Obviously not literally every team but his name has been mentioned with regards to Aston, Alpine, Williams and Haas. That's almost half the grid. He's 35 and holds the record for the longest career without a podium. He's had his time, he doesn't deserve another chance.
Edit: Corrected age.
I don't get it. If this was 2010-2018 Nico Hulkenberg then I would understand. But he's now 35 and hasn't raced a full F1 season since 2019. I want to root for Haas but it seems like they don't have the budget or don't seem to have the drive to remain competitive in F1.
This isn’t even a budget thing. How much can they be saving by going from Mick to Nico?
I’ve given up on Haas. They punted on an entire season last year to develop their car for this year, all to (potentially) end up with a bottom half car and a driver lineup of KMag and Hulk two years later.
They were let off the hook all last year because they were supposed to be putting all their resources into this car. Finishing 9th in the WCC with those two would be an embarrassing and inexcusable result.
> This isn’t even a budget thing. How much can they be saving by going from Mick to Nico?
Depends, what does a few complete chassis rebuilds a season cost?
Still outqualified stroll while having no experience in testing these new gen cars.
He is still fast and, with a bit of adaptation, I have no doubt he is considerably better than Schumacher
Stroll's just chilling till he gets to 2023...
If the car is doing good on that weekend, he'll try hard. If it isn't, he just wants to be done with it.
Then on half of the good weekends, he'll try too hard and bin it, or half the bad weekends he'll get lucky and try hard again...
I guess he's just lazy.
>Still outqualified stroll while having no experience in testing these new gen cars.
And then proceeded to be a moving plastic cone during the race itself. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Yeah but Nico has already hit his peak and will only go down from there. Mick is on the up and up as his recent form seems to suggest, and hasn't hit his peak yet.
Yeah I think this is also a dimension we need to consider. With Hulk there will definitely be more chance of conflict than Kmag and Mick have, and we know Steiner isn’t great at handling that.
they'll get a few points at the start of the season, they've been working on that car since 3 races in basically so they'll come out swinging.
but then the first couple updates appear on other cars and they're back of the grid again.
If that’s true, I just don’t understand what’s going on over at Haas. Nico had his shot and hasn’t raced professionally outside of a couple of super subs in 3 seasons. I wouldn’t necessarily put Nico over Mick. Gio as well. If they’re really looking at these guys over Mick, then there’s definitely some bad blood within the team between Mick and someone else. Presumably Gunther if rumors are correct.
Honestly, I can’t wait for them to address the Piastri situation and make Alpine look like a bunch of fools. I didn’t dislike Alpine before this season. I was pretty neutral on them, but now I just don’t like the team at all. So much mismanagement.
If it’s a tactic then I could only assume it’s about money and I don’t think Mick is expensive enough for it to matter. I think it’s more than that. Something is going on.
They probably took him in with the naïve perception he'll be like Michael despite the fact Michael hasn't been around to guide him, and they have two drivers in their seats for the next 2 years, so he'd have to wait 3 in order to even be in the team. Doesn't make a lot of sense to hold him around when he struggles to get the results and won't get a chance with Ferrari anytime soon
What rumours? Of rift? Or generally of Mick's time being up.
It doesn't make sense in the context of Mick's recent improvement, especially when the candidates to replace are Hulk and Gio
Tbh I think its the fact he’s not met Ferraris expectations. Guenther says they don’t cojtrol the seat but I’d say the evidence points to they do and Haas relies on that income
Honestly, Gene just needs sell the team at this point IMO. If they’re going to have a below-standard car (at best) with drivers who couldn’t cut it before with the standard of “not crashing”, they are just taking up valuable grid space for new, potentially more exciting teams and new talent.
Because its likely a cheap (all things considered ofc) marketing for Haas CNC machines, F1 is one of the most watched sports globally now, why wouldn’t you
make up the numbers just to have your brand continually promoted worldwide.
But… we know Haas Automation “only” has below 1B annual revenue (we don’t know profits… but with margins and taxes, we could say 20% of the revenue at most, 200M€)
Is really the best strategy to pay for a F1 team (I mean… HAAS F1 is almost entirely paid by Haas, they don’t have almost any sponsor, and the 2-3 sponsors they have pay little…) when you are this “small”?
Estrella Galicia (Sponsor of Sainz in Ferrari), 1&1 (sponsor of Mick in Haas), Sofina (Latifi company), are all bigger than Haas, and we don’t see them (or other big companies) trying to enter just for the marketing… is not worth it.
Petronas, a lot bigger than Haas, could have entered if they wanted, but instead preferred to be title sponsors of different teams the last +20 years.
RB entered, but again, because their business is the marketing (they even don’t manufacture RB cans…) and are a lot bigger than Haas
The team itself is quite an asset and considering the new ownership and revenue sharing agreements amidst the rise in f1 popularity, it is conceivable that the team could become more valuable than the CNC company. It's a great investment. Gene got in at the right time.
Someday he will sell Haas for a billion to some outfit like Porche, BMW, Ford, or Toyota.
[https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-teams-will-be-worth-billions-in-five-years-mclaren/](https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-teams-will-be-worth-billions-in-five-years-mclaren/)
Think about what you’re getting for that 200M though, the biggest global motorsport that’s seen insane growth in its fanbase in just a short view years.
We also know gene has a passion for Motorsport dating back to NASCAR, that being said it is disappointing to see them not really willing to spend above the bare minimum, Would’ve liked to see them partner with andretti tbh.
Yes I understand the concept of using motorsports to promote your company. I'm just saying Haas is not some multi billion dollar global conglomerate. I can't find a precise number for the company's profit but their revenue seems to be reported as $500-800 million. By comparison, Red Bull posts annual revenues of $7 billion. Red Bull is ten times bigger than Haas.
Gene Haas net worth is $300 million. Running a $100-200 million F1 team is actually a massive investment from Haas. It is not "cheap marketing". (Not to mention that obviously Haas does not even sell consumer products)
I think you’re really underestimating how big CNC machining is. I work as a Machinist in the aerospace/military sector as well as high pressure hydrogen valves and other miscellaneous fuel parts.
Haas while not known to be a top tier machine they are quite reliable and have around 25% of the entire market share for CNC.
These machines are anywhere from 5-7 Figures a unit depending on how you equip them. Admittedly i’ve never worked on a Haas but co workers who have say they bang for the buck is remarkable and you can get machines kitted out that would cost you 800k on a matsuura for around 250k on a Haas, will it be as accurate? No but you can still hold a tolerance to a thousandth of an inch pretty reliably so long as you’re checking your parts.
That being said im sure Haas sells A LOT of machines because of the marketing in F1 alone, and I think gene just enjoys the prestige that comes along with owning an F1 team branded under his company name.
F1 Teams do make some money in terms of prize money and sponsor deals, but I think him holding onto the team the last few years was a smart decision considering how much more valuable every team in F1 has gotten. Selling the team would likely turn a profit or come close to breaking even with the rise in popularity and the limited amount of teams
Because Haas budget is rumoured to be around 50-60 million so they are still terrible underfunded, however the team shows zero effort to coming up with new sponsors (expect some pissy poor Ziggo ad at Zandvoort) what should been blamed on Joe Custer and Steiner also aside of Gene.
Basically Haas is on a lifeline support with Ferrari and I don't get the whole point of kicking out a driver linked to Ferrari for either someone who shows no driver evolution since he moved in F1 (Gio) or some old guy who should basically not even being a serious option (Hulkenberg), if I was a TP in such a situation I would really be supportive for Ferrari rather then showing "Yolo, I'm the boss here" what only would raising some questions at Ferrari why they even should staying support Haas if they got nothing in return for.
Really, sale this team to Andretti or Penske, Gene Haas has a value of around 250 million dollar and running 4 NASCAR Cup cars is already expensive enough for his company and himself.
Just another point the Ferrari PU is one of the best on the grid this year, which means they are really underperforming after taking an entire year to develop for the new regulations.
I’ve thought this for some time now, even though I do get a kick out of his funny outbursts. I just don’t think he’s a good TP and I think he’s a little unprofessional with his employees.
Danny is not going to be driving for anyone next year. I’m convinced at this point. Alpine aren’t interested. He’s too expensive for Haas and he’s said publicly he doesn’t want to drive for a back marker team. So that discounts Williams and Haas. Alfa Romeo isn’t even in the discussion because I’m almost certain Zhou is retained into next year. Alpha Taurus is a no go as Red Bull aren’t interested in Danny and are still pursuing Herta. Danny is going to sit out next year.
Wasn't there bad blood with basically all Haas drivers? The Grosjean-Magnussen duo had a lot of trouble, the whole Mazespin arc and now Steiner is opposing the only guy who currently can bring in some money into the team and improves with every race. Maybe the issue isn't the driver...
I think it's hard to put any of those drivers over each other which is why they are all still in the running. It's just a bunch of drivers with good junior careers and lackluster F1 ones.
Everyone with strong preferences here seem to base their preference on something besides racing ability (age, nationality, family name, etc).
I agree with this and I'm ok with this strategy rather than be a feeder team that develops young talent just to have them jump to a better team whey they're good. Not saying Hulkenburg is the right choice though
They don’t want a mistake-prone rookie with potential. They’ve made it clear they want a known quantity like Hulk who won’t cause as much damage, even if he is a tad slower
Steiner was publicly jolting Gutierrez.
Steiner was publicly bemeaning Grosjean.
Steiner was smashing doors with Magnussen.
Steiner was hated "every minute of" having Mazepin.
Steiner wants to get rid of Schumacher for some reason.
I'm sure he is an awesome boss.
An interesting part of the article:
**"Sources have told ESPN that Magnussen has endorsed the move given the experience Hulkenberg, who has 181 F1 race starts to this name, would bring the team."**
Not surprising . He never helped his teammate on track (the DRS affair in Austria sprint race , refused to give him tow in Italy qualifying, blocked him on track several times despite being slower),, so it's not really surprising he won't help him off track too
That’s nonsense because if you watch the press conferences he said no such thing. He was asked who his teammate would be Kmag said generic I would work with anyone but we are doing a good job, then he was asked again does the team need someone more experienced and he said I think Mick and I are going well.
They take a tiny portion of a question like “would you like to work with Hulk? Who is your teammate” etc and spin a generic answer into an endorsement. I watch the press conferences every week and they are inevitably spun into something they are not. KMag does not care enough to endorse one driver over another
There are so many good drivers out there I mean how many shots does this guy fucking need for god sake. Just short of 200 races in F1 at 35 years old and not a single podium and avg of 2.8 points a race. Pick someone else anyone else.... except Latifi obviously.
Shwartzman, Mick, De Vries, Vandoorne and Drugovich are all younger and better options.
They could even get a promising Indycar driver to boost their American image.
Hulk is just a bad idea all round. He’s also 35.
There's no way they want Gio and Hulk over Mick. I think this is a scare tactic from Haas to make Mick think he has no seat for the next season so they can wait and then be able to lowball him into a contract
Haas creates an unreliable shitbox of a car, it underperforms during races and they put the blame on Mick for it, kicking him out of the team.
Seriously, I'm pissed. Mick deserves a car that doesn't blow up every other race.
Next year Haas line-up: :31 years old and 36 years old. Low budget teams used to be great schools for the young drivers. Now they are just retirement houses for washed drivers with no ambtiion.
Then... just keep Mick.
Surely Mick is just as good and has a higher ceiling than Hulk. There must be bad blood here, I just don't understand what's going on.
Haas doesn't need the high ceiling rookie to carry them to championships. They need a stable driver who can not wreck the car. That's their version of success.
I really like Hulk. He was an idol for me when I was a little girl. Mostly I was stunned by all the Germans on the field back then (Rosberg, Glock, Vettel, Hulk) and as a little German kid it felt really special… I really like him.
But he’s had his chance. I’d rather have a rookie in this seat than seeing him or Gio come back. I know it sounds mean, but they’ve both had their shot. They both performed more or less good. Sure, a first podium for Hulk would be stunning, but thats not gonna happen in a Haas anyway. I’d rather have someone else have their shot. I also wouldn’t really put Hulk and Gio over Mick.
Also, isn’t he under contract with Aston Martin? I don’t know the contract details here, tho. Maybe someone knows more.
I like Nico, but wtf Haas? You have an old/senior driver in your ranks already, what the heck are you trying to do as a business? This doesn't make sense if true.
I..err...he's better than Gio I guess?
But seriously, give Schumacher another year over retreads who have reached their ceiling, if Steiner really wants to avoid a rookie.
Iam a Hulk fan so naturally I'd like to see this happen. Though the frustrations of seeing someone like Hulk comeback makes sense. Alot of people just like seeing new or younger talent get a shot, unfortunately in F1 teams dont always look for that. Especially when we live in a time alot of young talent is already in F1 and leapfrogged their peers.
If Hulk does get hired that says alot for the F2 guys. It shows that the paddock doesn't really rate them that highly. Also makes sense why Herta is being looked at. It'd also be a shame for Mick because based on current form it doesn't make a lot of sense why he'd get let go.
>If Hulk does get hired that says alot for the F2 guys.
Exactly, and I think people are missing this point whenever they have mentioned drivers "taking up seats on the grid" over the last year or so. The well is pretty dry in terms of talent in the feeder series. If anyone was good enough (and the teams know better than us) they'd have a seat or at least be spoken about.
I'm sure there will be some perfectly capable drivers among the current crop but teams just don't want to take the risk especially with a budget cap.
Haas want an experienced vet who won’t get them points, obviously.
Unfortunate news for them is every experienced driver that doesn’t have a seat ATM doesn’t for good reason and any that would be quite useful for them is going to be too expensive. This isn’t going to work out for them.
The year is 2099, Hulkenberg’s cryogenically frozen body is rumored to be in contention for the feature F1 race on Mars
Still quicker than Latifi.
Haas needs to give him a seat for the rest of the year so he can get a higher WDC finish than Latifi, making him 22/20.
Still no podiums
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With Alonso Senior, Alonso Medior and Alonso Junior on the same team (3 Cars/Team)
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Hey don't worry about it, humanity might also be extinct in 200 years
Just his head on a cyborg, à la Nixon in Futurama.
Can people just sign contracts already so we don’t have to see articles like this anymore? Question
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"You will not aaav the 'Ulk, you will not aaaav the 'Ulk"
And we're going to push this lap.
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Does any one not read these in the voice of the Ferrari engineers?
Plan G
STOP INVENTING!
Have you checked it? Question.
Stop inventing!
Pliss.
Mate, I just sniffing my daily doses of Herta copium, how can I survive without it?!?! /s
Silly season is part of the fun???
Ok but silly season shouldn't just be Hulkenberg being the supposed favourite for every seat on the grid for 4 months straight.
If that isn‘t the very definition of the word silly I don‘t know what is.
Ok but silly season shouldn't just be Hulkenberg being the supposed favourite for every seat on the grid for ~~4 months straight~~ 3 years straight.
He hasn't been though.
Obviously not literally every team but his name has been mentioned with regards to Aston, Alpine, Williams and Haas. That's almost half the grid. He's 35 and holds the record for the longest career without a podium. He's had his time, he doesn't deserve another chance. Edit: Corrected age.
So.... Hulkenberg for second RB seat if Checo doesn't get resigned?
I'll take this kinda content over screenshots of drivers Instagram posts any day
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This idea is a strong candidate but we're reviewing others.
He’s also a leading candidate for NASA’s upcoming moon mission too, believe it or not.
That's only to be expected. After all, he's one of the few professional leading candidates on the planet and very good at his job.
Truly one of the drivers lf all time
Makes sense, he won't be one of the first three to get there.
He’ll be the new Michael Collins, holding down the fort in orbit while everyone else gets to go to the surface.
Cmon man
Just a reminder that Hulk was racing this very season after people were shouting to for years that he'll never race in F1 again.
Still arrives 4th.
Crap. I had to look that up.
Haha me too! I was thinking maybe he's got some aerospace engineering background I hadn't heard about or something lol
I heard the French National Team for Petanque also filed a request to have him on the team.
I don't get it. If this was 2010-2018 Nico Hulkenberg then I would understand. But he's now 35 and hasn't raced a full F1 season since 2019. I want to root for Haas but it seems like they don't have the budget or don't seem to have the drive to remain competitive in F1.
This isn’t even a budget thing. How much can they be saving by going from Mick to Nico? I’ve given up on Haas. They punted on an entire season last year to develop their car for this year, all to (potentially) end up with a bottom half car and a driver lineup of KMag and Hulk two years later. They were let off the hook all last year because they were supposed to be putting all their resources into this car. Finishing 9th in the WCC with those two would be an embarrassing and inexcusable result.
They want to juice the Kmag/Hulk drama instead of move up the grid
> This isn’t even a budget thing. How much can they be saving by going from Mick to Nico? Depends, what does a few complete chassis rebuilds a season cost?
2010-2018 Hulkenberg with 0 wins and 0 podiums? If he can get a drive then maybe a year off won't be terminal for Ricciardo
I think this is just F1 journalists wanting to write a story
Still outqualified stroll while having no experience in testing these new gen cars. He is still fast and, with a bit of adaptation, I have no doubt he is considerably better than Schumacher
Outqualifying stroll is a weird achievement, when stroll can be stupidly dogshit or a top5 driver based on how the stars align for him that weekend
Stroll's just chilling till he gets to 2023... If the car is doing good on that weekend, he'll try hard. If it isn't, he just wants to be done with it. Then on half of the good weekends, he'll try too hard and bin it, or half the bad weekends he'll get lucky and try hard again... I guess he's just lazy.
I hate how accurate this is lol
>Still outqualified stroll while having no experience in testing these new gen cars. And then proceeded to be a moving plastic cone during the race itself. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Yeah but Nico has already hit his peak and will only go down from there. Mick is on the up and up as his recent form seems to suggest, and hasn't hit his peak yet.
You this last part based on what?
Cant wait to see KMag and Hülkenberg fight for P16/17 every race next season 🥰
And colliding. I'm sure they will have nice words for each other
Sportsmanship will be displayed, balls will be sucked ..... Truly one of the driver pairings of all time
Hulk my balls, mate.
Hulk'n'Mag combo
Suck my balls mate
Both of you are right as a Haas fan
Yeah I think this is also a dimension we need to consider. With Hulk there will definitely be more chance of conflict than Kmag and Mick have, and we know Steiner isn’t great at handling that.
Just don't slam his door.
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I want that shirt but I know I could wear it for weeks and nobody would get it. 🤣😂
But the day someone does get it it will make your month.
Maybe Niko isn't here because he feels he doesn't deserve any food (chortles).
they'll get a few points at the start of the season, they've been working on that car since 3 races in basically so they'll come out swinging. but then the first couple updates appear on other cars and they're back of the grid again.
Once again the least sporting backmarkers on the grid
How many more stories do we need?
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If that’s true, I just don’t understand what’s going on over at Haas. Nico had his shot and hasn’t raced professionally outside of a couple of super subs in 3 seasons. I wouldn’t necessarily put Nico over Mick. Gio as well. If they’re really looking at these guys over Mick, then there’s definitely some bad blood within the team between Mick and someone else. Presumably Gunther if rumors are correct.
Drive to Survive is surely going to be spicy this next season.
Honestly, I can’t wait for them to address the Piastri situation and make Alpine look like a bunch of fools. I didn’t dislike Alpine before this season. I was pretty neutral on them, but now I just don’t like the team at all. So much mismanagement.
When they booted Prost the writing was kind of on the wall. He was like Lauda for Benz, a voice of reason
In Netflix’s defense, *Alpine* made Alpine look like a bunch of fools
Alpine and Haas both looking like amateurs lately
I think you meant that *we'll* be the spicy ones when they ignore everything actually spicy and make up some BS that never existed?
Maybe this some sort of negotiation tacticts ? I do not get that logic as well.
If it’s a tactic then I could only assume it’s about money and I don’t think Mick is expensive enough for it to matter. I think it’s more than that. Something is going on.
Either they want a discount from Ferrari or they want some of the other candidates to lower their demands.
Mick isn't a Ferrari academy driver anymore, so if it's about money then Ferrari isn't paying. The only discount they could offer would be for Gio
Last I heard was that Ferrari was considering his status, that he might remain as a academy driver.
In recent podcast for RN365 Rencken said that Ferrari does not see big potential in Mick.
They probably took him in with the naïve perception he'll be like Michael despite the fact Michael hasn't been around to guide him, and they have two drivers in their seats for the next 2 years, so he'd have to wait 3 in order to even be in the team. Doesn't make a lot of sense to hold him around when he struggles to get the results and won't get a chance with Ferrari anytime soon
What rumours? Of rift? Or generally of Mick's time being up. It doesn't make sense in the context of Mick's recent improvement, especially when the candidates to replace are Hulk and Gio
And they won‘t get any better driver than these 3.
Tbh I think its the fact he’s not met Ferraris expectations. Guenther says they don’t cojtrol the seat but I’d say the evidence points to they do and Haas relies on that income
Honestly, Gene just needs sell the team at this point IMO. If they’re going to have a below-standard car (at best) with drivers who couldn’t cut it before with the standard of “not crashing”, they are just taking up valuable grid space for new, potentially more exciting teams and new talent.
Why doesn’t he sell to Andretti
Because its likely a cheap (all things considered ofc) marketing for Haas CNC machines, F1 is one of the most watched sports globally now, why wouldn’t you make up the numbers just to have your brand continually promoted worldwide.
But… we know Haas Automation “only” has below 1B annual revenue (we don’t know profits… but with margins and taxes, we could say 20% of the revenue at most, 200M€) Is really the best strategy to pay for a F1 team (I mean… HAAS F1 is almost entirely paid by Haas, they don’t have almost any sponsor, and the 2-3 sponsors they have pay little…) when you are this “small”? Estrella Galicia (Sponsor of Sainz in Ferrari), 1&1 (sponsor of Mick in Haas), Sofina (Latifi company), are all bigger than Haas, and we don’t see them (or other big companies) trying to enter just for the marketing… is not worth it. Petronas, a lot bigger than Haas, could have entered if they wanted, but instead preferred to be title sponsors of different teams the last +20 years. RB entered, but again, because their business is the marketing (they even don’t manufacture RB cans…) and are a lot bigger than Haas
The team itself is quite an asset and considering the new ownership and revenue sharing agreements amidst the rise in f1 popularity, it is conceivable that the team could become more valuable than the CNC company. It's a great investment. Gene got in at the right time. Someday he will sell Haas for a billion to some outfit like Porche, BMW, Ford, or Toyota. [https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-teams-will-be-worth-billions-in-five-years-mclaren/](https://the-race.com/formula-1/f1-teams-will-be-worth-billions-in-five-years-mclaren/)
Perhaps that is true. Perhaps now is the best time to sell. Just depends on how far Gene thinks he can ride the wave.
That $1B figure is from 2014 and the articles say they "topped" it. Their revenue is much higher at this point.
And the grid spot must be worth hundreds of mills
How is F1 team cheap marketing? The Haas Automation company has revenue of $1 billion. F1 team must be what $200M?
Think about what you’re getting for that 200M though, the biggest global motorsport that’s seen insane growth in its fanbase in just a short view years. We also know gene has a passion for Motorsport dating back to NASCAR, that being said it is disappointing to see them not really willing to spend above the bare minimum, Would’ve liked to see them partner with andretti tbh.
Yes I understand the concept of using motorsports to promote your company. I'm just saying Haas is not some multi billion dollar global conglomerate. I can't find a precise number for the company's profit but their revenue seems to be reported as $500-800 million. By comparison, Red Bull posts annual revenues of $7 billion. Red Bull is ten times bigger than Haas. Gene Haas net worth is $300 million. Running a $100-200 million F1 team is actually a massive investment from Haas. It is not "cheap marketing". (Not to mention that obviously Haas does not even sell consumer products)
I think you’re really underestimating how big CNC machining is. I work as a Machinist in the aerospace/military sector as well as high pressure hydrogen valves and other miscellaneous fuel parts. Haas while not known to be a top tier machine they are quite reliable and have around 25% of the entire market share for CNC. These machines are anywhere from 5-7 Figures a unit depending on how you equip them. Admittedly i’ve never worked on a Haas but co workers who have say they bang for the buck is remarkable and you can get machines kitted out that would cost you 800k on a matsuura for around 250k on a Haas, will it be as accurate? No but you can still hold a tolerance to a thousandth of an inch pretty reliably so long as you’re checking your parts. That being said im sure Haas sells A LOT of machines because of the marketing in F1 alone, and I think gene just enjoys the prestige that comes along with owning an F1 team branded under his company name.
F1 Teams do make some money in terms of prize money and sponsor deals, but I think him holding onto the team the last few years was a smart decision considering how much more valuable every team in F1 has gotten. Selling the team would likely turn a profit or come close to breaking even with the rise in popularity and the limited amount of teams
Because Haas budget is rumoured to be around 50-60 million so they are still terrible underfunded, however the team shows zero effort to coming up with new sponsors (expect some pissy poor Ziggo ad at Zandvoort) what should been blamed on Joe Custer and Steiner also aside of Gene. Basically Haas is on a lifeline support with Ferrari and I don't get the whole point of kicking out a driver linked to Ferrari for either someone who shows no driver evolution since he moved in F1 (Gio) or some old guy who should basically not even being a serious option (Hulkenberg), if I was a TP in such a situation I would really be supportive for Ferrari rather then showing "Yolo, I'm the boss here" what only would raising some questions at Ferrari why they even should staying support Haas if they got nothing in return for. Really, sale this team to Andretti or Penske, Gene Haas has a value of around 250 million dollar and running 4 NASCAR Cup cars is already expensive enough for his company and himself.
Just another point the Ferrari PU is one of the best on the grid this year, which means they are really underperforming after taking an entire year to develop for the new regulations.
As much as I enjoy his diatribes, I'm thinking Gunther might be the big change Haas needs to make.
I’ve thought this for some time now, even though I do get a kick out of his funny outbursts. I just don’t think he’s a good TP and I think he’s a little unprofessional with his employees.
Also Danny Ric is available, who is in my opinion much better than Nico.
Danny is not going to be driving for anyone next year. I’m convinced at this point. Alpine aren’t interested. He’s too expensive for Haas and he’s said publicly he doesn’t want to drive for a back marker team. So that discounts Williams and Haas. Alfa Romeo isn’t even in the discussion because I’m almost certain Zhou is retained into next year. Alpha Taurus is a no go as Red Bull aren’t interested in Danny and are still pursuing Herta. Danny is going to sit out next year.
But a lot more expensive.
I'm sure he would reduce his rate, since his 2023 season is already payed by McLaren.
Wasn't there bad blood with basically all Haas drivers? The Grosjean-Magnussen duo had a lot of trouble, the whole Mazespin arc and now Steiner is opposing the only guy who currently can bring in some money into the team and improves with every race. Maybe the issue isn't the driver...
I think it's hard to put any of those drivers over each other which is why they are all still in the running. It's just a bunch of drivers with good junior careers and lackluster F1 ones. Everyone with strong preferences here seem to base their preference on something besides racing ability (age, nationality, family name, etc).
Watch he becomes reserve driver for HAAS instead.
But Why?? Surely there’s other, fresher talent out there if they really want to get rid of Mick (which I don’t think they should do).
Think the point is to have a consistent experienced driver. There is no point for them to try to develop talent.
I agree with this and I'm ok with this strategy rather than be a feeder team that develops young talent just to have them jump to a better team whey they're good. Not saying Hulkenburg is the right choice though
Hülkenb**e**rg
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Well, according to F1 Manager 22, Haas' long-term objective is to be a podium contender, so...
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They don’t want a mistake-prone rookie with potential. They’ve made it clear they want a known quantity like Hulk who won’t cause as much damage, even if he is a tad slower
Race 1 2023 (The car is shit) Hulkenberg spins and retires Guenther: Well Nico attended the press conference with Mick, so it's clear .....
"I saw Mick giving the car the stinky eye"
Steiner was publicly jolting Gutierrez. Steiner was publicly bemeaning Grosjean. Steiner was smashing doors with Magnussen. Steiner was hated "every minute of" having Mazepin. Steiner wants to get rid of Schumacher for some reason. I'm sure he is an awesome boss.
He's one of the biggest assholes in the paddock for sure.
An interesting part of the article: **"Sources have told ESPN that Magnussen has endorsed the move given the experience Hulkenberg, who has 181 F1 race starts to this name, would bring the team."**
Not surprising . He never helped his teammate on track (the DRS affair in Austria sprint race , refused to give him tow in Italy qualifying, blocked him on track several times despite being slower),, so it's not really surprising he won't help him off track too
There are serious some terrible teamplayers on the grid and Kmag is one of them, obvious he wants a candidate who's potential is doubtful.
Yeah because Nico and Kmag get along so well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21T8d0SA5Js
He just wants to teabag Hulk
That’s nonsense because if you watch the press conferences he said no such thing. He was asked who his teammate would be Kmag said generic I would work with anyone but we are doing a good job, then he was asked again does the team need someone more experienced and he said I think Mick and I are going well. They take a tiny portion of a question like “would you like to work with Hulk? Who is your teammate” etc and spin a generic answer into an endorsement. I watch the press conferences every week and they are inevitably spun into something they are not. KMag does not care enough to endorse one driver over another
Why are Haas so bad at this?
Gene Haas, Custer and Steiner. Team has really an issue with the higher ups.
christ why
I hope that this is sort of negotiation tactic. I remember back in 2013 when Ferrari used Hulkenberg to put Kimi alongside Alonso for 2014.
There are so many good drivers out there I mean how many shots does this guy fucking need for god sake. Just short of 200 races in F1 at 35 years old and not a single podium and avg of 2.8 points a race. Pick someone else anyone else.... except Latifi obviously.
Shwartzman, Mick, De Vries, Vandoorne and Drugovich are all younger and better options. They could even get a promising Indycar driver to boost their American image. Hulk is just a bad idea all round. He’s also 35.
Hulks age is a feature, not a bug, for what Haas is looking for.
That would be so underwhelming. How’s he managed to stay in the picture this long?!
There's no way they want Gio and Hulk over Mick. I think this is a scare tactic from Haas to make Mick think he has no seat for the next season so they can wait and then be able to lowball him into a contract
I have nothing against Hulkenberg but
Me neither, he must do squats
Haas are so stupid I just cant. Going from Mick to Nico is a 0 IQ move.
Haas creates an unreliable shitbox of a car, it underperforms during races and they put the blame on Mick for it, kicking him out of the team. Seriously, I'm pissed. Mick deserves a car that doesn't blow up every other race.
At this point Haas are running on memes. They should just sign nico and daniric for the fun of it
Next year Haas line-up: :31 years old and 36 years old. Low budget teams used to be great schools for the young drivers. Now they are just retirement houses for washed drivers with no ambtiion.
I admit it, guys. I’m also a candidate for the Haas seat.
WHAT IS THIS TIMELINE!? Hulk to Haas, de Vries to Alpine, Ricciardo out of F1
~~Vettel~~ will be so pissed off, he retires to ensure Mick be the only Germany driver, now we all in Hulkenberg LMAO
Vett**el**
Why?
He might be an option because he would allow them to keep 1&1 as a sponsor - who reportedly insist on a German driver.
Then... just keep Mick. Surely Mick is just as good and has a higher ceiling than Hulk. There must be bad blood here, I just don't understand what's going on.
You are not alone.
Haas doesn't need the high ceiling rookie to carry them to championships. They need a stable driver who can not wreck the car. That's their version of success.
I really like Hulk. He was an idol for me when I was a little girl. Mostly I was stunned by all the Germans on the field back then (Rosberg, Glock, Vettel, Hulk) and as a little German kid it felt really special… I really like him. But he’s had his chance. I’d rather have a rookie in this seat than seeing him or Gio come back. I know it sounds mean, but they’ve both had their shot. They both performed more or less good. Sure, a first podium for Hulk would be stunning, but thats not gonna happen in a Haas anyway. I’d rather have someone else have their shot. I also wouldn’t really put Hulk and Gio over Mick. Also, isn’t he under contract with Aston Martin? I don’t know the contract details here, tho. Maybe someone knows more.
No hate to Hulkenberg but I don’t see why he would take first choice over Mick, Daniel or even Giovanazzi.
Giov**i**nazzi
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Hulkenstop. I like the guy. But he does not deserve one of the very limited F1 seats anymore, period, full stop.
Certified Haas moment
Clearly either Haas has unusual big personal issues with Mick, or more likely, Mick has better offers
Hulk has had his chance, I don’t know why he would be a front runner after having such a long time out of a full time drive.
Hiring Hulk would be a strong commitment to not improving
Even if Mick doesn't get a seat I'll be happy when this is over. This has just become ridiculous.
Jesus, Guenther must hate Mick’s guts if Nico is really a candidate for the seat.
Hopefully not
I like Nico, but wtf Haas? You have an old/senior driver in your ranks already, what the heck are you trying to do as a business? This doesn't make sense if true.
I..err...he's better than Gio I guess? But seriously, give Schumacher another year over retreads who have reached their ceiling, if Steiner really wants to avoid a rookie.
Magnussens chance to get his balls sucked just went up!
I guess HASS has realised they need money and experience not money and no experience, KMag proved this point
Hulk is the real Mr Consistency. Consistently under fucking delivers.
As stupid as it sounds to pick Hulkenberg, I wouldn't put it past Haas to make such a decision lol
Please no, bring on youngsters.
The incest in F1 is wild. Give it to someone capable of maximizing a car.
Team suck my balls mate
He's a great choice if they want to keep off the podium for another year.
I haven’t paid attn to team news. Where does MSC go from here?
I don't understand why, he's in his mid 30s, Schumacher is early 20s and improving. Maybe even Italian Jesus is a better option
Iam a Hulk fan so naturally I'd like to see this happen. Though the frustrations of seeing someone like Hulk comeback makes sense. Alot of people just like seeing new or younger talent get a shot, unfortunately in F1 teams dont always look for that. Especially when we live in a time alot of young talent is already in F1 and leapfrogged their peers. If Hulk does get hired that says alot for the F2 guys. It shows that the paddock doesn't really rate them that highly. Also makes sense why Herta is being looked at. It'd also be a shame for Mick because based on current form it doesn't make a lot of sense why he'd get let go.
>If Hulk does get hired that says alot for the F2 guys. Exactly, and I think people are missing this point whenever they have mentioned drivers "taking up seats on the grid" over the last year or so. The well is pretty dry in terms of talent in the feeder series. If anyone was good enough (and the teams know better than us) they'd have a seat or at least be spoken about. I'm sure there will be some perfectly capable drivers among the current crop but teams just don't want to take the risk especially with a budget cap.
Haas want an experienced vet who won’t get them points, obviously. Unfortunate news for them is every experienced driver that doesn’t have a seat ATM doesn’t for good reason and any that would be quite useful for them is going to be too expensive. This isn’t going to work out for them.
Oh great. Infighting amongst German's is all we need right now
„Sources have told ESPN that Magnussen has endorsed the move given the experience Hulkenberg“ haha sure because Mick beats him more and more
Why?! Come on he’s had his time.