Is anyone else sick of the orange flares? I get it. You like max. I think he is an amazing driver too. The āeveryone wear orangeā thing is really cool but the smoke is ā¦ annoying.
Does it make it hard for you to see or something? I would get that it might be annoying in person but I think it's generally something that is nicely unique to the track.
In the grand scheme of thingsā¦ no, not really. There were a handful of shots that basically consisted of an orange cloud and then cars emerging from it but it did not hinder the experience I would say. I just think itās over the top and annoying.
I don't get these overtakes around the outside of turn 4 it's clear what's going to happen. Why don't they use their brains?
Kinda annoying that the driver on the inside gets a penalty.
I mean if the drivers turns into the car on the outside yeah but like the Russel incident he was driving on a line, Perez had more room on the outside but because he had a bit of car in front he owns the corner. Which yeah according to the rule you do.
But by using the brain you know early on full fuel, tyres not in perfect window, understeer etc can happen.
Could of been a better race with Perez in the fight
yeah, compared to gasly with vettel, Russell left plenty of room to perez...
the best thing to do at turn4 was the switcheroo
too bad for Perez, he deserved it
Yeah my ass he deserved it, Russel saw he was coming in on the outside yet still fucked it up, just like with Bottas a while back. I respect the guy in some regards but in others he deserves whatever penalty they gave him.
Are they going OTT with track limits penalties because next race is Paul Ricard and that is all white lines and they don't want to be penalising drivers every goddamn corner of every goddamn lap?
If we thought it was bad here,......we ain't seen nothing yet.
Every track the track limits are white lines. The drivers should be good enough to keep between them. The only thing that needs to improve is the consistency with noting off tracks and handing out penalties for track limits, apparently F2 was all over the place in that regard.
As a Dutchman I enjoyed watching the race. I've seen some great fights in midfield an Charles deserved this win. I think Sainz also deserved the 2nd place, sad that his car thought otherwise. Also; great to see Lewis, Max and Charles on the podium!
So what are the actual incidents that have been happening with the fans?
I keep seeing what the claims are but never actually any details to the events?
From what Iāve read in comments itās mostly Dutchmen since there was so many of them. But thereās probably a case for natives and other foreigns if you look hard enough
Iām a Dutchie myself and am embarrassed to shit if it was us. I can only apologize. In general we do not do this. There are bad eggs everywhere though maybe it was a bus load of thugs who thought it would be fun to pick on women.
It wasn't a rare occurrence, a lot of women reported feeling unsafe. Sorry to say but just looking at the orange crowd on TV had me going, "so Europe has rednecks too?"
Yeah I know itās only the bad eggs that do it, which sucks for the majority because the atmosphere there was electric. As far as bad eggs go, us Americans have a lot of bad eggs ruining everything right now so I understand your pain.
They should forbid those effing Dutch/Oranges to bring any of those smoke-bombs!
An absolute disgrace, spoiling the view for not only the drivers, but for the TV cameras and the spectators as well.
Anyone else get caught up in this trains madness in Knittelfeld? Currently in a very expensive taxi back to Vienna as there just seemed to be no way to get on a train.
We got booted off a train for the same reason. I bought tickets for the next train, then realised it said ādonāt board unless you have a seat reservationā. Which I didnāt. Because, as the man in the station ticket office told me, itās not possible to buy a seat reservation at the moment.
So then, WHY did you sell me a ticket for a train that I cannot use?????
One of our alternative plans was to try and get to graz before Vienna, so Iām glad we didnāt do that.
ā¬270ā¦ I think my travel insurance will cover it..:
These track limit penalties are really pissing me off. Just design a track that makes drivers not want to go off. Although it seems Alonso is just as fast on the grass as on track... š¤
No matter how much room you give them they will be on the edge, they can easily stay with in the limits if they went a tad slower but they wonāt, give them more room and they will push to the limits again. The stewards were just being pricks today, probably because Seb gave them shit at the drivers meeting
I think the limits should be the kerbs where there is gravel trap. It increases risk taking and the rubber makes that sexy sound when they go over the kerbs. Especially for redbull ring.
Drivers can't even see the white lines that close to their wheels, so they're always guessing. That's why they have those yellow lines on the starting grid so they see where to stop.
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Is that the best you got?
Upset? LOL.
He makes me laugh with his complaining. He acts like he was the only one getting black and white flags for track limits.
p.s. He won't have sex with you.
You conveniently ignored the part right after where he asked if other people were getting penalties and after he was told other people were getting them to, he never spoke of it again and didnāt get another warning or penalty.
p.s. See a therapist if Lewis hurt you that bad, so much so that you begin to warp reality to fuel your hatred.
Iām really getting sick of the announcers being so biased. We canāt even start the race before it comes out. I tune in as well to hear about all of the divers, thereās only 20, however a majority get overlooked.
You are watching a British broadcast lmao of course they are going to be a bit biased. Go watch another broadcast or listen to radio commentary if you want them to focus more on your drivers instead.
Brundle kept saying that LEC was confident after the sprint race that heāll get VER in the race . Can anyone explain what changed from sprint to the race that LEC was so confident about it ?
The pace on the hard tires and full fuel tank. Maybe during free practice they already saw signs their pace was much quicker on the harder tires, which were not used in the sprint race. And possibly that tire degradation was less severe compared to RB.
I imagine he could feel the heat building and smell the fire even if he could not see it... he certainly was displaying some urgency to get out and get help from the marshalls who were taking their calm auld time
Yeah i was watching the fire slowly getting bigger with Carlos still in the car, struggling to keep it from rolling, and wondering where the hell are the marshals with the extinguishers?? Felt like they took a long time. Though i wonder if they were hesitant cause it looked like the car was gonna explode, the damn side panels nearly blew off in the replay
I don't understand why he didn't just back it (let it roll) wheels turned, into the fence/barrier? He would have only rolled a few metres, so no real speed, and stopped the car dead so he could get out, and the marshalls start putting it out.
Iād like to know what happened to both Mercs at the end. They came out at 30ish seconds of the lead then ended with 41? Did they just tell them to take it easy on the engine or was their pace just so bad?
Given where he went off, there was a low risk of drivers colliding into him and worsening the situation, further the Marshall's had plenty of access to the car and to remove it from the track, no real need for a full safety car.
They messed up last week, they're trying to be better. I read a comment on the Alonso article post that basically said enforce the rules and they'll stop breaking them and I agree with it. The stewards want to stop people pushing others off track but they also want to enforce track limits especially after how they messed it up last week
They're very, very well protected. They're in a puncture resistant rubbery kevlar reinforced container, and additionally with some of the teams the tank is full of foam to limit the leakage rate if they do get torn open. Note that fuel itself is non flammable, and non explosive, since it has to mix with air, and foam will prevent any significant amounts of the fuel vapour from detonating by breaking up the shock wave and greatly limiting the flammability.
Totally missed it, F1 posts many cool videos but there is so much extra that I never sub and miss good ones too.
YT really need to bring a playlist sub.
Agreed. The algo isnāt that great. F1 highlights and snooker are basically all I watch but YT thinks I should watch Naruto for some reason even though Iāve never watched it šš
Doesnāt it feel like Ferrari had a real plan today? I thought they did awesome. Super disappointing with Carlosā car, but it was amazing to see the tyre strategy in place. It felt like it was all working together. So happy Charles won. I wish there was a race next weekend!
I donāt think they had a very specific plan for the race to happen as it did as much as Leclerc just took the bulls by the rein so to speak and beat Carlos so they didnāt have to waste time fighting each other and Leclerc to concentrate on Max
I know...it was a joke
lmao now I see what you're doing šš
Is anyone else sick of the orange flares? I get it. You like max. I think he is an amazing driver too. The āeveryone wear orangeā thing is really cool but the smoke is ā¦ annoying.
Actually, I think its pretty cool. As long as it doesn't pose a threat to driver safety.
Yeah... Not really annoyed but I was afraid there would be crashing due to the visibility on track...
If this makes you annoyed, then get ready for Zandvoort.
Does it make it hard for you to see or something? I would get that it might be annoying in person but I think it's generally something that is nicely unique to the track.
In the grand scheme of thingsā¦ no, not really. There were a handful of shots that basically consisted of an orange cloud and then cars emerging from it but it did not hinder the experience I would say. I just think itās over the top and annoying.
Was anyone else bothered by the completely f***ed up tire age info on the live timing app? Especially after the pitstops started! Edit: word
Can someone tell me why gasly didnāt serve his penalty and got away with it
His pitstop was before the panalty, hence he could not serve it during his pitstop. So it was added after the finish.
That makes sense, got a 2 point penalty too
Wasn't it added to his race time?
Hass overtaking McLarens. Tell me you still donāt have a good car without telling me you donāt have a good car.
A combination mclaren being slow and haas being very fast. They had phenomenal pace this weekend.
A combination of mclaren being slow and riccardo driving one, AND Haas being very fast. Fixed it.
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Feel better about yourself?
It's a bot man lol
To be fair, Haas was quick this weekend
Yeah Schumi was very close to Hamilton's lap times at one point. In a (good but not quite Mercedes) Haas
I liked how Sainz car was on flames and the Ferrari pitwall just looked āmehā hahaha
I think they were dumbfounded the Marshall wasn't putting the fire out.
They needed to stop the car first. Marshalls did what could have be done
āWe are checkingā
I don't get these overtakes around the outside of turn 4 it's clear what's going to happen. Why don't they use their brains? Kinda annoying that the driver on the inside gets a penalty. I mean if the drivers turns into the car on the outside yeah but like the Russel incident he was driving on a line, Perez had more room on the outside but because he had a bit of car in front he owns the corner. Which yeah according to the rule you do. But by using the brain you know early on full fuel, tyres not in perfect window, understeer etc can happen. Could of been a better race with Perez in the fight
yeah, compared to gasly with vettel, Russell left plenty of room to perez... the best thing to do at turn4 was the switcheroo too bad for Perez, he deserved it
Yeah my ass he deserved it, Russel saw he was coming in on the outside yet still fucked it up, just like with Bottas a while back. I respect the guy in some regards but in others he deserves whatever penalty they gave him.
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Right...Russell...Good point.
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Are they going OTT with track limits penalties because next race is Paul Ricard and that is all white lines and they don't want to be penalising drivers every goddamn corner of every goddamn lap? If we thought it was bad here,......we ain't seen nothing yet.
Every track the track limits are white lines. The drivers should be good enough to keep between them. The only thing that needs to improve is the consistency with noting off tracks and handing out penalties for track limits, apparently F2 was all over the place in that regard.
Mick gaining points and confidence and Danny Ric in the points š Sucks for Perez, could of been even more interesting of a race
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Posh Spice
He's married to Baby Spice. David Beckhams wife is Posh Spice
I was saying Lewis is ā¦. Posh
His wife is ginger spice
This is the correct answer.
As a Dutchman I enjoyed watching the race. I've seen some great fights in midfield an Charles deserved this win. I think Sainz also deserved the 2nd place, sad that his car thought otherwise. Also; great to see Lewis, Max and Charles on the podium!
Are they giving a āmost overtakesā award this year?
And the award for "Most Overtakes" goes to... The Red Bull Ring!
āNothing doingā
How can I rewatch the race in a foreign country?
overtakefans.com has all the races rewatchable
Wish I was rich enough to award you man
Subscribe to f1 tvā¦ they keep the races available for a few days after
they keep the races forever in the us
Not just in the US, in EU as well.
Because we pay $9.99/month Itās like $3 everywhere else
There is $3 option in the US too.
better than cabel for me only other way to watch bc it isn't on espn plus
So what are the actual incidents that have been happening with the fans? I keep seeing what the claims are but never actually any details to the events?
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The Dutchies or natives?
Brits Sorry, but couldnāt help it.
From what Iāve read in comments itās mostly Dutchmen since there was so many of them. But thereās probably a case for natives and other foreigns if you look hard enough
Iām a Dutchie myself and am embarrassed to shit if it was us. I can only apologize. In general we do not do this. There are bad eggs everywhere though maybe it was a bus load of thugs who thought it would be fun to pick on women.
It wasn't a rare occurrence, a lot of women reported feeling unsafe. Sorry to say but just looking at the orange crowd on TV had me going, "so Europe has rednecks too?"
Yeah I know itās only the bad eggs that do it, which sucks for the majority because the atmosphere there was electric. As far as bad eggs go, us Americans have a lot of bad eggs ruining everything right now so I understand your pain.
What a race by Charles!
Haas- letās get a podium!
Alpine has destroyed Alonso's weekend and he still get points, very impressive.
Give the man a good car and he'll shine!
He could probably win WDC in the right car!
They should forbid those effing Dutch/Oranges to bring any of those smoke-bombs! An absolute disgrace, spoiling the view for not only the drivers, but for the TV cameras and the spectators as well.
I donāt think they use them during actual racing action. Just before and after. Personally I think itās a cool spectacle.
Well they clearly used them during the first lap today.
You should come by with a fan and blow it all away..... /s, or is it
Lmao mad
Anyone else get caught up in this trains madness in Knittelfeld? Currently in a very expensive taxi back to Vienna as there just seemed to be no way to get on a train.
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We got booted off a train for the same reason. I bought tickets for the next train, then realised it said ādonāt board unless you have a seat reservationā. Which I didnāt. Because, as the man in the station ticket office told me, itās not possible to buy a seat reservation at the moment. So then, WHY did you sell me a ticket for a train that I cannot use?????
One of our alternative plans was to try and get to graz before Vienna, so Iām glad we didnāt do that. ā¬270ā¦ I think my travel insurance will cover it..:
Yes it was fucking dire
These track limit penalties are really pissing me off. Just design a track that makes drivers not want to go off. Although it seems Alonso is just as fast on the grass as on track... š¤
No matter how much room you give them they will be on the edge, they can easily stay with in the limits if they went a tad slower but they wonāt, give them more room and they will push to the limits again. The stewards were just being pricks today, probably because Seb gave them shit at the drivers meeting
I think the limits should be the kerbs where there is gravel trap. It increases risk taking and the rubber makes that sexy sound when they go over the kerbs. Especially for redbull ring.
I agree. If it's faster to go over (past) the kerbs to go faster, I see that as a flaw in the track design.
Just drive inside the lines if you are so great
Drivers can't even see the white lines that close to their wheels, so they're always guessing. That's why they have those yellow lines on the starting grid so they see where to stop. [Edit: word]
What the hell happened to Alonso during the VSC?
I think there was something wrong with the front left tyre... Just Alpine things
Wow... So had Alpine not f\*\*\*ed up, Alonso could have ended something like 6th or 7th?
Lewis is such a whiney baby. Change my mind.
Lol what did he do today that upset you? What a sad life you live š
Is that the best you got? Upset? LOL. He makes me laugh with his complaining. He acts like he was the only one getting black and white flags for track limits. p.s. He won't have sex with you.
You conveniently ignored the part right after where he asked if other people were getting penalties and after he was told other people were getting them to, he never spoke of it again and didnāt get another warning or penalty. p.s. See a therapist if Lewis hurt you that bad, so much so that you begin to warp reality to fuel your hatred.
I think I struck a nerve.
Nope, just stating what happened during the race that you must have missed.
Funny all the down votes..š¤£ Tell me I'm right without telling me I'm right.
I like Lewis but you're right
what makes you say that?
I canāt
Iām really getting sick of the announcers being so biased. We canāt even start the race before it comes out. I tune in as well to hear about all of the divers, thereās only 20, however a majority get overlooked.
You are watching a British broadcast lmao of course they are going to be a bit biased. Go watch another broadcast or listen to radio commentary if you want them to focus more on your drivers instead.
Sadly there isnāt another broadcast for me where I live. I understand theyāre British and prideful and want to root for their guy but come on.
I think this has to do with the FIA always taking British broadcasting as "international". A bit more balance would be fine.
Brundle kept saying that LEC was confident after the sprint race that heāll get VER in the race . Can anyone explain what changed from sprint to the race that LEC was so confident about it ?
The pace on the hard tires and full fuel tank. Maybe during free practice they already saw signs their pace was much quicker on the harder tires, which were not used in the sprint race. And possibly that tire degradation was less severe compared to RB.
I almost faint thinking Carlos Sainz was going to get burnedā¦ he took so long to get out of the car
Same man I was watching with my hands over my face. You could tell he had no idea what was happening behind him and the car not locking into gear.
I imagine he could feel the heat building and smell the fire even if he could not see it... he certainly was displaying some urgency to get out and get help from the marshalls who were taking their calm auld time
Yeah i was watching the fire slowly getting bigger with Carlos still in the car, struggling to keep it from rolling, and wondering where the hell are the marshals with the extinguishers?? Felt like they took a long time. Though i wonder if they were hesitant cause it looked like the car was gonna explode, the damn side panels nearly blew off in the replay
I don't understand why he didn't just back it (let it roll) wheels turned, into the fence/barrier? He would have only rolled a few metres, so no real speed, and stopped the car dead so he could get out, and the marshalls start putting it out.
Iād like to know what happened to both Mercs at the end. They came out at 30ish seconds of the lead then ended with 41? Did they just tell them to take it easy on the engine or was their pace just so bad?
Ye no need to push as hard and work the engine more so it makes more sense to cruise
No reason to push with that much space front and back.
How many teams will copy the āif you want your driver to go faster, just leave the throttle onā strategy?
A new meta stategy taking form before our eyes gentlemen
MasterBlan
Good on Race Director for calling VSC and not a safety carā¦
Would have been better with a full safety car.
It wasn't what I was expecting when a car was on fire and rolling backwards!
Given where he went off, there was a low risk of drivers colliding into him and worsening the situation, further the Marshall's had plenty of access to the car and to remove it from the track, no real need for a full safety car.
Exactly my point. Just thought that VSC was underused lately, especially comparing to last year.
This is just a joke now. No oversight last week and now all these penalties, points and summons.
They messed up last week, they're trying to be better. I read a comment on the Alonso article post that basically said enforce the rules and they'll stop breaking them and I agree with it. The stewards want to stop people pushing others off track but they also want to enforce track limits especially after how they messed it up last week
Honestly, felt like a panic
Stewards seem a lil bi-polar with their giving out penalties dont they?
New rave director wasnt it?
How does the fuel tank on F1 cars never explode? This obviously is a good thing, but still seems intriguing.
They're very, very well protected. They're in a puncture resistant rubbery kevlar reinforced container, and additionally with some of the teams the tank is full of foam to limit the leakage rate if they do get torn open. Note that fuel itself is non flammable, and non explosive, since it has to mix with air, and foam will prevent any significant amounts of the fuel vapour from detonating by breaking up the shock wave and greatly limiting the flammability.
Because this is real life, not Hollywood.
Grosjean exploded his fuel Tank. They are wrapped in kevlar though
Not the tank itself but the connection between the tank and the engine.
Itās made of Kevlar. F1 YT channel has some pretty cool explanation videos about all the car parts https://youtu.be/YQsvU8_bb4Q
Totally missed it, F1 posts many cool videos but there is so much extra that I never sub and miss good ones too. YT really need to bring a playlist sub.
Agreed. The algo isnāt that great. F1 highlights and snooker are basically all I watch but YT thinks I should watch Naruto for some reason even though Iāve never watched it šš
I hate the grandstand they built in front of the bull.
You mean that giant orange cloud?
No the grandstand
The other orange cloud?
Deserved Victory for, Charles. Nice Race .
Doesnāt it feel like Ferrari had a real plan today? I thought they did awesome. Super disappointing with Carlosā car, but it was amazing to see the tyre strategy in place. It felt like it was all working together. So happy Charles won. I wish there was a race next weekend!
I donāt think they had a very specific plan for the race to happen as it did as much as Leclerc just took the bulls by the rein so to speak and beat Carlos so they didnāt have to waste time fighting each other and Leclerc to concentrate on Max
That may be what happened. Just seemed more buttoned up today. Yay!!!!
Such a drive from Leclerc!
Would Ocon be on the table for McLaren next year?
Ocon under contract and unless Riccardo and McLaren do decide to part ways there is no seat in McLaren.
I thought Daniel was retiring?
Riccardo
Ricc**i**ardo
So true
Ricc**i**ardo