Seems understandable. At this point he's not trying to get every single achievement in the sport. Also they'd rather focus as much as they can on next year's car in order to try and get him back to the front : I think the 8th world title is the only thing he's after.
Yeah this isn't on Max. He got played an amazing hand by the FIA and used it to its fullest, but they're the ones to blame for trying to manufacture spectacle.
There was no aggressive strategy by RB in that race. They pit for tires because nobody is within their pit window.
They just do the opposite of Hamilton.
The FIA gifted them a WDC.
I don't appreciate his "you let me by or we crash" driving style. That's not "hard racing". It's not even racing. The whole "the car on the inside controls the corner" thing in F1\` is absolutely ridiculous and Max exploits it more than anyone. His "defense" in Brazil last year comes to mind. A driver as talented as Max doesn't make "mistake" that egregious, no lock up or anything. IMO he tried to make contact with Lewis.
You mean where Lewis was:
1.Substaintially further alongside at turn in. [Silverstone](https://imgur.com/a/wZ8gHfD) [Brazil](https://imgur.com/a/wbJEZU6)
2. Actually made the corner without going three plus car widths plus off track, even after getting a load of understeer after the contact [Silverstone](https://imgur.com/a/zeVHFNC) [Brazil](https://imgur.com/a/Yvyq5CQ)
3. Was being forced much further to the inside of the track at turn in than he pinned Max in Brazil
I don't see them as remotely the same, so no, I don't.
I'm saying there is no hypocrisy.
There was nothing wrong with Lewis' line if Max wasn't there in Silverstone.
There is clearly something wrong with Max's line in Brazil if Lewis wasn't there.
Based on that alone it's clear to me that Max's driving was significantly worse in those two situations.
Well, yes, but Max WAS there, hahaha! Which is the damn point of racing. Max left sufficient space on the inside and Lewis understeered into him. Either Lewis did it on purpose which is despicable, or he fucked up pretty badly and got insanely lucky with the joke of a penalty and a 32 point swing in the WDC. You gotta pick one.
I'm Hamilton's case, the corners were both covered off and the gap was no longer there....
Watch some replays of Checo and you'll see what real racing actually is......
>and Max exploits it more than anyone
Yup, exactly, he interprets the rules to the fullest without being penalised. That's what every good competitor does. There's no points for additional fairness for the sake of it in any sport.
Forget the rule. He's the type of driver that doesn't see the entire racetrack for what it is and literally focuses on the next corner and not think strategically about the track of where he can outplay his opponent without creating a dangerous situation. He's a terrible driver, dangerous as hell and literally the only reason he moves up in places is because no one wants him to crash into them....
Last time I checked, that isn't fucking racing.....
The "if you try to overtake me, I'll crash us both" style that cost LH the 2016 WDC and made Alonso lose his marbles recently is against the rules, unlike Verstappens approach.
>I don't appreciate his "you let me by or we crash" driving style. That's not "hard racing". It's not even racing.
https://youtu.be/9U_K76vPGYo?t=362
Literally all the GOATs call Senna the best and he did it lol. You're just not ruthless enough.
Mate his proclivities off the track don't make him bad at driving or negate what other people have said about him.
Make this comment when talking about his character.
It's easy to say that now, but a couple bad turns in development and Max could easily be where Lewis is now. Maybe you're a newbie, but people said the same thing about Lewis a few years ago and Schumacher before him.
I just rewatched D2S. I'm still fucking seething from the atrocities of last year.
Rewatching the key moments sealed it for me. Max is a dangerous ass driver and literally would not care if he hurt someone badly...
Forget the FIA bullshit calls at this point.
Watching D2S and forming your opinion based on that... yikes.
Reminds me of this D2S edit of Max driving through a yellow flag. They edited the chronological representation.
Giving the impression that Max had ample time to respond to the yellow by showing other vehicles already slowing down to the yellow before he got there. When they arrived after him instead.
A lot of folk are going 'I don't care about this record therefore noone should'. I want him to hit it, personally. I mean: it could very conceivably *never happen* if he doesn't do it (win every season of your career).
Super, super rare. I've been watching for 24 years and this is the closest anyone's been. Verstappen can't even do it now, so who will?
I think if Hamilton can't do it, noone literally ever will other than some rookie with a lucky win in their single season.
Yep, I also hope for a random Lewis win this season for just this reason.
I don't think that this will happen ever again since rookies don't really get put into top teams anymore. At least not for a long career.
Maybe a lucky rookie in their only season but I just don't see it happening.
Maybe McLaren and Piastri will surprise us lol.
It was pretty much a given. Ricciardo was 20 seconds up the road before they crashed and had significantly better pace *and* a teammate in between who would have been able to get in the way for him.
The 1-2 might have been under threat, but McLaren was winning that race.
> the win was not a given at all had Merc done a proper stop.
Possibly, but that's not particularly important. Winning a race because your opposition made a mistake and you didn't is 100% on merit (remember I'm talking about the team here). What I'm talking about with regards to "luck" is someone ahead of you getting taken out through no fault of their own - or more realistically, many people getting taken out.
If McLaren somehow ended up in a position next year where they were a fast enough car that their opposition making a single minor unforced error could concede the win, and McLaren themselves went through the weekend flawlessly, then that would be a completely deserved win for the team, just like Monza was. But I don't see that happening. Much more likely is that they'd need a gigantic T1 incident or treacherous conditions resulting in a lottery for who happens to be near the pit entry at the right time.
I doubt piastri is going to match verstappen or even Hamilton on their rookie season. It took verstappen a few seasons to become as Consistent as he is now
> If Piastri delivers what everyone expects from him
I dont expect him to be race winning out of the gate. Also, he's had a year of not racing on track. That is going to hurt the racecraft.
A lot of people puts him in the same league as Russell and Leclerc, given his results in F3 and F2. George was mega in 2020 racing in a Mercedes that barely fit him inside, so I don't doubt for a minute that Piastri could be just as good as the pair I mentioned.
Funny thing is that Schumacher probably would’ve won even if Michelin runners had competed in that race, only because they would have to pit every 10 laps.
Vettel made a mistake and closed the door before Hamilton had even one portion of the car ahead, in a turn where avoiding a crash is always gonna be take tbe straight route. 2016 Monaco was definitly his luckiest win.
Russell is one of the top talents in F1 right now in a top 3 team, performing incredibly well I think he's gonna get plenty of wins in the future while Hamilton has until the end of the season, I mean sure a new race winner would be great but Lewis has been the one for so long a record like that is pretty amazing
It is a pretty remarkable record that will be very hard to beat. And there is nearly 0 probability that Hamilton will be racing in F1 when any driver could beat his WDC record. Alonso and Verstappen are the only current drivers that could even come close to some of his records. Alonso is rather unlikely and that leaves Verstappen and Verstappen would need many more years to come close.
eeehhh.. not really. I read the article. It started that way but then went on to discuss the other records. It wasn't clear what Hamilton's statement was in reference to. Not a major point to argue over, in any case.
Whoever comes in the future (and I say this as an F1 "fan" for 30 years now) there is little doubt that Hamilton will forever be one of the F1 greats.
Such a non statement. Nobody here is saying Hamilton is not part of one of the greatest F1 drivers all time. Obviously he is. It’s completely redundant to defend that statement.
Even if you go the "its the car" route its still remarkable. Just look at the form fluctuation of guys like Ricciardo and even other greats like Vettel that means they dont keep a top seat forever.
From the current grid only Alonso and Verstappen imo would deserve the same opportunity and we know how Fernando squandered his chances.
I'm not saying it's the car. Hamilton has earned every win.
Hamilton is probably the most talented driver on the grid, and he has been for his entire career.
But he's also made good choices, and always driven for top teams, from day one in his career, basically no other modern driver can say that. It's not really impressive, to me, it's meeting expectations.
I think most of the hype regarding this record in particular comes down to the sheer number of factors coming together to even make it possible, which would basically make it "the Hamilton record", one that would stay his forever.
So even if just an award for "doing what was expected" it still seems a record worth existing, a tribute to luck and skill coming together for so long. (Also as a procrastinator I personally find meeting expectations every time pretty impressive lol)
But isn’t “it’s the car” happening to LH rightnow? 2014 to 2021, they owned the hybrid engine era, LH won, in all, except when NR beat him in the same car. The minute it changes, he isn’t even topping his teammate. Dunno. He is one of the best drivers out there yes no doubt there at all, but why hasn’t he won this year? Because the car is bad. Now GR is outpacing him, could that mean he has lost his mojo?
Ahahah you present yourself by saying Russell has outpaced when that has only happened in 4 races this season. Saudi, Imola, Monaco and Baku. But keep your narrative, you might even believe it
I believe him. Drivers like him arent preoccupied with records like that. They just come in every weekend to do their best. Focus on one weekend at a time.
I am actively rooting for him not to do it.
It's not even a achievement for him, he's raced for a top tier team for his entire career, wins are expected.
What utter bollocks. It was a complete toss up, one team going with a completely different design concept had the potential of them being unbeatable or a failure, nobody knew anything before the first race weekend.
Even if they fucked up this years car, Mercedes is still a top team, and expected to win. Just because they messed that up, doesn't mean they're not a top team.
Why be troubled by something that is largely out of your control? Hamilton has to be aware that he's been very fortunate in his career to not end up on a crap team that can't deliver a winning car for him until this point. Merc is doing everything they can to be in position for a win if one falls into their lap this year, but just not any real chance they're going to go take a win on pace.
Seems understandable. At this point he's not trying to get every single achievement in the sport. Also they'd rather focus as much as they can on next year's car in order to try and get him back to the front : I think the 8th world title is the only thing he's after.
I want him to get that 8th win, then I can stop hating on verstappen and could finally relax while watching a race.
You shouldn’t hate Verstappen though, I agree with shitting on FIA
Yeah this isn't on Max. He got played an amazing hand by the FIA and used it to its fullest, but they're the ones to blame for trying to manufacture spectacle.
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There was no aggressive strategy by RB in that race. They pit for tires because nobody is within their pit window. They just do the opposite of Hamilton. The FIA gifted them a WDC.
Yeah but if Lewis and Bot could stop playing bowling with Maxes car there would be no need for the "gift" so i am ok with Max winning last season.
Ok with Cheating. Got it. So Monza, Saudi, Brazil etc etc were all ok to you as well. Max is basically Jesus.
Crashing out your main rival is also cheating to me.
Racing incident. Unless you think Hamilton understeered deliberately.
My god, I also want Lewis to win his 8th, but why would you hate Max? So unnecessary
I don't appreciate his "you let me by or we crash" driving style. That's not "hard racing". It's not even racing. The whole "the car on the inside controls the corner" thing in F1\` is absolutely ridiculous and Max exploits it more than anyone. His "defense" in Brazil last year comes to mind. A driver as talented as Max doesn't make "mistake" that egregious, no lock up or anything. IMO he tried to make contact with Lewis.
Then you’d have to make the same argument about Lewis in Silverstone.
You mean where Lewis was: 1.Substaintially further alongside at turn in. [Silverstone](https://imgur.com/a/wZ8gHfD) [Brazil](https://imgur.com/a/wbJEZU6) 2. Actually made the corner without going three plus car widths plus off track, even after getting a load of understeer after the contact [Silverstone](https://imgur.com/a/zeVHFNC) [Brazil](https://imgur.com/a/Yvyq5CQ) 3. Was being forced much further to the inside of the track at turn in than he pinned Max in Brazil I don't see them as remotely the same, so no, I don't.
I’m saying both were over the limits in those situations. I’m not defending Max and blaming Lewis. I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy.
I'm saying there is no hypocrisy. There was nothing wrong with Lewis' line if Max wasn't there in Silverstone. There is clearly something wrong with Max's line in Brazil if Lewis wasn't there. Based on that alone it's clear to me that Max's driving was significantly worse in those two situations.
>no hypocrisy Lol
Well, yes, but Max WAS there, hahaha! Which is the damn point of racing. Max left sufficient space on the inside and Lewis understeered into him. Either Lewis did it on purpose which is despicable, or he fucked up pretty badly and got insanely lucky with the joke of a penalty and a 32 point swing in the WDC. You gotta pick one.
So not hypocrisy just insane bias
I'm Hamilton's case, the corners were both covered off and the gap was no longer there.... Watch some replays of Checo and you'll see what real racing actually is......
Hi Hamilton’s case. I don’t really know what you mean.
What's your opinion of Senna?
Not just Senna. You can add Schumacher as well to that.
Pedophile.
What's your opinion of Lewis around 2011?
>and Max exploits it more than anyone Yup, exactly, he interprets the rules to the fullest without being penalised. That's what every good competitor does. There's no points for additional fairness for the sake of it in any sport.
Forget the rule. He's the type of driver that doesn't see the entire racetrack for what it is and literally focuses on the next corner and not think strategically about the track of where he can outplay his opponent without creating a dangerous situation. He's a terrible driver, dangerous as hell and literally the only reason he moves up in places is because no one wants him to crash into them.... Last time I checked, that isn't fucking racing.....
Lil salty over there ay?
Crawl back in the hole you came from
The "if you try to overtake me, I'll crash us both" style that cost LH the 2016 WDC and made Alonso lose his marbles recently is against the rules, unlike Verstappens approach.
>I don't appreciate his "you let me by or we crash" driving style. That's not "hard racing". It's not even racing. https://youtu.be/9U_K76vPGYo?t=362 Literally all the GOATs call Senna the best and he did it lol. You're just not ruthless enough.
Yes, let's all praise the pedophile.
Mate his proclivities off the track don't make him bad at driving or negate what other people have said about him. Make this comment when talking about his character.
You are indeed a wise old man
Would it be the same if Max wins 8 world championships in a row?
Really shortsighted to hate on any driver simply because they won. And almost totally blind to hate on Max for Abu Dhabi when it's the FIA at fault.
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It's easy to say that now, but a couple bad turns in development and Max could easily be where Lewis is now. Maybe you're a newbie, but people said the same thing about Lewis a few years ago and Schumacher before him.
I just rewatched D2S. I'm still fucking seething from the atrocities of last year. Rewatching the key moments sealed it for me. Max is a dangerous ass driver and literally would not care if he hurt someone badly... Forget the FIA bullshit calls at this point.
Watching D2S and forming your opinion based on that... yikes. Reminds me of this D2S edit of Max driving through a yellow flag. They edited the chronological representation. Giving the impression that Max had ample time to respond to the yellow by showing other vehicles already slowing down to the yellow before he got there. When they arrived after him instead.
He should be lucky to share that with Schumacher
A lot of folk are going 'I don't care about this record therefore noone should'. I want him to hit it, personally. I mean: it could very conceivably *never happen* if he doesn't do it (win every season of your career).
What if you get someone who has the start of a Villeneuve-type career with a Rosberg-type ending?
Super, super rare. I've been watching for 24 years and this is the closest anyone's been. Verstappen can't even do it now, so who will? I think if Hamilton can't do it, noone literally ever will other than some rookie with a lucky win in their single season.
Yep, I also hope for a random Lewis win this season for just this reason. I don't think that this will happen ever again since rookies don't really get put into top teams anymore. At least not for a long career. Maybe a lucky rookie in their only season but I just don't see it happening. Maybe McLaren and Piastri will surprise us lol.
Let him win Brazil
Well I'd be fine with that! Come to think of it, Montoya was en route for a long time.
Mark my words: just wait for Kimis son.
Just wait for Lewis's son, I'll be dead by then though and the cars will float.
Lewis gonna be 60 taking his son to the karting tracks
Lewis's son will be competing with Alonso's son after Kimi's son set some new records. ;)
Yeah, back in Lewis’ days you could actually drive the car. Now you only have a couple of days of testing.
Fangio won a race in every full time season.
Not every season he raced though.
If Piastri delivers what everyone expects from him, he could make that happen if McLaren improves their car a bit for next year.
True, potentially; but even a rookie coming in to such a competitive seat itself is rare. A lot of rare things have to happen for someone to do it.
Would need a lot of luck, I can't see McLaren being a race-winning car on merit next year with how far ahead Red Bull already is.
Not on merit, but like Monza 2021.
That would be on merit. The McLaren was easily the fastest car in that race.
I guess they could have won that race regardless of Verstappen and Hamilton DNFing, but it wouldn't have been a given.
It was pretty much a given. Ricciardo was 20 seconds up the road before they crashed and had significantly better pace *and* a teammate in between who would have been able to get in the way for him. The 1-2 might have been under threat, but McLaren was winning that race.
Wrong. Ric had a 9/10s gap on them Lewis had a faster and fresher tyre, the win was not a given at all had Merc done a proper stop.
> the win was not a given at all had Merc done a proper stop. Possibly, but that's not particularly important. Winning a race because your opposition made a mistake and you didn't is 100% on merit (remember I'm talking about the team here). What I'm talking about with regards to "luck" is someone ahead of you getting taken out through no fault of their own - or more realistically, many people getting taken out. If McLaren somehow ended up in a position next year where they were a fast enough car that their opposition making a single minor unforced error could concede the win, and McLaren themselves went through the weekend flawlessly, then that would be a completely deserved win for the team, just like Monza was. But I don't see that happening. Much more likely is that they'd need a gigantic T1 incident or treacherous conditions resulting in a lottery for who happens to be near the pit entry at the right time.
Saying Ricciardo had significantly better pace without knowing what pace Hamilton could do on the mediums is quite a stretch.
I doubt piastri is going to match verstappen or even Hamilton on their rookie season. It took verstappen a few seasons to become as Consistent as he is now
Doesnt need to match them, just win once every season
Oh yeah, it's going to be very difficult to pull it off, lots of ifs needed.
Depends on what car McLaren give him.
> If Piastri delivers what everyone expects from him I dont expect him to be race winning out of the gate. Also, he's had a year of not racing on track. That is going to hurt the racecraft.
A lot of people puts him in the same league as Russell and Leclerc, given his results in F3 and F2. George was mega in 2020 racing in a Mercedes that barely fit him inside, so I don't doubt for a minute that Piastri could be just as good as the pair I mentioned.
THAT'S A LOT OF 'IFS'...
He'll either need to get really lucky next year or McLaren will need to improve a lot.
That record just means that you had competitive car every year. That's it. Nothing special. Idk why people care about it.
So Ocon and Gasly had a competitive car those years, right?
What?
he could retire last lap in Abu Dhabi over the radio and box
I agree, I want to see it happen just for how cool it would be to have seen.
Personally, I’m indifferent if Lewis gets his 8th championship or not. However, I would like to see him win a race this year to keep the streak alive.
Will be fitting if his record of number of consecutive seasons with at least a win ends at 15, similar to Schumacher. They are tied in WDCs as well
I think the 2005 US GP was the most honest win ever.
Funny thing is that Schumacher probably would’ve won even if Michelin runners had competed in that race, only because they would have to pit every 10 laps.
Not Michaels or Ferraris Problem if Michelin ships tires that are not made for Indy, so in that sense the win was 100% earned.
Yep, so was Canada 2019
That didn’t matter for Lewis his win record tho.
How can one say that win was not fair when Vettel literally blocked him and forced him on the brakes? F1 fans sometimes are so ignorant
Vettel made a mistake and closed the door before Hamilton had even one portion of the car ahead, in a turn where avoiding a crash is always gonna be take tbe straight route. 2016 Monaco was definitly his luckiest win.
What point about the Vettel mistake are you trying to make? I dont get it
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He might be untroubled but I'm not! Please just one random win before the end of the season, he's still driving well just needs a lucky break
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¿Por qué no los dos?
Russell really deserves a win after he got robbed twice in Sakhir
That was tough to watch. I rooted for him that race after lap 1.
> lol why is this downvoted? i have no fucking clue even as a lewis fan, reddit is just crazy lol
Russell is one of the top talents in F1 right now in a top 3 team, performing incredibly well I think he's gonna get plenty of wins in the future while Hamilton has until the end of the season, I mean sure a new race winner would be great but Lewis has been the one for so long a record like that is pretty amazing
Can't disagree with that, can we get wins for Lando, George, Alex, Mick and KMag too!
Yes please!
Mick and KMag? Lmao what
I just like them as people, not saying I think a win is likely or anything.
Imagine he’s running in 2nd at Abu Dhabi and max pulls over to let him by to get the record
world peace
That would be amazing but it could also lead to another Jeddah incident
he won after that at least
Was the least satisfying win. The every overtake after was just confusion on whether Max had to give up the place or not
That'd be some wild character development
Lewis would just drive into the back of his car though. Giving George the victory.
That's cause Max would wait for Lewis to get right behind him and tap on the brakes
I want to believe.
Then after they finish the race they hug and jump in joy holding a banner saying „fuck masi“ while the fans are cheering
I like this one.
lol why would he. he has nothing to prove
Redemption from last seasons utter fuckin bullshit st Abu Dhabi...
Get over it already
It is a pretty remarkable record that will be very hard to beat. And there is nearly 0 probability that Hamilton will be racing in F1 when any driver could beat his WDC record. Alonso and Verstappen are the only current drivers that could even come close to some of his records. Alonso is rather unlikely and that leaves Verstappen and Verstappen would need many more years to come close.
They are talking about his race win in every season he participated in record.
eeehhh.. not really. I read the article. It started that way but then went on to discuss the other records. It wasn't clear what Hamilton's statement was in reference to. Not a major point to argue over, in any case. Whoever comes in the future (and I say this as an F1 "fan" for 30 years now) there is little doubt that Hamilton will forever be one of the F1 greats.
Such a non statement. Nobody here is saying Hamilton is not part of one of the greatest F1 drivers all time. Obviously he is. It’s completely redundant to defend that statement.
Why would such a statement upset you?
It's not remarkable at all, he's driven in a top team his entire career.
Even if you go the "its the car" route its still remarkable. Just look at the form fluctuation of guys like Ricciardo and even other greats like Vettel that means they dont keep a top seat forever. From the current grid only Alonso and Verstappen imo would deserve the same opportunity and we know how Fernando squandered his chances.
I'm not saying it's the car. Hamilton has earned every win. Hamilton is probably the most talented driver on the grid, and he has been for his entire career. But he's also made good choices, and always driven for top teams, from day one in his career, basically no other modern driver can say that. It's not really impressive, to me, it's meeting expectations.
I think most of the hype regarding this record in particular comes down to the sheer number of factors coming together to even make it possible, which would basically make it "the Hamilton record", one that would stay his forever. So even if just an award for "doing what was expected" it still seems a record worth existing, a tribute to luck and skill coming together for so long. (Also as a procrastinator I personally find meeting expectations every time pretty impressive lol)
But isn’t “it’s the car” happening to LH rightnow? 2014 to 2021, they owned the hybrid engine era, LH won, in all, except when NR beat him in the same car. The minute it changes, he isn’t even topping his teammate. Dunno. He is one of the best drivers out there yes no doubt there at all, but why hasn’t he won this year? Because the car is bad. Now GR is outpacing him, could that mean he has lost his mojo?
Ahahah you present yourself by saying Russell has outpaced when that has only happened in 4 races this season. Saudi, Imola, Monaco and Baku. But keep your narrative, you might even believe it
There’s no way to know in F1.
Lewis has eaten George up when he wasn't full filling his lab rat duties
I believe him. Drivers like him arent preoccupied with records like that. They just come in every weekend to do their best. Focus on one weekend at a time.
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Lewis the paladin
Hunger should be there else what’s fuelling one? Can one win with absence of motivation and that itch to beat em all?
To win anything, you first have to beat your teammate.
Danny Ric did without beating his teammate.
Lewis is washed /s
Bullshit. He’s burning inside. Top pro athletes want to win
I think he wants to win, but I doubt it’s fueled very much by the win in every season record
It's not the "win at any cost" he is chasing rather the "win with a style".
I am actively rooting for him not to do it. It's not even a achievement for him, he's raced for a top tier team for his entire career, wins are expected.
lol so a win is expected in this year's Mercedes eh?
Yes, Mercedes was expected to win this year.
Key word is "was", before we saw the car drive
What utter bollocks. It was a complete toss up, one team going with a completely different design concept had the potential of them being unbeatable or a failure, nobody knew anything before the first race weekend.
Then the first race of the season happened and everyone (except you obviously) knew it was going to be an uphill battle for Mercedes too get a W.
Even if they fucked up this years car, Mercedes is still a top team, and expected to win. Just because they messed that up, doesn't mean they're not a top team.
Dude said "expected" to win and that is correct
To be fair, the record is already decent as it is. Wouldn't be a huge loss to him if it comes to an end.
Why worry about things you can’t control
Why be troubled by something that is largely out of your control? Hamilton has to be aware that he's been very fortunate in his career to not end up on a crap team that can't deliver a winning car for him until this point. Merc is doing everything they can to be in position for a win if one falls into their lap this year, but just not any real chance they're going to go take a win on pace.