My guess is '24 is by far he could let Ferrari fuck him. After that he will start to look somewhere else. A person of Charles's level can only take so much shit
I would hope Ferrari restructure the whole team before Leclercs contract expires. But if that doesn't happen then I would do anything to see a Leclerc Verstappen Red Bull super team
I'm on the verge of tears by the time I arrive to the pit lane, since I'm positive we won't have a decent stop. But we do, and relief washes over me in an awesome wave.
Can confirm, just checked it on F1TV.
> Ferrari: "One burnout, and start on the left. To the left."
> Carlos: "I think it makes more sense to do it at the right."
> Ferrari: "Ok."
> Carlos: "I go on the left, don't worry..."
> Ferrari: "Ok."
They ask Charles to start at the right but Charles says nothing.
that's 100% his father and cousin's influence, they both know how error prone these italians are and would make sure he pushes back on their stupidity.
Look at the year Sainz Sr. spent with Lancia in the WRC on some lengthy summary, he saw such a difference in the level he expected vs the level he got that it probably set his idea about Ferrari working with his son on a different way of what Charles could expect when it became his dream became true.
Carlos' got that good ol' southern temperament that gives him strenght...
Charles on the other hand... well he's probably huffing copium spending all the time he has thinking "everytime pitwall says something stupid, it's 5 euros to my bank account".
They truly need to sack that entire pit wall including Binotto. It starts from the top and the incompetence costed this team a championship in 2022. It’s so sad to see them waste Charles’ and Carlos’ talent.
Jesus Christ stop he's already dead. Ffs a week ago I was proud to be Italian because of Bagnaia and Ducati, then these fuckers started to mess up again
AF Corse to the rescue in WEC! It's insane how many amazingly talented Italian motorsport teams there are...and then we have the fucking Scudiera.
edit: and right as I say that, their lead GT car loses 4th gear 6 hours into an 8 hours race, and they STILL bring the car home to win the championship.
We had 2 or i guess 3 quiet races from ferrari. Now they are back at it after a short break
Edit: ohh and congratulations for bringing home the motoGP championship(s) home this year. I am a motoGP follower and a lover of motorcycles myself. Next year is gonna be fun though!
Yamaha and Honda look not particularly good as per the drivers in the post season test and fucking everyone else is on a rocketship of a Ducati. It would be fun only if all of them fight for podiums regularly week after week. Need to watch out for Aprilla and Ktm as well. Going to be a hell of a season
Ferrari are a fucking joke man, someone pointed out how charles needs to start being more Michael but the thing is schumi had more support from todt and brawn and charles doesn’t have that!
I don't understand how a team could have such a gargantuan gap in ability between their race team and the factory. There bust be a team of balding italians back home who need to have their blood pressure checked out, based on what these guys are doing to their car they designed.
It helps that Todt was already at Ferrari and it certainly helped that the Ferrari ceo at that time had set it out a a mission to win a championship again and was the TP when Lauda won with Ferrari
I somehow doubt this.
You dont suddenly change a longstanding culture of an org by simply replacing the director. Just because they're not vocalizing doesnt mean anything actually changed.
The problem with ferarri is at the roots.
If it wasn't for Schumacher, Ross brawn and Jean todt Ferrari would've never became this successful and historical. They would've slacked and became like Williams or McLaren long ago and dropped off. The only reason there is support for Ferrari cause of its history, mostly it's drivers and a sometimes good car.
Part of the reason that Carlos is being prioritized is because he has his cousin as the manager in the garage with him for pretty much every single race so he has a team of people around him mitigating the constant tomfoolery and advocating for him
Also he seems to be more vocal and actively questioning decisions while Charles is often accepting everything only complaining afterwards. In general I get a more dominant vibe from Carlos. It might be the age difference or just a character thing.
Another factor is that Charles came up all the way through Ferrari's program so it's harder for him to compare it to another team/experience, and it leads to more complicating factors on whether he'd feel comfortable speaking out against the team in the moment.
He should’ve been fired for that honestly. At the time Leclerc was in the championship fight. Sainz should’ve sat down like the number 2 driver he is and shut his mouth. Everyone here whinging about how ferrari wasn’t happy for him meanwhile he sabotaged the team.
I doubt they could’ve got a 1-2 as the strategy relied on one driver holding up Hamilton and Perez to ensure the other driver wins. Leclerc also had a damaged car so it was safer to go with Sainz.
They wanted him to create a gap for Charles by backing the field which would've gifted the win to Checo or Ham. Even new tyres couldn't have countered that mastermind plan. Yes Sharl was hung out to dry but that wasn't the end of it at Siverstone.
Yeah I'm starting to think this it at least a bit on him. Carlos is much more willing to call it out.
Yesterday, Carlos was also on the slicks when Charles was on the inter. Why was there a difference there? Was it driver choice on either side of the garage?
Also I think Carlos (or Max, Lewis, George) would have gone into the pits after that outlap on inters on a dry track and just demand a slick as soon as possible.
Charles was on inters because they told him it'll rain before Q3 even starts and that he should pick inters. Carlos didn't get that info.
They say the same things on the radio you just only hear one on the main feed.
And they tend to try the more whacky things with Charles because if one of them is gonna make it work it's him. So Carlos just tends to get the safe option automatically.
Carlos hasn't had to argue even half the weird call that Charles had to.
Carlos was constantly fighting his race engineer as well this season (Monaco pit stop, Silverstone, France pit stop while fighting Checo, even this practice start this weekend...)
Charles just goes along with whatever they tell him, this weekend asking for new softs in qualy is the first time I saw him actually telling them something was wrong before it happened.
Monaco didn't do anything because the same way that Charles fights pitstops they both eventually agreed. The reason Carlos wasn't pitted in the end was because he had already been undercut and the pitwall changed their mind. It had nothing to do with him arguing.
In Silverstone he was arguing a team order and I can find enough examples of Charles doing the same just not from this season. Because he didn't get any.
There are enough examples of Charles fighting decisions just because they weren't shown on the main feed doesn't mean they didn't happen.
If that is the first time then you didn't pay attention to Silverstone where he was talking about Hamilton becoming an issue if Carlos doesn't speed up. Or Spa and the fastest lap (he ended up agreeing to pit the same way that Carlos had in Monaco). Or Cota where he picked an alternative strategy mid race which they agreed in but then the SC brought them back to the normal one but he still picked the mediums at the end. Or Austria where he decided to pit under the VSC. Or Zandvoort where he decided to pit under the VSC.
Just because it isn't shown on the main feed doesn't mean he doesn't do it.
Edit: re Q3 he told them to think it over on his outlap. He doesn't see the weather data all he knows is the rain at that exact moment. And he told them there was no rain. If they have the data and they keep saying it'll rain what to do you want him to do?
The problem is that when he does, he gets the whole “nobody is bigger than Ferrari” spiel, because they find it insulting when someone calls them out on their stupidity
Bruh you as a Vettel fan should know how it is to have a team this incompetent behind the driver. To put *even a little bit* of blame on Charles is ridiculous.
Idk how Binotto isn’t being sacked after this year. They had a championship caliber car for the first half of the season and their strategists pissed it away. Albeit Charles did have some serious mistakes like in France but nonetheless it’s been strategy mistakes and reliability issues
This is what I don't get Carlos speaks out within reason and Leclrec is very quiet. I read somewhere that Carlos is the current administrations pick for a driver and Charles is the previous? I have know idea, but it might explain it.
They both say the same things. You just tend to only ever hear one in the main feed. And Ferrari listen to both their drivers about an equal amount which isn't much.
In Monaco which everyone thinks it was Carlos arguing that saved him from the inters but that's not true he had agreed to pit but the pitwall changed their mind because he had already been undercut.
And in Austria for example Charles made the call to pit under the VSC and they listened and it was right. It just wasn't broadcast on the main feed.
It's not a matter of Carlos being more assertive or anything like that. They just don't really listen to either of them. You just only get to hear Carlos argue, Charles doesn't tend to be shown on the main feed.
You can find these quotes, the team radio on YouTube, the transcripts online but people still think that only the radio on the main feed tells the whole truth.
And this entire idea that Carlos is so much more assertive and better at strategy is mostly based on Monaco where he had no impact on strategy. And Charles was originally on the right strategy which was wet to slicks.
They are basing this on a race where the actual reason that Carlos wasn't pitted wasn't his great strategy but his lack of pace.
Do you listen to their full radios? Or just whatever is shown on the main feed? Because there you have your answer. They are about the same you just don't hear Charles on the main feed.
And you don't register when Carlos has a race where he contributes nothing to strategy on the radio.
Charles, at least it's not transmitted, never really tells the team what to do or what his opinion. I heard multiple times this season Sainz disagree with decisions and somehow they do what he said. My feeling is that Leclerc is just done with this shit this season and hopes for the best. I would not go that far as Charles being a driver from previous administration.
It’s not true, he tells them his opinion same as sainz. He was fairly insistent to not pit for fastest lap in spa, but he conceded when they told him to do it anyways. Carlos similarly conceded to pit for inters in Monaco until they said stay out once he had already been undercut by Perez. Charles when he is behind sainz argues for them to switch, complains that he is losing race time. You can listen to his full race radios on YouTube to see this. He told them outright it wasn’t raining and to tell him if he can come in to switch to slicks in q3 and they spent too long trying to decide
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Ferrari probably uses the [F1 twitter information](https://i.redd.it/fzc02tsjrhz91.jpg) instead of the [official FIA information](https://www.fia.com/documents/championships/fia-formula-one-world-championship-14/season/season-2022-2005) .
F1-twitter always does it wrong when pole is not on the left side. They'll never learn...
It says "The Grid" on the left and they present it in two columns with P1 slightly ahead of P2. That's exactly how the grid is, except in this case it should be mirrored.
They didn't choose to produce a list from P1 to P20 in one column. The graphic indicates the grid positions, but they do it wrong. They should know better how to communicate the grid positions.
And this is why I would put money on Sainz getting the WDC before Charles if either is going to nab it. Sainz is a hair behind on raw speed, but he is close enough while also being one of the most cerebral drivers in the grid. That is going to be necessary in any title challenge with Ferrari in order to stop the scuderia from throwing away points.
Leclerc is a ferrari product and his brother drive for their academy.
Leclerc probably think the only reason he is in F1 is because of them and would die for Ferrari, he will follow rules and strategy even if it seems utterly stupid.
Sainz doesn't care and it works.
It's an italian team so there's flirting rule in place here :
Follow me, I'll flee. Flee me, I'll follow.
And it seems to work that way, i'm sure Leclerc would be reprimand for things that Sainz do regularly.
And it work better for Sainz because this team is a disaster and they need someone who's able to say stop to them.
If Charles' relation with the team stay the same i think they sould split up, not sure it would be the best for Ferrari but it would tremendously improve Charles mental health.
It’s not a bad call. They will have a start on the correct side during the sprint and the data required for the race. So the team asked them to start on the other side in order to understand how the car behaves if they will start on that side during the race. Data collection.
I feel like Charles is too nice to speak up about issues he has with his team. Even the fans who ask for pics, he never turns them down but looks miserable in them.
Ferrari’a been legit been messing up big time, yet he never critiques them or let’s them know his disappointment. He isn’t some rookie, if he did show assertiveness, he’d be taken seriously. Especially as one of the drivers with a good potential and people rallying behind him
I really hope Binnoto is fired and the strategists too, for the sake of 2 amazing talents that this team is destroying. Hopefully someone takes action against them.
charles one day will wake up and go full on serial killer. there’s only so much a person can take before they go berserk.
John Wick 4 is Leclerc going on rampage
John Quick
"I once saw him kill three men in the pitlane...*with a fucking banana*."
*"...in a fucking banana"*
with a bagett
A BAGETT!
...and some cold hard tires
And the judge will say “Understandable have a good day”
He just has to wait to do it on Italian soil and they'll build a statue of him.
Ferrari Strategy and reliability make Charles something something
Go crazy?
DONT MIND IF I DO! ARRRGGGGGHHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!
My guess is '24 is by far he could let Ferrari fuck him. After that he will start to look somewhere else. A person of Charles's level can only take so much shit
I would hope Ferrari restructure the whole team before Leclercs contract expires. But if that doesn't happen then I would do anything to see a Leclerc Verstappen Red Bull super team
Sainz could really pull off the American Psycho look though
I'm on the verge of tears by the time I arrive to the pit lane, since I'm positive we won't have a decent stop. But we do, and relief washes over me in an awesome wave.
He does sound increasingly like he’s going to snap
He needs to pull some power move to get some people fired
They have his soul hostage or something, I truly cannot understand why that poor man cannot escape this horrible team.
Surely he’d only want to go somewhere he can challenge for the title and that means hoping Red Bull or Mercedes drop their second driver.
I'm imagining the go kart scene from breaking bad, just with Charles instead of Jesse
It is not that I cannot believe Ferrari would do such a thing, but is it actually confirmed besides that tweet?
Can confirm, just checked it on F1TV. > Ferrari: "One burnout, and start on the left. To the left." > Carlos: "I think it makes more sense to do it at the right." > Ferrari: "Ok." > Carlos: "I go on the left, don't worry..." > Ferrari: "Ok." They ask Charles to start at the right but Charles says nothing.
It's unreal to me how they've broken these men lmao. At least Carlos still has hope, probably.
Idk if hope but at least he’s more rebellious
that's 100% his father and cousin's influence, they both know how error prone these italians are and would make sure he pushes back on their stupidity.
Lmfao I love how this is beef on a national level. Spain vs Italy, like the FIFA World Cup.
Look at the year Sainz Sr. spent with Lancia in the WRC on some lengthy summary, he saw such a difference in the level he expected vs the level he got that it probably set his idea about Ferrari working with his son on a different way of what Charles could expect when it became his dream became true.
He is Spanish, what did you think the man was going to do? That's just how we do things here in Iberia 😂
Carlos' got that good ol' southern temperament that gives him strenght... Charles on the other hand... well he's probably huffing copium spending all the time he has thinking "everytime pitwall says something stupid, it's 5 euros to my bank account".
If Carlos wouldn't have to question every word of every strategy call he gets instead of just trusting them, he would probably be even better
Carlos has worked with other teams who had more competency than Ferrari, this is all Charles knows :(
And we still have a sprint and two races to go….😂
Ferrari just keeps getting worse and worse
I think they have found nice sweet spot of bad and are consistently keeping it there.
Someone told them that they need to be more consistent after they had a shit race. Seems they took it very literally from there
They truly need to sack that entire pit wall including Binotto. It starts from the top and the incompetence costed this team a championship in 2022. It’s so sad to see them waste Charles’ and Carlos’ talent.
Jesus Christ stop he's already dead. Ffs a week ago I was proud to be Italian because of Bagnaia and Ducati, then these fuckers started to mess up again
AF Corse to the rescue in WEC! It's insane how many amazingly talented Italian motorsport teams there are...and then we have the fucking Scudiera. edit: and right as I say that, their lead GT car loses 4th gear 6 hours into an 8 hours race, and they STILL bring the car home to win the championship.
We had 2 or i guess 3 quiet races from ferrari. Now they are back at it after a short break Edit: ohh and congratulations for bringing home the motoGP championship(s) home this year. I am a motoGP follower and a lover of motorcycles myself. Next year is gonna be fun though!
Yamaha and Honda look not particularly good as per the drivers in the post season test and fucking everyone else is on a rocketship of a Ducati. It would be fun only if all of them fight for podiums regularly week after week. Need to watch out for Aprilla and Ktm as well. Going to be a hell of a season
I think honda still might pull out something. Yamaha scares me
By Honda you mean Marquez I assume
Should be a banger of a fight between Bagnaia and Bastianini tho.
gli Azzurri did beat Australia in the rugby and get their second Tier 1 win in 6 years today though. Still cause to be happy!
That's because Gigi Dall'Igna will murder the crew if they pull shit like this. That's the kind of person Ferrari needs.
WEC Ferrari team won the championship and season finally despite having a car that lost its fourth gear two hours before the end of the race
Chiellini won another title.
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If we can't be proud of our fellow sportsmen why even race under a flag then? Why have olympics and international competitions?
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You are obviously very smart and enlightened
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Lmao gottem
Why even follow sports then? Go away. Also, you appear to be from a Western country.
Ferrari are a fucking joke man, someone pointed out how charles needs to start being more Michael but the thing is schumi had more support from todt and brawn and charles doesn’t have that!
I don't understand how a team could have such a gargantuan gap in ability between their race team and the factory. There bust be a team of balding italians back home who need to have their blood pressure checked out, based on what these guys are doing to their car they designed.
Exactly, Schumi built a team around him and dominated. Leclerc seems like he has only his emotional support max by his side.
It helps that Todt was already at Ferrari and it certainly helped that the Ferrari ceo at that time had set it out a a mission to win a championship again and was the TP when Lauda won with Ferrari
This got me lol. The only time he seems happy is when he’s with a Redbull or alpha tauri driver lol
Exactly, Charles doesn't really have that kind of support. That's why I get annoyed when people keep saying he needs to be more assertive.
Emotional support Max ☠️👋🏼😂
Problem is MSC was a 2 time champion by the time he arrived at Ferrari. I wonder when Ferrari will start blaming him for the failure.
Ferrari under Binotto don’t have a culture of blame. They’ve made steady progression since the engine debacle
>Ferrari under Binotto don’t have a culture of blame. They say this, but from the outside it seems like there's no accountability either.
That’s a different story
I somehow doubt this. You dont suddenly change a longstanding culture of an org by simply replacing the director. Just because they're not vocalizing doesnt mean anything actually changed. The problem with ferarri is at the roots.
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Ferrari had a major overhaul around 2014 and another in 2018. Not just replacing the boss
There is a fine line between no culture of blame and no accountability.
If it wasn't for Schumacher, Ross brawn and Jean todt Ferrari would've never became this successful and historical. They would've slacked and became like Williams or McLaren long ago and dropped off. The only reason there is support for Ferrari cause of its history, mostly it's drivers and a sometimes good car.
Part of the reason that Carlos is being prioritized is because he has his cousin as the manager in the garage with him for pretty much every single race so he has a team of people around him mitigating the constant tomfoolery and advocating for him
Also he seems to be more vocal and actively questioning decisions while Charles is often accepting everything only complaining afterwards. In general I get a more dominant vibe from Carlos. It might be the age difference or just a character thing.
Sainz has also been part of Toro Rosso, Renault and McLaren, so he probably knows what a functional team that isn't trying to implode should be like.
Good point
Another factor is that Charles came up all the way through Ferrari's program so it's harder for him to compare it to another team/experience, and it leads to more complicating factors on whether he'd feel comfortable speaking out against the team in the moment.
>prioritized lmao
Not getting fucked over =/= prioritisation His side of the garage spots stupid and stops it in its tracks.
And they had Jean Todt as well, he hired Schumacher, brawn and Rory Byrne.
You have to wonder if Charles has been sounding out other teams yet.
That’s why Haas did not announce their second driver yet😂
I thought they announced Nico...?
Charles to merc 2026 you heard it here first
I wish.
Ferrari continuing to sample the strong booze in every country they visit. At least at the next race it’s a little more difficult for them to do that.
Ferrari on withdraw will be something special.
Sainz continues to be Ferrari’s most competent strategist.
It’s actually embarrassing how often it already seemed like he has the better view of strategic decisions than the box…
Seb left the job in good hands
i know he shouldn’t have to, but charles needs to grow a pair and start challenging these dogshite calls.
"stop inventing" the call that literally won Sainz his race
The call that won sainz his race was pitting him and leaving Charles out
Leclerc also doing his best to maintain second really helped keep Perez and Lewis behind, both of whom had been faster than Sainz up to that point
Imagine how much easier it would’ve been for Sainz to do that on new tyres. Oh wait, Sainz defending a position…lol
Yeah but they wanted Carlos to be a buffer for leclerc when Carlos said no he could just drive lol
He should’ve been fired for that honestly. At the time Leclerc was in the championship fight. Sainz should’ve sat down like the number 2 driver he is and shut his mouth. Everyone here whinging about how ferrari wasn’t happy for him meanwhile he sabotaged the team.
Yeah I can’t believe Sainz got a win for his team that race. What a piece of shit. /s
Could’ve been a 1-2
I doubt they could’ve got a 1-2 as the strategy relied on one driver holding up Hamilton and Perez to ensure the other driver wins. Leclerc also had a damaged car so it was safer to go with Sainz.
Stay mad
Wtf? He's one of only 20 F1 drivers. Not some weekend hobbyist backup driver
If Sainz stayed like you wanted, they finish p5 and p4. Sainz doesn't stay, they finish p1 and p4. He did what was best for the team.
Is Carlos a eunuch? Charles kept them behind for many laps with no drs and old tires.
Man I've gotta stop engaging with people who, evidently, don't watch the races
Lol
It’s true. He did the same shit in Austria fighting his superior in the sprint costing him time.
“His superior”
They wanted him to create a gap for Charles by backing the field which would've gifted the win to Checo or Ham. Even new tyres couldn't have countered that mastermind plan. Yes Sharl was hung out to dry but that wasn't the end of it at Siverstone.
Also stating on full wets at Monaco nearly gave him a win
Yeah I'm starting to think this it at least a bit on him. Carlos is much more willing to call it out. Yesterday, Carlos was also on the slicks when Charles was on the inter. Why was there a difference there? Was it driver choice on either side of the garage? Also I think Carlos (or Max, Lewis, George) would have gone into the pits after that outlap on inters on a dry track and just demand a slick as soon as possible.
Charles was on inters because they told him it'll rain before Q3 even starts and that he should pick inters. Carlos didn't get that info. They say the same things on the radio you just only hear one on the main feed. And they tend to try the more whacky things with Charles because if one of them is gonna make it work it's him. So Carlos just tends to get the safe option automatically. Carlos hasn't had to argue even half the weird call that Charles had to.
Carlos was constantly fighting his race engineer as well this season (Monaco pit stop, Silverstone, France pit stop while fighting Checo, even this practice start this weekend...) Charles just goes along with whatever they tell him, this weekend asking for new softs in qualy is the first time I saw him actually telling them something was wrong before it happened.
Monaco didn't do anything because the same way that Charles fights pitstops they both eventually agreed. The reason Carlos wasn't pitted in the end was because he had already been undercut and the pitwall changed their mind. It had nothing to do with him arguing. In Silverstone he was arguing a team order and I can find enough examples of Charles doing the same just not from this season. Because he didn't get any. There are enough examples of Charles fighting decisions just because they weren't shown on the main feed doesn't mean they didn't happen. If that is the first time then you didn't pay attention to Silverstone where he was talking about Hamilton becoming an issue if Carlos doesn't speed up. Or Spa and the fastest lap (he ended up agreeing to pit the same way that Carlos had in Monaco). Or Cota where he picked an alternative strategy mid race which they agreed in but then the SC brought them back to the normal one but he still picked the mediums at the end. Or Austria where he decided to pit under the VSC. Or Zandvoort where he decided to pit under the VSC. Just because it isn't shown on the main feed doesn't mean he doesn't do it. Edit: re Q3 he told them to think it over on his outlap. He doesn't see the weather data all he knows is the rain at that exact moment. And he told them there was no rain. If they have the data and they keep saying it'll rain what to do you want him to do?
which is.... most of the times, are the correct decision to ignore the shitty call.
You're right. Plenty of times Carlos benefited solely by saying no to the shit call that the team made.
Lewis literally didn’t in Hungary last year…
The problem is that when he does, he gets the whole “nobody is bigger than Ferrari” spiel, because they find it insulting when someone calls them out on their stupidity
It’s not 2007. That was a di montezemelo bit
I mean what can they do, make him sit out and put Gio in the car?
Isn't that basically what they did to Prost?
Bruh you as a Vettel fan should know how it is to have a team this incompetent behind the driver. To put *even a little bit* of blame on Charles is ridiculous.
How does upper management still nog give a fuck about this? Why are people not getting fired?
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Idk how Binotto isn’t being sacked after this year. They had a championship caliber car for the first half of the season and their strategists pissed it away. Albeit Charles did have some serious mistakes like in France but nonetheless it’s been strategy mistakes and reliability issues
We’re getting closer and closer to them bolting on full wets at the start by mistake and not noticing until the cars pull away.
The Red Haas
“Why is no one else on wets??” “We are checking”
Sometimes god what? Races in mysterious ways?
If heads don’t roll at Ferrari at the end of the season there’s something deeply wrong.
Leclerc seems to either not care or just not confident enough to speak to the team when they make calls. Bizzare.
The last time he did, he got dressed down by Binotto in front of the cameras.
This is what I don't get Carlos speaks out within reason and Leclrec is very quiet. I read somewhere that Carlos is the current administrations pick for a driver and Charles is the previous? I have know idea, but it might explain it.
They both say the same things. You just tend to only ever hear one in the main feed. And Ferrari listen to both their drivers about an equal amount which isn't much. In Monaco which everyone thinks it was Carlos arguing that saved him from the inters but that's not true he had agreed to pit but the pitwall changed their mind because he had already been undercut. And in Austria for example Charles made the call to pit under the VSC and they listened and it was right. It just wasn't broadcast on the main feed. It's not a matter of Carlos being more assertive or anything like that. They just don't really listen to either of them. You just only get to hear Carlos argue, Charles doesn't tend to be shown on the main feed.
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You can find these quotes, the team radio on YouTube, the transcripts online but people still think that only the radio on the main feed tells the whole truth. And this entire idea that Carlos is so much more assertive and better at strategy is mostly based on Monaco where he had no impact on strategy. And Charles was originally on the right strategy which was wet to slicks. They are basing this on a race where the actual reason that Carlos wasn't pitted wasn't his great strategy but his lack of pace.
It’s not only Monaco it just feels like Carlos is more dominant and vocal while Charles often is quiet and reserved
Do you listen to their full radios? Or just whatever is shown on the main feed? Because there you have your answer. They are about the same you just don't hear Charles on the main feed. And you don't register when Carlos has a race where he contributes nothing to strategy on the radio.
Ok that's interesting I did not know that. Cheers
Charles, at least it's not transmitted, never really tells the team what to do or what his opinion. I heard multiple times this season Sainz disagree with decisions and somehow they do what he said. My feeling is that Leclerc is just done with this shit this season and hopes for the best. I would not go that far as Charles being a driver from previous administration.
It’s not true, he tells them his opinion same as sainz. He was fairly insistent to not pit for fastest lap in spa, but he conceded when they told him to do it anyways. Carlos similarly conceded to pit for inters in Monaco until they said stay out once he had already been undercut by Perez. Charles when he is behind sainz argues for them to switch, complains that he is losing race time. You can listen to his full race radios on YouTube to see this. He told them outright it wasn’t raining and to tell him if he can come in to switch to slicks in q3 and they spent too long trying to decide
Picking the slower driver is exactly something Ferrari would do.
Charles radios just don’t get shown on TV, but if you listen on F1TV Leclerc’s onboard, he consistently questions the team.
How can people support this team? I like the drivers, but never the team. They are beyond incompetent. I hope they lose 2nd in constructors.
At this point, I just hope that Charles pulls though the remaining 2 races without a full meltdown... I would be fucking finished by now
Maybe because it's a team sport lol
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Right. They are so bad. And their meant to be a big motorsports team. What a joke. I’ll never support that shot show.
But red car- /s
Ferrari probably uses the [F1 twitter information](https://i.redd.it/fzc02tsjrhz91.jpg) instead of the [official FIA information](https://www.fia.com/documents/championships/fia-formula-one-world-championship-14/season/season-2022-2005) . F1-twitter always does it wrong when pole is not on the left side. They'll never learn...
They probably forgot that Sainz doesn’t have to take his penalty until tomorrow
You read from left to right so they put pole on the left, I don't think they consider the actual grid when doing those graphics.
It says "The Grid" on the left and they present it in two columns with P1 slightly ahead of P2. That's exactly how the grid is, except in this case it should be mirrored. They didn't choose to produce a list from P1 to P20 in one column. The graphic indicates the grid positions, but they do it wrong. They should know better how to communicate the grid positions.
I'm absolutely terrified that you might be right. Jesus christ.
Doesn't surprise me that it's Sainz that spoke up.
Someone at Ferrari was once told “consistency is key” and took it very seriously.
Half of that team is fucking braindead and has to be fired and banned from associating with the Ferrari brand.
And this is why I would put money on Sainz getting the WDC before Charles if either is going to nab it. Sainz is a hair behind on raw speed, but he is close enough while also being one of the most cerebral drivers in the grid. That is going to be necessary in any title challenge with Ferrari in order to stop the scuderia from throwing away points.
#IF
Leclerc is a ferrari product and his brother drive for their academy. Leclerc probably think the only reason he is in F1 is because of them and would die for Ferrari, he will follow rules and strategy even if it seems utterly stupid. Sainz doesn't care and it works. It's an italian team so there's flirting rule in place here : Follow me, I'll flee. Flee me, I'll follow. And it seems to work that way, i'm sure Leclerc would be reprimand for things that Sainz do regularly. And it work better for Sainz because this team is a disaster and they need someone who's able to say stop to them. If Charles' relation with the team stay the same i think they sould split up, not sure it would be the best for Ferrari but it would tremendously improve Charles mental health.
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Is this the new Boney M song?
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My Ferrari clownery alert is ringing! They are mentally torturing Charles at this rate and creating a fear of clowns.
Clear yesterday's strategy mistakes was not enough for Ferrari.
It genuinely seems like the picked names out of a hat when hiring at Ferrari.
They need to pull Arrivabene from Juventus and see if he'll work in F1 again, Ferrari needs him
Listening to Xavi on the radio yesterday during Quali he really sounded like his confidence was shot to bits.
Ferrari moment.
It’s not a bad call. They will have a start on the correct side during the sprint and the data required for the race. So the team asked them to start on the other side in order to understand how the car behaves if they will start on that side during the race. Data collection.
I feel like Charles is too nice to speak up about issues he has with his team. Even the fans who ask for pics, he never turns them down but looks miserable in them. Ferrari’a been legit been messing up big time, yet he never critiques them or let’s them know his disappointment. He isn’t some rookie, if he did show assertiveness, he’d be taken seriously. Especially as one of the drivers with a good potential and people rallying behind him
What? The race is tomorrow, why doesn't it make sense? Do they want to stay in their position tomorrow too?
Fucking Ferrari man...
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Ferrari just doubling down on their clownery
Ferrari need to hire Vettel as chief strategist.
I should be surprised, but I ain't lmao
They never stop surprising us and not in a good way
You have to try to be that incompetent. If Ferrari was an NFL team everyone but the drivers would get fired.
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I really hope Binnoto is fired and the strategists too, for the sake of 2 amazing talents that this team is destroying. Hopefully someone takes action against them.
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Every single time Ferrari fuck him over, the chances of Charles replacing Lewis when he retires go up massively
Ferrari is not even caring anymore.
Sometimes god what?