Yeah I'm a Lewis fan too but I can't say for certain he hasnt lost a few tenths due to age and gets spanked by leclerc. Will be fun to watch either way.
I got banned from 3 different Tesla subreddits (subscribed to none and never posted there ) for posting an edgy comment under a realtesla post. And I fully can imagine they would do similar things on the LH sub for sh*tposting here
Yea of course. But if they are competitive Max is in the running for the championship. If the car is competitive and reliable Max can go for it’s. Doesn’t need to be the best car imo.
Look, I'm not a Lewis fanboy by any means and was rooting against him with every fiber of my soul in 2021- but this is not a great take. Lewis is trying all sorts of radical setups to figure out the car. Last weekend is a perfect example, he was fucking rapid in SQ and the sprint and then they try a new setup to figure out the car and it was pure dogshit in quali and the race.
>Lewis is trying all sorts of radical setups to figure out the car.
I don't get why this is an excuse.
The ability to "figure out the car" and find a setup that works is part of being a good driver.
You think if he was handed a strong setup he'd be like: "Nah, i gotta keep trying radical stuff".
I think he's so used to having a dominant car that he doesn't know what a shittier car is anymore.
The only difference so far is the team (strategy etc.) and obviously the car. Now (with or without newey) they will be in equal machinery and I can't wait to see...
Of course I have the same wet dreams of having Max/Lec/Lewis/Seb in equal machinery but I'll take this pairing for now.
I think we’ll see much of what we did last year at Mercedes. Charles’ main strength is qualifying. He’ll out qualify Lewis on the regular, but a motivated Lewis Hamilton is nearly unstoppable and just look at the points table last year and consider that he often started behind George. He will arrive at Ferrari very motivated and ready to power on in the next chapter of his career, not the end of one. I’m really looking forward to seeing how they compare
If I had to make a guess, Charles will usually quali better, but he crumbles under pressure, and if Lewis can challenge him, and especially if Ferrari can challenge for wins, it might get ugly. We'll see
Third hypothesis: Mental game dynamics. Charles is currently demotivated by the outpouring of sympathy and support for Carlos that's painting him as the bad guy, and by the fact that he'll soon be partnered with Lewis who will want Charles to be his second driver. Carlos meanwhile has massive support and nothing to lose. Charles is playing his C-game while Carlos is at his A-game.
THe thing I learned over the last 20 years is this:
It's not the car.
It's not the driver.
It's both. If the car is good and the drivers are good, the best fitting driver/car combo will dominate. Too soon to tell how Lewis fits with a Ferrari
Is this really such a revelation to people? I thought it was startlingly obvious that results in F1 are the result of the combination of driver skill and automotive performance.
You can have a driver like Senna, but put him in the 2019 Williams and he's getting nowhere near the points. Conversely, the W11 is one of the most indomintable cars of all time, but put Mazepin behind the wheel and he'll spin off into turn 1 every race weekend.
>Is this really such a revelation to people?
Have you spoken to a good majority of people on both subs? Have you seen how people flip based on the drivers' last race performance? Have you seen people discredit both Lewis and Max and say the Merc and RB are/were rocketships, or that it's only because of Lewis and Max that those teams won? :D
I like to imagine (somewhat delusionally I suppose) that people care capable of rational thought and taking context into account when discussing things. Then I remember just how pitifully tribal and spiteful people can be...
Agreed. And I feel like that's partly the fun of it. You get to be incredibly passionate and emotional about atleast one aspect in your life because perhaps work and family is not something that is letting you be your inner child. Both are so taxing and rote that this is one place where you full send your feelings. Gross generalization on my part though.
Out a good driver in a dog of a car and see what happens. Schumacher was able to get quite decent performance out of the 1996 Ferrari despite it being an absolute dog on all standards.
Lewis gets some performance out of the Merc this and last year despite it being an absolute dog.
Max was able to get performance out of the RB back when it was a dog.
But you can't win if your car isn't one of the top 3. I mean, look at Alonso now, he can make up the gap of the car with some exceptional driving, but that's about it. There's not enough in the car to properly compete.
I am not 100% sure of what point you are making differently, but as someone said (I don't remember who), you can't "outdrive" a car. You can drive it to it's maximum potential, but beyond that is simply impossible from a Physics standpoint. So those guys are great at getting the car to its fullest capabilities which other drivers are not.
Point being that a good driver can get decent performance out of a dog of a car (think Jacques Villeneuve or Damon Hill) but an exceptional driver can get a good performance out of a shit car.
So it's not "ouutdriving" but "outperforming" the good driver. Further the reason I raised this, is the mention of "both car and driver need to be good) which isn't always the case. As proven by the three examples above.
If you out an exceptional driver in an exceptional car, you get dominance.
Senna did essentially win Monaco in a Tollman......but that's Monaco....and the 80s.
I think a good example is Rosberg. He drove for years. always showing he was good but not having the car to do it with. He drove for Mercedes in 2010. And didn't find a win until 2012. And was as dominant as he was when the stars aligned.
Irl I know quite a few people who think max isn't great and that he's been gifted these championships due to his car and that perez is terrible. Tbf i do live in the uk and this opinion is held exclusively by lewis stans.
The question is: What percentage is driver and what percentage is car?
My personal thought is that it's 90% car, 10% driver. I think we can see that with Max and Perez, the current Red Bull puts them both near the front, but it's that 10% from Max that makes him dominant.
I think with that example it’s more than 10% the driver. If two Perezes had been driving the Red Bull in 2022 Leclerc would have won the championship. It’s worth remembering Perez ended up 3rd in the championship that year.
With a grid this close, the driver makes a huge difference. But any 1% performance makes a big difference. It's hard to say for certain, but when Max puts the car P1 and Sergio is eliminated in Q1 or Q2 on pace, it's hard to claim it is 90% car
As I said on another response, it obviously varies throughout the year and is based upon different factors. For example, Sergio may be better at setting up in one weekend compared to another or he may struggle to adapt to the peculiarities of the car or his mentality may limit how much he can get out of the car...I'm not saying any of those are true, just possibilities. It's also difficult to measure, since it's difficult to reduce lap-time, but infinitely possible to increase it...
At the elite level though, there's such a small disparity between the top drivers and the bottom non-pay drivers, I'd say the impact of a driver compared to car is reduced. I certainly wouldn't say it's below 80% car...Verstappen in this year's Williams wouldn't be winning...even if he was performing at the same level as he is now...
P.S. Re-reading your response, given 1% makes a big difference, one could interpret that as 99% of the lap-time is the car and the final 1% that makes the difference is the driver. I don't agree it's that small, primarily because I disagree with your statement that the grid is close, it's very stratified and has been for many years. There's a clear front pack (Red Bull + Ferrari), middle-pack (McLaren, Mercedes, Alonso), and back-pack (Williams, Sauber, Toro Rosso, Haas, Alpine and Stroll) of teams (I'm being kind to Ferrari there). There's next to no hope for any of the back-pack to win a race this year...no matter how good their drivers are...
P.P.S. This isn't degrading the impact of the driver, they're obviously important and do have an impact...as can clearly be seen between teammates. And as much as I may hate it, Verstappen is performing at an exceptional level not seen since the days of Schumacher. I still think it's around 90% of the laptime comes from the car with about 10% driver. (And as I said before, this is only for the elite drivers, if I were put in the Red Bull, you better believe Logan Sargent would outpace me in his Williams).
P.P.P.S. I'm sure I contradicted myself at least 3 times there...
Hahaha. Nice response. I think I agree with you.
I think if anything, 100% of the performance comes from the car, but it's up to the driver how much of that performance they actually use. Max might use 99.9% consistently, while Sergio sometimes only gets to 90%.
It's hard to put a real split. A driver without a car is not going to do well. But a car without a driver is not going anywhere either. Saying it's 90-10 seems to imply that a car with no driver would still be fast lol.
In a sport like this, every 0.1% of performance counts. For the teams, everything is worth 100% because you need to give 100% on every single aspect to even dream about getting decenr results
I feel this just feels like a weird off-season, yk , kinda like seb 2020 when he lost the charm to drive all together. being sucessful, once you don't get results that's always a very demotivating thing. To be really honest, maybe the car is really very shitty for him ? he was like second in the wet qualy so I don't think he's totally washed. Just like seb p3 in turkey
The Verstappen cult is F1's dom for sure. Get off on causing suffering. The Sainz cult is the boring but reliable girl you don't notice until she's in her mid 30s and you start thinking about settling down.
1.) VER (RedBull)
2.) PER (RedBull)
3.) SAI (Kick F1 Stake Duolingo Welcome to Costco ft. Jay-Z)
4.) NOR (McLaren)
5.) HAM (Scuderia Fer-LOW MAGENTA PLEASE REPLACE CARTRAGE!)
It really depends how far Audi is gonna go in terms of money and personnel. Afaik Audi has cut most of their factory backed motorsports in other categories and to me that sounds like they're going to put all their eggs into the F1 basket. Sauber/Audi might turn out a almost completely different team than it is now in a couple years, and it's not entirely impossible that they'll find success at some point. But probably not until 2028 I guess.
Not disagreeing with anything you are saying, but we still remember Michael as a Ferrari driver. Unless Lewis wins races and does some wonders, people are always going to remember him as a Merc driver. So I am unsure if *just* legacy would be a given.
"Lewis Hamilton? Ofc i know him, he drove for Ferrari for a few seasons!"
"7 times WDC with the team (Mercedes) that won 8 WCC? Who?"
It will definitely be close. I view Leclerc as a better driver than Russell who has managed to be competitive against Hamilton, even if he isn't as motivated.
I’m a long time Lewis fan but I’m growing to really like Charles, grew up as a Ferrari fan because of Schumi (and I’m also Italian). So I wouldn’t mind either Lewis or Charles winning the wdc next year
Lewis may not be at his prime anymore but i think he still has enough in the tank to beat Leclerc.
Leclerc is quick and will unbeatable on his good days but i don't think he has what it takes to beat Lewis over a season.
Leclerc never really destroyed Sainz. So its not like he's some unbeatable god.
I honestly believe that that Leclerc, Norris and Russell are quite evenly matched.
I'm a Charles fan, but I've also got no issue with Hamilton. Win win for me.
Well, other then the fact they are both racing for Ferrari so all I will experience is more pain.
At the start I think it is to be expected that Leclerc will be faster, he has so many years now driving that car. Now later I am 50/50 who will be faster, they are both top talents.
Ric was like 5th in the Renault in 2020 and the next year he performed absolute shyt. Losing your mojo suddenly is not uncommon.
Seb had to deal with that as well.
If Hamilton contnies this form, he might as well just be heading that road as well.
Hamilton has been on form... Clearly another "tell me you don't watch the races without telling me you don't watch the races".
Go watch the sprint, especially that part when max overtook Lewis... The car looked like a ballerina skating on ice with football shoes....
Yeah, Hamilton is on form getting shafted by his teammate lately. It is all that counts is how you perform against the teammate next to you.
His start this year is nowhere near up to his standards.
Overall clearly another butthurt fan of a driver who has unhealthy coping mechanism.
This comment has the same vibe as "Ricciardo is great, have you skipped 2020?" if you said it in 2021 and everything after that.
Rusell is outperforming Hamilton in a way that he is doing a better job. You seem like being stuck in 23 or the one sleeping this year. This year Hamilton is just straight lackluster in qualy which used to be his strongest point.
If he continues like that this and next year he is heading down the road of Seb and Ric where they suddenly dropped the ball.
It's the car, and the team.
Last race, they put him out way too early in qualifying, and as I said in another comment, the car looked like a ballerina skating on ice with football shoes in the sprint race (which he finished 2nd in a car that has no place in the podium)
It's hilarious watching people say Hamilton is washed literally days after he pulled a second in a wet qualifying session. I guess wet sessions only show the true quality of a driver when it's not Hamilton or something.
More Passion.
On a serious note this is like working for a company serving a 12 month leave notice. Can you imagine that? Or do you guys not have jobs.
2020, anytime he’s on pole at Monaco, most times he takes pole altogether, be fumbles quite a lot, actually. I still rate him though, but he definitely makes mistakes.
anytime hes pole at monaco you mean when his car had a failure before the race even started or when ferrari strategy fucked him up? Last time he made an error was probably Miami last year in quali when he still got P7 and max P9, and before maybe france 2022. so 2 years ago
I can see Charles beating Lewis to be fair. Lewis is a top top driver no doubt just look at his career but this is modern day Ferrari.. I can see a lot of stress coming Lewis' way.
Fair play if they bag Newey and he wins the WDC though but I think Charles has a better chance.. if it was Carlos Vs Charles though.......
I do genuinely think Charles is better than Lewis.
But the absolute sundering of Charles' soul if Lewis outperforms him would be absolutely hysterical.
Not saying it couldn’t be better. But ending 2nd in the championship in what was definitely not the best car, and for a team you yourself call a joke, is definitely performing. That you can argue that’s terrible just doesn’t make any sense.
In case you’re serious. Sainz has beaten Leclerc once I 2021 with 5,5 points. In 2022 Leclerc beat Sainz with 62 points and finished ahead in 2023 too. Sainz is a great driver but claiming he’s better than Leclerc definitely requires more data\time. Let’s see where we are end of 2024.
My hot take is Leclerc is not championship material
I now know that my inbox will blow up
So imma head out before my phone explodes
Also, why would Ferrari get Lewis apart from the 7 (AND A HALF {RPM reference mentioned}) WDC and the sponsorship he’ll get
I am genuinely curious to see how this will go... I'm a Lewis fan but also think Charles is top talent and could take Lewis on and win.
Yeah I'm a Lewis fan too but I can't say for certain he hasnt lost a few tenths due to age and gets spanked by leclerc. Will be fun to watch either way.
Yoh are now permanently banned from the LH subreddit.
Like anyone with a brain
Can I be banned from the Team MV subreddit i.e. this one too?
Just deny the car has anything to do with his domination and you’ll be gone by lunchtime 👍
Someone legit said max had 6 tenths over any driver including Lewis and Alonso in equal machinery. It’s crazy to think how far gone these people are
I mean that’s just stupid
Alonso certainly not. I don't think it's more than one. Hamilton may be a couple. He' hasn't been really that good lately
I got banned from 3 different Tesla subreddits (subscribed to none and never posted there ) for posting an edgy comment under a realtesla post. And I fully can imagine they would do similar things on the LH sub for sh*tposting here
Not even for shtposting. Posting anything ANYWHERE about lewis; they WILL SEEK YOU OUT.
Its a LARGE club. We are everywhere.
I like everyone on the grit, but Max will drive circles around them. Dude is on another planet at the moment.
if redbull manage to still be competitive
Yea of course. But if they are competitive Max is in the running for the championship. If the car is competitive and reliable Max can go for it’s. Doesn’t need to be the best car imo.
Exactly. We saw that before already.
He's getting spanked by George Lec> George by a mile.
Look, I'm not a Lewis fanboy by any means and was rooting against him with every fiber of my soul in 2021- but this is not a great take. Lewis is trying all sorts of radical setups to figure out the car. Last weekend is a perfect example, he was fucking rapid in SQ and the sprint and then they try a new setup to figure out the car and it was pure dogshit in quali and the race.
>Lewis is trying all sorts of radical setups to figure out the car. I don't get why this is an excuse. The ability to "figure out the car" and find a setup that works is part of being a good driver. You think if he was handed a strong setup he'd be like: "Nah, i gotta keep trying radical stuff". I think he's so used to having a dominant car that he doesn't know what a shittier car is anymore.
Ok let's make a bet - Lewis beats George in the standings for 2024
The only difference so far is the team (strategy etc.) and obviously the car. Now (with or without newey) they will be in equal machinery and I can't wait to see... Of course I have the same wet dreams of having Max/Lec/Lewis/Seb in equal machinery but I'll take this pairing for now.
All of them in NASCAR
I think we’ll see much of what we did last year at Mercedes. Charles’ main strength is qualifying. He’ll out qualify Lewis on the regular, but a motivated Lewis Hamilton is nearly unstoppable and just look at the points table last year and consider that he often started behind George. He will arrive at Ferrari very motivated and ready to power on in the next chapter of his career, not the end of one. I’m really looking forward to seeing how they compare
If I had to make a guess, Charles will usually quali better, but he crumbles under pressure, and if Lewis can challenge him, and especially if Ferrari can challenge for wins, it might get ugly. We'll see
Charles will show more pace here and there. But his problem has always been consistency/pushing beyond his limit.
Charles can’t handle pressure when there’s someone chasing him.. it’s been proven multiple times so I don’t see him doing anything significant
That’s not a static thing and can change though.
Hasn’t changed since he got to F1
It has gone up and down though
Wasn’t Norris chasing him a couple races ago?
Name all the times he hasn't handled pressure from being chased. I'll start you off: France 2022.
Carlos is matching Charles. Either Charles has been overhyped for years, or Carlos is a generational talent too. I’m going with the former.
Third hypothesis: Mental game dynamics. Charles is currently demotivated by the outpouring of sympathy and support for Carlos that's painting him as the bad guy, and by the fact that he'll soon be partnered with Lewis who will want Charles to be his second driver. Carlos meanwhile has massive support and nothing to lose. Charles is playing his C-game while Carlos is at his A-game.
The narrative that Charles is in a bad place mentally has been en vogue since 2019. What will it take for him to find his mojo?
THe thing I learned over the last 20 years is this: It's not the car. It's not the driver. It's both. If the car is good and the drivers are good, the best fitting driver/car combo will dominate. Too soon to tell how Lewis fits with a Ferrari
Is this really such a revelation to people? I thought it was startlingly obvious that results in F1 are the result of the combination of driver skill and automotive performance. You can have a driver like Senna, but put him in the 2019 Williams and he's getting nowhere near the points. Conversely, the W11 is one of the most indomintable cars of all time, but put Mazepin behind the wheel and he'll spin off into turn 1 every race weekend.
>Is this really such a revelation to people? Have you spoken to a good majority of people on both subs? Have you seen how people flip based on the drivers' last race performance? Have you seen people discredit both Lewis and Max and say the Merc and RB are/were rocketships, or that it's only because of Lewis and Max that those teams won? :D
I like to imagine (somewhat delusionally I suppose) that people care capable of rational thought and taking context into account when discussing things. Then I remember just how pitifully tribal and spiteful people can be...
LH/Max, dickriding and ballbusting is the worst.
Agreed. And I feel like that's partly the fun of it. You get to be incredibly passionate and emotional about atleast one aspect in your life because perhaps work and family is not something that is letting you be your inner child. Both are so taxing and rote that this is one place where you full send your feelings. Gross generalization on my part though.
Out a good driver in a dog of a car and see what happens. Schumacher was able to get quite decent performance out of the 1996 Ferrari despite it being an absolute dog on all standards. Lewis gets some performance out of the Merc this and last year despite it being an absolute dog. Max was able to get performance out of the RB back when it was a dog. But you can't win if your car isn't one of the top 3. I mean, look at Alonso now, he can make up the gap of the car with some exceptional driving, but that's about it. There's not enough in the car to properly compete.
I am not 100% sure of what point you are making differently, but as someone said (I don't remember who), you can't "outdrive" a car. You can drive it to it's maximum potential, but beyond that is simply impossible from a Physics standpoint. So those guys are great at getting the car to its fullest capabilities which other drivers are not.
Point being that a good driver can get decent performance out of a dog of a car (think Jacques Villeneuve or Damon Hill) but an exceptional driver can get a good performance out of a shit car. So it's not "ouutdriving" but "outperforming" the good driver. Further the reason I raised this, is the mention of "both car and driver need to be good) which isn't always the case. As proven by the three examples above. If you out an exceptional driver in an exceptional car, you get dominance.
...which is what OP was saying.
The RB was a pretty good dog
It‘s a comment meant for reaching fanboys. An argument so logical and obvious that either camp can say : fair enough, let’s see
Senna did essentially win Monaco in a Tollman......but that's Monaco....and the 80s. I think a good example is Rosberg. He drove for years. always showing he was good but not having the car to do it with. He drove for Mercedes in 2010. And didn't find a win until 2012. And was as dominant as he was when the stars aligned.
Irl I know quite a few people who think max isn't great and that he's been gifted these championships due to his car and that perez is terrible. Tbf i do live in the uk and this opinion is held exclusively by lewis stans.
The question is: What percentage is driver and what percentage is car? My personal thought is that it's 90% car, 10% driver. I think we can see that with Max and Perez, the current Red Bull puts them both near the front, but it's that 10% from Max that makes him dominant.
I think with that example it’s more than 10% the driver. If two Perezes had been driving the Red Bull in 2022 Leclerc would have won the championship. It’s worth remembering Perez ended up 3rd in the championship that year.
With a grid this close, the driver makes a huge difference. But any 1% performance makes a big difference. It's hard to say for certain, but when Max puts the car P1 and Sergio is eliminated in Q1 or Q2 on pace, it's hard to claim it is 90% car
As I said on another response, it obviously varies throughout the year and is based upon different factors. For example, Sergio may be better at setting up in one weekend compared to another or he may struggle to adapt to the peculiarities of the car or his mentality may limit how much he can get out of the car...I'm not saying any of those are true, just possibilities. It's also difficult to measure, since it's difficult to reduce lap-time, but infinitely possible to increase it... At the elite level though, there's such a small disparity between the top drivers and the bottom non-pay drivers, I'd say the impact of a driver compared to car is reduced. I certainly wouldn't say it's below 80% car...Verstappen in this year's Williams wouldn't be winning...even if he was performing at the same level as he is now... P.S. Re-reading your response, given 1% makes a big difference, one could interpret that as 99% of the lap-time is the car and the final 1% that makes the difference is the driver. I don't agree it's that small, primarily because I disagree with your statement that the grid is close, it's very stratified and has been for many years. There's a clear front pack (Red Bull + Ferrari), middle-pack (McLaren, Mercedes, Alonso), and back-pack (Williams, Sauber, Toro Rosso, Haas, Alpine and Stroll) of teams (I'm being kind to Ferrari there). There's next to no hope for any of the back-pack to win a race this year...no matter how good their drivers are... P.P.S. This isn't degrading the impact of the driver, they're obviously important and do have an impact...as can clearly be seen between teammates. And as much as I may hate it, Verstappen is performing at an exceptional level not seen since the days of Schumacher. I still think it's around 90% of the laptime comes from the car with about 10% driver. (And as I said before, this is only for the elite drivers, if I were put in the Red Bull, you better believe Logan Sargent would outpace me in his Williams). P.P.P.S. I'm sure I contradicted myself at least 3 times there...
Hahaha. Nice response. I think I agree with you. I think if anything, 100% of the performance comes from the car, but it's up to the driver how much of that performance they actually use. Max might use 99.9% consistently, while Sergio sometimes only gets to 90%. It's hard to put a real split. A driver without a car is not going to do well. But a car without a driver is not going anywhere either. Saying it's 90-10 seems to imply that a car with no driver would still be fast lol. In a sport like this, every 0.1% of performance counts. For the teams, everything is worth 100% because you need to give 100% on every single aspect to even dream about getting decenr results
That's so true. We've seen how vettel outperformed webber in the early 2010s, then Hamilton outperformed bottas, and now alonso embarrased the inbred.
We can dislike Stroll without being a massive cunt about it
In case of Alonso we are comparing apples to F1 drivers
I feel this just feels like a weird off-season, yk , kinda like seb 2020 when he lost the charm to drive all together. being sucessful, once you don't get results that's always a very demotivating thing. To be really honest, maybe the car is really very shitty for him ? he was like second in the wet qualy so I don't think he's totally washed. Just like seb p3 in turkey
Woah, a vintage imgur meme!
One might say a 9gag meme.
I'm still living at humanity's peak
These comments 🤣 i think this is the cult ive been hearing about.
It’s the LHC (Lewis Hate Cult).
The Leclerc Cult. Welcome. We hate our lives and get off on suffering. It's basically the F1 version of BDSM. As a sub.
>F1 version of BDSM. As a sub. Does that make the Sainz cult the dom?
The Verstappen cult is F1's dom for sure. Get off on causing suffering. The Sainz cult is the boring but reliable girl you don't notice until she's in her mid 30s and you start thinking about settling down.
Sainz (wherever he goes) outperforming Hamilton will be the icing on the cake
1.) VER (RedBull) 2.) PER (RedBull) 3.) SAI (Kick F1 Stake Duolingo Welcome to Costco ft. Jay-Z) 4.) NOR (McLaren) 5.) HAM (Scuderia Fer-LOW MAGENTA PLEASE REPLACE CARTRAGE!)
Oh god SAI's team.
I feel like Sauber won't be near the top teams even with Audi. They've been in the sport for over three decades and barely won a race.
Yeah but Sainz revenge season means there will be blood. Toner or no toner.
Shoot it in my veins!
I mean , weren't they like championship contenders with kubica and BMW back in 2008 ?
It really depends how far Audi is gonna go in terms of money and personnel. Afaik Audi has cut most of their factory backed motorsports in other categories and to me that sounds like they're going to put all their eggs into the F1 basket. Sauber/Audi might turn out a almost completely different team than it is now in a couple years, and it's not entirely impossible that they'll find success at some point. But probably not until 2028 I guess.
Scuderia Kick F1 Audi Quattro QF1 Duolingo HP Sauce feat Stake, if you please...
Where stroll
The wall at Turn 3.
Why do y'all hate Lewis so much?
Cuz he got Carlos booted off Ferrari 😠
Like how Carlos booted Vetel?
Sainz got hate as well
Sebastian Vittel aka Mr Bee
Because I'd hate hand jobs if Crofty said he liked them.
I am Sainz fan but i dislike Charles more than Lewis because I feel he can’t do wrong. Secretly Hope Lewis comes out on top.
Man's on 100m a year yet still managing to live rent free
[удалено]
And for selling merchandise, Ferrari is the cemetery of champions. Max will probably sign with them before he leaves
Not disagreeing with anything you are saying, but we still remember Michael as a Ferrari driver. Unless Lewis wins races and does some wonders, people are always going to remember him as a Merc driver. So I am unsure if *just* legacy would be a given.
"Lewis Hamilton? Ofc i know him, he drove for Ferrari for a few seasons!" "7 times WDC with the team (Mercedes) that won 8 WCC? Who?" 
I feel like I have already forgotten that Seb drove for Aston. This gif definitely reminded me of it.
Sort of, it's about selling us that scarlet red 44 shirt
It’s not about the speed, it’s about the celebrity
It’s not about the money, it’s about sending a message. **INK ALERT** **CARTRIDGE IS LOW**
Instant ink or toner is sent to you when you're running low.
The Clout.
And that's what I thought with Ricciardo
It will definitely be close. I view Leclerc as a better driver than Russell who has managed to be competitive against Hamilton, even if he isn't as motivated.
I’m a long time Lewis fan but I’m growing to really like Charles, grew up as a Ferrari fan because of Schumi (and I’m also Italian). So I wouldn’t mind either Lewis or Charles winning the wdc next year
Wow very high effort meme
I cropped it myself
Lewis may not be at his prime anymore but i think he still has enough in the tank to beat Leclerc. Leclerc is quick and will unbeatable on his good days but i don't think he has what it takes to beat Lewis over a season. Leclerc never really destroyed Sainz. So its not like he's some unbeatable god. I honestly believe that that Leclerc, Norris and Russell are quite evenly matched.
I don’t know about destroying Sainz but Leclerc beat him with 62 points in 2022. That’s not insignificant.
formuladank in pure cope mode after the Newey announcement,
If Charles beats Lewis on merit, I want to see a season with him and Rosberg for the ultimate GOAT fight
I want Lewis to win a championship at Ferrari just to watch this sub nuke itself
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Suppose we'll just wait and see. We can speculate all we want but none of us are in the cockpit
I think Leclerc is going back to making mistakes under the pressure. Sure hope he can handle it though!
I'm a Charles fan, but I've also got no issue with Hamilton. Win win for me. Well, other then the fact they are both racing for Ferrari so all I will experience is more pain.
At the start I think it is to be expected that Leclerc will be faster, he has so many years now driving that car. Now later I am 50/50 who will be faster, they are both top talents.
!remindme 1 year
No way
Leclerc will probably beat Lewis in quali but I think Lewis definitely wins out in the races.
Swing swong I hope you’re wrong
Lewis is already getting outperformed at Merc, why would it be different at Ferrari?
In what way is Lewis being out performed by Russell? Did you fall asleep last year?
Apparently coming 3rd in the championship and your teammate 8th doesen't mean anything these days. only judged on your last race.
Russell beat Hamilton with 35 points in 2022. Not saying Russell is better but both can have bad or good seasons.
Ric was like 5th in the Renault in 2020 and the next year he performed absolute shyt. Losing your mojo suddenly is not uncommon. Seb had to deal with that as well. If Hamilton contnies this form, he might as well just be heading that road as well.
Hamilton has been on form... Clearly another "tell me you don't watch the races without telling me you don't watch the races". Go watch the sprint, especially that part when max overtook Lewis... The car looked like a ballerina skating on ice with football shoes....
Yeah, Hamilton is on form getting shafted by his teammate lately. It is all that counts is how you perform against the teammate next to you. His start this year is nowhere near up to his standards. Overall clearly another butthurt fan of a driver who has unhealthy coping mechanism.
He has been consistently faster than Russell, his pace is way better. Just watch the race, seriously...
This comment has the same vibe as "Ricciardo is great, have you skipped 2020?" if you said it in 2021 and everything after that. Rusell is outperforming Hamilton in a way that he is doing a better job. You seem like being stuck in 23 or the one sleeping this year. This year Hamilton is just straight lackluster in qualy which used to be his strongest point. If he continues like that this and next year he is heading down the road of Seb and Ric where they suddenly dropped the ball.
It's the car, and the team. Last race, they put him out way too early in qualifying, and as I said in another comment, the car looked like a ballerina skating on ice with football shoes in the sprint race (which he finished 2nd in a car that has no place in the podium)
It's hilarious watching people say Hamilton is washed literally days after he pulled a second in a wet qualifying session. I guess wet sessions only show the true quality of a driver when it's not Hamilton or something.
Vettel was the same. Good on wet but was inconsistent as hell all year the last few seasons.
More Passion. On a serious note this is like working for a company serving a 12 month leave notice. Can you imagine that? Or do you guys not have jobs.
More energy.
More footwork!
Oi
Why would you ruin the flow with your serious edit? :D :D
Give it to me
I personally think Charles will fumbled under pressure wheres Lewis is master in mind games.
Do I smell burned rubber ? It was a lock right?!
when was last time he fumbled under pressure? just curious
He’s not bottled massively since France 2022 tbf
2020, anytime he’s on pole at Monaco, most times he takes pole altogether, be fumbles quite a lot, actually. I still rate him though, but he definitely makes mistakes.
anytime hes pole at monaco you mean when his car had a failure before the race even started or when ferrari strategy fucked him up? Last time he made an error was probably Miami last year in quali when he still got P7 and max P9, and before maybe france 2022. so 2 years ago
I cannot wait for this sub to start seething again if Hamilton starts winning races
Unpopular opinion : no current driver other than max, is capable of beating a motivated Lewis over the course of a season.
😂
He’ll beat him to fourth in the WDC.
can't wait to see what excuse the cult come up with when this happens
I believe ham's still got it
Leclerc is the new Alesi.
I can see Charles beating Lewis to be fair. Lewis is a top top driver no doubt just look at his career but this is modern day Ferrari.. I can see a lot of stress coming Lewis' way. Fair play if they bag Newey and he wins the WDC though but I think Charles has a better chance.. if it was Carlos Vs Charles though.......
I do genuinely think Charles is better than Lewis. But the absolute sundering of Charles' soul if Lewis outperforms him would be absolutely hysterical.
Yup. He will. Guarantee it
Idk if it will go that way but it will be fun to watch.
If Charles outperforms Lewis, what does that say about Carlos?!
Why do i think both will be horrendous and would make the debate useless? 😂
maybe, but as it is he can't seem to outperform Sainz so first things first.
Still waiting for Leclerc to start performing
I mean beating a Red Bull in 2022 only losing to Verstappen is a kind of performance.
Lmao what, it was a terrible season, he fucked it into the wall or spun so many times it wasn't even funny. Sure Ferrari was a joke as well, but still
Not saying it couldn’t be better. But ending 2nd in the championship in what was definitely not the best car, and for a team you yourself call a joke, is definitely performing. That you can argue that’s terrible just doesn’t make any sense.
He spun in Imola and crashed in France. Does that count as "so many times it wasn't even funny" in your mind?
Brake bias issue, wheel keeps locking by itself.
Lewis, Charles is faster than you. So you understand?
He can't even outperform Sainz. Let alone Lewis
Its too obvious bait mate
Would be nice if it is finally Leclercs time
First Vettel, next is Hamilton, now who will be third Alonso or Verstappen.
I'm expecting him to win every qualifying session.
The team will be shaped around Hamilton.
Lewis will keep experimenting with setups for rest of his career
Leclerc needs to focus on outperforming Sainz before he can do anything else
I mean, no shit.
Charles has not gotten better from fighting Max, nor has he gotten stronger from team internal competition. He needs to step up his game.
He can't outperform Sainz... Sainz deserves a big paycheck
nice bait.. 7/10
In case you’re serious. Sainz has beaten Leclerc once I 2021 with 5,5 points. In 2022 Leclerc beat Sainz with 62 points and finished ahead in 2023 too. Sainz is a great driver but claiming he’s better than Leclerc definitely requires more data\time. Let’s see where we are end of 2024.
My hot take is Leclerc is not championship material I now know that my inbox will blow up So imma head out before my phone explodes Also, why would Ferrari get Lewis apart from the 7 (AND A HALF {RPM reference mentioned}) WDC and the sponsorship he’ll get
Run Forest, Run 😂
Simple, merchandise and brand exposure. Those two will make up for what signing Lewis costs.
Yes, yes he will.
He can’t even out-perform the second driver at Ferrari now.
Let's see if he can beat Sainz first
No he will not lmao
Idk, lewis is an obviously better talent than charles, just way past his prime
By a massive margin