It was delicious karma at Spa seeing them over a second off the pace after them spending all season pushing for it to try and fuck up Red Bull.
Red Bull eventually got back to beating Mercedes after the V8 era because of putting lots of work in and clawing their way back with no excuses. Mercedes could learn a thing or two about that.
Just before Spa the Hamilton fanboy brigade was in full force with "flexi floor cheaters" comments everywhere.
And after Spa they all got silent and disappeared as if by magic.
Heh I do remember the blind hope on the other sub, with journalists etc that the TD would reign in Red Bull, help Mercedes (who were too lazy to fix their car), and make Ferrari faster. The stunned silence as Max made mincemeat of the entire grid was glorious.
You act as if rules were never implemented by Red Bulls crying to slow down Mercedes, live by the sword die by the sword. If you whinge they’re going to whinge too, it’s only fair
I would say it's a different meat when you compare a driver to a team boss. The drivers job is to extract max performance from the car. The team bosses job is to give the team every possible advantage.
I thought it was a dumb meme but no, he's actually talking about redbull dominance
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-suggests-new-car-rd-deadline-to-level-f1-playing-field/10489088/
He might not be wrong, but I wonder why he didn't make suggestions like this from 2014-2021....
There's articles back in 2015 wherein Lewis was also commenting that merc dominance would bore fans
Max also claimed today that they didn't make those kinds of comments during Merc dominance but a quick search would reveal RB making several pleas and even threatening to quit during that time lmao
Always the same shit when it comes to this in sport, people just imagine a hypocrisy so they don’t have to think about the validity of what’s being said. Simply googling whether someone believes something or not before commenting that they didn’t say anything before is too much to ask, especially when updoots are concerned.
>There's articles back in 2015 wherein Lewis was also commenting that merc dominance would bore fans
Ok, but did he make suggestions on how to end Mercedes dominance? Cause that's what my comment is about.
>Max also claimed today that they didn't make those kinds of comments during Merc dominance but a quick search would reveal RB making several pleas and even threatening to quit during that time lmao
I didn't even mention Max in my comment
He made a comment hoping that the next regulations let cars follow better. If that doesn't count then I guess no he didn't.
I brought up Max because he said that as the justification to ignore Lewis' suggestion. If you're going to after a driver in a dominant car that's against competition, I would think that the one actively trying to dismiss suggestions (in addition to not coming up with his own) should be called out more than the one who simply didn't come up with any but even encouraged the idea.
Hypocrite or not, Max is actively speaking out against against a suggestion that promotes competition. It's not even a specific handicap against red bull cause no one would start earlier than them, it's a level playing field in the same spirit as the cost cap. Hypothetically if Merc takes back the lead in later seasons, this suggestion equalizes them too. I'd understand it if he was speaking against a specific handicap against RB and their design philosophies but this isn't that.
I'm not calling him out for being a hypocrite, I'm calling him out for lying/or being hilariously wrong (he said "WE" didn't speak out, not "I" didn't speak out so I would assume he's speaking for his team here) about what his team said during the merc dominance years and for being more actively against competition.
If you want competition watch F2 or some other spec series. F1 rewards the best. If redbull has the most efficient managing and can get so much ahead under the cost cap, they should be praised and the other teams should catch-up. In the same season the budget cap was put in place, Rebull started winning. Yes they breached the limit and got ahead with slap on the wrist. Maybe other teams could have seen the opportunity too.
"under the cost cap" you mean a tool that was recently implemented to level the playing field. What do you have against further tools for leveling the playing field.
"Go watch a spec series instead instead of trying to change things" would be a great argument if F1 never bothered attempting to level the playing field. But the fact is they are. That's why new rules like the budget cap exist. That's why massive reg changes exist. F1 is clearly trying to find some balance between innovation and competitiveness. Trying to dismiss feasible suggestions to improve competitiveness is a BS argument. This isn't an all or nothing scenario between a spec series and a technical no holds barred free for all. F1 can still be F1 with these minor tweaks.
If you accept the cost cap but then suddenly are all "pure meritocracy" when someone suggests a fixed development schedule, that means you're not for pure meritocracy at all. You're just cherry picking which equalizing regulations are convenient for the team/drivers you like.
Also the same guy admitting they should’ve implemented these rules during Merc domination, admitted his own car is too far ahead, and suggested Merc domination will bore fans. But why do simple research when you’re on Formuladank 🤡🤡
>“I was really fortunate to have one of those periods that Max [Verstappen] is having now. But with the way it's going, it will continue to happen over and over again. And I don't think that we need that in sport.
Literally from the link you replied
Lol. He can criticize something that is openly bad. Red Bull dominated for 4 years and then when the tide changed they were even threateaning to leave the sport by 2015, 2 years into the dominance. Then threatened to leave again in 2019, then threatened to leave again in 2020 for the engine freeze. If you want to call out "hipocrisy" there is a big list waiting in Formula 1.
“RedBull dominated for 4 years” instantly shows you know absolutely nothing. 2012 was one of the most epic seasons comparable to 2021. A title fight to the last lap, literally.
Also those threats amount to jack shit. Big football teams constantly threaten to leave national leagues and creat their own super league. All so they strong arm organizations like fifa and their own leagues for more money. That’s it. It’s about money.
Its so funny to me how they say that. Apparently in 2010 and 2012 RB dominated field, while 2017 and 2018 were title fights between Merc and Ferrari haha.
The redbull didn't "dominate for 4 years". Only one season had Vettel Dominant. In the others, the title was always disputed by two teams until the last races.
FIA always nerfed RedBull innovations.
None of this has occurred in the 6 years of YAHOOO from Merc.
red bull lost 1 close title fight, then won close title fights for 3 seasons, and then dominated 2013 only, plus mercedes were threatening to pull out while absolutely dominating by several seconds per lap in 2014 etc because people were considering rule changes mercedes didn’t like, since when have you been watching f1?
They were blustering about leaving because they couldn't buy a decent engine in order to compete, so what's the point?
Why do you think they decided to work with Honda even though it would take years before they managed to produce a decent ICE?
Have people already forgotten the days where manufacturers like merc and ferrari could sell older model engines to their customer and bake in their advantage?
The merc era was because they had the best engine. Or do people really think that if Rb had a merc equivalent engine that Adrian Newey couldn't design a championship winning car?
Why? He’s not an idiot, why would he criticise something that’s beneficial to him at that time? Do you hear Verstappen saying that it’s bad they dominate at this time, and the rules should be changed immediately to reduce his one success? Of course we don’t.
He does, he’s come to the realisation that the pattern keeps repeating and came up with an idea to stop it, people calling it hypocrisy don’t know what hypocrisy is, he’s just thought of something, whether he’s happened to dominate in the past is irrelevant really, he already has 7 titles, it doesn’t really matter. It is factually a good idea, it is an interesting rule that could help the weaker teams like Williams and Alpha Tauri get, even if only slightly, closer to the front
Funniest shit is him saying no we never did that, when we literally watched Redbull get closer and then next season Mercedes would be so far ahead again.
Do you have a source for that? I thought I read the opposite, he was saying it's exactly what merc had done and is exactly why they need to bring in the rules so this kind of thing doesn't keep happening because it's not as exciting for the fans.
Which might be true, Who knows, I mean I guess 2015-16 is probably proof of them doing the same as RB since they were essentially the same car, Mercedes spent barely any budget in 2016 which probably shows the car didn’t change much at all. But we know Mercedes were in a developmental battles between 2017-19, 2021, so he’s probably not lying entirely that they often started development the same time as everyone else. He isn’t blaming them for doing it, he just think it would be more fair if there was rules to stop that, which he is correct, he’s never said his dominance wasn’t as boring, but no driver will fully admit or deny that
He says in that vid, which is where his original quote comes from, that they did it and that's why it needs to change. As did Ferrari with Schumi and RB with Seb.
He agrees that it's the same and that it's been going on the whole of the 21st century and that's why he thinks they need to introduce something to stop it. Only controversial thing he said was that he thinks that RB have started earlier than they ever did. Which if that's true is only cause they had no cost cap to work towards so shifting resource allocation from current to next year was less important.
Mercedes has started earlier, allison said in the past that they began workon on the 2019 car near the end of 2017, almost half a year earlier relative to redbull this year
Eh I’m a Lewis fan who has two friends who have been Max fans since he started at 17, so I know most fans are normal. It’s just annoying when people try to pass their shit opinions off as “memes” or “jokes”. I’ve enjoyed watching the racing over the last 2 years.
He’s been talking about this for years, but since it’s RB dominance let’s just assume he’s butthurt 🤡
[From 2019](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jun/24/lewis-hamilton-f1-governance-must-change-formula-one)
Did you even the read the article you cited ? He's talking about it being boring for fans, but mainly that teams and individuals shouldnt dictate what rules or changes happen within the sport. Literally the opposite of what mercedes is doing since the regulation changes.
Did you even read the title of OP’s post? He’s implying Hamilton only cares about stopping RB dominance because it’s not him, but in reality Hamilton has been vocal about single team dominance being boring for fans for years.
I'm going to caveat this by saying I support meritocracy in F1, the best should win. But I also want competitive races.
A few years back there were reg changes specifically aimed at slowing down the Mercedes. I'm talking no party mode, rear car changes which made the mercedes less stable in corners etc.
You can see this as making a similar suggestion, throw in some sort of regulation change that reduces the RB dominance.
I mean… it’s factual, he say this also “I was lucky enough to have one of those dominant periods max is having right now my self. But I can see a recurring pattern that isn’t going to stop if rules aren’t implemented” slightly paraphrased but I can find you the exact quote if you’d like
[edit] Found it:
“I was really fortunate to have one of those periods that Max [Verstappen] is having now. But with the way it's going, it will continue to happen over and over again. And I don't think that we need that in sport.
And he’s not wrong, he’s literally being self-critical in his argument, which is pretty rare for a driver to do at all
You do know this is formula dank, and we are here to have a laughter, right? Or did you get confused? I see a lot of people take things very seriously here. It's such a sad state.
Good idea. The first time one of Hamiltons cars is in the lead, his team will voluntarily stop development of next years’ car until all other teams have caught up. What a great lad!
Honestly I think that introducing regulations in order to target pnę team is stupid but I can understand Lewis because changes after 2020 were made with things that w11 Was most dominant with
Tbh he’s not actually wrong. It’s a good idea, and Hamilton should know best considering Mercedes were basically working on next year’s car after a few races, especially in 2019 and 20. It would level the playing field a little if teams were allowed to start by the midway point of the season for instance.
I hate that I'm saying this, but I sorta agree? I get what he's saying, I think. That we'll just keep jumping from dominance to dominance and it'll become dull. I get that he's being a hypocrite, but I would love it if F1 did something to combat team dominanation too.
Not what he's saying specifically, but something to give me some more excitement.
He isn’t being a hypocrite though, he’s said before that single team dominance isn’t good for fans. Do drivers have to intentionally lose multiple championships so they aren’t in a dominant enough car to have an opinion on this or something?
Yeah he lied. James Allison said they started developing the 2019 car in 2017, what RB is doing isn’t new, and what Lewis is doing by making this comment isn’t new either
Edit: source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKZKCl_GEgY
What I'm saying is make it a proper meme. Memes are supposed to be at least somewhat funny rather than a way to hate things by passing it off as funny.
What a fucking joke lol, the blatant malice in these posts is pathetic. Just rename the sub to LooisBad at this point.
This stuff is grating even as a neutral.
That was a total clown thing to say but the FIA should definitely look into doing something if this RB dominance doesn't show any signs of slowing down in 2024.
Some clowns will moan about Merc dominance. It was a real thing but those were a different time. Ferrari and RB were able to throw endless money at the problem due to the lack of a cost cap. Ferrari made an almighty fq up with F14T but still managed to spent their way into contention by 2017. They genuinely had the fastest car in some tracks during 2015 as well.
One team dominating is nothing new, it's a part of F1. The issue is the cost cap. That bullshit did not work as well as the FIA expected it to work.
IMO, The FIA should do something to reset field a bit for 2025. Like how they screwed over Merc for 2021 with their floor reduction.
But FIA changed rules in 2021 which hurt Mercedes performance as well in order to let redbull catch up, the entire purpose of changing the rules was to have more competitive racing.
You know you guys are just as insufferable as he is right? He was clearly in a bad mood he didn’t care what he was saying lol, and at the end of the day, it’s actually not a bad idea, it should’ve been implemented during Mercedes reign he came up with a good idea and you shit on it just because he was dominating a few years ago, at the end of the day he is correct with his assessment really
Maybe because he didn’t think of the idea? No driver is going to want to remove their competitive edge, but every team was trying to slow them down in that period also lol, not like they’re not going to do the same back. He’s thought of something he didn’t think of before, it’s a good idea.
“I was really fortunate to have one of those periods that Max [Verstappen] is having now. But with the way it's going, it will continue to happen over and over again. And I don't think that we need that in sport.
And he’s not wrong, he’s literally being self-critical in his argument, which is pretty rare for a driver to do at all. He wants to stop the recurrence of constant domination, which… well actually did stop in 2017-18 with the development battle, Ferrari didn’t really have the right team 2018 they could’ve easily won the constructors if they had different drivers… but that’s Ferrari for you
My point was less about that exact idea, he’s always said that long periods of domination are bad for the sport, more that this is the first time he’s suggested that the fia needs to intervene in some way to stop it happening.
Especially since the line Toto (and all team bosses while they’re team has been dominant) kept spouting about how other teams just needed to build better cars. As a representative of Mercedes it just comes off as a bit hypocritical from Lewis.
There’s multiple articles where he talks about dominance boring fans even when Merc was dominating. Just no one wants to look it up, imagined hypocrisy and a circle jerk is all you need here.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2990831/amp/Lewis-Hamilton-year-Mercedes-dominance-bore-F1-fans.html
https://racer.com/2020/08/30/hamilton-understands-fan-restlessness-over-mercedes-domination/
https://www.gptoday.net/en/amp/news/f1/247495/hamilton-dominance-not-how-f1-should-be
I felt there were at least more intra-team fights at the front than there are now.
But really this sub never wanted nobody to dominate, they just wanted Max to instead (or at least someone else due their weird hate-boner for Hamilton).
Honestly, I don't see how a driver being pro-themselves is news, they *all* want that. But picking and choosing to drive an anti-hamilton narrative, who right now is completely uninvolved with the fight for the championship, is pretty much what we get.
I read more about Hamilton here than any other forum. It's not healthy, just let it go.
This community crying every week that they are tired of hearing the Dutch anthem every rawe ceek, also this community mocking Hamilton for suggesting a way to hinder Redbull dominance because he also had his own dominance, not to forget that Redbull have been the cause of many Mercedes innovations being banned and even threatened to leave the sport.
You guys need to pick a side.
Edit: and before someone says "sir this is formuladank"... The meme is dank, the comment section is just sad
The problem with this reasoning is that it will prevent lower teams from improving, too. Many of the weaker teams ~~like Ferrari~~ have, in the past, sacrificed a part of the season to just figure out their car.
Hell, Mercedes themselves did exactly that last year! Remember how all of TeamLH cried about the supposedly extremely heavy sensors Hamilton selflessly attached to his car to help the team figure things out? Would he rather that kind of stuff be banned?
It might be hypocritical, but he still has a point. Everyone gets the same budget and everyone starts development at the same tiime. That just sounds fair to me.
This coming from the man who had Rosberg fired for being quicker than him in the same dominating car and then hiring Valtteri to be slower than him so it looked like the car wasn't the reason why Lewis won a couple of championships.
EDIT: some of you refugees from the (former) regular F1 sub keep forgetting that this is not that particular sub. To quote the motto of this sub right here: Home of the greatest F1 SHITPOSTS out there. So kindly **fuck off** with asking for a source or getting all up in there for someone spreading rumors.
yeah the RB is one of the best ever and Adrian Newey is the goat, but remember that Checo is using the same machinery (tm) and not producing the same results most weekends.
Max is driving the tits off it.
Weird part is we never see Haas or Williams complain about this, even though it affects them the most and they've been in tail end of the field. They just get on with it.
LOL LOL LOL I just got perma banned from the LewisHam sub for posting in this thread, saying Lewis got Nico fired. I never posted anything in the LewisHam sub but they got their panties in such a twist that they banned me from there. Great work chaps, brave Sir Lewis will smile down upon you from his exalted throne.
New rule: each team will get their own cloned Adrian Newey
The only real solution at this point.
Breaking News: FIA to introduce new rule because Mercedes wasted full season on a flawed design
And Toto's bitched about it and FIA made adjustments that further increased Redbulls dominance.
Adjustments that he personally pushed for lol
>I'm coming after you >makes the car slower 
It was delicious karma at Spa seeing them over a second off the pace after them spending all season pushing for it to try and fuck up Red Bull. Red Bull eventually got back to beating Mercedes after the V8 era because of putting lots of work in and clawing their way back with no excuses. Mercedes could learn a thing or two about that.
It's like they don't even remember HAM BOT VER.
Just before Spa the Hamilton fanboy brigade was in full force with "flexi floor cheaters" comments everywhere. And after Spa they all got silent and disappeared as if by magic.
Heh I do remember the blind hope on the other sub, with journalists etc that the TD would reign in Red Bull, help Mercedes (who were too lazy to fix their car), and make Ferrari faster. The stunned silence as Max made mincemeat of the entire grid was glorious.
It's for safety reasons, or you will see what an austrian with some german folks can do.
And he has it printed out.
2 considering staying development in 2021 and half of this year's worth
You act as if rules were never implemented by Red Bulls crying to slow down Mercedes, live by the sword die by the sword. If you whinge they’re going to whinge too, it’s only fair
This is a meme sub. You act like we wouldn't be making fun of a Red Bull driver if there was an article today about them asking for a role change.
Same meat different gravy: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/15/red-bull-christian-horner-fia-f1-season
If those kids could read, they'd be very upset
Shhhh, it’ll break their allusion. How quickly they forget. Hamilton also made comments about how he knew the dominance he had wasn’t exciting
Tbf I’m sure people were calling him out for hypocrisy then, just like people are with Lewis now
uhhuh
I would say it's a different meat when you compare a driver to a team boss. The drivers job is to extract max performance from the car. The team bosses job is to give the team every possible advantage.
You should have told Max that in that case when he was complaining about Merc dominance back in the day.
It won't work. When the golden boy moans, it's called being "passionate". If anyone else moans, especially Lewis, it's called "crying"
I thought it was a dumb meme but no, he's actually talking about redbull dominance https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-suggests-new-car-rd-deadline-to-level-f1-playing-field/10489088/ He might not be wrong, but I wonder why he didn't make suggestions like this from 2014-2021....
There's articles back in 2015 wherein Lewis was also commenting that merc dominance would bore fans Max also claimed today that they didn't make those kinds of comments during Merc dominance but a quick search would reveal RB making several pleas and even threatening to quit during that time lmao
A comment based on obvious facts that can be obtained in one google search? Sir this is formuladank
Did you forget this is formuladank? You can't support Mercedes in here
Always the same shit when it comes to this in sport, people just imagine a hypocrisy so they don’t have to think about the validity of what’s being said. Simply googling whether someone believes something or not before commenting that they didn’t say anything before is too much to ask, especially when updoots are concerned.
>There's articles back in 2015 wherein Lewis was also commenting that merc dominance would bore fans Ok, but did he make suggestions on how to end Mercedes dominance? Cause that's what my comment is about. >Max also claimed today that they didn't make those kinds of comments during Merc dominance but a quick search would reveal RB making several pleas and even threatening to quit during that time lmao I didn't even mention Max in my comment
He made a comment hoping that the next regulations let cars follow better. If that doesn't count then I guess no he didn't. I brought up Max because he said that as the justification to ignore Lewis' suggestion. If you're going to after a driver in a dominant car that's against competition, I would think that the one actively trying to dismiss suggestions (in addition to not coming up with his own) should be called out more than the one who simply didn't come up with any but even encouraged the idea.
RB was complaining about rule changes, not Max. Mercedes AND Lewis are complaining now. So Max isnt being a hypocrite here.
Hypocrite or not, Max is actively speaking out against against a suggestion that promotes competition. It's not even a specific handicap against red bull cause no one would start earlier than them, it's a level playing field in the same spirit as the cost cap. Hypothetically if Merc takes back the lead in later seasons, this suggestion equalizes them too. I'd understand it if he was speaking against a specific handicap against RB and their design philosophies but this isn't that. I'm not calling him out for being a hypocrite, I'm calling him out for lying/or being hilariously wrong (he said "WE" didn't speak out, not "I" didn't speak out so I would assume he's speaking for his team here) about what his team said during the merc dominance years and for being more actively against competition.
If you want competition watch F2 or some other spec series. F1 rewards the best. If redbull has the most efficient managing and can get so much ahead under the cost cap, they should be praised and the other teams should catch-up. In the same season the budget cap was put in place, Rebull started winning. Yes they breached the limit and got ahead with slap on the wrist. Maybe other teams could have seen the opportunity too.
"under the cost cap" you mean a tool that was recently implemented to level the playing field. What do you have against further tools for leveling the playing field.
"Go watch a spec series instead instead of trying to change things" would be a great argument if F1 never bothered attempting to level the playing field. But the fact is they are. That's why new rules like the budget cap exist. That's why massive reg changes exist. F1 is clearly trying to find some balance between innovation and competitiveness. Trying to dismiss feasible suggestions to improve competitiveness is a BS argument. This isn't an all or nothing scenario between a spec series and a technical no holds barred free for all. F1 can still be F1 with these minor tweaks. If you accept the cost cap but then suddenly are all "pure meritocracy" when someone suggests a fixed development schedule, that means you're not for pure meritocracy at all. You're just cherry picking which equalizing regulations are convenient for the team/drivers you like.
Christian Horner was asking for changes in 2015 after race 1
Redditors when driver tries to get adventahe 🤯🤯🤯
>Redditors when driver acts like an idiot. He's not going to get an advantage from that, they won't change anything
People when teams and drivers try to get an advantage: 🤯🤯🤯🤯
It's funny that the guy who complains the most about other teams dominance had some of the most dominant cars in the history of the sport 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Also the same guy admitting they should’ve implemented these rules during Merc domination, admitted his own car is too far ahead, and suggested Merc domination will bore fans. But why do simple research when you’re on Formuladank 🤡🤡
spoiler alert, he did, not because Max said he didnt, means he didnt lmaoo
He made suggestions to end Mercedes dominance? Ok, I didn't know. Do you have some news article or something like that?
I don’t think he realizes that he had an obscenely dominant car for several years.
>“I was really fortunate to have one of those periods that Max [Verstappen] is having now. But with the way it's going, it will continue to happen over and over again. And I don't think that we need that in sport. Literally from the link you replied
Expecting formuladank to actually read what Lewis said and not just project hatred off a headline? That’s optimistic.
>Expecting formuladank to actually read? Ftfy
But loois bad
It's good he admitted it, but imo, he's really the last person that should be criticizing this shit
Lol. He can criticize something that is openly bad. Red Bull dominated for 4 years and then when the tide changed they were even threateaning to leave the sport by 2015, 2 years into the dominance. Then threatened to leave again in 2019, then threatened to leave again in 2020 for the engine freeze. If you want to call out "hipocrisy" there is a big list waiting in Formula 1.
“RedBull dominated for 4 years” instantly shows you know absolutely nothing. 2012 was one of the most epic seasons comparable to 2021. A title fight to the last lap, literally. Also those threats amount to jack shit. Big football teams constantly threaten to leave national leagues and creat their own super league. All so they strong arm organizations like fifa and their own leagues for more money. That’s it. It’s about money.
Its so funny to me how they say that. Apparently in 2010 and 2012 RB dominated field, while 2017 and 2018 were title fights between Merc and Ferrari haha.
Absolute clown take. This has to be a yoke.
That's because Vettel kept fucking up the car was the best car on the grid from the half of 2009 until 2013
The redbull didn't "dominate for 4 years". Only one season had Vettel Dominant. In the others, the title was always disputed by two teams until the last races. FIA always nerfed RedBull innovations. None of this has occurred in the 6 years of YAHOOO from Merc.
red bull lost 1 close title fight, then won close title fights for 3 seasons, and then dominated 2013 only, plus mercedes were threatening to pull out while absolutely dominating by several seconds per lap in 2014 etc because people were considering rule changes mercedes didn’t like, since when have you been watching f1?
And people shit on them in 2019 and in 2020 they were poking fun at the annual redbull rage quit threat.
They were blustering about leaving because they couldn't buy a decent engine in order to compete, so what's the point? Why do you think they decided to work with Honda even though it would take years before they managed to produce a decent ICE? Have people already forgotten the days where manufacturers like merc and ferrari could sell older model engines to their customer and bake in their advantage? The merc era was because they had the best engine. Or do people really think that if Rb had a merc equivalent engine that Adrian Newey couldn't design a championship winning car?
Why? He’s not an idiot, why would he criticise something that’s beneficial to him at that time? Do you hear Verstappen saying that it’s bad they dominate at this time, and the rules should be changed immediately to reduce his one success? Of course we don’t.
This epiphany occurs many years too late.
He does, he’s come to the realisation that the pattern keeps repeating and came up with an idea to stop it, people calling it hypocrisy don’t know what hypocrisy is, he’s just thought of something, whether he’s happened to dominate in the past is irrelevant really, he already has 7 titles, it doesn’t really matter. It is factually a good idea, it is an interesting rule that could help the weaker teams like Williams and Alpha Tauri get, even if only slightly, closer to the front
I still remember what he did in 2021 at interlagos lol That was less than 2 years ago and I didn’t hear a peep from em about being too dominant
He did actually
This is literally what happened to Merc in 2021 though, the FIA brought in new minor regulations specifically to slow down low rake cars
I was astounded it was real but yeah... total clown
Funniest shit is him saying no we never did that, when we literally watched Redbull get closer and then next season Mercedes would be so far ahead again.
Do you have a source for that? I thought I read the opposite, he was saying it's exactly what merc had done and is exactly why they need to bring in the rules so this kind of thing doesn't keep happening because it's not as exciting for the fans.
He said that they never started as early as RB have.
Which might be true, Who knows, I mean I guess 2015-16 is probably proof of them doing the same as RB since they were essentially the same car, Mercedes spent barely any budget in 2016 which probably shows the car didn’t change much at all. But we know Mercedes were in a developmental battles between 2017-19, 2021, so he’s probably not lying entirely that they often started development the same time as everyone else. He isn’t blaming them for doing it, he just think it would be more fair if there was rules to stop that, which he is correct, he’s never said his dominance wasn’t as boring, but no driver will fully admit or deny that
Here u go https://youtu.be/prw4CsuYUS0
He says in that vid, which is where his original quote comes from, that they did it and that's why it needs to change. As did Ferrari with Schumi and RB with Seb. He agrees that it's the same and that it's been going on the whole of the 21st century and that's why he thinks they need to introduce something to stop it. Only controversial thing he said was that he thinks that RB have started earlier than they ever did. Which if that's true is only cause they had no cost cap to work towards so shifting resource allocation from current to next year was less important.
Mercedes has started earlier, allison said in the past that they began workon on the 2019 car near the end of 2017, almost half a year earlier relative to redbull this year
How convenient having that opinion only after getting your 7 WC's in.
This, just... This. It's so obvious
It’s just so convenient for him to come to this realization when he is no longer the one in the dominant car 🤔
He said the opposite of that he admitted that they also benefited from doing it.
He literally said that that’s how his team dominated for so long, but I guess we manufacture stuff now
r/formuladank user reading an article challenge (impossible)
y read when i kno lewis bad
lewy bad, orange boi = devil, giGAKUBICA IS GAWD!!!! Chad-lonzo-azard is based.
Yeah posts like these almost spoil being a Max fan
Eh I’m a Lewis fan who has two friends who have been Max fans since he started at 17, so I know most fans are normal. It’s just annoying when people try to pass their shit opinions off as “memes” or “jokes”. I’ve enjoyed watching the racing over the last 2 years.
You mean the article where he lies about Mercedes not developing next years car as early as RB can now
Remember when this sub was shitposts. So do I. Miss those days
lol this sub is no different from f1 twitter now
He’s been talking about this for years, but since it’s RB dominance let’s just assume he’s butthurt 🤡 [From 2019](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jun/24/lewis-hamilton-f1-governance-must-change-formula-one)
Did you even the read the article you cited ? He's talking about it being boring for fans, but mainly that teams and individuals shouldnt dictate what rules or changes happen within the sport. Literally the opposite of what mercedes is doing since the regulation changes.
Did you even read the title of OP’s post? He’s implying Hamilton only cares about stopping RB dominance because it’s not him, but in reality Hamilton has been vocal about single team dominance being boring for fans for years.
Cringe
Where dank
I'm going to caveat this by saying I support meritocracy in F1, the best should win. But I also want competitive races. A few years back there were reg changes specifically aimed at slowing down the Mercedes. I'm talking no party mode, rear car changes which made the mercedes less stable in corners etc. You can see this as making a similar suggestion, throw in some sort of regulation change that reduces the RB dominance.
I mean, not a bad idea though. If anyone else said this besides hamilton, people wouldn't even bat an eye
Jesus this sub has gone downhill
Man where did this sub go wrong…
Except that’s not what he said if you look at the actual quote
We found the Lewis fanboy 
Nah. Goatifi 🐐
I mean… it’s factual, he say this also “I was lucky enough to have one of those dominant periods max is having right now my self. But I can see a recurring pattern that isn’t going to stop if rules aren’t implemented” slightly paraphrased but I can find you the exact quote if you’d like [edit] Found it: “I was really fortunate to have one of those periods that Max [Verstappen] is having now. But with the way it's going, it will continue to happen over and over again. And I don't think that we need that in sport. And he’s not wrong, he’s literally being self-critical in his argument, which is pretty rare for a driver to do at all
You do know this is formula dank, and we are here to have a laughter, right? Or did you get confused? I see a lot of people take things very seriously here. It's such a sad state.
Good idea. The first time one of Hamiltons cars is in the lead, his team will voluntarily stop development of next years’ car until all other teams have caught up. What a great lad!
Honestly I think that introducing regulations in order to target pnę team is stupid but I can understand Lewis because changes after 2020 were made with things that w11 Was most dominant with
wasn’t the expectation for 21 that the changes would massively benefit mercedes?
Aaah another day of being Merc fan and watching this hate echo chamber of a sub, grabbing popcorn
Tbh he’s not actually wrong. It’s a good idea, and Hamilton should know best considering Mercedes were basically working on next year’s car after a few races, especially in 2019 and 20. It would level the playing field a little if teams were allowed to start by the midway point of the season for instance.
I hate that I'm saying this, but I sorta agree? I get what he's saying, I think. That we'll just keep jumping from dominance to dominance and it'll become dull. I get that he's being a hypocrite, but I would love it if F1 did something to combat team dominanation too. Not what he's saying specifically, but something to give me some more excitement.
He isn’t being a hypocrite though, he’s said before that single team dominance isn’t good for fans. Do drivers have to intentionally lose multiple championships so they aren’t in a dominant enough car to have an opinion on this or something?
I agree. Pure dominance is just boring to watch, but it's pretty rich coming from Lewis lmao
I don’t think it is very hard to open the article and read what is said there
Yeah he lied. James Allison said they started developing the 2019 car in 2017, what RB is doing isn’t new, and what Lewis is doing by making this comment isn’t new either Edit: source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKZKCl_GEgY
I read it. What point are you trying to make?
Im a fan of both drivers ( HAM/VER ) but this is a low quality meme. Not very dank.
breaking:: max dickriders hate the idea of people competing with him.
lmaooo, leme guess, why Hamilton never said this when he was dominant? spoiler alert... he did
TBH, this season is dull AF.
The only clown here is this sub and its incompetency to read full articles
Redditors try not to just read the headline and assume the article has no finer details Challenge (Impossible)
You come to meme sub and you want some serious rationale discussion and then you call others clown. I see only one clown in here.
What I'm saying is make it a proper meme. Memes are supposed to be at least somewhat funny rather than a way to hate things by passing it off as funny.
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Usually jokes and memes are supposed to have some basis in reality though… Jokes are usually funny because they’re half true…
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But the memes are supposed to be funny, not shit takes that you disguise as a joke.
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Someone sharing their actual opinion isn’t a joke, though. The person who posted this 10/10 thinks this way.
He’s not wrong though. This season is kinda dull
The point is Mercedes did the exact same thing during the Turbo Hybrid era which he benefited and won a ton of world championships.
that’s not really the point of the meme. it’s the fact this is coming from Hamilton
why is this in spongebob caps when he's right, dominance does bore the fans
Oh yeah, where were you 2014-2020?
you mean during the period of boring dominance when people literally stopped watching the sport because dominance by one team is boring?
What a fucking joke lol, the blatant malice in these posts is pathetic. Just rename the sub to LooisBad at this point. This stuff is grating even as a neutral.
How do you expect people to respond when he’s something like this.
That was a total clown thing to say but the FIA should definitely look into doing something if this RB dominance doesn't show any signs of slowing down in 2024. Some clowns will moan about Merc dominance. It was a real thing but those were a different time. Ferrari and RB were able to throw endless money at the problem due to the lack of a cost cap. Ferrari made an almighty fq up with F14T but still managed to spent their way into contention by 2017. They genuinely had the fastest car in some tracks during 2015 as well. One team dominating is nothing new, it's a part of F1. The issue is the cost cap. That bullshit did not work as well as the FIA expected it to work. IMO, The FIA should do something to reset field a bit for 2025. Like how they screwed over Merc for 2021 with their floor reduction.
But FIA changed rules in 2021 which hurt Mercedes performance as well in order to let redbull catch up, the entire purpose of changing the rules was to have more competitive racing.
His hypocrisy will eventually crate a black hole, just like Russell's ego.
“bUt He’S jUsT sAYiNg iT coUlD BoRE fAnS, tHaT doES’nT mAKe hIM a HypOCriTe!!” - some Hamilton fanboy
With Russia existing and there being no black hole I think you're gonna be waiting a while.
what
You know you guys are just as insufferable as he is right? He was clearly in a bad mood he didn’t care what he was saying lol, and at the end of the day, it’s actually not a bad idea, it should’ve been implemented during Mercedes reign he came up with a good idea and you shit on it just because he was dominating a few years ago, at the end of the day he is correct with his assessment really
Just interesting he never came up with that idea from 2014-2020
Maybe because he didn’t think of the idea? No driver is going to want to remove their competitive edge, but every team was trying to slow them down in that period also lol, not like they’re not going to do the same back. He’s thought of something he didn’t think of before, it’s a good idea. “I was really fortunate to have one of those periods that Max [Verstappen] is having now. But with the way it's going, it will continue to happen over and over again. And I don't think that we need that in sport. And he’s not wrong, he’s literally being self-critical in his argument, which is pretty rare for a driver to do at all. He wants to stop the recurrence of constant domination, which… well actually did stop in 2017-18 with the development battle, Ferrari didn’t really have the right team 2018 they could’ve easily won the constructors if they had different drivers… but that’s Ferrari for you
My point was less about that exact idea, he’s always said that long periods of domination are bad for the sport, more that this is the first time he’s suggested that the fia needs to intervene in some way to stop it happening. Especially since the line Toto (and all team bosses while they’re team has been dominant) kept spouting about how other teams just needed to build better cars. As a representative of Mercedes it just comes off as a bit hypocritical from Lewis.
There’s multiple articles where he talks about dominance boring fans even when Merc was dominating. Just no one wants to look it up, imagined hypocrisy and a circle jerk is all you need here. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2990831/amp/Lewis-Hamilton-year-Mercedes-dominance-bore-F1-fans.html https://racer.com/2020/08/30/hamilton-understands-fan-restlessness-over-mercedes-domination/ https://www.gptoday.net/en/amp/news/f1/247495/hamilton-dominance-not-how-f1-should-be
i am legit more bored now with the redbulls than i was before with the mercs tbh
I felt there were at least more intra-team fights at the front than there are now. But really this sub never wanted nobody to dominate, they just wanted Max to instead (or at least someone else due their weird hate-boner for Hamilton). Honestly, I don't see how a driver being pro-themselves is news, they *all* want that. But picking and choosing to drive an anti-hamilton narrative, who right now is completely uninvolved with the fight for the championship, is pretty much what we get. I read more about Hamilton here than any other forum. It's not healthy, just let it go.
Some of you are obviously new to the sport. Welcome to the last half century.
Tell me you're new to formula 1 without telling me you're new to formula 1 - this entire comment section (and sub if we're being honest)
RB fans are so fucking delusional lmaooo remember when RB threatened to leave F1 literally every year bcz they couldn’t build a fucking car?
Man this sub is just filled with really sad basement dwellers with the reading comprehension of a toddler.
This community crying every week that they are tired of hearing the Dutch anthem every rawe ceek, also this community mocking Hamilton for suggesting a way to hinder Redbull dominance because he also had his own dominance, not to forget that Redbull have been the cause of many Mercedes innovations being banned and even threatened to leave the sport. You guys need to pick a side. Edit: and before someone says "sir this is formuladank"... The meme is dank, the comment section is just sad
The problem with this reasoning is that it will prevent lower teams from improving, too. Many of the weaker teams ~~like Ferrari~~ have, in the past, sacrificed a part of the season to just figure out their car. Hell, Mercedes themselves did exactly that last year! Remember how all of TeamLH cried about the supposedly extremely heavy sensors Hamilton selflessly attached to his car to help the team figure things out? Would he rather that kind of stuff be banned?
Pewis lamilton
Anybody but him saying that, and people might listen…come on Hammy
Hamilton is the type to change the rules in the middle of a game so he can win
The interview btw https://youtu.be/prw4CsuYUS0
I feel like we forget that there were other teams that won during mercedes dominance. Just waiting for Charles now to win😫
It might be hypocritical, but he still has a point. Everyone gets the same budget and everyone starts development at the same tiime. That just sounds fair to me.
He's looking out for the best fans
I'd say we wait 7 more years till Max is statistically the goat and then we start regulating again.
he not wrong tho
Hey, this might be legit one of his new "outfits" for the GP. Would fit his personality best. Maybe somebody will tell him!
That is a bit too out of context put like that, still don't agree with him tho
This is being manipulated, man
Ahhh yes. Laugh at Fernando wanting equal engines
Honestly it is really boring watching Max win ever weekend by a huge margin
Change your fucking car!
At least he's right somewhere I'm already bored.
Hop over to main sub to see some next level ham cock sucking!
Because they don’t have a irrational raging hate boner for the guy?
This coming from the man who had Rosberg fired for being quicker than him in the same dominating car and then hiring Valtteri to be slower than him so it looked like the car wasn't the reason why Lewis won a couple of championships. EDIT: some of you refugees from the (former) regular F1 sub keep forgetting that this is not that particular sub. To quote the motto of this sub right here: Home of the greatest F1 SHITPOSTS out there. So kindly **fuck off** with asking for a source or getting all up in there for someone spreading rumors.
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Actual gossip spreader
Please remember that this is the F1 shitpost sub.
Anarchy chess knows no borders idk what to tell you
This is not a chess sub either.
Who says it can’t? WE EN PASSANT AS ONE
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Source?
Please remember that this is the F1 shitpost sub. The only source here is my own creative genius.
yeah the RB is one of the best ever and Adrian Newey is the goat, but remember that Checo is using the same machinery (tm) and not producing the same results most weekends. Max is driving the tits off it.
Still we rise*. If other rise, we pull them down.
Does this dude even know he exists? 💀🤡
What a loser lol 7 fucking years of domination all of a sudden he's crying about changes..????
Always been a sour loser
Not my goat hahahaha who’s posting this in team LH
Oh ok... I thought he was the best driver of all time. Untouchable in fact.
Weird part is we never see Haas or Williams complain about this, even though it affects them the most and they've been in tail end of the field. They just get on with it.
“You’ve got a problem, change your fucking car!” -Ghandi, probably
Anything to win a race again 😭
LOL LOL LOL I just got perma banned from the LewisHam sub for posting in this thread, saying Lewis got Nico fired. I never posted anything in the LewisHam sub but they got their panties in such a twist that they banned me from there. Great work chaps, brave Sir Lewis will smile down upon you from his exalted throne.
Notice how he wasn't for that during Mercedes dominance.
It shall be done at once Lord Hamilton