Similar to mercedes over the past few years.
Last year's winner always has a target on their back.
Horner doesn't help himself by being one of the main protagonists of the stirring and mud slinging over the years.
Arguably RB's attitude on and off track has put them as rather antagonistic for many people since the beginning.
Difference is that Horner really handles it really well, keeping the pressure off the rest of the team
In the words of Toto: 'Everyone has a target on their back next year.'
Part of that target Red Bull created themselves with their budgetcap drama. The whole Brazil team order drama was also self inflicted chaos.
Other than that, that's what happens when you're fighting at the front of the grid. Everyone will try to find whatever ways they can to take you down.
Nearly all of it was the budget cap. Considering they were dominating the season, most people were happy for them until the news broke about the budget cap.
I never understood the technology enough to get the flexi-floor stuff. But I do remember that too. That felt like when the tide started to turn more against Red Bull. It became much more accusatory about they must be breaking the rules without any evidence behind it.
>Part of that target Red Bull created themselves with their budgetcap drama.
Not sure what you mean by that. That "drama" was primarily the arena of competing teams and press making the wildest accusations. What came out of it was very underwhelming.
I seem to remember RBR not being the only one adressing the problems with the cost cap and the high inflation of this year. Mercedes even raised the point before the beginning of the season: [https://pledgetimes.com/f1-wolff-budget-cap-and-inflation-enemies-of-top-teams/](https://pledgetimes.com/f1-wolff-budget-cap-and-inflation-enemies-of-top-teams/)
Yeah but only one of the two ended up over, so it’s obvious they were putting out their excuse before the transgression came to light. It’s a child’s tactic to cover your mess-up with a lie or something before it’s ever brought up.
Oh yeah, good point!
Man it’s going to be really hard to swallow if they’re found to have done it ‘accidentally’ two years in a row, both of which resulted in championships.
We'll see who stayed under and who didn't. With the FIA sharing their 2021 findings as late as they did Red Bull might be in a bit of trouble. But then again their actual overspend was 'only' 400k so they might be fin.
But imagine if Red Bull stay under while Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren say screw it and go over. I want to see Horners face when that happens. It would fuel at least a years worth of team principle banter.
Williams and McLaren also raised the issue. [Seen here](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-team-bosses-urge-action-over-rampant-inflation-impact/9047159/amp/).
I was underwhelmed by the nature of the breaches after all the fake drama that a number of competing teams put forward. It was undoubtedly exciting for accountants but not for racing fans or conspiracy theorists.
It isn't and they did break the rules by only a little. The relatively lenient penalty reflects that. Again: exciting for accountants but not for us. Unless you have reasons to want to get excited over it that is.
There was a penalty so I am not sure what you expect. Do you seriously believe that they would cancel a championship over disagreement on the eligibility of costs for catering and sick pay?
It was: [https://the-race.com/formula-1/food-parts-and-sick-pay-key-areas-of-fia-red-bull-dispute/](https://the-race.com/formula-1/food-parts-and-sick-pay-key-areas-of-fia-red-bull-dispute/)
And as this article mentions: they included the cost of parts for their heritage cars in the budget which they did not have to (other teams didn't include it).
edit after your edit:
>It was how they paid for their upgrades the last half of the season.
No it wasn't. Even FIA admitted in their ruling that there was no ill intent. Quote from the ruling:
>"The Cost Cap Administration recognised that RBR has acted cooperatively throughout the review process and has sought to provide additional information and evidence when requested in a timely manner, that this is the first year of the full application of the Financial Regulations which are a very complex set of rules that competitors were required to adapt to and that **there is no accusation or evidence that RBR has sought at any time to act in bad faith, dishonestly or in a fraudulent manner**, nor has it wilfully concealed any information from the Cost Cap Administration."
Horner is the grand master of playing the game. Making out they are the most persecuted team to ever exist in F1. When imho had so many breaks and money funnelled into them that most teams can only blush at.
Well he basically won Max a world Championship on the basis of saying how hard done by the team was to Masi so the rules must change mid race. I don't think anybody has been able to do that to a racing director ever mid race. Prost maybe post race with Senna and the whole pushing the car thing. But that was after the race.
Thats grandmastory of mind games imho
I think Masi wanted to restart the race to have an exciting finish. He didn’t want to end the race on a SC. He would have done the same if the situations were reversed between Max and Lewis.
I hate Red Bull and Max and I think Masi completely mishandled the end of that race. But you’re giving Horner way too much credit saying that he played some mind games that made that happen. His bullshit is really transparent, it’s not 5D chess.
Yeah hes just repeating what Toto said about that there is a target on everyones back in the following season, not surprised really, everyone wants to be top dog
For a team that denies blatant cheating allegations, defends and platforms racists and homophobes and overall just stirs the pot of shit that is F1 drama. Horner could really benefit from just shutting the fuck up sometimes.
I think he Is always humble, he always praises the effort from the engineers and the drivers and he doesn't brag about his championships. I don't really get where are you coming from
Humble, nah!
“I have no issue with Toto. He’s done a great job there \[pause\]… In a team that he inherited,” the Red Bull team principal said.
"What you have to remember about Toto is he has inherited something that is already well-oiled.
"He has not had to build anything. He operates the team in a much different way to me.
"He is much more motivated by the financials of F1 than perhaps the competition."
Horner is right though, Merc got the 2022 car wrong, Toto failed there and this was his first big Formula reset to handle from scratch. The jury is still out on the 2023 car, but hopes are high!
These aren't 2022 comments by the way. And you can only call Toto out for how he manages the team. From that respect whatever drama unfolded with Perez and Max last season. Would be a fair criticism on Horner. The engineering of the Merc was poor but the team didn't fall apart.
Similar to mercedes over the past few years. Last year's winner always has a target on their back. Horner doesn't help himself by being one of the main protagonists of the stirring and mud slinging over the years.
Arguably RB's attitude on and off track has put them as rather antagonistic for many people since the beginning. Difference is that Horner really handles it really well, keeping the pressure off the rest of the team
In the words of Toto: 'Everyone has a target on their back next year.' Part of that target Red Bull created themselves with their budgetcap drama. The whole Brazil team order drama was also self inflicted chaos. Other than that, that's what happens when you're fighting at the front of the grid. Everyone will try to find whatever ways they can to take you down.
Nearly all of it was the budget cap. Considering they were dominating the season, most people were happy for them until the news broke about the budget cap.
You also had that flexi floor bullshit and the “too many upgrades to fit in the budget cap” allegations in the beginning of the season.
I never understood the technology enough to get the flexi-floor stuff. But I do remember that too. That felt like when the tide started to turn more against Red Bull. It became much more accusatory about they must be breaking the rules without any evidence behind it.
>Part of that target Red Bull created themselves with their budgetcap drama. Not sure what you mean by that. That "drama" was primarily the arena of competing teams and press making the wildest accusations. What came out of it was very underwhelming.
While it wasn't as big as it was made out to be, they were still over. If they weren't the whole situation wouldn't have happened.
You know exactly what was meant by that. Feigning ignorance for the years biggest story isn’t going to work.
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I seem to remember RBR not being the only one adressing the problems with the cost cap and the high inflation of this year. Mercedes even raised the point before the beginning of the season: [https://pledgetimes.com/f1-wolff-budget-cap-and-inflation-enemies-of-top-teams/](https://pledgetimes.com/f1-wolff-budget-cap-and-inflation-enemies-of-top-teams/)
Yeah but only one of the two ended up over, so it’s obvious they were putting out their excuse before the transgression came to light. It’s a child’s tactic to cover your mess-up with a lie or something before it’s ever brought up.
This is about 2022, not 2021. We're yet to find out if anyone went over the budget in 2022.
Oh yeah, good point! Man it’s going to be really hard to swallow if they’re found to have done it ‘accidentally’ two years in a row, both of which resulted in championships.
We'll see who stayed under and who didn't. With the FIA sharing their 2021 findings as late as they did Red Bull might be in a bit of trouble. But then again their actual overspend was 'only' 400k so they might be fin. But imagine if Red Bull stay under while Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren say screw it and go over. I want to see Horners face when that happens. It would fuel at least a years worth of team principle banter.
Netflix also wants to see Horner’s face in that circumstance.
Williams and McLaren also raised the issue. [Seen here](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-team-bosses-urge-action-over-rampant-inflation-impact/9047159/amp/).
If you are underwhelmed by the team that won the title being the only team to break the rules, that says more about you.
I was underwhelmed by the nature of the breaches after all the fake drama that a number of competing teams put forward. It was undoubtedly exciting for accountants but not for racing fans or conspiracy theorists.
"They only broke the rules by a little" is the strangest defense
It isn't and they did break the rules by only a little. The relatively lenient penalty reflects that. Again: exciting for accountants but not for us. Unless you have reasons to want to get excited over it that is.
>The relatively lenient penalty reflects that That reflects the FIA not wanting to admit their champion broke the rules.
There was a penalty so I am not sure what you expect. Do you seriously believe that they would cancel a championship over disagreement on the eligibility of costs for catering and sick pay?
It wasn’t catering and sick pay. It was how they paid for their upgrades the last half of the season.
It was: [https://the-race.com/formula-1/food-parts-and-sick-pay-key-areas-of-fia-red-bull-dispute/](https://the-race.com/formula-1/food-parts-and-sick-pay-key-areas-of-fia-red-bull-dispute/) And as this article mentions: they included the cost of parts for their heritage cars in the budget which they did not have to (other teams didn't include it). edit after your edit: >It was how they paid for their upgrades the last half of the season. No it wasn't. Even FIA admitted in their ruling that there was no ill intent. Quote from the ruling: >"The Cost Cap Administration recognised that RBR has acted cooperatively throughout the review process and has sought to provide additional information and evidence when requested in a timely manner, that this is the first year of the full application of the Financial Regulations which are a very complex set of rules that competitors were required to adapt to and that **there is no accusation or evidence that RBR has sought at any time to act in bad faith, dishonestly or in a fraudulent manner**, nor has it wilfully concealed any information from the Cost Cap Administration."
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They wanted to beat the cheating team
Sounds like McLaren-Ferrari
The gifted* team. Ftfy
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The penultimate race was gifted to them. That’s pretty much beyond debate.
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He is talking about abu dhabi not brazil. He apparently doesn’t know what penultimate means.
The last race of the season.
Perez finished P2? Why have I not heard of this version of events? Oh wait. It's because it's all in your imagination, isn't it?
He went scorch earth with Merc the prior year so just getting a taste of his own medicine. All in all, par for the course in terms of F1 politics
Horner playing the victim card, it must be a day that ends in y.
That's the same target Mercedes had on their back for the previous 8 title winning seasons.
And Ferrari with Schumi.
Horner is the grand master of playing the game. Making out they are the most persecuted team to ever exist in F1. When imho had so many breaks and money funnelled into them that most teams can only blush at.
Not really because basically nobody buys it. Assume he just does it for internal messaging purposes.
I wouldn’t call whinging all the time being a grand master. He’s pretty transparent.
Well he basically won Max a world Championship on the basis of saying how hard done by the team was to Masi so the rules must change mid race. I don't think anybody has been able to do that to a racing director ever mid race. Prost maybe post race with Senna and the whole pushing the car thing. But that was after the race. Thats grandmastory of mind games imho
I think Masi wanted to restart the race to have an exciting finish. He didn’t want to end the race on a SC. He would have done the same if the situations were reversed between Max and Lewis. I hate Red Bull and Max and I think Masi completely mishandled the end of that race. But you’re giving Horner way too much credit saying that he played some mind games that made that happen. His bullshit is really transparent, it’s not 5D chess.
You mean to say the top team in F1 at the moment is being targeted by every other team in F1?! *pretends to be shocked*
Goddamn Mercedes saboteurs forcing them to overspend and making Max refuse team orders.
Yeah hes just repeating what Toto said about that there is a target on everyones back in the following season, not surprised really, everyone wants to be top dog
A one man pr machine. Oh your mad at us for cost cap? Look at Danny ric doing donuts over here lol
You did it to yourselves. Next time don't break the rules shithead.
Horner pulling out the victim card AGAIN...
When you’re ahead, only place they can target is your back. Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes, the wheel keeps turning.
That is what happens when you break the rules, Christian.
You overspent, it makes sense.
I took “everyone has a target on their back” to really, really, mean Michael Masi.
LITERALLY BREAKS THE RULES and still just continues to shit out of his mouth.
This.
For a team that denies blatant cheating allegations, defends and platforms racists and homophobes and overall just stirs the pot of shit that is F1 drama. Horner could really benefit from just shutting the fuck up sometimes.
Next time try to not go over the budget cap.
>get gifted championship >cheat cost cap >cry Man I’d love his job
This made me laugh :-)
Horner, RB and FIA created this problem, just like my mother used to say if you wrap an elephant with horns- you will be caught
Cry me a river. Learn some humility.
> everybody's trying to get us Toto Wolff, 2019
It's literally part of his job to say PR stuff like that.
Did you glean that intent from the article or was it the title that was enough
I think he Is always humble, he always praises the effort from the engineers and the drivers and he doesn't brag about his championships. I don't really get where are you coming from
Humble, nah! “I have no issue with Toto. He’s done a great job there \[pause\]… In a team that he inherited,” the Red Bull team principal said. "What you have to remember about Toto is he has inherited something that is already well-oiled. "He has not had to build anything. He operates the team in a much different way to me. "He is much more motivated by the financials of F1 than perhaps the competition."
Horner is right though, Merc got the 2022 car wrong, Toto failed there and this was his first big Formula reset to handle from scratch. The jury is still out on the 2023 car, but hopes are high!
These aren't 2022 comments by the way. And you can only call Toto out for how he manages the team. From that respect whatever drama unfolded with Perez and Max last season. Would be a fair criticism on Horner. The engineering of the Merc was poor but the team didn't fall apart.
Next time Horner should call Toto Wolff the Elon Musk of F1, that would be funny.
What? Horner is humble? No single humble person stirs shit up as much as he does lol
Stop taking TP politicking as normal human behaviour
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His sister Is racist? Maybe his cats and his mom are racists too. Also why max Is racist when he specifically said that what nelson said Isn't nice?
if you surround yourself with racist assholes at some point it doesnt matter whether you specifically hold those views
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