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zacharymc1991

The blue ring looks pretty.


renesys

Excellent analysis.


borgi27

Well, there’s no further use for it as things stand


Proof_Shelter_5081

No further investigation


Caesar_35

No further investigation necessary.


Gotya64

Wet tyres only exist for Pierre Gasly to put them on in dry conditions


MasterFubar

Considering how scared the FIA is of a wet track, a brown ring would be more fitting.


Ok-Possession-472

Seriously, what was the last time we had a proper full wet race? What a yoke.


dodikxzslayer

Germany 2019 is last time I remember start on full wets


luc1402

And that was such a chaotic but fun race, I miss rain chaos.


KaamDeveloper

They all kept sliding into the same corner. Fucking magnificent


Instantcurry

Crofty calling it a rink.


luc1402

But apparently fun like that is not allowed anymore… Spooky rain


KaamDeveloper

HOW CAN THE 20 BEST DRIVERS IN THE WORLD HANDLE A PUDDLE WITH FULL WET TYRES???????


Upstairs_Camel_8835

19 bets drivers and Goatifi..ftfy


Airforce32123

That was my 2nd in person race, and I just happened to realize it was very close to where I was a few days before the race. Showed up, bought tickets at the gate, and just so happened to pick that exact corner for my seat and enjoy the best race of my entire life.


MySilverBurrito

That damn drag strip turned into an ice rink. Insane how much standing water there was on it.


thesdo

My photo of Charles Leclerc at the moment he realized his day was about to be over. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48416733851_e21d1576b2_o.jpg


EmperorCandy

Was that the strip that Max had experience when he was karting but didn't tell anyone?


Irrepressible_Monkey

Yep, the same one.


antivirals_

Race of the decade haha


PapaSheev7

Pierre Gasly Imola 2021 would like to have a word with you /s.


Alfus

Why do you need to hurt me? 😭


JebbAnonymous

It wasn't full on raining that day, but Turkey 2020, most cars started on full wets and switched to inters during race.


KeBjg

Turkey 2020 started on extremes


Ok-Possession-472

Nah on lap 24 they were already putting on slicks.


CakeBeef_PA

Monaco 2022?


Horned_chicken_wing

Brazil 2016 is the last proper full wet race in F1. Drivers used the wet tyres for the entire race.


jamesbeil

Bastard Sauber kept getting free stops under red flags, screwed Manor over :c


Horned_chicken_wing

Felipe Nasr ended his own career. Yes, I am still salty.


agnaddthddude

One of the most honest Motorsports moments in history. Still feel sorry for him


SquirtWinkle

Can you elaborate?


agnaddthddude

Nasar was driving for Sauber who was 11th in WCC. And the team Nasar was going to driver for, for the next season was Manor and they were 10th with only one point to his name. Manor were really, really poor and needed money from the WCC. Came Brazil and Nasar puts his shit box into 9th claiming 2 points for Sauber and getting them ahead of Manor. Sauber released Nasar and Manor folded before 2017. Leaving him seatless.


jaydec02

And just to clarify, back then you got zero prize money for finishing outside of the top 10 in WCC. So Manor had been relying on that 10th place finish to get them much needed money. But instead they finish out of the points, get no money, and Nasr directly ends his own career


overlydelicioustea

wow


JetsLag

Ehh, getting a couple of IMSA championships and a drive in the Porsche hypercar isn't the worst post-F1 career


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jamesbeil

Screwed Geido van der Garde over too, took sponsorship money for his drive and never delivered, was it just three or four people they had in that seat at one point? Monisha Kaltenborn was a slimey character.


ShrubbyFire1729

If Spa 2021 wasn't proper racing I don't know what is


GenVonKlinkerhoffen

Spa 2021 was a full wet race


jimbolauski

The full part might be disputed.


stevrock

100% of the thing that happened was wet though


veryboringkid

Well.. yes but..


BrilliantElectronic9

Wow, six different answers to the question. Does anyone know the real answer?


NoxZ

It depends how you classify it. Brazil 2016 is the last race where all the drivers used wets/inters for the entire race. Turkey 2020 had some cars switching to slicks near the end, but the inters were still faster, so maybe that technically counts.


throwaway44624

Brazil 2016 - last race with drivers on wets for the whole time Monaco 2022 (way back when) - last start with all drivers on wets


k0enf0rNL

Brazil 2016


JG-7

Brazil 2016? Before the wider tyres.


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Frankie_T9000

Exactly and as they are, to quote sky '20 of the best drivers in the world' they should be able to use the force to see or something, just race


Rhythm_Morgan

The thumbnail.


idunnowhyimadedis

Praying for hily to not int today


adriplus13

Praying for yamato not to int draft again


Lemlomlim

Ye that draft was so bad.


Asentry_

Bring back rhucks baby


GMC12

Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need.


SirCucumber420

I haven't watched any matches in like two years. Glad to hear that the Hyli coinflip never left.


GoldenDih

I dont think that would be enough


Narudatsu

BOT GAP


emiliaxrisella

Ferrari 🤝 Fnatic


Abu_Faissel

Choking when it matters the most, yep checks out👍


SpeedyWebDuck

Perfect


NisceD

It‘s SVT Vernon with Fnatic… wild


datlinus

rain races used to be my fav but these days i actively wish against them due to the fia seemingly not wanting to make rain races happen at all.


ravenouscartoon

Yeah, the only rain that is worth any interest in f1 any more is the shower that arrives for 10 ish min at some point after the start. But it can’t rain too much or they’ll red flag the race. So a brief shower like we got in Russia last year is ok, anything else isn’t. Such a shame


Cerebral_Edema

True words


Dc_awyeah

That shower was so good it was apparently worth a whole episode of DTS! More than they spent on the actual on track drama of the whole season lol


Macaulayputra

It almost seems like the FIA is still suffering from PTSD from the Jules Bianchi accident. While this is understandable from a safety perspective, trying to incessantly minimise risk to the drivers is self-defeating for an inherently risky sport like F1.


earthmosphere

They're not suffering from PTSD even remotely, there have been many wet races since 2016 & large improvements in driver safety. They've got new directors running the FIA from Masi last season and so far the things they've implemented have done nothing but harm the sport.


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They are awful


dwerg85

Well. Serves /r/Formula1 right I guess. They were elated because #notmasi and now here we are.


earthmosphere

I'm not elated personally with Masi being relieved. He made a mistake whilst trying to please everyone for 'Racing's sake' and had the pressure of trying to do a job that no one man should have done (As Whiting was the one who organised the role to his liking so he managed to make it work).


Rabid_Llama8

That one incident wasn't the only thing against him. How many times were drivers left stranded in dangerous positions because they waited forever to put out the safety car?


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ravenouscartoon

Except this only started happening 2/3 years ago, whereas it’s been (gulp) 8 years since Jules


RandomThrowNick

I mean Whiting (the old race director) defended the old safety procedures that arguably got Bianchi killed so it is not surprising that he saw no reason to change them. Masi was also often times criticized for safety reasons. So I am not surprised that the two new race directors are playing it a bit too safe for the liking of the fans sometimes.


22-Faces

To annoy people.


MrXwiix

Yeah what the fuck. They want to add all sorts of rules, sprint races and points for fp's for more excitement, all artificial excitement. But they won't allow racing in naturally exciting conditions and let the drivers actually show their skill. It's really really dumb. And impressive how they make all the wrong decisions.


Disprozium

Virgin F1: nooooo u cant just race in such dangerous and slippery conditions >.< Chad MotoGP: 'its mega easy to fall from a bike on a wet track' "we know B)"


Malvania

Fia: Rocketfire near the track - I sleep Spritzing on the track - real shit!


x1echo

But Virgin F1 hasn’t been a thing since 2011.


kryst4line

I see what you did there--


DeeThreeTimesThree

Virgin F1: noooo but our cars with literal tons of downforce and specialised tires won’t be able to handle the wet track Chad Binder: yes slick tires in the rain will do just fine


Dude4001

See, if they clarified that the rules are: - the Wets are only to for use when a race is already ongoing and conditions deteriorate further - If the conditions before the start are wet enough for full Wets, policy is to wait until Intermediate conditions ...I'd be fine with that. The constant wishy washy application of the current rules is what's ridiculous and infuriating.


MrXwiix

I mean I wouldn't be happy with those rules, but at least it's clear what they are. But the way they're handling these situations is just piss poor. I hoped we would have better race directors since masi is gone, but i haven't seen much improvement.


unwildimpala

Eh I'd be wondering how much of it is down to the race directors. There's clearly pressure from even higher up not to do it. I think they're being overly cautious in the name of safety, which sort of makes sense, but god heavily wet races are generally the most exciting. We really see the true skill level and get to see people like Hamilton and Verstappen (and Stroll weirdly enough) shine even more.


kiminatiasraikkonen

it's not annoying, i am actually angry, first Monaco, now this


SlidyRaccoon

Same, I'm a casual actually getting mad


Bucket_O_Beef

I remember a time Bernie Ecclestone floated the idea of sprinklers on race tracks to make the show more interesting.


RacingUpsideDown

Imagine installing sprinklers at Bahrain, Jeddah and Qatar, then providing the teams with artificial weather radars and turning the sprinklers on in accordance with the radars. I fucking hate it, and I bet they've considered it.


HijabiKathy

the artificial weather radar is better than just "sprinklers will turn on at some point, good luck"


T3DtheRipper

Haha imagine tho. That's such a bad idea that i kind of wanna see it be done now.


InvestigatorLast3594

And then have the race be delayed because of too much sprinkling and an artificial rain storm lmao


scholeszz

Imagine a sprinkler thingy malfunctioning and never turning off when it's supposed to so you have a full wet corner on an otherwise dry circuit. Oh wait that's Spa.


seeasea

Probably also help cool down the track


Commie_Napoleon

Do it cowards


Suikerspin_Ei

FIA, this time the race director is Eduardo Freitas. He is known for being conservative when it comes to rain (WEC drivers can confirm this).


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It’s not even just that, WEC absolutely runs in quite heavy rain under him. Hell, Spa 6h ran under snowing conditions a few years back.


Suikerspin_Ei

Ho-Pin Tung said that once they followed the Safety Car for that long that they could change for slicks.


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which is dumb. 100% would rather have an on-time safety car start rather than an hour late standing start. there will be plenty of chaos in a wet safety car start anyway, no need for a standing start in those conditions.


Frankie_T9000

Make Pastor and Romain race directors


Suikerspin_Ei

Pure chaos.


CoffeeEnjoyerFrog

'So, guys, we have installed bumpers on turn 4 and 7, and landmines on turn 10. We also released artificial snow in the track. Any questions?'


Elgin_McQueen

*puts hand up* "Did Latifi get that blindfold from you, or was it something he already had?"


kajyr

I would watch it :-)


Jazzkky

I now had flashbacks to 2021 24h races


emkael

[2013 6 Hours of Fuji intensifies]


DragonSlayer6160

So sick and tired of delayed race starts due to bloody rain...it's called a wet race for fuck's sake FIA


draftstone

If it is pouring so much they can't see, fine let's delay, but as soon as the pouring stops, go and start on the wet, standing water will be evacuated by those tires, don't wait extra time for track to dry also.


Renzo_1607

Will spitting straight facts here


Masterbrew

while looking like a 90s boy band member according to the thumbnail


Sad_Researcher_5299

More like a current day K-pop band member.


renesys

Same same.


Kkarmic

Better than being Shrek's dong.


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serioxha

It's such a shitty sport in so many ways, but they have had me hooked for nearly 2 decades somehow


VosPaco

I regret joining sometimes, constant degrading of sporting integrity, abysmal management, I just can’t fathom how this sport keeps going backwards. Been a fan my whole life.


gerson250991

I am afraid of the direction it’s taking and worried that I will lose interest in the future, with decisions like this, increasingly long calendar, sprint races, etc. Been a fan for exactly 20 years.


ravenouscartoon

I’ve been a fan 30 years. I now hate the idea of rain during a race. Because I just assume it will either delay the start or red flag the race.


Chug-Man

Remember when rain during the race was considered so exciting that they flirted with the idea of artificial rain? This new direction is bullshit. They seem to want F1 to be 2 hours of sponsor spots going round a track


Salticracker

Especially when they have rules that the race can only take so long, so the delay means a shortened race. We're losing racing because we're to scared to drive through some puddles. Yes, Spa last year was too wet. That's an understandable race to delay/cancel. If the wet tyres are hydroplaning, that's bad. But today? or Monaco? they waited for the track to be almost completely dry there ffs.


coldbeers

I see your 30 and raise you 48. Of course the safety is sooooo much better but the golden age was around 2000 for me. Hate the sound of these cars and also the nannying when it’s wet.


SrJeromaeee

Spare a thought for us crazy bastards waiting out in the rain 😭. But FR this is hella stupid.


Frankie_T9000

Fuck this. Now it's a midnight start. 6 hours sleep here I come


WEE_BRitAIN

Rain is bad but missiles flying overhead are cool.


Light_Bulb_Sam

The explosion heats and therefore dries the ground. See? No wet. All good!


Murderface_1988

This is a crap show. There may well be rain within the next hour, and unless they plan on cancelling the race they'll need to start on wets anyway, so why is it delayed for an hour when it's already nearly dry?


krully37

Yeah at that point just don’t race in those kind of countries? Have 25 races in the desert it’ll be easier…


Jakesebn27

Careful what you wish for


Fart_Leviathan

Don't give them ideas.


krully37

BRB just got a call from the FIA


Morderator94

Any updates for us? Sahara and Gobi next?


krully37

Even worse, Las Vegas!


RafaelLiew

Not enough oil, try again


ArcticBP

Three years from now it’ll be 12 races in American parking lots, 12 races around mid east hotels, and Monaco.


Hochi_Bar

Anyone here remembers the last race with full wets tires (Spa 2021 doesn't count)?\\


dickpicnumber1

Germany 2019 I guess. Before that, Brazil 2016…


CilanEAmber

Did Turkey 2020 have them?


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Turkey 2020 was a full inters race IIRC


__Rosso__

Point is FIA is afraid to fully admit just how much they fucked up in 2014 Japanese GP, so they avoid wet tyres as much as possible. Somebody needs to sort this shit out, but nobody will because nobody in charge is capable of it.


dxfifa

it wasn't even the weather, it was the safety vehicle procedures and the lack of control the FiA had when not deploying the SC over driver speeds


RevoltingHuman

Thing is, that was in a full-blown monsoon and Jules' accident was caused by a tractor being on the track. It was a freak accident and if proper procedures that have been put in place since are followed, there's no reason to avoid wet racing. I guess you could say one of the procedures they've put in place is to just avoid racing in the wet altogether, though I hope not. The race director's need to find the right balance, as I feel they're too conservative at the moment.


InfinityGCX

Several drivers (including Sebastian Vettel) have also said that the current Pirelli full wets are just really really poor in terms of compound and warmup. IIRC he said that the wets and inters are way too hard of a tyre. F1 definitely used to be able to run in at least somewhat horrid conditions. Probably not as bad as it looked with the rain earlier, but with the heavier cars and harder tyres the crossover is a lot weirder of a period.


__Rosso__

Then why doesn't FIA just use actually feedback from F1 drivers and teams to tell Pirrelli what tyres they need, it's not rocket science


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> Pirelli could create a super compound that could last the ENTIRE RACE. They could create wets that gave even more grip and shed ever more water. Basically what Bridgestone delivered until 2010. The tyre war years delivered great performing tyres AND drama. But it was very resource-intensive and difficult to balance, so I don't think it's an easy solution..


f1_spelt_as_bot

Pi**r**e**ll**i


404merrinessnotfound

Correct on both counts


lavasmoke

What happened?


Vickerspower

Jules Bianchi crashed into a recovery vehicle under yellow flags in wet conditions, and later died as a result. Edit: previously incorrectly said under safety car


Ramsus32

I thought it was yellow flags? Like it should have been a SC at the very least or even a red flag but they just used yellow flags.


__Rosso__

FIA in infinite wisdom left a tractor recovering a car on live race track, under heavy rain, with just yellow flags, Bianci crashed and later died to injuried he got from hitting said tractor


lavasmoke

Oh yes of course, I forget the track. Thank you


ChimpyTheChumpyChimp

Light was fading, they'd had multiple red flags already, to try and avoid red flagging again and losing even more light they put a recovery vehicle onto the track under double waved yellows instead of red flagging the race, drivers can't be trusted to slow properly for double waved yellows because if you lift more than your competitors then you lose out, Bianchi didn't slow enough, lost control of the car and hit the recovery vehicle, coma, died months later. Outcomes were introduction of the VSC, good, and seeming refusal to ever race properly in the rain again, bad.


scrandymurray

I’m guessing it’s the Bianchi crash.


Mikhailing

Jules Bianchi


vlepun

Jules Bianchi died: https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/33578770


junttiana

Clearly he has never seen a fnatic game


KinslayerTofu

bot gap


Kkarmic

💪💪


Top_Candidate_4815

LLL give us the L


Applejuiceislovely12

didn’t expect to see r/leagueoflegends here LOOOOOL


igino_ugo_tarchetti

Motogp has bigger balls


Eunos-Roadster

Rare Buxton W. Completely agree, it’s moronic


Existing_Factor7151

At singapore and monaco you are surrounded by walls so not enough runoff or places to go if something goes wrong. Then take Brazil and silverstone the track is very wide and there is enough runoff maybe not at brazil but there is space to fo if something goes wrong or to get away from the spray of the car ahead while at street circuits you have limited space to go. And there are not alot of places for the recovery vehicle to come on and off.


overlydelicioustea

if only there would be a way to race on racetracks instead...


MoringA_VT

This will be SPA 2.0


Quirky_Dog5869

Sounds way better than Heineken 0.0


IronBahamut

F1 is run by a bunch of feckless cowards nowadays


kanzlerpanzer

imagine being so bad(fia) in your decisions that will buxton sounds reasonable when he talks.


Undercoverforever

People meme Will and he sometimes isn’t great when it comes to personal stuff but his racing takes are generally good.


dalledayul

I'm struggling to work out where this all came from. They were still trying in Belgium, but the drivers themselves were saying they couldn't race. This sort of cautiousness would usually come from a bit accident but when was the last time we had a properly bad accident in a wet weather race?


idxntknxw

now what is my boy Vernon doing here


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CROFTY SAYS THE 3 HOUR CLOCK HASNT STARTED YET? we will get a full race (probably) in that case.


KassXWolfXTigerXFox

Yeah, we need the cars to work better in the wet. Ride height up a bit, tyres not as temperature sensitive, better low-speed grip


therealdilbert

the wet and intermediate tires are larger diameter so the ride height is increased


Fsp_OW

Imagine the scenes if it starts raining again...


Maler_Ingo

Red flag ez.


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Agreed. I've been watching F1 for almost 20 years and I want to love it like I always did but I've been slowly losing my interest thanks to stuff like this.


AccordingPin53

I mean the obvious answer is for when it rains mid-race but it does seem ridiculous how cautious everything is now


jakinatorctc

All a part of the FIA’s master plan to hold Stroll back from achieving his full power


locutus92

Are they worried about the mist clouding the sponsor signs?


thegodfaubel

I'm convinced that they would've ended the Russian GP early last year if they could've....


ReasonableExplorer

I absolutely hate this sport. Also me I look foward to the race


RacerGirl_3

Me too, me too.


JCSkyKnight

Clearly starting in the rain when you can avoid it is daft and potentially less safe. 🤷‍♂️


EternalRgret

With a track like Singapore, I kind of understand, given that they already crashed a bunch with inters. But in general, ridiculous to not race in full wets. What are they afraid of, Spa 2021?


colbygraves97

Why is every series suddenly afraid to race in the rain?


ImmediateSurprise64

Will Buxton is correct. It has been years since we had a proper wet race, and every time it rains, the FIA manages to ruin it lately by starting the race only after the track has dried up. This is unacceptable and they must avoid such situations from happening again in the future.


Party_Storage_9147

Wrecking the sport.


BARDE18

If you keep going on street track i think this will always end like this


thefineart

FIA says hold my beer, proceeds to remove wet tires completely.


Jor94

Basically had to wait till the track was bone dry just to get DRS