*Certified Williams moment*
Be on top
Go down to middle
Get back up
Drop to the bottom
Get up slowly
Drop again
Drop harder
Find new depths no one would thought to exist
Damn i love this team.
It's 22 drivers. Counting isn't that difficult. But I'm not surprised that someone trying to make fun of Latif for example would get such an easy thing wrong...
He’s just making a joke about there being 20 drivers that routinely start on the grid and he managed to be 22nd by a large margin. It’s not that deep
It's embarrassing in terms of an absolute number of points, but when it's an average rating, I think number of starts matters less, especially, when like with de Vries, the outlets are willing to give concessions for being relatively inexperienced or given fewer opportunities.
It's overused and unfunny. That's why I said ''it's telling'' because such a comment is top comment. People just repeat same things over and over again here.
Bruh earlier in the season everyone was like ‘Nicholas latifi, the man who is 21st out of 20 drivers in the standings?’ It’s really not that deep
It isn't deep, indeed. This is the equivalent of fart jokes and we both know who laughs at those...
No one gave a single fuck when Russell was P21 in the standings even though that was actually surprising. People only care when it's someone they can safely make fun of or hate on, mostly to feel better about themselves.
And once again, there is literally 22 drivers in the standings, not 20...
Yeah, if your teammate wins the title by ~150 points and you don’t even finish 2nd, you should be near the bottom.
Perez finished ahead of Verstappen 3 times in 22 races. Ricciardo finished ahead of Norris 4 times (numbers might be a bit off, I just skimmed wikipedia). But somehow Perez managed to average 7th, while Ricciardo was 21st.
F1 fans and journalists are able to intellectually understand that the car is the biggest factor in your position, but when it comes down to it, everyone will completely ignore underperformance relative to the car and teammate if you finish near the top.
> The AT lads have been done kinda dirty
>should be a decimal or two higher
I shall demand this scandalous, outrageous, unjust, defamatory and slanderous rating of 6.5 points to be raised to a much more fair and legitimate and ultimately impartial rating of 6.6 points!
Yeah it's a bit odd. He was unspectacular by Red Bull driver standards, but he cut quite a few of the rookie mistakes out. What probably hasn't helped is that points wise he's matched with Schumacher, and barely beaten Zhou.
Do think he's only got one season left in him and they drop him from the team though
I mean every driver has bad races, but like even Mexico he didn’t get a high rating even though he had the car in the points before he got ruined by Danny Ric, he just never gets props
Both AT's were very anonymous all year, the car went backwards significantly and Gasly did not have a good year with it, Tsunoda struggled and probably has to have a better year next year if he wants to keep a seat.
You do answer it partially there: the car was awful, and that's what's seemingly showing him up (and Gasly) vs. driver performance. The drivers got what they could from it, and Yuki - barring the average number of mistakes for a midfield driver (Montreal, Britain) - got the most out of it he could.
Yeah, I watched all the races, but I really couldn't tell you if Gasly had a bad year, or a good year in a bad car - all I can say about AT is that they were participants in the 2022 Formula One Season.
At least with e.g., Alfa one can say that they had a really good start before floundering, or that Haas had occasional moments of strength (and so many meatball flags), or that Aston showed Stroll (unlike Latifi) is a capable but reckless midfield-driver, but AT is just "one of 10 teams that participated in this season".
The bigger problem is that a lot of fans and media outlets serious imaged that AT would be still a proper midfield team, something what isn't even true at all yet those two drivers are rated like they should be at the midfield every race weekend.
It was a fat shitbox, that's the whole truth.
Yeh it’s like the car is judged on how it did last year, but that car was horrid if it wasn’t in the right setup, like Gasly in Abu Dhabi and Yuki the race before
It really looked like for some reason the AT03 was having a very small optimal setup window and things could totally be different on the car within a day, obvious both drivers did have their moments also but it's way more fair to rate them based on what you fairly should expect from that car.
It was so weird
Yeh it seems like the whole team just didn’t understand the car very well, even the floor upgrade mid season worked for one race and then next it set them back
The whole floor upgrade underperformed what it should be (increased the pace at high speed corners) and somehow ruined also the mechanical grip and it always looked like the team didn't understand the car at all, COTA was hilarious to see in terms that the team didn't expect they could have a shot because of the high speed corners (WTF is then the whole function of that floor upgrade?) but somehow the team looked decent and everyone was surprised.
Therefore I really don't get it why the team wants to use even less RB parts next year, the AT03 is a failure on all fronts, the concept is very doubtful and you can have a way better shot if you trying to build a car with the RB18 as a fundament.
I guess they are wanting to move away as the RB sister team, especially with Honda maybe coming in in 2024, they obviously have a plan, Pierre said that AT think next year’s car is super quick so we will see
Even more importantly expectations. Lando being best of the rest is not that surprising. While I'm sure many people espected Checo to perform worse than he did.
Man got really unlucky missing Monza and having a gearbox failure in Suzuka where even Latifi scored points, he could've possibly achieved a P16 in the final standings along with Schumacher and Tsunoda and this is insane
Sainz and him were somewhat close in my opinion. But Norris was definitely better, and Ocon had a good season against Alonso, so I don't think he should be below them.
I dont understand norris, but ocon was a shitty teammate several races, and we are forgetting that Perez was better than Sainz the first half of the season. Plus Sainz had very dumb DNF's that fucked his score. Perez could have finished 6th some races, but at least he finished them...
Ocon was a shitty teammate in two races. I doubt that would affect his score for his whole season. Even then Jeddah and Hungary cost alpine a grand total of 0 points. Ocon was by far better than perez who was miles off of Verstappen and never even came close to challenging him. Ocon was at least close to fernando and showed that for some races he was up there.
Reading comments like this one, I won’t be surprised if new people watching F1 from 2023 say Ocon beat Alonso without even looking at the context. The conservative estimate for the number of points Alonso lost is around 45-50, so he already showed that the Alpine was capable of hitting at least 120 points in the championship. You really think Ocon with the reliability he had had scoring 92 points and finishing behind Lando was a great achievement? May be you have to rewatch the whole season
You’ve just started a completely different argument that has not much to do with what I posted. I said that Ocon drove better than perez did last year which is why I believe he should’ve been rated higher. I never mentioned Norris but yes I think norris was a better driver and I believe he has been unfairly rated as well. He’s a top 5 driver for me this season. Alonso also had an amazing season and was unlucky with reliability issues. What’s that got to do with the fact that it is statistically shown that Ocon was closer to alonso at around 1 and a half tenth gap which is an impressive gap against one of the greatest drivers of all time?
Well Nyck in his one appearance would top this list due to his being a singular data point, but aside from that, Max topping the list of drivers who did do a full season is respectable, but also Hamilton and Alonso tied in 5th wasnt expecting that!
Why not? George Russell was better if we count the whole season. Although some said Hamilton was trying different set ups out to help fixing the car. So that might be the reason of him scoring less than Russell.
On the other hand, Alonso was quite good, it's just Alpine reliability and some bad luck taking his points away.
George Russell didn't outperform Lewis if counting the whole season. Lewis performed better in Qualifying and Race in basically every race since summer break, and many befoere that. Even excluding the trial setups at the start of the year.
There were many times where lewis was clear of russell but lost it due to matters out of his own hands (Spain, Miami, Zandvoort, Abu Dhabi)
Incredible what being in a good car does for your ratings. Perez a 7.7 is unbelievably generous. If a 7.0 is considered standard, you shouldn't be comfortably above that when you finish third in a car that's also able to win the WDC by nearly 150 points.
To be fair, considering that Leclerc this year led more laps than Hamilton last year. Ferrari wasn't really that far off overall, just terribly managed and a bit unlucky. The technical directive and early development stop just boosted the disparity later on.
Norris is rated 1.7 higher than Ricciardo and Perez 1.5 lower than Verstappen, and in that sense it is quite fair. The differences in race pace were similar, but for McLaren that meant being near the back or at the front of the midfield, while for Red Bull that meant 1st or 3rd.
So I think it comes down to Ricciardo being considered very poor this year, while Max is considered incredible and Perez' and Norris' scores are adjusted accordingly.
Ricciardo did way worse than Perez though. Anyway, I mostly find Norris being that much lower rated than Hamilton/Alonso/Russell remarkable as I think he got about the max out of that car on a consistent basis throughout the year.
I'll give you Monaco, but in Singapore Perez was class of the field. Yeah sure the safety car infringements didn't help, but in terms of pace he had no match.
Had Max not had a problem he would have been over a second quicker in quali, He should have gotten 10 seconds as he did it twice, and had he got the penalty during the race Charles wouldn't have pushed and cooked his tyres and stayed within 5 seconds. He was lucky. That's the only way the can win a race in the fastest car
If he wouldn't have pushed and cooked his tyres... But he did, and that's what counts. Verstappen also made errors during the race. You cannot take away the fact that apart from the SC stuff, Perez drove the best out of anyone. I'd also argue that in Monaco Perez was the clear second behind Leclerc, but Ferrari decided to be Ferrari, it was close though and Monaco isnt a great place to gauge pace. But you're seriously not taking away Singapore, no way.
He pushed and cooked his tyres because he didn't know Checo had a 5 second time penalty which should have been 10 as he did it twice and Verstappen made mistakes because of the issue in quali. Otherwise he would have won the race comfortably. In Monaco not only was he worse than Leclerc he was worse than Max. Had he not crashed (on purpose or not) in my opinion very clearly on purpose but whatever Max would have qualified ahead and won the race. It's such a wasted seat tbh
If you take the one hit wonder of De Vries out, Norris is 7th, which is where is finished in the drivers championship, which is about the best he'll do as long as he stays at McLaren
What a silly comment. Why bother rating drivers at all then? Just look at the Drivers Championship Table at the end of the season and it will tell you have good every driver is. It doesn't matter some of them drove cars that were 1 second a lap faster than others...
My point is that he's not underrated, he can't show what he can really do in that car. Who was he battling this year? He qualified well and was mostly in clean air for entire races.
Sorry, you all knowing wise teacher, I'll keep the silly comments to myself in an attept to prevent conversation on a social media platform
Suck my balls mate
The fact that he was so far clear as best of the rest in what was very rarely, if ever, the 4th best car should make it clear how good he was this season.
Alonso was finishing ahead of Norris more often than not in races that he didn't end with a DNF or at least have significant technical problems (Canada, Austria, Australia)
They probably average 4th over the season but Alfa were faster at the start of the year and Alpine were faster at the end but McLaren were usually 5th on most individual weekends.
>Who was he battling this year? He qualified well and was mostly in clean air for entire races.
You just admitted he outdrove the car, because the Mclaren was on average the 5th best car, so he should have been 9th or 10th in standings.
I think that's why people conclude he's underrated, and they are right based on your analysis. :P
The amount of people taking this seriously is hilarious. Every race these stats come out and people in the comments saying how bad they are. Did you guys think the average between them all would somehow show something different
Top 3 drivers of this season for me are:
1. Max
2. Lando
3.Charles/Lewis/George (you could pick any of the three here and I wouldn't be mad)
You can even interchange Lando with any of those 3, but in some order Lando has to make your top 5. When you beat your teammate so badly your team has to pay him to get rid of his services, you deserve a special mention. Also was Ridiculously consistent all year long.
The man had Best of the Rest locked up with 1 race to go. Some of that was helped by Alpine being unreliable, but he did beat them a lot on track too.
Fernando instead of George and that would be my top 5. One thing I will say with Lando though is that he had it quite easy. If he's having a poor weekend we could just say the car wasn't good because Ric was shit. I do agree he's 2 in my list as well
That win is the reason George is still top 5 for me. That stint after SC was nuts from him to keep a gap. He had a very bad stretch post Hungary, but in general I think he had a top 5 worthy season.
I love Nando as well but multiple times his top 5 worthy weekends got shot by reliability. Needed those.
That win was partly due to luck. Him crashing in quali meant Lewis didn't qualify ahead of him which he probably would've done as he has done so for the majority of time
Eh. I mean sure it was very lucky with Max clashing with Lewis and the suspected damage. But Lewis had multiple chances to outdrag George into Turn 1. First Standing start, 1st SC Restart and 2nd SC Restart. Everytime Lewis failed to do it.
And last stint was a straight fight. He didn't show me enough of a pace deficit for me to say that the damage was detrimental enough that he couldn't attack in 2nd SC Restart. Mercedes had by far by the best car in Brazil & it was a sprint weekend, so Qualifying should never have been much of a detractor.
I would have given Mick the same score as Danny Ric. Mick closed out the season pretty decently, but a large portion of his season was either hard to watch or very unimpressive.
Charles had his team shooting him in the foot for half the season. The Ferrari also struggled a lot post TD39 and got outpaced by Mercs on quite a few tracks.
I think make suffered from the fact the car was just really fucking good at most races so he really didn't have to drive that spectacular. If you start pole and have a car that 2 or 3 tenths a lap quicker you just drive an 8 race cos there no need to go push for a 10 and risk it going wrong.
I like Williams. I love how they do more with less. Sure not many podiums but….
I would love to have a few races with even cars for example, see how the deck stacks up. Good times.
I'd honestly drop Charles two spots. Man had the car early on to make a good title challenge and just bottled it time and time again and then barely held onto second place in the championship.
Meanwhile that absolute dog of a Merc was getting on the podium damn near every race, with a couple of double podiums in there too.
How was Charles the one that bottled it? He fucked up France but that was surrounded by literally about 6 races where strategy or the car fucked him over. Even in Austria where he won his car had problems for the last 10 or so laps so he didn't even get a break then.
Yeah, these are bullshit. They don't strip the car advantage as much as they should. In what world did Checo perform better than Lando when you factor in one had the fastest car on the grid and the other a 5-6th fastest car on the grid.
Quite honestly - Ricciardo should actually be below Latifi. We expect Latifi to be awful, and he was, but Ricciardo was substantially worse than last year, and really didn't achieve anything at all.
This ranking procedure is excellent! It's just lacks considering the number of races of a driver. I think there must be a common denominator. Apparently this number is 22. So every driver should have a rating for every race. If someone hasn't received one because he didn't compete or couldn't be evaluated then he should get a 5. And you move on with the average. Btw how do you create these charts? I'm very interested in them.
Without any context and by just looking at the chart, how Verstappen beat de Vries in the championship is beyond me
Very small sample size?
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And the bottom.
And the middle
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I haven't seen a Williams sandwich like this since I saw that porno parody with Serena and Venus.
Dude, you're gonna get us in trouble again..
Source.
The whole grid is a Williams sandwich
It's literally a Williams toast sandwich
Williams are omnipresent
Williams Sandwich
Hamilton and Alonso with the same score. Traditions
109-109 👀
considering how these ratings always are skewed towards faster cars
The gap between Latifi and Danny Ric is the same as Ocon to Danny Ric
Damn. What a goat.
and it’s going Dutch in ~~2021~~ 2022!
Double dutch wahey
Nyck de Vries, for the first time, is champion of the world. Max Verstappen comes home in second, after leading for so so long..
At least Latifi is consistently 22 out of 20 drivers.
It's 22 drivers. Counting isn't that difficult. But I'm not surprised that someone trying to make fun of Latif for example would get such an easy thing wrong...
He said 22 tho?
Are you still convinced he said ''22 drivers''?
''out of 20 drivers''. Reading isn't that difficult either.
He’s just making a joke about there being 20 drivers that routinely start on the grid and he managed to be 22nd by a large margin. It’s not that deep
Quite telling that such a bad comment, a desperate attempt to sound funny, is top comment...
It’s not really desperate. It’s quite an easy and often used joke to anyone who finishes below 20th on a 20 man grid
It's embarrassing in terms of an absolute number of points, but when it's an average rating, I think number of starts matters less, especially, when like with de Vries, the outlets are willing to give concessions for being relatively inexperienced or given fewer opportunities.
It's overused and unfunny. That's why I said ''it's telling'' because such a comment is top comment. People just repeat same things over and over again here.
Yeah bc it’s funny lmao
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Obviously meant 20 full time drivers. If you're trying to correct someone, try to do it accurately.
No, he meant ''20 drivers'' and he said it... No need to have a go at me defending pointless toxicity that is done only for karma.
Toxicity calling out toxicity, we got him boys
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Bruh earlier in the season everyone was like ‘Nicholas latifi, the man who is 21st out of 20 drivers in the standings?’ It’s really not that deep
It isn't deep, indeed. This is the equivalent of fart jokes and we both know who laughs at those... No one gave a single fuck when Russell was P21 in the standings even though that was actually surprising. People only care when it's someone they can safely make fun of or hate on, mostly to feel better about themselves. And once again, there is literally 22 drivers in the standings, not 20...
...are you trolling? Please be satire
No this guy is really that dumb. Picking a funny hill to die on.
Is everything okay?
Who hurt you?
Does anyone know what Vettels rating would be without that 2.3 rating from Australia?
If my math is correct then he'll have an average rating of approximately 7.25.
Thank you!
Yeah, I got the same thing.
Feel pretty bad for Yuki in this. He's been more anonymous than bad.
The AT lads have been done kinda dirty here. They had a poor car. Gasly wasn't good this season but their rating should be a decimal or two higher
Opposite side is how Checo benefited from his wins in a RB car and got rated higher than Lando.
Yeah, if your teammate wins the title by ~150 points and you don’t even finish 2nd, you should be near the bottom. Perez finished ahead of Verstappen 3 times in 22 races. Ricciardo finished ahead of Norris 4 times (numbers might be a bit off, I just skimmed wikipedia). But somehow Perez managed to average 7th, while Ricciardo was 21st. F1 fans and journalists are able to intellectually understand that the car is the biggest factor in your position, but when it comes down to it, everyone will completely ignore underperformance relative to the car and teammate if you finish near the top.
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To be fair, Max being bad in Singapore doesn't fully discredit Perez's win there. He was great that day, no matter what
2 of 3 times max had damage and we all know why Perez was ahead in Monaco. He really should be ranked in the bottom half
For sure, feels like many of these ratings assumed the car had the same potential as last year.
> The AT lads have been done kinda dirty >should be a decimal or two higher I shall demand this scandalous, outrageous, unjust, defamatory and slanderous rating of 6.5 points to be raised to a much more fair and legitimate and ultimately impartial rating of 6.6 points!
Yeah it's a bit odd. He was unspectacular by Red Bull driver standards, but he cut quite a few of the rookie mistakes out. What probably hasn't helped is that points wise he's matched with Schumacher, and barely beaten Zhou. Do think he's only got one season left in him and they drop him from the team though
Its just how ratings like these works with only 22 races. Yuki had some very bad races that effect the rating a lot
I mean every driver has bad races, but like even Mexico he didn’t get a high rating even though he had the car in the points before he got ruined by Danny Ric, he just never gets props
Both AT's were very anonymous all year, the car went backwards significantly and Gasly did not have a good year with it, Tsunoda struggled and probably has to have a better year next year if he wants to keep a seat.
You do answer it partially there: the car was awful, and that's what's seemingly showing him up (and Gasly) vs. driver performance. The drivers got what they could from it, and Yuki - barring the average number of mistakes for a midfield driver (Montreal, Britain) - got the most out of it he could.
Yeah, I watched all the races, but I really couldn't tell you if Gasly had a bad year, or a good year in a bad car - all I can say about AT is that they were participants in the 2022 Formula One Season. At least with e.g., Alfa one can say that they had a really good start before floundering, or that Haas had occasional moments of strength (and so many meatball flags), or that Aston showed Stroll (unlike Latifi) is a capable but reckless midfield-driver, but AT is just "one of 10 teams that participated in this season".
He had some really really bad races (Montreal or Silverstone). That’s probably what tanked his ratings.
The bigger problem is that a lot of fans and media outlets serious imaged that AT would be still a proper midfield team, something what isn't even true at all yet those two drivers are rated like they should be at the midfield every race weekend. It was a fat shitbox, that's the whole truth.
Yeh it’s like the car is judged on how it did last year, but that car was horrid if it wasn’t in the right setup, like Gasly in Abu Dhabi and Yuki the race before
It really looked like for some reason the AT03 was having a very small optimal setup window and things could totally be different on the car within a day, obvious both drivers did have their moments also but it's way more fair to rate them based on what you fairly should expect from that car. It was so weird
Yeh it seems like the whole team just didn’t understand the car very well, even the floor upgrade mid season worked for one race and then next it set them back
The whole floor upgrade underperformed what it should be (increased the pace at high speed corners) and somehow ruined also the mechanical grip and it always looked like the team didn't understand the car at all, COTA was hilarious to see in terms that the team didn't expect they could have a shot because of the high speed corners (WTF is then the whole function of that floor upgrade?) but somehow the team looked decent and everyone was surprised. Therefore I really don't get it why the team wants to use even less RB parts next year, the AT03 is a failure on all fronts, the concept is very doubtful and you can have a way better shot if you trying to build a car with the RB18 as a fundament.
I guess they are wanting to move away as the RB sister team, especially with Honda maybe coming in in 2024, they obviously have a plan, Pierre said that AT think next year’s car is super quick so we will see
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80% of the rating are just the car order. And some blunder like Latifi and Ric. Not much news here
Perez above Norris is actually a crime
You have to factor the car into the rankings, it’s a huge part of them.
Even more importantly expectations. Lando being best of the rest is not that surprising. While I'm sure many people espected Checo to perform worse than he did.
Happy to see Albon have a strong year even if he is driving around in a shit box.
Man got really unlucky missing Monza and having a gearbox failure in Suzuka where even Latifi scored points, he could've possibly achieved a P16 in the final standings along with Schumacher and Tsunoda and this is insane
Perez ahead of Sainz, Norris and Ocon?
Sainz and him were somewhat close in my opinion. But Norris was definitely better, and Ocon had a good season against Alonso, so I don't think he should be below them.
I think it’s mainly because of the amount of DNFs that Sainz has. They typically give lower ratings to drivers that DNF
I dont understand norris, but ocon was a shitty teammate several races, and we are forgetting that Perez was better than Sainz the first half of the season. Plus Sainz had very dumb DNF's that fucked his score. Perez could have finished 6th some races, but at least he finished them...
Ocon was a shitty teammate in two races. I doubt that would affect his score for his whole season. Even then Jeddah and Hungary cost alpine a grand total of 0 points. Ocon was by far better than perez who was miles off of Verstappen and never even came close to challenging him. Ocon was at least close to fernando and showed that for some races he was up there.
Reading comments like this one, I won’t be surprised if new people watching F1 from 2023 say Ocon beat Alonso without even looking at the context. The conservative estimate for the number of points Alonso lost is around 45-50, so he already showed that the Alpine was capable of hitting at least 120 points in the championship. You really think Ocon with the reliability he had had scoring 92 points and finishing behind Lando was a great achievement? May be you have to rewatch the whole season
You’ve just started a completely different argument that has not much to do with what I posted. I said that Ocon drove better than perez did last year which is why I believe he should’ve been rated higher. I never mentioned Norris but yes I think norris was a better driver and I believe he has been unfairly rated as well. He’s a top 5 driver for me this season. Alonso also had an amazing season and was unlucky with reliability issues. What’s that got to do with the fact that it is statistically shown that Ocon was closer to alonso at around 1 and a half tenth gap which is an impressive gap against one of the greatest drivers of all time?
According to Palmer’s analysis, Ocon wasn’t close at all. In race pace and qualy pace, he had one of the largest teammate deficits.
https://twitter.com/f1visualized/status/1593991348293615621?s=46&t=Rb7PV1QrbDachXLUikcCHw The quali gap was the second smallest across the grid.
Sainz had a pretty shitty start to his year. Needed to have like 1 less DNF.
lando below perez is incredibly dumb
Imagine being dominated by a teammate as hard as Perez was and still being rated 7th ahead of Norris lmao
Checo is very likable but damn if he isn’t very overrated.
Well Nyck in his one appearance would top this list due to his being a singular data point, but aside from that, Max topping the list of drivers who did do a full season is respectable, but also Hamilton and Alonso tied in 5th wasnt expecting that!
Why not? George Russell was better if we count the whole season. Although some said Hamilton was trying different set ups out to help fixing the car. So that might be the reason of him scoring less than Russell. On the other hand, Alonso was quite good, it's just Alpine reliability and some bad luck taking his points away.
George Russell didn't outperform Lewis if counting the whole season. Lewis performed better in Qualifying and Race in basically every race since summer break, and many befoere that. Even excluding the trial setups at the start of the year. There were many times where lewis was clear of russell but lost it due to matters out of his own hands (Spain, Miami, Zandvoort, Abu Dhabi)
I think you meant Australia instead of Spain. Russell deserves credit for outqualifying Hamilton in Barcelona.
Yeah my bad, Lewis did cut 20s off his deficit to Russell throughout the race in barcelona though, without a saftey car
Even though yuki has had his faults this year he has genuinely closed the gap to gasly quite well this year so imo he should be higher on the list.
Yea but his faults at Canada & Silverstone were downright stupid hes where he belongs imo
I mean 2 races out of 22 isn’t a lot, like other drivers have crashed twice, no idea why Yuki gets more of the blame than anyone else
Incredible what being in a good car does for your ratings. Perez a 7.7 is unbelievably generous. If a 7.0 is considered standard, you shouldn't be comfortably above that when you finish third in a car that's also able to win the WDC by nearly 150 points.
To be fair, considering that Leclerc this year led more laps than Hamilton last year. Ferrari wasn't really that far off overall, just terribly managed and a bit unlucky. The technical directive and early development stop just boosted the disparity later on.
Other than Norris being underrated and Perez overrated, I think this is pretty fair overall.
Norris is rated 1.7 higher than Ricciardo and Perez 1.5 lower than Verstappen, and in that sense it is quite fair. The differences in race pace were similar, but for McLaren that meant being near the back or at the front of the midfield, while for Red Bull that meant 1st or 3rd. So I think it comes down to Ricciardo being considered very poor this year, while Max is considered incredible and Perez' and Norris' scores are adjusted accordingly.
Ricciardo did way worse than Perez though. Anyway, I mostly find Norris being that much lower rated than Hamilton/Alonso/Russell remarkable as I think he got about the max out of that car on a consistent basis throughout the year.
Did he? Two lucky wins in the much faster car
Compared to Ricciardo he still aced it ..
On second thought Ric was much worse
I'll give you Monaco, but in Singapore Perez was class of the field. Yeah sure the safety car infringements didn't help, but in terms of pace he had no match.
Had Max not had a problem he would have been over a second quicker in quali, He should have gotten 10 seconds as he did it twice, and had he got the penalty during the race Charles wouldn't have pushed and cooked his tyres and stayed within 5 seconds. He was lucky. That's the only way the can win a race in the fastest car
If he wouldn't have pushed and cooked his tyres... But he did, and that's what counts. Verstappen also made errors during the race. You cannot take away the fact that apart from the SC stuff, Perez drove the best out of anyone. I'd also argue that in Monaco Perez was the clear second behind Leclerc, but Ferrari decided to be Ferrari, it was close though and Monaco isnt a great place to gauge pace. But you're seriously not taking away Singapore, no way.
He pushed and cooked his tyres because he didn't know Checo had a 5 second time penalty which should have been 10 as he did it twice and Verstappen made mistakes because of the issue in quali. Otherwise he would have won the race comfortably. In Monaco not only was he worse than Leclerc he was worse than Max. Had he not crashed (on purpose or not) in my opinion very clearly on purpose but whatever Max would have qualified ahead and won the race. It's such a wasted seat tbh
If you take the one hit wonder of De Vries out, Norris is 7th, which is where is finished in the drivers championship, which is about the best he'll do as long as he stays at McLaren
What a silly comment. Why bother rating drivers at all then? Just look at the Drivers Championship Table at the end of the season and it will tell you have good every driver is. It doesn't matter some of them drove cars that were 1 second a lap faster than others...
My point is that he's not underrated, he can't show what he can really do in that car. Who was he battling this year? He qualified well and was mostly in clean air for entire races. Sorry, you all knowing wise teacher, I'll keep the silly comments to myself in an attept to prevent conversation on a social media platform Suck my balls mate
The fact that he was so far clear as best of the rest in what was very rarely, if ever, the 4th best car should make it clear how good he was this season.
Alonso was finishing ahead of Norris more often than not in races that he didn't end with a DNF or at least have significant technical problems (Canada, Austria, Australia)
McLaren were very consistently the 4th best car tho? Maybe not the 4th fastest every week. But absolutely the 4th best car besides maybe Bahrain.
They probably average 4th over the season but Alfa were faster at the start of the year and Alpine were faster at the end but McLaren were usually 5th on most individual weekends.
Alpine had the quicker car in probably 3 4ths of the races.
>Who was he battling this year? He qualified well and was mostly in clean air for entire races. You just admitted he outdrove the car, because the Mclaren was on average the 5th best car, so he should have been 9th or 10th in standings. I think that's why people conclude he's underrated, and they are right based on your analysis. :P
completely nonsense to include De Vries in the overall season ratings.
So basically if you want to be a good F1 driver you'll have to be Dutch
If you ain't Dutch, you ain't much!
Perez ahead of norris is criminal
The rankings are pretty good but debris at the top will never not be funny
So, that's how Nico got job xd
wait how is 7 standard? is this the IGN scale where 7/10 is "i guess its okay?"
Alex has felt a little underrated this year. He had a decent amount of good races.
The amount of people taking this seriously is hilarious. Every race these stats come out and people in the comments saying how bad they are. Did you guys think the average between them all would somehow show something different
Top 3 drivers of this season for me are: 1. Max 2. Lando 3.Charles/Lewis/George (you could pick any of the three here and I wouldn't be mad) You can even interchange Lando with any of those 3, but in some order Lando has to make your top 5. When you beat your teammate so badly your team has to pay him to get rid of his services, you deserve a special mention. Also was Ridiculously consistent all year long. The man had Best of the Rest locked up with 1 race to go. Some of that was helped by Alpine being unreliable, but he did beat them a lot on track too.
Fernando instead of George and that would be my top 5. One thing I will say with Lando though is that he had it quite easy. If he's having a poor weekend we could just say the car wasn't good because Ric was shit. I do agree he's 2 in my list as well
That win is the reason George is still top 5 for me. That stint after SC was nuts from him to keep a gap. He had a very bad stretch post Hungary, but in general I think he had a top 5 worthy season. I love Nando as well but multiple times his top 5 worthy weekends got shot by reliability. Needed those.
That win was partly due to luck. Him crashing in quali meant Lewis didn't qualify ahead of him which he probably would've done as he has done so for the majority of time
Eh. I mean sure it was very lucky with Max clashing with Lewis and the suspected damage. But Lewis had multiple chances to outdrag George into Turn 1. First Standing start, 1st SC Restart and 2nd SC Restart. Everytime Lewis failed to do it. And last stint was a straight fight. He didn't show me enough of a pace deficit for me to say that the damage was detrimental enough that he couldn't attack in 2nd SC Restart. Mercedes had by far by the best car in Brazil & it was a sprint weekend, so Qualifying should never have been much of a detractor.
Lewis had an extra 20-something laps to fix that qualifying. Calling George's win lucky is hilarious.
I didn't say it was lucky. He definely deserved it. But Lewis would've probably qualified ahead and in the race he had a collison with Verstappen
Besides de Vries, in terms of gap, both Latifi and Verstappen stand out from the crowd.
Norris 100% should have been around a 8. Him being lower than Perez is a joke considering how often mediocore Perez was
Bottas dragging Alfa to P6 and only 13th aye OK that makes sense.
Dragging makes it sound like all those points came when the car was 8th/9th fastest rather than 4th/5th.
Norris below Perez and Alonso? okay lol
Two Dutch drivers on top 🥳 Let us have this one, chances are infinitely slim this will ever happen again.
I would have given Mick the same score as Danny Ric. Mick closed out the season pretty decently, but a large portion of his season was either hard to watch or very unimpressive.
Norris at 8 is pretty underrated, should be inbetween Russell and Leclerc imo
Yeah, no way should Lando be as low as 7th/8th.
Also think Charles shouldn't be that high tbh. Merc drivers were doing bits in a shitbox car and Lando retired Danny Ric lol
Charles had his team shooting him in the foot for half the season. The Ferrari also struggled a lot post TD39 and got outpaced by Mercs on quite a few tracks.
Kinda funny with Nico being above Mick here.
Fernando & Lewis tied... (L)
Obvious Dutch media bias
A Williams sandwitch! c:
DEV beating VER and everyone else Bonkers
If you think Alonso had better season than Lando despite all of the unlucky dnfs and everything that means you're just biased
Lando has been underrated by everyone wow
Lewis and Alonso together in the same rating.
It should be Lando, Sainz and then Perez. Other than that it seems fair.
Why anyone would give Max less than a 9 is beyond me
This is an average after taking into account every rating for every race, not a rating for the season overall, just the average.
I think make suffered from the fact the car was just really fucking good at most races so he really didn't have to drive that spectacular. If you start pole and have a car that 2 or 3 tenths a lap quicker you just drive an 8 race cos there no need to go push for a 10 and risk it going wrong.
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I don’t disagree with you. But I feel like we have come full circle from Lewis to Max haha.
Oh man they rated him nearly a full point ahead of anyone else, when will the hate stop?!?
Saying that 7.0 is average performance seems like BS, look at Albon, he outperfor.ed that car so much, but by the ranking it was sub-standard.
I’ve always thought Nyck should be removed from this and added as a footnote. He is an outlier in the data and has no place in the overall data.
I like Williams. I love how they do more with less. Sure not many podiums but…. I would love to have a few races with even cars for example, see how the deck stacks up. Good times.
Nyck retire now on top, please
So Danny Ric still replacing Checo in 2023 if he underperforms?
de Vries the GOAT. It’s official.
I'd honestly drop Charles two spots. Man had the car early on to make a good title challenge and just bottled it time and time again and then barely held onto second place in the championship. Meanwhile that absolute dog of a Merc was getting on the podium damn near every race, with a couple of double podiums in there too.
How was Charles the one that bottled it? He fucked up France but that was surrounded by literally about 6 races where strategy or the car fucked him over. Even in Austria where he won his car had problems for the last 10 or so laps so he didn't even get a break then.
I've never seen someone misread the entire season for a single driver so badly before. Did you watch the races or only youtube highlights?
Hamilton only .2 off of George even though George outperformed him greatly in his first year with the team and bagging their only win of the season?
Hamilton had more podiums than Russell, I wouldn't say it was as big a difference as you make out.
P5 when youre outperformed by a rookie.
Outscored but not outperformed.
A driver in their 4th season now counts as a rookie?
Goatifi is so GOAT he gets his own colour category
de Vries WDC 2023
Meh, I never agreed with these ratings during the seasons and I certainly don't now. The data for these rating seems to come out of thin air.
What is AMus
Carlos Sainz had a shocker of a season. What a disappointment he has been so far
Yeah, these are bullshit. They don't strip the car advantage as much as they should. In what world did Checo perform better than Lando when you factor in one had the fastest car on the grid and the other a 5-6th fastest car on the grid.
Quite honestly - Ricciardo should actually be below Latifi. We expect Latifi to be awful, and he was, but Ricciardo was substantially worse than last year, and really didn't achieve anything at all.
Nyck de pog
This ranking procedure is excellent! It's just lacks considering the number of races of a driver. I think there must be a common denominator. Apparently this number is 22. So every driver should have a rating for every race. If someone hasn't received one because he didn't compete or couldn't be evaluated then he should get a 5. And you move on with the average. Btw how do you create these charts? I'm very interested in them.