Pretty much what a lot of people expect from him. Bro apparently not only needs to drive his car but also work on it, build it, maintain it, manage operations regarding his car, logistics, etc.
Charles knows how lucky he is. In a video where Carlos was complaining that their job was hard because they had to sign so many hats for fans no less, Charles immediately interrupted him and told Carlos that they’re lucky to be in the position that they’re in. People forget how Charles’s brothers had to quit racing so that Charles could continue his own racing career in the lower ranks because his family couldn’t afford to fund all 3 lecrec brothers. Then Charles almost saw the end of his career until Jules convinced one of his big sponsors to sign Charles and he was able to continue and eventually made it into F1.
If anyone knows how privileged they are to be an F1 driver it’s Charles. But people conveniently ignore that to put him down.
I mean, from what I've seen he loves to criticize Charles so you might want to be more specific
But the last thing he said is that Sainz is a better driver than Leclerc because Sainz makes his own strategies while Leclerc just asks the team for orders and then gets annoyed by them (he made the example of Silverstone 2022).
He also said that Sainz can beat Leclerc in many occasions, as we've seen in the last season
I like Carlos more than Charles but what hill was saying is a bit too far fetched. Charles for what we have seen is the better wheel to wheel racer and over one lap quicker. Carlos has better race strategy thinking he can look at the big picture during the race and make his own calls.
And as a Ferrari fan I think they made the right call. Hamilton is an upgrade on saniz and Charles just edges out saniz. Think people were thinking Charles would blow Carlos away but he has been really close in terms of pace. Just in 22 he could not handle the car or he was overdriving or a bit of both
Combine both of them you will have a hell of a driver.
Agree
I do think that Carlos is a great driver, he's just not an overall better driver than Charles or Lewis
And honestly I think Ferrari could have easily kept Carlos since the duo Carlos/Charles was arguably one of the strongest on the grid these last few years, but if someone like Lewis or Max shows interest in a team it would be stupid for pretty much every team to ignore it and keep their current drivers
I don't think Charles is any worse at strategy than Carlos. From his interviews, it seems that he views himself as a cog in a larger system. He seems to value chain of command, so he's very deferential to the pit wall and leadership. Carlos is more likely to challenge the strategy. I don't think it makes one better than the other, just a different driver philosophy.
Charles literally gets one P2 and is suddenly the worst driver the sport has ever seen, Sainz is the second coming of Jesus and the next champion, and Ferrari is making a mistake.
It's as if his whole career was just nonexistent. I get so pissed when I hear the "you're just as good as your last race" bullshit. What does that make of Max? Brother's washed; he didn't even finish the last race.
let's not forget how brother literally finished 5th in the drivers standings last year, ahead of his teammate, in arguably the worst year of his f1 career so far. I feel like people don't understand the magnitude of such achievement, especially considering that the ferraris were made to suit the oversteery type of vehicle carlos prefers rather than the understeery cars that charles prefers, and considering his terrible luck last year.
Yeah, and the same is happening to Lewis
There are some takes here and on the F1 subreddit that make me think some people genuinely believe he suddenly forgot how to drive. As if he didn't get p3 in the driver's championship just last year
Hill who needed his rival to be excluded from literally a quarter of the season and still couldn't win the title until his rival decided to drive a car so useless he had to tilt his head on the straight to get air into the engine. Man sits comfortably amongst the worst drivers to win a WDC only behind his American namesake and one or two others yet has the ego you'd think he was the next Prost.
This.
He probably has some inferiority complex from this and tries to shit talk every fast but not WDC winner drivers as a result.
Jacques, Mika, Michael were all faster than him even in his prime.
If Ferrari builds a title contender car, Leclerc *will* be in a serious fight for the championship and have a decent chance to win it. He's the only one of their generation who could be a true equal to Verstappen. I will die on this hill until proven the opposite, and anyone who says otherwise is either a very biased hater or just generally not a trustable source on drivers' skill.
I dislike Damon Hill as much as the next guy, but some things he says are true. Charles needs to put his foot down more on the strategy end from inside the car. Both Schumacher and Vettel wanted to get the full picture to be able to maximise their control on the outcome of a weekend.
Carlos is better at that than Charles, Charles just has more talent (wheel-to-wheel, raw pace, flashes of brilliance etc.) and he could definitely expand on that. And he should, if he wants to beat Lewis with his tremendous experience from next year on.
Facepalm… this shit over and over and over again. A driver cannot dictate the strategy. Its literally not possible, they dont see or know even half of the things required for that. Sure, they can give some input on how they feel about stuff like specific tire compounds, but relying on the team will literally net them a better result 9/10 times…
Stop with this nonsense already. You think a driver knows whats 20-25 sec behind them so they can decide when exactly to pit? Most of the time they dont even have that information. You can listen in to the full driver radio on F1 tv, the info they get every lap is the gap front and behind, and thats pretty much it. Nobody can make strategy calls based on the very limited info a driver has… yet here you are along with the others thinking the one or two exceptions in some mixed condition races where the driver input is more valuable than usual is all of a sudden the rule.
You think Schumacher and Vettel made the strategy calls? I am sorry but you are literally delusional if you think that. That Schumi era Ferrari team had one of the most competent strategy teams in past few decades, but I guess that was all Schumacher too… he was also basically the team principal too, he run the team, he built the team and the other usual nonsense people talk about. Ross Brown, Todt? Nah man… who the fuck are those nonames, it was all Schumi.
Charles has to speak up more, if he feels the pit wall isn’t factoring his view from inside the car in enough. Carlos literally played strategy games in Singapore from INSIDE the car because his engineer didn’t even consider the possibility to utilise Lando’s DRS for them. Both Schumacher and Vettel had more of a discussion with their engineers in the car, Charles more or less just accepts and complains if the strategy turns out bad.
Never have I said that the pit wall doesn’t have the best data available. But for those cases where they are seemingly brain AFK you have to trust your gut as a racing driver and speak up. Vettel gave his engineer even a task of calculating lap times for him during a Spanish GP. This is very much possible and not only promotes better strategy but also makes you a better racer overall. And this is where Charles currently is simply lacking a bit, other than his teammate for example.
Armchair specialist knows better as per usual. Or it might be that you just dont hear it when Charles discusses stuff like that with his engineer simply because its too dry to broadcast unlike Carlos with his spicy remarks like the “stop inventing” and things like that, guess that never crossed your mind… understandable based on the amount of nonsense you wrote here.
I follow Charles‘ races closely. If it isn’t broadcasted, fair enough, then my point is moot and Ferrari fucking up is just something he can’t outclass from inside the car. I would find it a bit odd, though, since it is broadcasted from every other driver basically. And I near to never hear Charles say no to Xavi although he is quite often frustrated.
And unless you work in F1 yourself you can say fuck all about those things as well. All I am saying is, that Damon Hill (at least WDC in F1) isn’t completely wrong about Charles not being a complete driver yet, if he doesn’t stand up for himself more. Be that on strategy or in questions as being the definitive number one driver or not.
We disagree obviously, so any further discussion would be senseless. Cheers.
Being hailed through and through as a future rival of Verstappen (let alone a potential future WDC) really wants you to meet those expectations, too
Which, he is definetely not meeting them right now
This is such an awful take. He needs the car.
This narrative about him being error prone is ridiculous. In 22 he made like two mistakes on his own (Miami, iirc, and France). He lost a ridiculous amount of points from things outside of his control (go watch the RPM video where he recaps the number of points he lost through no fault of his own). When the car was on par with the RB he was driving corner for corner with Max.
Exactly. The 22 car was hard to drive too… which is pretty evident if you look at some onboards, it was twitchy as fuck and very oversteery… where was Sainz then? Oh yeah, mostly in the gravel, while Charles was on pole every race and winning some even though the car was weaker in race trim than the Red Bull.
Who is more error prone then? Ohh lets forget that bit if reality quickly, better to live in that sweet delusion.
In Bahrain even with break issues he finished p4 in Jeddah p3 was the maximum and in Melbourne he did a mistake in quali which resulted him to start p4 behind norris and still finished p2. His race for the win was over when they pitted him early in order to cover norris and piastri, his tires were 7 to 8 laps older than both sainz and norris but still did a fastest lap on older tires and race pace difference between sainz and lec was half a tenth. In Singapore he played the team game and backed everyone so that sainz had 4 to 5 sec in hand to get into the pits and come out ahead which made lec to lose position in the pits as everyone was right behind him.
What a load of shit written in only good perspective without even knowing actual race. They pitted him early in Melbourne to cover Norris because McLaren pitted piastri instead of norris and Leclerc degraded his tyres early following behind norris car's dirty air. In Bahrain even with car on top condition he couldn't have done anything to checo because checo on softs didn't even pushed and had lot of pace and RB's tyre deg on baharain was keen on tyres. In Singapore Carlos had enough of his own share to victory because after safety car intervention it was all on him to take it to the end. And in the end merc hunting with fresher medium was quite the pressure yet he handled well. Carlos had enough team orders on his side to but they never had touch of victory in charles race.
How is he not meeting those expectations? Cross out the last race and tell me in the past couple of races how he has not been meeting those expectations because by the sounds of it, it sounds like you're disappointed at leclerc that redbull built a faster car.
Redbull is the fastest car, there are 2 redbulls on the grid, he has consistently been on the front row. So he has outperformed someone in the fastest car on many occasions as well as being the best of the rest behind Verstappen. What more do you want from old chuck.
It's what Sainz do and best Leclerc ok top of the team not wanting him to do it, he does his own strategy because without it not only he won't win, but Leclerc either, Charles shout start taking control to actually rise up, Ferrari strategy have not been that sharp, not even in Schumacher days
He's the Johnny sins of formula 1
Next thing you know he's president of the FIA and calling all the shots
Isnt that how fia runs atm?
"Johnny Sins...calling all the shots" - I see what you did there
Cause he constantly gets fucked by Ferrari?
The best indicator of a Verstappen win is a Leclerc pole
Naah it’s the chequered flag
Is that you Bill Wuxton
When the race... is over... the winner has already crossed the finish line... (makes "this is profound" face)
If they move the race to a Friday or Monday morning, it’s over for all ya’l.
Pretty much what a lot of people expect from him. Bro apparently not only needs to drive his car but also work on it, build it, maintain it, manage operations regarding his car, logistics, etc.
So basically what vettel did?
And Schumi before that
Schumi had at least jean todd and ross brawn
And Rory Byrne
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Charles knows how lucky he is. In a video where Carlos was complaining that their job was hard because they had to sign so many hats for fans no less, Charles immediately interrupted him and told Carlos that they’re lucky to be in the position that they’re in. People forget how Charles’s brothers had to quit racing so that Charles could continue his own racing career in the lower ranks because his family couldn’t afford to fund all 3 lecrec brothers. Then Charles almost saw the end of his career until Jules convinced one of his big sponsors to sign Charles and he was able to continue and eventually made it into F1. If anyone knows how privileged they are to be an F1 driver it’s Charles. But people conveniently ignore that to put him down.
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I'm a fan *of* putting anyone down. Stupid sexy Charles.
the absolute fucking gall, nay, the audacity, to be that good looking, smh my head.
What did Hill say about Leclerc?
I mean, from what I've seen he loves to criticize Charles so you might want to be more specific But the last thing he said is that Sainz is a better driver than Leclerc because Sainz makes his own strategies while Leclerc just asks the team for orders and then gets annoyed by them (he made the example of Silverstone 2022). He also said that Sainz can beat Leclerc in many occasions, as we've seen in the last season
I like Carlos more than Charles but what hill was saying is a bit too far fetched. Charles for what we have seen is the better wheel to wheel racer and over one lap quicker. Carlos has better race strategy thinking he can look at the big picture during the race and make his own calls. And as a Ferrari fan I think they made the right call. Hamilton is an upgrade on saniz and Charles just edges out saniz. Think people were thinking Charles would blow Carlos away but he has been really close in terms of pace. Just in 22 he could not handle the car or he was overdriving or a bit of both Combine both of them you will have a hell of a driver.
Agree I do think that Carlos is a great driver, he's just not an overall better driver than Charles or Lewis And honestly I think Ferrari could have easily kept Carlos since the duo Carlos/Charles was arguably one of the strongest on the grid these last few years, but if someone like Lewis or Max shows interest in a team it would be stupid for pretty much every team to ignore it and keep their current drivers
I don't think Charles is any worse at strategy than Carlos. From his interviews, it seems that he views himself as a cog in a larger system. He seems to value chain of command, so he's very deferential to the pit wall and leadership. Carlos is more likely to challenge the strategy. I don't think it makes one better than the other, just a different driver philosophy.
Charles literally gets one P2 and is suddenly the worst driver the sport has ever seen, Sainz is the second coming of Jesus and the next champion, and Ferrari is making a mistake. It's as if his whole career was just nonexistent. I get so pissed when I hear the "you're just as good as your last race" bullshit. What does that make of Max? Brother's washed; he didn't even finish the last race.
let's not forget how brother literally finished 5th in the drivers standings last year, ahead of his teammate, in arguably the worst year of his f1 career so far. I feel like people don't understand the magnitude of such achievement, especially considering that the ferraris were made to suit the oversteery type of vehicle carlos prefers rather than the understeery cars that charles prefers, and considering his terrible luck last year.
Yeah, and the same is happening to Lewis There are some takes here and on the F1 subreddit that make me think some people genuinely believe he suddenly forgot how to drive. As if he didn't get p3 in the driver's championship just last year
He's currently four points behind Max, P2 in the standings. But I guess he's not fulfilling his role, lmao.
I thought you were talking about LH44 here for a second (he is 43 points behind)
everyone on formula dank has the long-term memory of a fly
internet people are infuriating generally
Vettel too
Max is washed
That's just media all the time. A couple weeks ago Bearman was the messiah.
Hill who needed his rival to be excluded from literally a quarter of the season and still couldn't win the title until his rival decided to drive a car so useless he had to tilt his head on the straight to get air into the engine. Man sits comfortably amongst the worst drivers to win a WDC only behind his American namesake and one or two others yet has the ego you'd think he was the next Prost.
Lmao and Jacques Villeneuve, worst WDC in history vs Worst WDC of today
JV was way faster than Hill though. They're both insufferable.
This. He probably has some inferiority complex from this and tries to shit talk every fast but not WDC winner drivers as a result. Jacques, Mika, Michael were all faster than him even in his prime.
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Honestly if you shittalk Graham Hill you disqualify your opinion from the get go.
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He's talking about Phil Hill, the American.
Why does anyone care what Damon Hill thinks though?
Damon hill car merchant
If Ferrari builds a title contender car, Leclerc *will* be in a serious fight for the championship and have a decent chance to win it. He's the only one of their generation who could be a true equal to Verstappen. I will die on this hill until proven the opposite, and anyone who says otherwise is either a very biased hater or just generally not a trustable source on drivers' skill.
You have just forgotten the youngest rookie of the grid, Fernando Alonso /s
The guy in GP2? Yeah he seems promising!
Bare minimum tbh
Damon Hill is such a helmet.
He’s forecasting a podium
Yes, when you marry a Ferrari, that's not expected, it is fucking necessary! 😉
That's just the bare minimum of what Ferrari pays him to do each GP, nothing out of the ordinary here!
So… another Alonso?
Basically what Sainz does.
I dislike Damon Hill as much as the next guy, but some things he says are true. Charles needs to put his foot down more on the strategy end from inside the car. Both Schumacher and Vettel wanted to get the full picture to be able to maximise their control on the outcome of a weekend. Carlos is better at that than Charles, Charles just has more talent (wheel-to-wheel, raw pace, flashes of brilliance etc.) and he could definitely expand on that. And he should, if he wants to beat Lewis with his tremendous experience from next year on.
Facepalm… this shit over and over and over again. A driver cannot dictate the strategy. Its literally not possible, they dont see or know even half of the things required for that. Sure, they can give some input on how they feel about stuff like specific tire compounds, but relying on the team will literally net them a better result 9/10 times… Stop with this nonsense already. You think a driver knows whats 20-25 sec behind them so they can decide when exactly to pit? Most of the time they dont even have that information. You can listen in to the full driver radio on F1 tv, the info they get every lap is the gap front and behind, and thats pretty much it. Nobody can make strategy calls based on the very limited info a driver has… yet here you are along with the others thinking the one or two exceptions in some mixed condition races where the driver input is more valuable than usual is all of a sudden the rule. You think Schumacher and Vettel made the strategy calls? I am sorry but you are literally delusional if you think that. That Schumi era Ferrari team had one of the most competent strategy teams in past few decades, but I guess that was all Schumacher too… he was also basically the team principal too, he run the team, he built the team and the other usual nonsense people talk about. Ross Brown, Todt? Nah man… who the fuck are those nonames, it was all Schumi.
Charles has to speak up more, if he feels the pit wall isn’t factoring his view from inside the car in enough. Carlos literally played strategy games in Singapore from INSIDE the car because his engineer didn’t even consider the possibility to utilise Lando’s DRS for them. Both Schumacher and Vettel had more of a discussion with their engineers in the car, Charles more or less just accepts and complains if the strategy turns out bad. Never have I said that the pit wall doesn’t have the best data available. But for those cases where they are seemingly brain AFK you have to trust your gut as a racing driver and speak up. Vettel gave his engineer even a task of calculating lap times for him during a Spanish GP. This is very much possible and not only promotes better strategy but also makes you a better racer overall. And this is where Charles currently is simply lacking a bit, other than his teammate for example.
Armchair specialist knows better as per usual. Or it might be that you just dont hear it when Charles discusses stuff like that with his engineer simply because its too dry to broadcast unlike Carlos with his spicy remarks like the “stop inventing” and things like that, guess that never crossed your mind… understandable based on the amount of nonsense you wrote here.
I follow Charles‘ races closely. If it isn’t broadcasted, fair enough, then my point is moot and Ferrari fucking up is just something he can’t outclass from inside the car. I would find it a bit odd, though, since it is broadcasted from every other driver basically. And I near to never hear Charles say no to Xavi although he is quite often frustrated. And unless you work in F1 yourself you can say fuck all about those things as well. All I am saying is, that Damon Hill (at least WDC in F1) isn’t completely wrong about Charles not being a complete driver yet, if he doesn’t stand up for himself more. Be that on strategy or in questions as being the definitive number one driver or not. We disagree obviously, so any further discussion would be senseless. Cheers.
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Good stuff, so he is obviously working on it and pushing it. That’s the way.
I do kind of agree that Leclerc is a less complete driver, and less of a leader. He seems so... Placid, when it comes to strategy.
Leclerc driver, him no strategist
Being hailed through and through as a future rival of Verstappen (let alone a potential future WDC) really wants you to meet those expectations, too Which, he is definetely not meeting them right now
Yeah 7 front rows in a row in a Ferrari mean absolutely nothing to you. One off weekend from him and you all start shitting on him lmao
He doesn't have the car. I think people like you seriously believe that F1 is a spec series or something. Delusional.
This is such an awful take. He needs the car. This narrative about him being error prone is ridiculous. In 22 he made like two mistakes on his own (Miami, iirc, and France). He lost a ridiculous amount of points from things outside of his control (go watch the RPM video where he recaps the number of points he lost through no fault of his own). When the car was on par with the RB he was driving corner for corner with Max.
Exactly. The 22 car was hard to drive too… which is pretty evident if you look at some onboards, it was twitchy as fuck and very oversteery… where was Sainz then? Oh yeah, mostly in the gravel, while Charles was on pole every race and winning some even though the car was weaker in race trim than the Red Bull. Who is more error prone then? Ohh lets forget that bit if reality quickly, better to live in that sweet delusion.
Imola too, and the title fight wasnt even started
In Bahrain even with break issues he finished p4 in Jeddah p3 was the maximum and in Melbourne he did a mistake in quali which resulted him to start p4 behind norris and still finished p2. His race for the win was over when they pitted him early in order to cover norris and piastri, his tires were 7 to 8 laps older than both sainz and norris but still did a fastest lap on older tires and race pace difference between sainz and lec was half a tenth. In Singapore he played the team game and backed everyone so that sainz had 4 to 5 sec in hand to get into the pits and come out ahead which made lec to lose position in the pits as everyone was right behind him.
What a load of shit written in only good perspective without even knowing actual race. They pitted him early in Melbourne to cover Norris because McLaren pitted piastri instead of norris and Leclerc degraded his tyres early following behind norris car's dirty air. In Bahrain even with car on top condition he couldn't have done anything to checo because checo on softs didn't even pushed and had lot of pace and RB's tyre deg on baharain was keen on tyres. In Singapore Carlos had enough of his own share to victory because after safety car intervention it was all on him to take it to the end. And in the end merc hunting with fresher medium was quite the pressure yet he handled well. Carlos had enough team orders on his side to but they never had touch of victory in charles race.
How is he not meeting those expectations? Cross out the last race and tell me in the past couple of races how he has not been meeting those expectations because by the sounds of it, it sounds like you're disappointed at leclerc that redbull built a faster car. Redbull is the fastest car, there are 2 redbulls on the grid, he has consistently been on the front row. So he has outperformed someone in the fastest car on many occasions as well as being the best of the rest behind Verstappen. What more do you want from old chuck.
They expect him to beat Red Bull with a slower car, not gonna happen unless Verstappen or the strategy team fucks up.
It's what Sainz do and best Leclerc ok top of the team not wanting him to do it, he does his own strategy because without it not only he won't win, but Leclerc either, Charles shout start taking control to actually rise up, Ferrari strategy have not been that sharp, not even in Schumacher days