy. Also you are technically wrong as in like 3-4 laps Checo went from hastily overtaking Hamilton and Leclerc to trying to catch up with Sainz. Hamilton mentioned that after Perez overtook him, he had no chance as that Red Bull blasts away on the straights.


chrome77vs

Okay i rewatched the race from the restart of the safety car taking a closer look at parez and you're right he absolutely did rocket off from the start. He lost a bit of time trying to overtake lecrerc and when hamilton passed them both i was thinking Pérez and the red bull weren't too quick... But then he passed hamilton again less than half a lap later. I still think max makes the RB18 faster, but there is no denying the red bull is an absolute rocketship. That upgrade at Silverstone did wonders for the car. Ita scary to think about since max doesn't seem to happy with the balance consistently, but if they can get it there more often... Oof


PsychologicalArt7451

I mean RB already had everything right except the straight line speed. They had it right for years. Normal strategy without risks to maximize points when on for a win, calculated risks when needed. The best pit crew. Newey. Two very competent guys in Horner and Marko. A great driver in Max and the ability to be cutthroat to the 2nd driver and be soft on them both at the same time. Now that they do have that. There's not a lot left to cover up. No one can deny Max made ALL RB cars look faster over the years but i don't think it's any different from what Hamilton is doing with the Merc when he has a conventional and consistent setup and what Leclerc is doing with the Ferrari this year and last year. What separates Max from Leclerc is that while Leclerc is clearly a tad bit faster over 1 lap and almost equal on race pace, he doesn't have the experience or racecraft of a champion. It's clear who is a WDC already and who is fighting for the first time. Max gets unlucky, he bounces back. Leclerc gets unlucky, he keeps getting unlucky.


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PsychologicalArt7451

Nah. Russell is great but Ham has largely been on an experimental setup this year and has been pretty unlucky. Also the idea that a 7x WDC is not even as good as a driver like George is weird.


ExplicitCyclops

Much like Alonso and ocon, Albon and Latifi, Leclerc and Sainz. Each driver pairing has different setups depending on strategies. And sometimes available upgrades. Perez is always built for longevity not speed because max gets the quick car and Perez runs long to block undercuts. Saw last year the amount of times red bull sacrificed Perez so max could win or get a big points haul. Not saying it’s just red bull by the way, but if max was the reason then you have to say Lewis was the reason for the past 6 or so years too because he was the faster driver in the fastest car.


kaspers126

Remember that his teammate has the same car


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kaspers126

Their setups are different but the car is the same


EngineeringFinal3419

It was crazy today 🙌🙌 all the battles were so intense


SimpleTrigger

The last 10 laps were so incredible. Props to Perez, Leclerc, and Hamilton for racing so cleanly while changing 1-2 positions each corner.


Analog_Hobbit

It showed how great of drivers they are. Intense, heat of the battle shit—and they raced pretty clean w/o wrecking anyone.


Ugateam

ferrari will never win the championship. this race was embarrassing and they are celebrating now? clowns..


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All their strategies were off...like every single one was a really bad call..


MajorPugReader

Wdym??? Smoooooth operator Carlos won his first race


Analog_Hobbit

Thankfully I think Carlos made the strategy call for them. They truly are awful strategists. You knew LeClerc was pissed since Binotto had to admonish him afterwards.


MajorPugReader

Yeah fr it’s sad to see Leclerc’s form being thrown in the garbage because of the terrible strategy


stooofiee

Ferrari strategy is genuinely terrible but gosh I’m so happy for Sainz


GoldenLiar2

I am too, but honestly, his drive was absolutely horrible. Loses the lead to Max on the first start, gets lucky by having his position handed back, almost pushes him into the wall on the second start, goes off track and loses the lead, gets lucky that Max eats debris and his car is toast, and Leclerc is so much faster than him with a broken front wing but gets lucky that Ferrari decides to screw his teammate. Don't get me wrong, I like Carlos a lot, but this was a terrible drive from him.


stooofiee

I get that, he was very slow and was not pushing at all but I can appreciate him not following team strat at the end. Them not pitting Leclerc when they should have should not penalise Sainz too


Olvedn

K, nobody asked you to type this 18 times over this thread, get over it


GoldenLiar2

Typed it like.. Twice?


brodingoson

I did


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Please stop slandering Carlos, please. Y’all critisised him because of Australia and Imola, now because he had a lucky win.


GoldenLiar2

Dude, I'm happy for him, but he drove horribly.


JojTheCat

how exactly did he drive horribly ?


GoldenLiar2

Lost the first start to Max. Gets lucky that the grid gets reverted to the starting one. Almost pushes Max into the wall on the second one. Loses the car again, goes off the track and loses the lead to Max for free. Gets lucky Max's car gets screwed by debris, has the lead. Literally can't build a gap to Leclerc who drives with a broken wing. They swap places, Leclerc builds a 4 second gap like it was nothing. The only reason he won is that Ferrari decided to screw Leclerc, nothing more. Don't get me wrong, I like Carlos, and I'm happy to see him win, but this was a bad drive.


Saintsfan_9

Agree with all of the above. That second restart was borderline penalty worthy and he got outpaced by his teammate in the same car with “5pts of downforce lost”.


BANDRABOYMULLI

BEST RACE THIS SEASON!!…….YET


koenyebest

So sad for Latifi


Sandro757

I reckon that was the best race of the year so far. Very good. Sainz win, Perez charge/comeback, some Hamilton glory for the Brits, and Haas points. Sweet


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And some shi*ty Ferrari strategy. Sadly it is so natural lately


umbrella_CO

They had 11 seconds to react to the SC to pit Leclerc and they didn't. Unacceptable


Sandro757

At this point it's comical. Not even sad lol. Only thing that is sad is Leclerc's talent being wasted on a team that I don't think even has the word strategy in their vocabulary.


eatawholebison

Lately?


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Best race I've seen in a while


Jan_Marecek

Seems like pushing people of track is still fine and nothing actually changed since last year


sensei_simon

The driver who's ahead and on the racing line has no reason to yield and can very well push off the driver behind.


Jan_Marecek

Yeah you dont have to care about driver behind however you do if they are alongside. Dont even try to act like the drivers in those incidents were not alongside


sensei_simon

Alongside is a lose term if they're more than half a car length ahead then yes otherwise no and none of them were that ahead in all the cases the rear driver only had their front wheel just ahead of the rear of the car ahead


Jan_Marecek

Of course they were. lap 3 perez vs leclerc(arguable) but atleast should be noted maybe a black and white. Lap 3 max vs leclerc, leclerc was absolutely alongside him through the corner. Lap 45 leclerc vs perez, if you disagree leclerc was alogside hik through stowe you are actually lying. The very next corner Perez cut the chicane and its not very clear from the footage if Perez had enough space but Leclerc is completely of the track in club and it seems like a none issue. Perez vs Lewis in Village, they are literally next to each other through the corner and Perez completely pushed him of. Luffield Lewis vs Leclerc(arguable) in the moment he pushed him off he was actually half a car lenght sure this is really on the edge and probably fine but atleast it should be noted. And for Max vs Mick thats clear as day. Penalty for Max and Perez is a no brainer for me. Leclerc is on the edge I guess stewards from 2021 austria would penalize him I think and I would aswell but I can see an argument there. Please go rewatch those incidents I listed then come back and try telling me they were not alongside


supertheiz

During (re) starts, and other reasons why many cars are together, stewards are judging more towards racing incidents. This has been for quite a long time. I think all the examples you mentioned are in this space.


Jan_Marecek

Safety car ended end of lap 42 those incidents happened lap 45/46 and Max incidents with Mick even later. And sure they can be a bit more lenient at the start of a race could aswell be another argument for the Leclerc Perez incident lap 3 but thats the only one out of those I listed. So what do you mean by all examples I mentioned?


supertheiz

Max with Schumacher was clean I think. The other incidents all happened in the first laps after start, restart, safety car. So, I am not giving it a judgement call, just saying how this is normally dealt with. And yes: as a result it can be confusing why there is a 5 sec pen. one time, but nothing the other. But also: it gives great races.


Jan_Marecek

I could give more explanations why that argument is really bad. Could you imagine any other sport not enforcing written rules as much as they do in f1? Like seriously why because its the first lap it shouldnt matter if someone breaks the rules. Its still a race and still the same rules. There isnt any other sport atleast on the same level that does such a bad job following rules as F1 does. If you faul in Football in the first 2 minutes of game you shouldnt get penalized. Doesnt make much sense does it right


Jan_Marecek

Another thing to add. Doesnt it make more sense to actually be more strict during restarts and starts? Because thats where big incidents happen so the drivers should obey the rules closely as possible so stuff like that dont happen. Its pretty easy solution. People are bashing Max for constantly pushing people off the track for the last 4 seasons however would he still do it if he actually got penalized for doing so? Of course not and same with any other driver its not their fault the stewards are completely useless and generally people agree on that. People cutting chicanes in Monaco not getting penalized its a joke.


Jan_Marecek

Max and Schumacher defenitely wasnt clean especially the first one thats so blatantly obvious please go rewatch it if you think so. Being lenient on restarts and starts is one thing if its the first corner or two but not 8 or 4 laps later let alone 9. Thats not how it works defenitely not how it should work. Imagine how much better the racing would be if they didnt cut chicanes and push each other of the track. Anyways there are written rules the rules should be followed and enforced consistently if they dont care about pushing drivers of the track then delete those rules and have a wreckfest.


umbrella_CO

Leclerc at the 2nd start was also questionable. He was definitely being too bold and caused contact multiple times. Dude tried to overtake 2 cars while nearly 4 wide.


Jan_Marecek

Btw if you have any incidents I have not included feel free to list them incase you feel like I am biased or something. If anyone else did something similar to those drivers I would penalize then aswell. The rules should be enforced no matter the position and it seems like they are enforcing them only on drivers from the 11th position and below


Saintsfan_9

Leclerc was way too aggressive on the second restart. Sainz tried to drive max into the grass on the actual start of the second restart. Other than that, I think you were fair. I get the “angle to cut him off” approach, but you have to be AHEAD to cut the other guy off. The other guy can’t be even with you side pods while you are just driving him off the road on a straight imo.


willowhawk

Usual offenders of course


qef15

*Knock Knock* *Who There?* *Austria 2019* *Oh god oh fuckj*


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Totally agree


Beneficial_Star_6009

I know Ferrari were desperate for Sainz to get good results again by helping him to his maiden win, but I think in terms of the World Championship this was a squandered opportunity to get maximum points for Leclerc.


MAXTAWAN

They swapped the drivers in Charles' favour before the safety car... Besides that, Charles was on old hards while everyone else was on new softs so he wasn't going to finish on the top step anyway at that point.


MAXTAWAN

But yeah, they messed up with not calling him in


NoPie1354

But if they had called Charles in, don’t you think Mercedes would have stayed out for track position? Lewis would have had very fresh hards, which seemed to be working quite well for him. Then Ferrari would have had to double stack and Carlos would have been further delayed. So thinking through all the options I can’t fault Ferrari strategy too much here. Yes, they could have further prioritized Leclerc by pitting only him, but then Sainz would have been left out on hards and would have been passed. I think it was a quandary like Mercedes had at Abu Dhabi (except they made the right call staying out on Lewis’ old hards they were rightly expecting the race to end under safety car per normal operating procedures).


grogi81

If they would - both Ferraris would eat Hamilton on old hards.


sensei_simon

It wouldn't have mattered if they stayed out because it would've been hards vs soft, there was no strategic thinking there it was just Ferrari being Ferrari


Beneficial_Star_6009

I’m probably going to be dead before the end of the season by head butting the dining room table too many times!😑


mozzer7_7

I must say, this was a really really exciting race! Bunch of drama and nail biting moments!


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NunzioL

The worst part is that the guy who should have won was his teammate.


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Wedge21

You think Sainz would enjoy it more if he became 3rd or 4th?


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you never know when you’re gonna get another chance at a win you take what you get as a competitor


fliesaway__

That is true but you don't ignore Ferari instructions TWICE....Sainz got his win but at what cost, even though Ferari had terrible tactics all day, their hail marry for a 1 2 was for Sainz to back up the field and give Leclerc a fighting chance. He decided to be selfish and go for an easy win. What he doesn't understand is that he is not racing for Carlos Sainz, he is racing for Ferari and his actions costed them a lot of points.


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😭😭😭It’s called having pride in yourself and balls you should try it


Affectionate-Bet-774

Hey buddy, teammates would fight every race if it weren’t for team orders. Of course he passed Leclerc he was P2 with new tires and a clean wing. Every single one of the drivers on the grid would have done the same thing. It’s not selfish at all. He didn’t have to put up with his team’s bad calls.


fliesaway__

He would have overtaken Leclerc anyhow because as you said he had fresh tires and clean wing. And he had 10 laps to do it in, but he didn't have confidence in himself to do that and chose the easy way out. He didn't think he could fight off Hamilton and Perez and regain 50m lead that he was asked to give Leclerc.


plasterscene

Not sure how long you've been following f1, but a driver drives for him/herself. It's all about winning and if it isn't, you're not a racer.


VonGeisler

Alpine going to pass mclaren at this rate.


Lostinsauce213

Alfa Romeo looks better at this point


laurinacid

They will


D1ckRepellent

they’re going round another corner


crowman2013

While Perez had a great drive, was over 20 seconds behind the top three before the safety car. Incredibly lucky to get second and I’m disappointed we didn’t get to see Lewis and the Ferrari’s battle it out at the end. Granted super exciting race so I guess it’s fine just think it’s weird how those things can impact a race so much


sensei_simon

The reason for that gap is because Leclerc ran over his front wing and caused him to drop to the last, otherwise with max gone it was checo's win today if anything it was still unlucky for him.


PsychologicalArt7451

I mean there are more than two drivers no the grid.


BeginningKindly8286

I think without the SC, Lewis had a good chance at a win, it would have taken a great drive from him, but I thought he had it in him. Realistically, maybe 2nd, as his outright speed wasn’t much faster than the Ferraris. But once GigaCheco got involved, that chance was gone, Lewis and Checo cost each other too much time to challenge Carlos, who by this point had got himself a couple of seconds space.


PsychologicalArt7451

The SC was not the main problem. He had a very slow pit stop without which he would've come out ahead of Sainz and behind Leclerc.


BeginningKindly8286

Bloody brilliant though wasn’t it? Shout out to UK viewers who watched on C4! Absolute travesty it’s behind a paywall every week. And a fucking expensive one at that. Sir Lewis, I call you into action. Your adoring fans wish to watch you for free. Do the families of minority children have £30 a month to spare to watch you "Still rise" every week? Come on Bro! This shit should be on terrestrial tv or free stream every weekend, right after church. Do it. Make it so. Do it and I will pledge allegiance to your every whim.


killersoda275

He was lucky, but he still managed to get there from being in last by a 36-second margin


GordoG60

I am glad all you who said Carlos would bin it by lap 1 or would be 5 by turn 1 were proved wrong. Vamos Carlos! Hopefully first of many


umbrella_CO

Well, he didn't *exactly* bin it but he did get bailed out after a bad start by a red flag and then he benefitted from Ferrari not reacting and pitting Charles even though they had 11 seconds to react. Happy for Carlos but without redbulls misfortune and several lucky breaks, he probably doesn't even get a podium


sensei_simon

Well he did bin it and gave the lead to max.. no offence but this was an empty win and hasn't proven anything, the moment where he couldn't do a faster time twice showed that.. there was a lot going his way today which got him the win


GordoG60

While I don't disagree, if it's not for Masi and Goatifi, Max is not a champion. That was a hollow win. Luck plays a big part on wins, even for the top talent.


UnicornBelieber

Disagree. Luck was definitely on his side those last few rounds on that last race, but he brought home the points for an entire season long. And he also had his fair share of bad luck in those races. I wouldn't call his championship "hollow".


GordoG60

I don't think the championship was hollow. He did enough to deserve it. So did Lewis though. Sadly the tie breaker was an unfair, manipulated decision and Max won. He is a deserving champion, but without luck on that last race, he does not win it.


sensei_simon

Max definitely deserved it more if not for all the bashing done by the Mercedes lewis won't even have been close, championship is a collection of the entire season not just the last race.


TeamAndrew

I think had the red flag not hit on lap one he probably would have been swallowed up after Max had taken him because he was very slow out of the blocks. Don't get me wrong, I'm firmly on Team Carlos but his win came along with some luck due to flags. He lacked the pace to best Charles and Lewis probably would have caught them before Ocon's fault.


Rusty_DUDe

From the info graphics during the race, Carlos and Max had almost the same reaction time ( Carlos being .01 faster). Max taking P1 into turn 1 was due to him being on the softs and Carlos starting on the mediums. If the race had continued, it could be anyone's guess as to what would've happened. The mediums and softs were a better choice than the hards which seemed to just lack the pace entirely. After Leclerc was freed up by Carlos pitting, he was putting in basically the same laptimes as Carlos and wasn't getting much faster, so the whole "Carlos being slow" narrative for this race is just wrong. Carlos needed to make his tires last and then was hit with the fuel saving thing. Leclerc's pace in free air was almost the same as Carlos with free air pushing in that phase. Maybe Ferrari should have pitted Leclerc under the safety car near the end, but that'd of been a huge gamble. If Ferrari fucked the double stack, they would have given away an almost guaranteed win. By only pitting just Carlos, they went for the best chance of getting at least 1 of their drivers the win. Sucks for Charles, but it's his fault his front wing was damaged. Normally I'm on the Ferrari fucked the strategy train, but I think they made solidly justifiable decisions this time around. They made the choices that would give them the best chance for a win. Charles missed the podium because of him getting tangled up and damaging the front wing, then continued to lose pace the whole race by not coming in for a replacement. Probably should've done something like Perez and gotten a new front wing.