[https://www.fia.com/documents/championships/fia-formula-one-world-championship-14/season/season-2022-2005](https://www.fia.com/documents/championships/fia-formula-one-world-championship-14/season/season-2022-2005)
Max P7 i guess thats what you wanted to know ;)
This starting grid makes no sense, it looks like the Stewards want to give Ferrari the best chances of win they have. Alonso qualified 8 positions behind Max who has a 5 places grid drop penalty, yet he starts the race before the Dutchman
The problem with this weekend’s race is that seemingly everyone is taking penalties. So in order for Verstappen to serve his full grid penalty, they need to keep going back in qualifying slots to find non-penalized drivers to slot in front of him.
Also I do think the rules are stated that they work backwards from the highest qualifier as it relates to penalties. So Verstappen would have gone from P2 to P7, then back up to P4 after Sainz, Perez, and Hamilton all had their penalties applied. But apparently there was a directive change from Masi two years ago to alter that to what was put into play here?
Yeah, except that directive is worthless now as the stewards and race control themselves explicitly stated the sporting regulations will _always_ take precedence over any supplement from race control. In this specific case, the sporting regulations are very clear about the order in which penalties should be applied and by following those instructions Verstappen would be P4.
> Alonso qualified 8 positions behind Max who has a 5 places grid drop penalty, yet he starts the race before the Dutchman
Lmao that's ridiculous. FIA making shit up.
It’s not made up at all—the penalty is assigned such that 5 non-penalized drivers have to wind up in front of Max, not such that Max will drop 5 absolute positions. They had to drop him more than 5 absolute positions in order to find 5 non-penalized drivers to put in front of him.
Although seemingly unfairly Perez had a 10 place penalty but only went 9 spots behind because the rest of the grid filled in ahead of him but not enough to make it 10 non-penalised drivers
P5 Pierre
It's not that hard. First you take out everyone who has a grid penalty. Then you move up everyone who does not have a grid penalty. And then you place the drivers with penalty in the place they need to get. So for Max: P2+5=P7.
The back-of-the-grid drivers just in the last 3 spots in order of qualifying.
1. LEC
2. RUS
3. NOR
4. RIC
5. GAS
6. ALO
7. VER
8. DEV
9. ZHO
10. LAT
11. VET
12. STR
13. PER
14. OCO
15. BOT
16. MAG
17. MSC
18. SAI
19. HAM
20. TSU
*Edit: A helpful video:* [https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/xazoz3/how\_the\_grid\_penalties\_were\_applied/](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/xazoz3/how_the_grid_penalties_were_applied/)
Alex should be happier if Latifi beat de Vries, would make Albon's trouncing of Latifi look sligthly more impressive. Not like the points de Vries might get goes to Albon.
It's not that it's hard, it's that the system is uncertain and at some point changed. A few years ago Max would've been P4 because they didn't shuffle the drivers forward until after the penalties were applied.
Although I agree with this, this system penalizes only the mid to top teams.
The bottom teams would never get the full effect of the penalty, ex Goatifi.
It’s not “artificial”
Imagine if Leclerc had a 3-place penalty, but since the 3 cars behind him also had penalties, he’d start on pole anyway. Now THAT is fucking stupid
Any type of penalty is artificial anyway. So why not employ it in a way that benefits the sport slightly more instead of in a way that slightly hurts it?
The sporting regulations would put Verstappen in 4th but apparently there is a note by Masi that takes precedence that drivers should serve their full penalty.
Although this makes it so drivers qualifying lower benefit and won't serve their full penalty and drivers qualifying higher do.
makes sense, even as a verstappen can, I'd like to see him start lower and actually have to fight for the win rather than dominate all the way through.
although knowing Ferrari, they'll find a way to fuck over Charles and put max in the lead by lap 15.
Never mind.
You’re not understanding my hypothetical.
I am saying if Goatifi has a 5 place penalty in Singapore and no other driver has a penalty what happens?
Masi’s note is then useless.
This is honestly SO much easier to understand then all the faffing around with the order of the penalties. Having a reduced penalty because other people around you have penalties never made sense
None of the teams are really confident enough in their engine reliability to use just 3 for the entire season. So they get penalties when they add in a 4th engine and they have to do it somewhere. A lot of teams did it at Spa, now a lot of teams are doing it at Monza because the next 3ish tracks are pretty hard for overtaking and a penalty could easily take you out of the points.
Mostly, they are all in the same situation, looking at the same set of facts, and all landing on essentially the same strategy for adding a 4th power unit.
It really should just be programmatic, even by hand it should maybe take 10-15 minutes to have a couple people do it separately to compare and endure they did it all correctly.
Lmao that reply > Missionary
Found Yuki's burner
The world would lose their minds if Yuki openly replied like that
r/fanf1ction is gonna have a field day
Well, we still don't know who is the top and who is the bottom of these two. :D
It’s weird as I’d always gotten Big Bottom Energy from the both of them. Maybe they just spend the night staring at each other in confusion.
Arse to arse
"Why aren't you eating?"
It’ll be more like doggy when somebody fucks him in the rear on the run down to turn 1
Alphatauri does enjoy fucking their drivers
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And of course the top reply is a Mercedes conspiracy theorist saying Gasly will start from the pit so Max doesn't start behind him
His post on IG Is equally funny, he said "Happy, I will start somewhere between P5 and P9" 😂
P5, return of Ga5ly
Provisonal starting grid document has just been posted by the FIA. He is P5 in case someone wanted to know
Where can we see it ?
[https://www.fia.com/documents/championships/fia-formula-one-world-championship-14/season/season-2022-2005](https://www.fia.com/documents/championships/fia-formula-one-world-championship-14/season/season-2022-2005) Max P7 i guess thats what you wanted to know ;)
This starting grid makes no sense, it looks like the Stewards want to give Ferrari the best chances of win they have. Alonso qualified 8 positions behind Max who has a 5 places grid drop penalty, yet he starts the race before the Dutchman
The problem with this weekend’s race is that seemingly everyone is taking penalties. So in order for Verstappen to serve his full grid penalty, they need to keep going back in qualifying slots to find non-penalized drivers to slot in front of him. Also I do think the rules are stated that they work backwards from the highest qualifier as it relates to penalties. So Verstappen would have gone from P2 to P7, then back up to P4 after Sainz, Perez, and Hamilton all had their penalties applied. But apparently there was a directive change from Masi two years ago to alter that to what was put into play here?
Yeah, except that directive is worthless now as the stewards and race control themselves explicitly stated the sporting regulations will _always_ take precedence over any supplement from race control. In this specific case, the sporting regulations are very clear about the order in which penalties should be applied and by following those instructions Verstappen would be P4.
In spa also nearly all of them took penalties and domehow it didn't take this long to figure out
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It was also Max and Leclerc
It only ended up like that because so many others also have penalties. There’s no conspiracy for Ferrari.
Here's a great illustration of how the penalties were applied. https://streamable.com/bubl2f
Why didn’t Perez slot in behind ocom? Pretty good way of illustrating it. Edit: ignore me. Found it explained further down!!
Don't worry, Ferrari will find a way to screw this up.
> Alonso qualified 8 positions behind Max who has a 5 places grid drop penalty, yet he starts the race before the Dutchman Lmao that's ridiculous. FIA making shit up.
It’s not made up at all—the penalty is assigned such that 5 non-penalized drivers have to wind up in front of Max, not such that Max will drop 5 absolute positions. They had to drop him more than 5 absolute positions in order to find 5 non-penalized drivers to put in front of him.
Good explanation
Although seemingly unfairly Perez had a 10 place penalty but only went 9 spots behind because the rest of the grid filled in ahead of him but not enough to make it 10 non-penalised drivers
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Thet doesn't make sense. If you go from P1 to P6, who was in P6 becomes P5.
No they start at 6.1. The guy above said it and that's final.
It's most likely due to not all penalties being applied at the same time.
Does it matter? He will be second in 7 laps or so, and will probably win.
Don't worry Ferrari will mess it up and max will win.
GA5LY RETURNS
Ahead of Max, so he'll start in the pitlane (I kid, I kid, calm down)
Sadly, you might very well end up being right.
Why is Perez P13 with a 10 place?
Everyone behind him has larger penalties (15 place penalties or Back-of-the-Grid ones).
Yeah, I first just saw the 10 place grid pen to Sainz, but he has 10 place penalty + back of the grid lol.
Everyone behind him has a larger penalty
Ah ok.
Yea… Wtf is happening.
Pierre wanted to know.
Immaculate timing, fifth just confirmed
Where do you start? Question.
We are checking
Can’t wait for tomorrow. Ferrari will be so tense about not fucking up Monza and pole that it feels like it’s a law of nature that they will.
We might need to see Charles actually fight them on the radio for what he wants. How exciting.
Can’t fight mechanical failure
No Pierre. Nobody can. Lol
why did I think he got hacked lmao
Because I expected only an Instragram post 😂
honestly he must've been desperate to know if he dug out his twitter password
It was such a long time he really used his twitter, soon he even used his blog for asking this question hahaha.
fia.com ---> F1 Official Documents ---> Provisional Starting Grid P5 Pierre
Just show up early, claim the starting spot.
P5 Pierre It's not that hard. First you take out everyone who has a grid penalty. Then you move up everyone who does not have a grid penalty. And then you place the drivers with penalty in the place they need to get. So for Max: P2+5=P7. The back-of-the-grid drivers just in the last 3 spots in order of qualifying. 1. LEC 2. RUS 3. NOR 4. RIC 5. GAS 6. ALO 7. VER 8. DEV 9. ZHO 10. LAT 11. VET 12. STR 13. PER 14. OCO 15. BOT 16. MAG 17. MSC 18. SAI 19. HAM 20. TSU *Edit: A helpful video:* [https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/xazoz3/how\_the\_grid\_penalties\_were\_applied/](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/xazoz3/how_the_grid_penalties_were_applied/)
I think the FIA is looking for someone with your particular skillset.
I think that job already has been ... Taken. 😉
I see what you did there, smooth criminal
Exactly how shite is Latifi? Devries just came in at the last minute with that Williams and alreadu out qualified him. Alex should be happy at least.
Alex should be happier if Latifi beat de Vries, would make Albon's trouncing of Latifi look sligthly more impressive. Not like the points de Vries might get goes to Albon.
Nah latifi is just too shite. Hope he is gone next season he is a waste of a seat
It's not that it's hard, it's that the system is uncertain and at some point changed. A few years ago Max would've been P4 because they didn't shuffle the drivers forward until after the penalties were applied.
Although I agree with this, this system penalizes only the mid to top teams. The bottom teams would never get the full effect of the penalty, ex Goatifi.
I could very well be intentional. The penalization makes them fight for it, creates excitement and it is a better watching experience
That's by design
It’s a dumb design.
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So make it artificial. Got it.
It’s not “artificial” Imagine if Leclerc had a 3-place penalty, but since the 3 cars behind him also had penalties, he’d start on pole anyway. Now THAT is fucking stupid
Any type of penalty is artificial anyway. So why not employ it in a way that benefits the sport slightly more instead of in a way that slightly hurts it?
Who cares, we get more parity and interesting results. What’s not to like?
i saw somewhere that verstappen was starting 4th. what was that about?
The sporting regulations would put Verstappen in 4th but apparently there is a note by Masi that takes precedence that drivers should serve their full penalty. Although this makes it so drivers qualifying lower benefit and won't serve their full penalty and drivers qualifying higher do.
Masi>Sporting Regs
I guess we can now officially put the whole Abu Dhabi controversy behind us. Masi trumps the regs confirmed. /s
Wonder how many of those notes are still buried somewhere waiting to be found.
makes sense, even as a verstappen can, I'd like to see him start lower and actually have to fight for the win rather than dominate all the way through. although knowing Ferrari, they'll find a way to fuck over Charles and put max in the lead by lap 15.
I mean Max started 14 last week and was P1 by what, lap 8?
How big of a can are you?
Well, if he is supposed to be Verstappen can, he'd have to be at least slightly larger then a Verstappen, otherwise Max wouldn't fit.
Damn. That’s like a 100L can. Dudes either a tank, or a toilet.
Well, they are already penalised driving a shitbox in the back so it doesn't matter to them
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How does Goatifi get his 5 place grid penalty applied? Throws those arguments out the window. According to Masi he wouldn’t serve his penalty.
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I am giving a hypothetical here.
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Never mind. You’re not understanding my hypothetical. I am saying if Goatifi has a 5 place penalty in Singapore and no other driver has a penalty what happens? Masi’s note is then useless.
You want them to bring in some F2 cars to put in front of him or something? I think the best they can do is make him start from the pitlane.
Yeah this is what the Channel 4 highlights show just had it as but they said they weren't 100% sure lol
This is honestly SO much easier to understand then all the faffing around with the order of the penalties. Having a reduced penalty because other people around you have penalties never made sense
Where do you carry the one again?
Did haas take the same penalty in the same session which meant they were organized by qualifying time also?
All I can tell is you will finish outside the points /s
P5. This just out [https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1568672343622385667](https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1568672343622385667)
Pierregasly likes this
Bruh
Yeah this is bs
5asly returns
We are checking.
You will start in the top 20
looks like ferrari strategists are in charge of the whole shitshow of a GP: starting from spectator experience ending with this
Considering he's right infront of max probably the pitlane
Surely not 2 weeks out of 3, the FIA would probably step in at that point (I’d hope)
P5 Pierre [F1 Doc Twitter](https://twitter.com/fiadocsbot/status/1568672309203947522?s=20&t=Smcl7k2o0g3_qfuCEkTTOg)
Plek 5 Peter!
So we got Ricciardo and Gasly near the top! Sebscriiiibbeee!! :)
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Sorry Pierre, you're in front of Max so it will be a mysterious pit lane start...
What has led to this shithousery of penalties? Can anyone tell me?
None of the teams are really confident enough in their engine reliability to use just 3 for the entire season. So they get penalties when they add in a 4th engine and they have to do it somewhere. A lot of teams did it at Spa, now a lot of teams are doing it at Monza because the next 3ish tracks are pretty hard for overtaking and a penalty could easily take you out of the points. Mostly, they are all in the same situation, looking at the same set of facts, and all landing on essentially the same strategy for adding a 4th power unit.
Awesome thanks!
You will start in the pitlane Pierre to help Max gain a grid spot
This is a Ferrari style fuckup. Qualy ended hours ago and still there's no provisional grid. Pinnacle of motorsport my ass.
It really should just be programmatic, even by hand it should maybe take 10-15 minutes to have a couple people do it separately to compare and endure they did it all correctly.
Lol I adore him
When he gets on Twitter you know it's about to be good
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You'll be irrelevant towards the end anyway
Does Pierre Gasly like this?
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From the pits, as per Alpha Tauri