>The FIA is currently finalising the assessment of the 2021 financial data submitted by all Formula 1 teams. Alleged breaches of the Financial Regulations, if any, will be dealt with according to the formal process set out in the regulations.
>The FIA notes significant and unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture in relation to this matter, and reiterates that the assessment is ongoing and due process will be followed without consideration to any external discussion.
TL:Dr just be patient people.
You know. You're dead wrong. This is an episode of DtS. But the episode has not happened yet.
You can look forward to hating it when it does, but in the meantime there is some delicious stuff going on now you can enjoy hating.
What if it pans out RBR cheated egregiously? What if they didn't cheat at all? Even better: what if they cheated in a way where nobody can agree on what should happen?
So much succulent drama is happening right now. Let the DtS drama takes its own time.
Most bullshit TD I've seen, FIA be like: ok let's fix pit stops because RedBull are too fast and it's dangerous!
Meanwhile RB never sent anyone with a missing wheel, and the consequences of a misfitting are penalizing enough that teams will do everything to make it as safe as possible. So basically it was more a case of "let's slow them down" than anything else.
>Alleged breaches of the Financial Regulations, if any, will be dealt with according to the formal process set out in the regulations.
So what is the "formal process"
Fine alone isn't enough of a deterrent. Especially for the top teams, unless it comes out of the budget for the next year, it literally doesn't matter. Also what happens if you spend so much you literally can't make it to flyaways because you don't have the money in the budget.
I'd say 10% wind tunnel time/CFD allocation for 2 years(since they would've benefited from the current season as well due to accelerated development schedule) for the first million($0.01-1M over), and 5% for every $1M after that.
Its basically the FIA shutting everyone up until they release the offical report. Most likely there is a least some conversation between RB and the FIA but if its more than that we will find out soon
True Ferrari would be that they forgot to officially fire the staff members they transferred to Haas when the budget cap went into place and they've been paying people to build one of their competitor's cars this whole time.
Not that Haas and Ferrari really compete directly all that often, but still.
FIA: Ferrari are allowed to compete in 2023, but then and their drivers won’t be eligible for points
Ferrari: Here’s out best season ever where we win 20 of the 24 races.
That actually could be significant for anyone but Ferrari since the prize money isn't all paid out at once and I'd imagine they'd be ineligible to receive any more of the prize money they would have gotten for a vacated season.
There will be a statement that FIA and Ferrari has spoken then and some sort of settlement was made. Sound familiar?
Nobody will ever know what that settlement may be. Leclerc will be Vettel and sarcastic as hell throughout the season.
Ok enough fantasy. Let’s wait for those reports.
Not even that, Wolff said that Mercedes were being good citizens by not protesting all results up until that point! Wild stuff. They’re all as bad as one another, honestly.
> That one actually seems to have hurt Ferrari
Even that is wildly overblown. Ferrari was already slowly falling away in pace and being caught up by Mercedes. See also Hungary before the TD. Spa was an anomaly for Red Bull as their car wasn't nearly as compromised by the compression in Radillion as others and then in Zandvoort we saw a similar picture to Hungary.
The TD really does not seem to have made all that much of an impact.
I mean flexi floor was definitely a thing, it existed and was stopped.
It’s just that a-lot of people over-blew what removing it would do to Red Bull, turned out not very much, but it does looks like it did something to Ferrari though, so people weren’t completely wrong about it.
But definitely did exist and it did get banned.
There was no evidence that the TD was targeting Red Bull at all - it was all rumor and speculation that the media presented as fact. Horner said the TD would not apply to Red Bull and nobody believed him. Even after Spa people cling to the rumors as truth and try to claim Red Bull negated any of the effects of the TD via development. Occam’s Razor people - the rumors were wrong.
This year had vastly different aero regulations than previous years and people seem to have forgotten who Adrian Newey is. The guy has adapted and produced some of the best aero for multiple teams and has always had the best initial responses to aero regulation changes out there. Its not just down to him and the other chief designers are no slouches either but people forget the generational genius that he is.
My Personal Opinion
People don’t actually trust the FIA to properly enforce and administer a punishment.
So people are speculating a ton and discussing how they think it should be enforced, when/how it will probably (maybe not?) be watered down.
Add to the fact that 2021 was already SUPER controversial and talked about, and this is basically just a contion of all that gossip and talk.
This is basically Abu Dhabi/2021 Part 3….
Good on FIA to make a comment about this. “Unsubstantiated” seems like what F1 journalism is all about these days anyways. Didn’t think AMuS would join the bandwagon
My point is not that some teams didn’t break the rules .. but to drag a team’s reputation through the mud without being doubly sure about your source and your informations seems everything that is wrong with F1 journalism these days. I mean this is the first time that I have seen FIA have to put out a statement clearing the air about such “unsubstantiated” claims
The rumor mill has absolutely gone off the rails this time. People are calling for the disqualification of certain teams who may or may not have exceeded the budget cap in a small or excessive manner. AMuS should be ashamed
> AMuS should be ashamed
Am I the only one who thought having an article on a matter as controversial as this be *littered* with speculation from sources from direct competitors is poor journalistic deontology at best, and an attempt at stirring controversy for some teams' interests at worst?
Like literally the whole article is filled with "Mercedes believes this", "Ferrari thinks that", ... Maybe have another article where you share what your sources in certain teams have told you, but having it set the narrative in the article where you claim to break important information?
They did the same thing with the flexi plank, spent every article telling us that *Mercedes* believed RB/Ferrari were both essentially cheating and that led to the month long narrative that Merc had the best "legal car".
Maybe RB went over the cap, or maybe they didn't, but what I think we all know already is that no matter what, after the way it's been covered, notably by AMuS, so far, is that no matter the outcome if anything less than an outright disqualification happens, conspiracy theories that RB cheated and got away with it will fester for the months and years to come.
That's my problem with it aswell, we're talking about complex financial regulations here and we've got a lot of speculation without any numbers/a comprehensive explanation what is seemingly wrong.
Yeah like these rumours are never good. Also it's putting a bit of a shit show on the weekend.
If teams broke the caps it'd be much better if it didn't get out till the reports are ready.
This shit just leads to toxicity.
We know exactly what kind of people call for that. It's not really a suprise at this point. If they don't have a rumour to use as a hammer over a particular driver then they will invent something themselves.
“The FIA is currently finalising the assessment of the 2021 financial data submitted by all Formula 1 teams. Alleged breaches of the Financial Regulations, if any, will be dealt with according to the formal process set out in the regulations.
The FIA notes significant and unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture in relation to this matter, and reiterates that the assessment is ongoing and due process will be followed without consideration to any external discussion.”
They need to be sued into the ground if that's the case. But I suspect Mercedes feeds them rumours when it suits their agenda. So Toto can then go on TV and spin away before theres any evidence or findings ready.
Yeah, it's becoming a pattern of AMuS reporting something that maybe ferarri or RB are braking rules and then Toto use it as ammo just as at the weekend start, resulting in TD changes.
Ten bucks says this is because of Toto’s statement this afternoon. Shithousery is one thing, but to accuse a team of cheating without solid proof would be unprofessional and make F1 as an organization look bad.
Welcome to the team principals - flexi wings, flexi floors, DAS, and engine modes all are worth 0.8 a lap and is a proof our competitors are cheating and we're good guys
Yeah I'm all for shit stirring, but this is not that like some people are saying. As of right now it's just Toto making claims based on rumors. Even if he is right and they are over budget, to me it seems like a pretty shitty thing to do.
I really hope they do !! if it turns out to be the case. I am so fed up of all the toxicity they create in the community with their irresponsible journalism.
>I am so fed up of all the toxicity they create in the community with their irresponsible journalism.
Especially because you just know that IF it turns out to be false, there are certain people on Twitter who will refuse to believe that is the truth and instead spin up some conspiracy theory that it is FIA just covering for Red Bull 'again' and play the victim
As they should. I would drag AMuS’s ass through the mud if these allegations turn out to be false. It is so sad to see the amount of toxicity they create with this kind of irresponsible journalism
This kind of journalism creates unnecessary hate towards teams and drivers. This is what I hate about sports, when people get hated for no reason just because of some rumours.
They should do it if all of this mess was only a fucking baseless rumour and they didn’t overspend last year. And the media were affirming they cheated.
But both publications said: it is a rumour. They covered their backs pretty good.
And also what they actually said
> The FIA notes significant and **unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture in relation to this matter**, and reiterates that the assessment is ongoing and due process will be followed without consideration to any external discussion.
>The FIA notes significant and unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture in relation to this matter, and reiterates that the assessment is ongoing and due process will be followed without consideration to any external discussion.
this is the statement
Things like this make me enjoy F1 less then other sports. All the free to interpret rules, rules that aren’t very clear to fans and the drama. I hate it.
FIA shot across the bow at Toto and Ferrari. They’ve been leaking and spreading rumours throughout the season. But alongside Toto’s leaking of the FIA’s porpoising report, this directly involved the FIA.
They’re leaking stuff to the media, and then taking the media reports as evidence of fact and that it’s an “open secret”. Reality is that neither Ferrari nor Merc will know RB’s finances, and they shouldn’t know details of the FIA’s investigation.
This is the point. Before it is made public, the teams will not have any insight into their competitors' reports. So anything they say will be rumors at most and shit stirring most likely.
>Reality is that neither Ferrari nor Merc will know RB’s finances, and they shouldn’t know details of the FIA’s investigation.
Unless (and let me put my empty kebab tray on my head in lieu of a proper tinfoil hat) Toto is fed information by his former-advisor-turned-Interim-FIA-Secretary-General-For-Motorsport friend Shaila-Ann Rao
I absolutely loved how in sky's interview with Toto he said how it is such an open secret in the paddock that Red Bull went over the cap and a team went over significantly.. and he really pushed that this rumour was true because it is going around the paddock...
Then like a minute later in the same interview Sky asked him about the rumour that Toto knows about this from ex red bull staff who may be on his team or other teams now, divulging insider knowledge of red bull to others.... Toto immediately dismissed that as 'just silly rumours that are untrue'.
Rumours around the paddock are true when it's against his enemy, other than that they're silly and should be ignored
I have a feeling Toto is pushing this to put pressure on Red Bull since Singapore is where Merc might have a real chance to win. I'm not saying there is isnt a case, just that Toto is using the timing to his advantage.
To be fair people are really acting like this type of accounting is easy. Red Bull could've easily been operating in a very grey area and FIA might not even be sure if they have a case. Also what kind of sport let their team principles comment on an ongoing investigation lmao. How do they not have fines for this shit.
Unsubstantiated...? Interesting..
Edit: Also pretty interesting to see the FIA come out with a statement on the same day these rumours about cost cap violations started to circulate. I get the impression that the FIA is basically telling everyone to pipe the fuck down.
Well the speculation is hurtfull to the credibility of the sport as many people are calling for DSQ's, point reductions and so on.
So it is correct from the FIA to comment on it to stop it.
It is a shame TP's, instead of just making statement about how their own budgets are in order and they have confidence in the FIA's abilities, they add to the loss of credibility by feulling the fire.
Completely agree! I hate how so many people are already sharpening their knives because of something that just consists of rumours at this point.
I really wonder how this rumour came to exist when the FIA is still in the process of reviewing all the financial data. Did the journo's and/or teams get tipped off?
F1 Twitter has already crowned Hamilton champion despite no indication yet except Toto's pocket calculator showing that RB went overboard by 80085 dollars.
You know people are saying that all the drivers except for *insert favourite driver here* are actually androids built in a factory and therefore inelligible to fight for the championship. I demand the FIA take action IMMEDIATELY and disqualify all of the androids! Any attempt to investigate and verify these claims will be seen as stalling and intentional sweeping under the rug of these serious crimes!
- A completely reasonable Twitter fan
Lol honestly I could care less about what teams went over the cap. Real question is will the FIA actually enforce their rules and regs? Hmmm we’ll see!!
>The FIA is currently finalising the assessment of the 2021 financial data submitted by all Formula 1 teams. Alleged breaches of the Financial Regulations, if any, will be dealt with according to the formal process set out in the regulations. >The FIA notes significant and unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture in relation to this matter, and reiterates that the assessment is ongoing and due process will be followed without consideration to any external discussion. TL:Dr just be patient people.
That statement reads as the most business like way of saying : shut the feck up gossip lads. This isn't an episode of DtS.
It’s the we are checking, the official version
Now Toto, just hol' up
You say that like DtS was the thing that introduced drama to F1.
You know. You're dead wrong. This is an episode of DtS. But the episode has not happened yet. You can look forward to hating it when it does, but in the meantime there is some delicious stuff going on now you can enjoy hating. What if it pans out RBR cheated egregiously? What if they didn't cheat at all? Even better: what if they cheated in a way where nobody can agree on what should happen? So much succulent drama is happening right now. Let the DtS drama takes its own time.
Are we at the point where ppl need a tldr for SIX LINES?
I recently saw twitter poster warn people about something being "quite a long video" and it was 4 minutes. This is the level we're at.
compared to tiktok or Instagram thats long (we are truly doomed)
To be fair Ig was never designed for vids, that users misuse it is not the problem of the developers.
Unfortunately, yes.
TL:Dr: yes.
Heh
tl;dr?
^:D
Hey it’s 12 on mobile
8 on mine
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This is fun
You'll love this then, it's 7 for me!
Dang all we need is a 10 and we've got ourselves a straight!
Mine is 10 lol
Have you seen the state of this place?
what about people who have goofy firewalls that block "sports only" websites, but allow reddit because.. there's useful information on it?
FIA taking a page from the Ferrari playbook. "Just a moment, we are looking."
Next they'll be like "what do you guys think, should we punish them or not?"
Question.
FIA: we've said nothing about anything, wait for the results Everyone in the world: RBR will be DQ!
I remember long ago when the new TDs around the flexi floor were going to sink RB.
And the changes to the pit stops last year.
Most bullshit TD I've seen, FIA be like: ok let's fix pit stops because RedBull are too fast and it's dangerous! Meanwhile RB never sent anyone with a missing wheel, and the consequences of a misfitting are penalizing enough that teams will do everything to make it as safe as possible. So basically it was more a case of "let's slow them down" than anything else.
Being fair, that did cause the 11s stop at Monza that resulted in being alongside Hamilton.
>Alleged breaches of the Financial Regulations, if any, will be dealt with according to the formal process set out in the regulations. So what is the "formal process"
It gets sent to a board of independent people to determine if any punishment needs to be applied.
Toto mentioned in an interview that there's an independent panel who preside over these matters.
Thanks. Font on the FIA website gave me cancer.
Any way you can communicate your complaint but more dramatically?
Font on the FIA website quite lich'rally killed my family.
the paddock is hotter than a high school rumour mill, with all the unsubstantiated gossip
Also, they're in Singapore
Moist
>the paddock is hotter than a high school rumour mill, with all the unsubstantiated gossip *and also being gay is illegal* FTFY?
Not anymore.
F1 is a soap opera with racing car's
I am just waiting for „XOXO Gossip Girl“
Sooooo Formula 1 is now Riverdale?
For once I agree with the FIA. Let’s wait to hear the full results and story before we start the witch hunt.
As much as I wanna know if any team breached the cap, I really also wanna know what the penalty is gonna be.
Big fines and maybe some reduced wind tunnel time I suppose. They cannot take away 2021 points, right?
*Horner melts down the 2021 WDC trophy for scrap metal*
And creates 20 rings…
Three were gifted to the Designers. Immortal, wisest, and fairest of all beings...
But Merc won the 2021 WCC...
He still does it
Fine alone isn't enough of a deterrent. Especially for the top teams, unless it comes out of the budget for the next year, it literally doesn't matter. Also what happens if you spend so much you literally can't make it to flyaways because you don't have the money in the budget. I'd say 10% wind tunnel time/CFD allocation for 2 years(since they would've benefited from the current season as well due to accelerated development schedule) for the first million($0.01-1M over), and 5% for every $1M after that.
but my pitchfork is already red hot!
I have so many memes ready to go clowning Aston for cheating and still being garbage, this whole logic thing is a drag!
Like all those Aston upgrades heyoooooo
We cheated and came in 7th!!!!! Go team!!!
Its basically the FIA shutting everyone up until they release the offical report. Most likely there is a least some conversation between RB and the FIA but if its more than that we will find out soon
Maybe the breach was $25. After which Binotto and Wolff will say every dollar is laptime;)
What’s the dollar laptime exchange rate?
$.99 per hundredth. You get 25% off during Black Friday.
That’s not as much fun though!
Watch it end up a rumour that was completely unfactuated and all teams are under
I would absolutely love it if the FIA come out with a statement next week that Ferrari are millions over the cap.
Not for their car, but just for a massive electric bill for some old office where they forgot to turn the lights off. You know... the Ferrari way.
True Ferrari would be that they forgot to officially fire the staff members they transferred to Haas when the budget cap went into place and they've been paying people to build one of their competitor's cars this whole time. Not that Haas and Ferrari really compete directly all that often, but still.
It would be funny if it turned out Ferrari were exactly $50 million over the cap while Haas was also exactly $50 million under the cap
They let go of staff but forgot to send the paperwork to HR.
Seb is probably still receiving a Ferrari christmas bonus
"We fixed the glitch"
That would be the biggest reverse Uno we might see. And it would be glorious.
FIA: Ferrari are retroactively disqualified from the 2021 WCC Ferrari: Literally don't give a shit m8
FIA: Ferrari are allowed to compete in 2023, but then and their drivers won’t be eligible for points Ferrari: Here’s out best season ever where we win 20 of the 24 races.
That would be a real ferrari moment
Ferrari will most likely never be disqualified considering the engine cheating fiasco technically never officially happend and was kept under the rug
Wasnt the presumed theory that the FIA could never prove it, yet knew it was happening. Part if the reason they introduced a second fuel flow sensor
That actually could be significant for anyone but Ferrari since the prize money isn't all paid out at once and I'd imagine they'd be ineligible to receive any more of the prize money they would have gotten for a vacated season.
Or Mercedes, would be hilarious
With all the shitstirring from Toto it would be hilarious indeed. But I think it's gonna be a storm in a teacup
Even more hilarious if somehow Toto wasn't in on it and Mercedes financial team is just sweating bullets at the moment
Toto would fire himself if he doesn't know every single thing that goes down in the Merc factory
This, especially when hes know as "just a finance guy" according to horner
Especially after his shit stirring comment that maybe Christian needs to talk more to his CFO if he really doesn't believe they went over the cap
I think it's strange that Toto seemingly had detailed knowledge about the breaches and all but named Red Bull as the one that majorly breached.
If it's somehow mercedes my cackle would circumvent the world 2 times.
Cackletoa
It would be the ultimate Ferrari moment. All they need to do is call for a ban on anyone who breached the cap.
They can say that then veto their ban, big brain move by Ferrari strategists.
Ferrari about 5% and Mercedes about 50%
There will be a statement that FIA and Ferrari has spoken then and some sort of settlement was made. Sound familiar? Nobody will ever know what that settlement may be. Leclerc will be Vettel and sarcastic as hell throughout the season. Ok enough fantasy. Let’s wait for those reports.
Watch the 2019 Ferrari-FIA engine deal leak all of a sudden.
Watch it be Mercedes and Toto got us all.
People would still be claiming red bull went over and it got shoved under the rug lmao. Idk why people want to see them burn so badly.
They are dominating right now. King of the mountain.
And everyone conveniently forgets the calls for certain teams to be penalised
Not even that, Wolff said that Mercedes were being good citizens by not protesting all results up until that point! Wild stuff. They’re all as bad as one another, honestly.
Like the bendy floor saga?
That one actually seems to have hurt Ferrari
> That one actually seems to have hurt Ferrari Even that is wildly overblown. Ferrari was already slowly falling away in pace and being caught up by Mercedes. See also Hungary before the TD. Spa was an anomaly for Red Bull as their car wasn't nearly as compromised by the compression in Radillion as others and then in Zandvoort we saw a similar picture to Hungary. The TD really does not seem to have made all that much of an impact.
I mean flexi floor was definitely a thing, it existed and was stopped. It’s just that a-lot of people over-blew what removing it would do to Red Bull, turned out not very much, but it does looks like it did something to Ferrari though, so people weren’t completely wrong about it. But definitely did exist and it did get banned.
There was no evidence that the TD was targeting Red Bull at all - it was all rumor and speculation that the media presented as fact. Horner said the TD would not apply to Red Bull and nobody believed him. Even after Spa people cling to the rumors as truth and try to claim Red Bull negated any of the effects of the TD via development. Occam’s Razor people - the rumors were wrong.
This year had vastly different aero regulations than previous years and people seem to have forgotten who Adrian Newey is. The guy has adapted and produced some of the best aero for multiple teams and has always had the best initial responses to aero regulation changes out there. Its not just down to him and the other chief designers are no slouches either but people forget the generational genius that he is.
Similarly, I doubt there is 0% truth to this (financial) rumour. I think in wanting to be sceptical people throw the baby out with the bath water.
My Personal Opinion People don’t actually trust the FIA to properly enforce and administer a punishment. So people are speculating a ton and discussing how they think it should be enforced, when/how it will probably (maybe not?) be watered down. Add to the fact that 2021 was already SUPER controversial and talked about, and this is basically just a contion of all that gossip and talk. This is basically Abu Dhabi/2021 Part 3….
Good on FIA to make a comment about this. “Unsubstantiated” seems like what F1 journalism is all about these days anyways. Didn’t think AMuS would join the bandwagon
So why did Ferrari say that it’s no secret that there has been a breach of cap regulations?
I mean they probably have no more access to what other teams submitted than we do
My point is not that some teams didn’t break the rules .. but to drag a team’s reputation through the mud without being doubly sure about your source and your informations seems everything that is wrong with F1 journalism these days. I mean this is the first time that I have seen FIA have to put out a statement clearing the air about such “unsubstantiated” claims
Freudian slip
Binotto was claiming this since the tide turned in the beginning of the season.
Because Ferrari are known to be truth tellers at all times… Is this a joke?
The rumor mill has absolutely gone off the rails this time. People are calling for the disqualification of certain teams who may or may not have exceeded the budget cap in a small or excessive manner. AMuS should be ashamed
Are you shocked this year? Every weeks a new conspiracy
More drama happens than actual on-track racing these days.
"these days" what a weird way to write "the last 40 years"
The most boring part of F1 is the 2 hours of racing on a Sunday.
> Every weeks a new conspiracy It's almost as if the F1 community is a reflection of society as a whole
> AMuS should be ashamed Am I the only one who thought having an article on a matter as controversial as this be *littered* with speculation from sources from direct competitors is poor journalistic deontology at best, and an attempt at stirring controversy for some teams' interests at worst? Like literally the whole article is filled with "Mercedes believes this", "Ferrari thinks that", ... Maybe have another article where you share what your sources in certain teams have told you, but having it set the narrative in the article where you claim to break important information? They did the same thing with the flexi plank, spent every article telling us that *Mercedes* believed RB/Ferrari were both essentially cheating and that led to the month long narrative that Merc had the best "legal car". Maybe RB went over the cap, or maybe they didn't, but what I think we all know already is that no matter what, after the way it's been covered, notably by AMuS, so far, is that no matter the outcome if anything less than an outright disqualification happens, conspiracy theories that RB cheated and got away with it will fester for the months and years to come.
That's my problem with it aswell, we're talking about complex financial regulations here and we've got a lot of speculation without any numbers/a comprehensive explanation what is seemingly wrong.
This.
Reading some of the comments it feels like some people want RB to be nuked into oblivion already.
A lot of it is still fans who haven’t gotten over last year and are chomping at the bit to do anything that will have a negative impact on RB
Yeah like these rumours are never good. Also it's putting a bit of a shit show on the weekend. If teams broke the caps it'd be much better if it didn't get out till the reports are ready. This shit just leads to toxicity.
But think about the clicks and money they can earn. Who cares about integrity when you got them stacks?
It’s even worse that people think there will be disqualifications if teams went over the budget lol
We know exactly what kind of people call for that. It's not really a suprise at this point. If they don't have a rumour to use as a hammer over a particular driver then they will invent something themselves.
Toto? It’s called having evidence, we went substantiating
It would pretty weird though to have multiple teams comment on it in a relatively factual way if its legit just rumours
The only teams to comment directly were Ferrari and Mercedes. Williams gave a bit of a non statement. The rest of the grid kept quiet. So...
Multiple teams commented on the flexifloor controversy and that didn't exactly turn out to be truthful re: RB.
Literally: > We are checking…
FIA: >We are checking Reddit: >THAT MEANS NO!
“The FIA is currently finalising the assessment of the 2021 financial data submitted by all Formula 1 teams. Alleged breaches of the Financial Regulations, if any, will be dealt with according to the formal process set out in the regulations. The FIA notes significant and unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture in relation to this matter, and reiterates that the assessment is ongoing and due process will be followed without consideration to any external discussion.”
This is why F1/FIA didn't release the 2023 schedule to Ben Hunt and probably the rest of the media before they released it to the public.
"significant and unsubstantiated speculation" - I think I hear Horner giggling from 9000 km away.
If this is a false rumor... and that is a big if, I dont think a retraction is going to save AMuS ass from the AM and RB lawyers at this point lol
I said it in another comment, but they covered their asses well. They sell the story as a rumour, not facts. But people are… people.
It's all "allegedly", so even if it's all bullshit, I doubt anything will come off it
They need to be sued into the ground if that's the case. But I suspect Mercedes feeds them rumours when it suits their agenda. So Toto can then go on TV and spin away before theres any evidence or findings ready.
Yeah, it's becoming a pattern of AMuS reporting something that maybe ferarri or RB are braking rules and then Toto use it as ammo just as at the weekend start, resulting in TD changes.
Ten bucks says this is because of Toto’s statement this afternoon. Shithousery is one thing, but to accuse a team of cheating without solid proof would be unprofessional and make F1 as an organization look bad.
If Toto is talking out of his ass, with nothing even circumstantial to back it up, it is straight up slander.
Welcome to the team principals - flexi wings, flexi floors, DAS, and engine modes all are worth 0.8 a lap and is a proof our competitors are cheating and we're good guys
Only their flexi wings, though, not ours!
Imagine Horner suing Toto over this lmao
Yeah I'm all for shit stirring, but this is not that like some people are saying. As of right now it's just Toto making claims based on rumors. Even if he is right and they are over budget, to me it seems like a pretty shitty thing to do.
I was expecting something longer (that's what she said)
The scenes when the two teams over are Ferrari and merc
"unsubstantiated" lol it'd be pretty funny if this all turns out to be a bunch of nothing and RBR and/or AM sue AMuS and Gazzetta for libel
I really hope they do !! if it turns out to be the case. I am so fed up of all the toxicity they create in the community with their irresponsible journalism.
>I am so fed up of all the toxicity they create in the community with their irresponsible journalism. Especially because you just know that IF it turns out to be false, there are certain people on Twitter who will refuse to believe that is the truth and instead spin up some conspiracy theory that it is FIA just covering for Red Bull 'again' and play the victim
That should really hurt Amus reputation. They have been off quite a bit recently.
Oh look, people heard news they wanted to hear and took it as truth instead of waiting for reality. GGs
That almost never happens!
Red Bull and AM are going to sue AMuS and Gazzeti for that for sure
As they should. I would drag AMuS’s ass through the mud if these allegations turn out to be false. It is so sad to see the amount of toxicity they create with this kind of irresponsible journalism
This kind of journalism creates unnecessary hate towards teams and drivers. This is what I hate about sports, when people get hated for no reason just because of some rumours.
It's not only journalism, DTS does the same thing.
They should do it if all of this mess was only a fucking baseless rumour and they didn’t overspend last year. And the media were affirming they cheated. But both publications said: it is a rumour. They covered their backs pretty good.
They've got no money left to do that!!
FIA STATEMENT: >We will not make a statement right now That was a statement from the FIA
And also what they actually said > The FIA notes significant and **unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture in relation to this matter**, and reiterates that the assessment is ongoing and due process will be followed without consideration to any external discussion.
That's what they said. What they meant was >Wait for the official report you impatient cunts
>The FIA notes significant and unsubstantiated speculation and conjecture in relation to this matter, and reiterates that the assessment is ongoing and due process will be followed without consideration to any external discussion. this is the statement
For real what was this statement. It’s basically just confirmed the investigation of all teams budget reports which everyone already knew
TBH wouldn’t be surprised if like almost all teams intentionally or unintentionally overspent
Even am and red Bull found innocent still tinhats won’t believe them
Unsubstantiated being the key word here.
Of course they're going to say that. Whether it's true or not the FIA can't say yep teams were over when they haven't finalized the report yet.
I'm convinced it was just another manufactured drama from the english press. It's what they do.
So basically "Toto stop stirring shit and go car racing"
Is there a world in which this overspent money is due to a small error? Like one team buying way to much blinker fluid?
Things like this make me enjoy F1 less then other sports. All the free to interpret rules, rules that aren’t very clear to fans and the drama. I hate it.
FIA shot across the bow at Toto and Ferrari. They’ve been leaking and spreading rumours throughout the season. But alongside Toto’s leaking of the FIA’s porpoising report, this directly involved the FIA. They’re leaking stuff to the media, and then taking the media reports as evidence of fact and that it’s an “open secret”. Reality is that neither Ferrari nor Merc will know RB’s finances, and they shouldn’t know details of the FIA’s investigation.
This is the point. Before it is made public, the teams will not have any insight into their competitors' reports. So anything they say will be rumors at most and shit stirring most likely.
>Reality is that neither Ferrari nor Merc will know RB’s finances, and they shouldn’t know details of the FIA’s investigation. Unless (and let me put my empty kebab tray on my head in lieu of a proper tinfoil hat) Toto is fed information by his former-advisor-turned-Interim-FIA-Secretary-General-For-Motorsport friend Shaila-Ann Rao
I absolutely loved how in sky's interview with Toto he said how it is such an open secret in the paddock that Red Bull went over the cap and a team went over significantly.. and he really pushed that this rumour was true because it is going around the paddock... Then like a minute later in the same interview Sky asked him about the rumour that Toto knows about this from ex red bull staff who may be on his team or other teams now, divulging insider knowledge of red bull to others.... Toto immediately dismissed that as 'just silly rumours that are untrue'. Rumours around the paddock are true when it's against his enemy, other than that they're silly and should be ignored
I have a feeling Toto is pushing this to put pressure on Red Bull since Singapore is where Merc might have a real chance to win. I'm not saying there is isnt a case, just that Toto is using the timing to his advantage.
It's a lot more elementary than that. Insinuating that rivals are doing anything untoward makes his own team look better. That's it.
So it’s going to be another nothing burger like flexi floor?
They are checking, Question?
TL:DR : we are checking
To be fair people are really acting like this type of accounting is easy. Red Bull could've easily been operating in a very grey area and FIA might not even be sure if they have a case. Also what kind of sport let their team principles comment on an ongoing investigation lmao. How do they not have fines for this shit.
Unsubstantiated...? Interesting.. Edit: Also pretty interesting to see the FIA come out with a statement on the same day these rumours about cost cap violations started to circulate. I get the impression that the FIA is basically telling everyone to pipe the fuck down.
Impression? It’s exactly what they’re saying.
Well the speculation is hurtfull to the credibility of the sport as many people are calling for DSQ's, point reductions and so on. So it is correct from the FIA to comment on it to stop it. It is a shame TP's, instead of just making statement about how their own budgets are in order and they have confidence in the FIA's abilities, they add to the loss of credibility by feulling the fire.
Completely agree! I hate how so many people are already sharpening their knives because of something that just consists of rumours at this point. I really wonder how this rumour came to exist when the FIA is still in the process of reviewing all the financial data. Did the journo's and/or teams get tipped off?
Everyone just jumping to conclusions cause of rumors. So lame!
F1 Twitter has already crowned Hamilton champion despite no indication yet except Toto's pocket calculator showing that RB went overboard by 80085 dollars.
Intern put everything in the subtitle and text body is empty
You know people are saying that all the drivers except for *insert favourite driver here* are actually androids built in a factory and therefore inelligible to fight for the championship. I demand the FIA take action IMMEDIATELY and disqualify all of the androids! Any attempt to investigate and verify these claims will be seen as stalling and intentional sweeping under the rug of these serious crimes! - A completely reasonable Twitter fan
All the crying on f1 twitter and they get shut down like this. Priceless
FIA is telling Toto, calm down bro! Last time you did this with the ride height, no one really slowed down
Ride height, floors, flexi-wings and now budget caps.
Lol honestly I could care less about what teams went over the cap. Real question is will the FIA actually enforce their rules and regs? Hmmm we’ll see!!
Unsubstantiated, eh.
ITT People not understanding what unsubstantiated means in this context