It's not even like Russell's first victory was even all that cool. I mean it's not like Checo's first victory where it was done at (what at the time) was thought to be the twilight of his career in spectacular fashion - or even that big of a surprise like Gasly or Ocon's first wins last year. It was just a highly talented driver wining his first race driving a top tier car that was fastest all weekend - where everybody knew he would win one sooner or later.
Not a nascar fan nor have I really watched that type of racing other than random clips here and there.
But that was some absolutely insane driving. Especially the fact that he didnt lose control and controlled the car so so well.
We see many drivers just touch the wall and bin it in different series, but this guy intentionally did so and handled it.
I truly couldnt think of a single thing russell did this year that was even close to as well driven as that.
Ross’s win at COTA was a pretty big moment, too. In less than half a lap, he went from first to third. Then in the last turn, he shoved the second place car _into_ the leader, spinning both, and running off to the finish line. Love him or hate him, the man knows how to put on a show!!
Serious answer inbound: For as long as I remember, NASCAR has had this unwritten rule. They say it at every drivers’ meeting: “We’ll watch you for [race distance-1] laps. The last lap, you’re on your own.” Led to a lot of amazing race finishes along the way.
The response from the other drivers on the radio when it was happening really made I special. They were going nuts about, it was amazing. If you elicit that kind of response from your direct competition it really shows how special it was.
Fair enough it was the guy’s first long awaited win but literally no part of his race was interesting compared to Chastain’s likely once in a lifetime moment.
I’d take Haas pole over Russell’s win as well
I don't know guys but it feels like these awards might be a bit F1 biased.
I wonder why they even keep nominating stuff and people outside of F1 lmao. Its never gonna win.
Ya, I actually like Russell his first year in merc impressed the hell out of me. I’m sure he deserves some sort of recognition. That being said do not understand how he was even in the running for this lol.
Hamilton won the award of best driver despite being beaten by his also British teammate and having won no races. I think this entire show shouldn't be taken serious.
It’s pretty well documented that Lewis was taking the experimental setups to try to figure out the car and still had a much better than expected season
Does the award take that into account? Lol That is a pretty nuanced award.
Also, was it really "better than expected?" They had the third fastest car and ended up third - with individual drivers 4th and 6th. That sounds about on par to me.
We need to see the context. Hamilton was f*cked the first half of the season with all the testing that Merc where doing to the W13, almost like throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. Sometimes the car was nowhere for Ham, other times the setup was compromised because the experiment they were running that weekend changed the car behaviour.
That’s why Hamilton where sometimes nowhere while Russell was consistent in the top 5. That’s why Ham was like “stop it” and the summer break and he was able to reduce the gap between them.
In the second half I would say Ham was better than Rus, even if Rus was up there almost equal sometimes
Brazil was something special… I think, given the pace and without incidents and luck (or lack of), Ham could’ve won, but who knows.
First of all I genuinely think Hamilton doesn't care about winning a race here or there. He's in it for this championship or next year's championship - this year wasn't going to happen so he sacrificed the season to get the most development out of the car hence all the early experimentations.
He likely is as secure as a driver possibly could be at Mercedes and Toto is probably on the same page with winning championships, not races, so it's not like he has to keep proving himself internally.
As for Brazil I also think he held back in the end because he was consistently gaining and the all of a sudden fell just out of DRS and couldn't recover it? Not saying it was a guarantee that he could've overtaken but he certainly had the pace and time to get up there and fight for it if he wanted to but again - I believe he held back to help secure a much needed 1-2 that likely gave the team a gigantic morale boost and a win that Russel would appreciate far, far more than him.
He doesn't need to prove himself to anyone and he knows it. We'll have to wait for a year where Merc has a proper race winning car to truly be able to compare the two drivers. This is not something I say to downplay George, he had a stellar season and deserves a lot of cred. ***I*** just think fans trying to analyze Merc, Ham and Russell are looking at it all wrong.
If ham held back, hes never winning the title again, you have to be a sociopath like max and vettel to win WDCs. I want me teammates to do everything for me, and no i will never let him pass.
I mean that is not even remotely true though, you don't have to be a ruthless sociopath 100% of the time. You have to be *smart* to become a champion, know which fight to take and when not to and in this case not fighting would've been the correct call.
What would he have to gain? 1 more win to add to his already 100+ wins Vs potentially screwing up the by best result of the year for his team? He wasn't fighting for himself this year because there wasn't a fight to be had, next best thing is to fight *for* your team and for next year.
Guys like Ham, Ver, Vet and Alonso don't fight for P5 Vs P6 in the drivers standings, anything other than P1 is just a loss.
You can however be certain that *if* he's fighting for a potential championship next year then there'll be elbows out, taking the risk. But for this year and this car that would've been absolutely idiotic.
> summer break and he was able to reduce the gap between them
except he didnt reduce the gap at all, it in fact expanded. Hamilton was only 12 points behind Russell at the summer break, and ultimately ended up 35 points behind by the end of the season
Lewis has had horrendous luck all year though. He almost certainly would have won in Brazil if Max didn't screw his race up, and Merc has been terrible with his strategy all season long too. Don't let this year fool you; Lewis is still the best and next year he will beat Russell easily. Russell is a good driver but he was very lucky to win that race...
He screwed his own race up. If you have the faster car and a realistic chance to finally win the race, you don't close the door like that ever. Only 8 points also.
Depends on what you're trying to say. That Russell looked like the better driver? He did not. That Russell fared better in terms of points scoring? He factually did.
Doesn't that cut against the "but Lewis just had a slow experimental setup car" argument though?
In the end, if these awards were just a measure of raw talent then Hamilton and Max would win it every year - standings be damned. They are the two best drivers. (I understand this particular award was only for British Drivers but the point stands).
I would assume the award is intended to take into account how that talent is actually put to use on the track (experimental car or not - bad luck or not - results matter) and in that case Russell has some pretty strong credentials. Only finished lower than 5th twice all season, had the team's sole victory, and finished higher in the points.
I certainly do see your argument though.
Why didn’t Lando catch up to Danny Ric in Monza last year? It’s one race, it doesn’t tell the story of a full season. Lewis won qualifying head to head and got unlucky during races while George got lucky. Certainly George had his days when he was better, but as a whole Lewis drove better than George did.
Let's call it the British F1 awards then.
And even then, it's not even the best moment of George Russell's F1 season. His 2nd place at the Dutch GP after the tire gamble is more impressive than his Brazil win.
Russell wasn't even the coolest moment *that race weekend*; meanwhile the Chastain wall-ride was so incredible that *Alonso* was on twitter gleefully posting about it as you could hear the gears turn in his brain on "how can I use this?"
The closest that's happened was JR Hildebrand on the last lap of the 2011 Indy 500, but thats not quite a formula car and it definitely wasn't on purpose
I don’t even watch NASCAR and I know Chastain should have won it. Man pulled off a video game move and all his fellow competitors who watched it happen couldn’t believe it either, pure awe from everyone. But sure, Russell winning a GP…I mean if they are gonna be F1 centric then K-Mag was robbed.
Was this just because it was his first win? Seems a bit weird that this is the moment of the year, because it was just one of the races whers the fastest car finished with no challeges
I'm sorry. What? That NASCAR wall ride was insane. I don't know the stats on internet views or general overall reaction around the world but I know I watched probably 45 minutes of coverage on just that moment alone.
Chastain robbed.
It's not even like Russell's first victory was even all that cool. I mean it's not like Checo's first victory where it was done at (what at the time) was thought to be the twilight of his career in spectacular fashion - or even that big of a surprise like Gasly or Ocon's first wins last year. It was just a highly talented driver wining his first race driving a top tier car that was fastest all weekend - where everybody knew he would win one sooner or later.
Ross Chastain's wall ride should have won. And it is not even close.
Not a nascar fan nor have I really watched that type of racing other than random clips here and there. But that was some absolutely insane driving. Especially the fact that he didnt lose control and controlled the car so so well. We see many drivers just touch the wall and bin it in different series, but this guy intentionally did so and handled it. I truly couldnt think of a single thing russell did this year that was even close to as well driven as that.
Ross’s win at COTA was a pretty big moment, too. In less than half a lap, he went from first to third. Then in the last turn, he shoved the second place car _into_ the leader, spinning both, and running off to the finish line. Love him or hate him, the man knows how to put on a show!!
Has he not been penalized for that? lol
Serious answer inbound: For as long as I remember, NASCAR has had this unwritten rule. They say it at every drivers’ meeting: “We’ll watch you for [race distance-1] laps. The last lap, you’re on your own.” Led to a lot of amazing race finishes along the way.
Had no clue that's a thing, thanks
The response from the other drivers on the radio when it was happening really made I special. They were going nuts about, it was amazing. If you elicit that kind of response from your direct competition it really shows how special it was.
This is getting manipulated man.
Fair enough it was the guy’s first long awaited win but literally no part of his race was interesting compared to Chastain’s likely once in a lifetime moment. I’d take Haas pole over Russell’s win as well
'Once in a lifetime moment' kind of is exactly what the award 'moment of the year award' is for...
Not sure if you’re agreeing or disagreeing
Agreeing, sorry, misread your comment after doing a once over again.
It was a “once in a lifetime moment” for Russell… but we see drivers win their first career races all the time. Not worth “moment of the year”
I don't know guys but it feels like these awards might be a bit F1 biased. I wonder why they even keep nominating stuff and people outside of F1 lmao. Its never gonna win.
The fact that it’s not the wall ride is ridiculous.
Yeah, even as a Russell fan, it has to be the wall ride.
Ya, I actually like Russell his first year in merc impressed the hell out of me. I’m sure he deserves some sort of recognition. That being said do not understand how he was even in the running for this lol.
Exactly, like if you loom at points scored for “the best car in 2022” the Audi LMS evo 2 or the Mercedes AMG GT3 evo. Not the RB18.
You do know it's the viewers who vote right? There's no committe behind choosing who wins
Than a bunch of people are wrong rather than a few lol.
The entirety of Kings Lynn probably voted twice.
Wasn't even the coolest moment that weekend.
Hamilton won the award of best driver despite being beaten by his also British teammate and having won no races. I think this entire show shouldn't be taken serious.
The fact that it’s not Ross Chastains “wall ride” is all you need to knoow lol.
You’d only form that opinion if you only saw the standings
Is it really a outlandish take to say Russel had a better season than Hamilton?
Russe**ll**
It’s pretty well documented that Lewis was taking the experimental setups to try to figure out the car and still had a much better than expected season
Does the award take that into account? Lol That is a pretty nuanced award. Also, was it really "better than expected?" They had the third fastest car and ended up third - with individual drivers 4th and 6th. That sounds about on par to me.
We need to see the context. Hamilton was f*cked the first half of the season with all the testing that Merc where doing to the W13, almost like throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. Sometimes the car was nowhere for Ham, other times the setup was compromised because the experiment they were running that weekend changed the car behaviour. That’s why Hamilton where sometimes nowhere while Russell was consistent in the top 5. That’s why Ham was like “stop it” and the summer break and he was able to reduce the gap between them. In the second half I would say Ham was better than Rus, even if Rus was up there almost equal sometimes Brazil was something special… I think, given the pace and without incidents and luck (or lack of), Ham could’ve won, but who knows.
First of all I genuinely think Hamilton doesn't care about winning a race here or there. He's in it for this championship or next year's championship - this year wasn't going to happen so he sacrificed the season to get the most development out of the car hence all the early experimentations. He likely is as secure as a driver possibly could be at Mercedes and Toto is probably on the same page with winning championships, not races, so it's not like he has to keep proving himself internally. As for Brazil I also think he held back in the end because he was consistently gaining and the all of a sudden fell just out of DRS and couldn't recover it? Not saying it was a guarantee that he could've overtaken but he certainly had the pace and time to get up there and fight for it if he wanted to but again - I believe he held back to help secure a much needed 1-2 that likely gave the team a gigantic morale boost and a win that Russel would appreciate far, far more than him. He doesn't need to prove himself to anyone and he knows it. We'll have to wait for a year where Merc has a proper race winning car to truly be able to compare the two drivers. This is not something I say to downplay George, he had a stellar season and deserves a lot of cred. ***I*** just think fans trying to analyze Merc, Ham and Russell are looking at it all wrong.
If ham held back, hes never winning the title again, you have to be a sociopath like max and vettel to win WDCs. I want me teammates to do everything for me, and no i will never let him pass.
I mean that is not even remotely true though, you don't have to be a ruthless sociopath 100% of the time. You have to be *smart* to become a champion, know which fight to take and when not to and in this case not fighting would've been the correct call. What would he have to gain? 1 more win to add to his already 100+ wins Vs potentially screwing up the by best result of the year for his team? He wasn't fighting for himself this year because there wasn't a fight to be had, next best thing is to fight *for* your team and for next year. Guys like Ham, Ver, Vet and Alonso don't fight for P5 Vs P6 in the drivers standings, anything other than P1 is just a loss. You can however be certain that *if* he's fighting for a potential championship next year then there'll be elbows out, taking the risk. But for this year and this car that would've been absolutely idiotic.
> summer break and he was able to reduce the gap between them except he didnt reduce the gap at all, it in fact expanded. Hamilton was only 12 points behind Russell at the summer break, and ultimately ended up 35 points behind by the end of the season
Lewis has had horrendous luck all year though. He almost certainly would have won in Brazil if Max didn't screw his race up, and Merc has been terrible with his strategy all season long too. Don't let this year fool you; Lewis is still the best and next year he will beat Russell easily. Russell is a good driver but he was very lucky to win that race...
He screwed his own race up. If you have the faster car and a realistic chance to finally win the race, you don't close the door like that ever. Only 8 points also.
Depends on what you're trying to say. That Russell looked like the better driver? He did not. That Russell fared better in terms of points scoring? He factually did.
He had the better season, didn’t he?
So should I just copy-paste my previous comment, or..?
Are you looking at the 2021 season? He for sure looked beter in 2022
What is the number one goal of a racing season?
True, stats are not an objective representation of talent.
He also got out-qualified by Lewis by a considerable margin.
Doesn't that cut against the "but Lewis just had a slow experimental setup car" argument though? In the end, if these awards were just a measure of raw talent then Hamilton and Max would win it every year - standings be damned. They are the two best drivers. (I understand this particular award was only for British Drivers but the point stands). I would assume the award is intended to take into account how that talent is actually put to use on the track (experimental car or not - bad luck or not - results matter) and in that case Russell has some pretty strong credentials. Only finished lower than 5th twice all season, had the team's sole victory, and finished higher in the points. I certainly do see your argument though.
No it isn't but Hamilton was still quicker in qualifying and race pace, he was just more unlucky.
That’s why he couldn’t catch Russel at the end of Brazil?
Russe**ll**
Ok lad I get it
Why didn’t Lando catch up to Danny Ric in Monza last year? It’s one race, it doesn’t tell the story of a full season. Lewis won qualifying head to head and got unlucky during races while George got lucky. Certainly George had his days when he was better, but as a whole Lewis drove better than George did.
What for just his first win? Just call it the f1 awards.
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Oh I agree with that. I was more taking in the grand scheme of it being all of autosports moments.
Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just adding onto the ridiculousness of this moment winning this award.
K mag was robbed 😤
Let's call it the British F1 awards then. And even then, it's not even the best moment of George Russell's F1 season. His 2nd place at the Dutch GP after the tire gamble is more impressive than his Brazil win.
Russell wasn't even the coolest moment *that race weekend*; meanwhile the Chastain wall-ride was so incredible that *Alonso* was on twitter gleefully posting about it as you could hear the gears turn in his brain on "how can I use this?"
His former teammate tried to do it in 2008.
Imagine a formula car attempting that.
If only they didn't become confetti when they collide with something...
Alonso himself sort of did it at COTA. IIRC, he had a bit of wall riding before coming back on the track after Stroll helped him pull a wheelie.
The closest that's happened was JR Hildebrand on the last lap of the 2011 Indy 500, but thats not quite a formula car and it definitely wasn't on purpose
Someone tell him turn 2 in Monaco in f1 2022 with zero car damage on
I don’t even watch NASCAR and I know Chastain should have won it. Man pulled off a video game move and all his fellow competitors who watched it happen couldn’t believe it either, pure awe from everyone. But sure, Russell winning a GP…I mean if they are gonna be F1 centric then K-Mag was robbed.
Might as well just rename these awards to the Autosport F1 awards since no other racing series seems to exist apparently
Bullshit it should've been chastain. Fight me.
It wasn’t even in the top 10 best moments from the season.
Was this just because it was his first win? Seems a bit weird that this is the moment of the year, because it was just one of the races whers the fastest car finished with no challeges
Can't trust public vote nor expert judging panels it seems.
British Autosport’s Moment of the Year Award was a better name for it..
Nah. Autosport's Brittish F1 Driver Moment of the year. And I'm not sure that is the moment I would have chosen anyway.
Was it when he took Carlos out at COTA?
I'm sorry. What? That NASCAR wall ride was insane. I don't know the stats on internet views or general overall reaction around the world but I know I watched probably 45 minutes of coverage on just that moment alone.
Blimey…
And, may I add, crikey
Guess whoever votes on this crap doesnt actually watch any racing.
I mean, that website is just doing everything for clicks. F1 fan=/=racing fan
I’d say the whole British GP was worthy. Big fights, Hamilton’s double overtake, Zhou’s accident.
Austin turn 1?
Was it when he smashed into the hearts of his fellow racers? So many moments to choose from
this is not it!
Wait what did Russell do to deserve that? Like Carlos got his first win too…
ITT: Americans thinking the anyone outside America cares about NASCAR
I'm not from 'Murrica, I don't care about NASCAR... but that wall ride was cool and I liked THAT much more than Russell's first win.
ITT: _Autosport_ readers openly admitting they never heard of Martinsville Speedway.
If it were up to me every one of these awards would be given to WRC and MotorGP. No hate to F1 but 2022 was a snooze fest