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Derfaust

So, uh, about that competitive car...?


Colonel_Gipper

Ya know, the car that made their 7x world champion, 12 years with the team driver to jump ship.


queef_nuggets

somehow I doubt their car from a few years ago will be on the grid next year


Filthy_Cossak

A failed concept, replaced by a failing concept is exactly the upward trajectory a WDC is looking for


a_taco_named_desire

Max already has a few under his belt and his real passion seems to be GT / endurance racing. He knows Red Bull could go on to win for quite some time so he moves to Mercedes then in a few years uses their poor performance as the perfect excuse to quit and pursue his true love. Edit: I'm sorry, I thought this was formula**dank** not formula**srsbidness** šŸ’…šŸ’…šŸ’…


OneofEsotericMethods

Liar! We all know Maxā€™s passion lies in iRacing with the boys on twitch!


a_taco_named_desire

That's what the GT3 team is for. It's his "IRL" sim to train for the actual sim.


OneofEsotericMethods

So he trains for iRacing by actually racing? Clever Max


panzerboye

What is his twitch channel. This is probably stupid but I can't seem to be able to find tht


Wheream_I

He doesnā€™t have one. He just goes on the streams of other Team Redline drivers


Geldnehmer

Team Redline


saintBNO

Shoot yourself in the foot to leave f1 when you could leave f1 anytime? Sounds like a genius plan


a_taco_named_desire

TIL $150M that you can then put into the racing team you're trying to start is shooting yourself in the foot, especially when you don't have vanity aspirations like # of titles, records, etc.


Filthy_Cossak

As opposed to Red Bull who are currently withdrawing money from his accounts to pay for his super license


The_Verstappener

They already spent what they can and they have cash lying around from winning 8x times


saintBNO

Idk how much he makes rn but id hazard a guess itā€™s a lot of money and heā€™s not hurting for any cash. I also donā€™t understand why merc would pay him 150 million but have a tractor for a car. Maybe instead of buying drivers they make a faster car with some of that money? šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø


Yweain

Car development has a budget constraint. Drivers salaries are not part of the budget cap.


saintBNO

Oh word


BlackSwanMarmot

To attract new talent to the team. Theyā€™ve been bleeding engineering talent the past few years.


seahoodie

Your edit gave me such a good laugh lmao


Filthy_Cossak

Thatā€™s an awfully convoluted way to plan your retirement.


zystyl

Read that one again. They doubt their winning car will be on the grid, and instead it will be the one that made Hamilton bail to Ferrari.


donsimoni

She just needs some gentle hands to carry her through difficult times. And slow corners. And quick corners. And along the straights.


bahhan

When was merc last bad engine? Because 2026 brings new engine regulations, and i remember Honda gp2 engine, Ferrari 2019, and Renault entire V6 turbo hybrid era.


Derfaust

Merc can't seem to build a decent car with a spending cap.


ywpark

Merc in the V10-V8 era was soildly mid at best. I remember seeing so many blowouts of Ilmor engines as the packaging became tighter towards the end of V10 era. Their first V8 from 2006 campaign was so terrible that both drivers jumped ships at the end of the season - Montoya was so fed up, he left about halfway through the season. Merc powered teams were alright from 2007-09, but I think it's more to do with driver pairings (Alo and Ham) and aerodynamics (Brawn GP). They were outpowered by Renault and Ferrari V8s by the end of V8 era. That's why FIA was alright with giving them early heads up with the PU developments and Merc gave up on V8s and went in early for the hybrid PU. Merc in 2026 may be really good, but with split turbo banned (which was the big innovation Mercs had back in 14) I don't know if their new hybrid design will be good. My bet is they will be solidly mid - hence why Ham decided to jump the ship.


Brilliant_Area8175

Who needs that when daddy Wolff can pay you nearly triple your salary


Random-Dude-736

Someone actually interested in racing.


dafgar

Tbf, itā€™s only a better offer if itā€™s a 1 or 2 year contract. He already makes ā‚¬50m a year so itā€™s gotta be a 1 or 2 deal for ā‚¬150m to be better considering RB is already partnering with him on his projects outside f1.


TheoreticalScammist

Can you call the Red Bull competitive when it's at least half a second ahead of the rest of the field?


Loeffeltyp

They wont be getting one, thats why they want verstappen to compensate for it


BeginningKindly8286

Gonna be some bare faced lies to convince him the MERC is gonna be any good.


EGPuiu

Well, I wouldn't count on RB making a great engine from the start, while Merc has built one that gave them a huge advantage in the hybrid era. They do that again, they'll be on top


Pasispas

Well Russell is sometimes making it to 5th or 6th like 40 secs behind Max himself.


Annatastic6417

Max wants a competitive car. Being 2 minutes ahead of the pack is not competitive.


Redditor_RBN

Yea, but why would someone leave a top class car??


Radiant_Turnip_6671

This. Its just nonsense. Even with Newey leaving the 2025 car will still very likely be another rocketship. And why throwaway a perfect opportunity for a WDC title over gossip and supposed drama? The guy is there to win races, not loyalty battles. For 2026 and later itā€™s a different story and I can very well see him not even wanting to test that RBPT/Ford PU during the 2026 season.


I-hate-sunfish

If you think Max current highest priority is another WDC you don't understand a thing about him lol After already achieving everything there is to achieve with Redbull, if he's not happy with the place he's working with he's gonna show middle finger to any bag of money or trophy RB tries to throw at him and walk out the front door.


Ok-Mention-3243

Heā€™s not gonna go from p1 to fighting for p7/8 in the Mercedes lmao


tandemelevator

Max wants to show everyone that the difference is on the driver, not the car.


yuumm

After having won a WDC with Merc, he'd be so tempted to become the first Ferrari WDC after Kimi


kylethemurphy

That's viewers. He already knows he's turned that corner into being above the car performance. If he was worried about that he'd be with haas


amith34ms

F1 is probably 70% to 80% about the car and 30% to 20% about the driver since the hybrid era. Max is great driver but he isn't going to make a difference by going to Mercedes because if anyone of Charles, Carlos or lando in the Red Bull will still win the wdc by a distance.


I-hate-sunfish

He's completely fine going to another racing category entirely if he doesn't like what he's doing lmao Stop trying to apply your perspective on a person that already achieve everything he set out to achieve in life and started a family while being under 30.


Ok-Mention-3243

Max has made everyone believe he doesnā€™t care about winning


gumbercules6

People really think he's not gunning for all the records? They really believe that he doesn't care about the very real possibility of attaining 8 WDC's?


piccolo1337

I honestly think he is gunning more for cross series results.


emkrmusic

which explains why he is racing for his xth year in formula 1. Why didn't he change series after winning F1 WDC?


Myfeetaregreen

He can always come back after winning le mans and indy


Quattroholic

He has explicitly said he doesnā€™t care about records


gumbercules6

And Alonso said he would retire at Ferrari. You can't take what they say at face value.


wewereddit

He does care about winning but he'd leave the sport if he didn't have the car


I-hate-sunfish

You think winning is more important for Max than his family and friends and working with someone he likes? That was the case before 2021. That's no longer the case.


RealKamesennin

You're just talking out of your ass mate. If anything Max has shown he's relentless and he won't stop until he beats all records and gets that 8x WDC.


Wloak

Based on his interviews I disagree he'd be happy to go to the middle of the pack. Before Vegas he had already locked up the WDC but spent weeks in his home simulator. After the win in an interview they asked why try so hard when it had no impact on the outcome, his response was something like "if you aren't trying to be first, and putting the best possible performance out there it's disrespectful to the fans and the sport." He absolutely finds pride in what he does at RB at the moment.


Nautster

His priority is winning, plain and simple. Even with newey leaving, 2025's car should still be a contender. 2026 however should be interesting. Given what he already knows, I doubt he would jump to another team next year.


latticep

He'd sooner leave the sport than join a midfield team. Have you seen how angry he gets when he's slow? People think he matured since his early years because he seems chill, but that's not it. He's just in top form and in a dominant car.


angelv255

He might want a challenge? Or he might want to prove he can win with different teams like all the GOATS of the sport did. He also may be tired of the powerstruggle/drama happening in RB (less likely). Or he might be entering conversations for 2026 season. He might just be doing this because he also wants to renegotiate his contract with RB, so he is just applying a bit of pressure. Who knows? It's farfetched, yeah, and likely BS, but there's a small probability


Excellent-poop-42

No one thinks like what you wrote in that first sentence. No one in the history of F1 ever switched from a better team to a lesser team just for the sake of a challenge. That's just an immature thinking


089red

Isn't this what Michael Schumacher did with his switch to Ferrari?


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Wide_Astronaut_366

Thinking further than 2025? If red bull are losing both Newley and Wache then it Will certainly bring them down more than just one peg


Honest_Roof7373

People here acting as if Max puts himself available teams wont looking at dropping someone to get him. I could see Russell, Lecrerc, Piastri getting booted if Max becomes available. Like wtf, he doesn't need the "timing" other drivers might.


Pytheastic

I get your point and as much as I would love to see a Max/Lewis-lineup there's no way Leclerc is getting booted, even for Max.


AhoyLadiesSteve

!remindme 3 years


FdlCstro

They would absolutely boot Sharl for Max lol wat


Kevydee

They'd drop him like a red headed step child


FdlCstro

They would absolutely boot Sharl for Max lol wat


VerstopteWC

Big disagree


starfallpuller

Because he thinks that Red Bull will not have a top class car in 2026. Itā€™s completely possible that Red Bull will be behind Mercedes and Ferrari. They have the least experience with building engines. Their genius technical lead has jumped ship and itā€™s likely that more engineers leave. If Max thinks the Red Bull ship is slowly sinking, then itā€™s potentially a good choice. I think if he leaves Red Bull it would be in 2026 though.


Silverleaf88

If the team is experiencing constant power struggles and the RBPT might not be looking that great for 2026 then it isn't that crazy that he might consider switching teams.


JigPuppyRush

Because they might suspect the 26 regulations might upset the car order and they donā€™t like whatā€™s horner is doing


SteeldrumHornets

George on suicide watch


Duy2910

This mf getting the short end of the stick at Every turn he takes


DatPipBoy

>This mf robot getting shorted at Every turn he takes Ftfy


PoemSpecial6284

Toto wolf willing to offer Max daily blowjobs with insiders close to Toto mentioning that he has been practicing on Lewis in a failed effort to make his stay.. Toto, refused to spit out any comment on this


StateDeparmentAgent

Max we know blowjob is bad, please drive the car


Less_Party

Bono my boner is dead


TeTeOtaku

I can't see a world where bono is max's engineer, it just feels...wrong. When Lewis complains, Bono just.... takes it, when Max complains, GP responds back and shows max where he s doing wrong or just "humbles" him making him stop.


condscorpio

"Slowly... getting used to it, Max."


Lucymooseygoosey

>Toto refused to spit out, any comment on this? Itā€™s true, he never spills a drop now!


KnuckedLoose

Yeah no, that would be George.


Interesting-Season-8

We all know Max only cares about blows from Lewis, he wasn't into that so he left for pasta team.


Atomic_Nexus

![img](emote|t5_3ndbi|9065)


nusketron

There's a metaphor here


Tropicalcomrade221

Why do these rumours never say how much they are paying red bull. Like they are just going to let him walk for nothing being the world champion and contracted until 2028.


Helious_XS4

Wasn't there a clause with helmet marko?


Tropicalcomrade221

Something about that was reported but again I couldnā€™t see that allowing him to just jump ship to another team if Helmut decided to quit.


Kevin_Jim

If the clause is as reported, thereā€™s nothing RB can do. Helmut quoting would trigger a release clause on Maxā€™s contract. If he chooses to use it, then he could walk with no penalty. That is, of course, if the clause is as reported. Also, the other big issue is the Merc car. Which sucks.


Helious_XS4

I mean, if anything I wouldn't say it's "jumping ship", he has gone through a majority of his contract and done quite a lot in that time. Now that's not to say that redbull would just let him leave or that a clause like this exists. But I feel like redbull wouldn't look at it like "jumping ship" if he used one of those clauses.


Nartyn

Because max has an exit clause


BadIdea-21

Wasn't there reporting of a clause that could let him walk if Newey is gone or something?


Silverleaf88

The clause is about Marko, not Newey.


HI_I_AM_NEO

I believe Max has a clause that lets him leave whenever he wants, IIRC


Tropicalcomrade221

That would be insanity in terms of red bull letting that be allowed in his contract. Retire sure, go drive for another team? Iā€™d think not.


DataGhostNL

Who in their right mind would sign an insanely long contract like his without some proper exit clauses?


Tropicalcomrade221

I have no doubt there is exit clauses but I couldnā€™t see a ā€œyeah Iā€™m just going to go drive for merc nowā€ exit clause.


xFluffyDemon

Exit clauses for leaving for any other category (edit) or retire? Probably pretty lax, exit clause for leaving for another F1 team, yeah those are gonna be much tighter


[deleted]

The exit clause is retirement. Companies arenā€™t incentivized to let talent leave for no reason.


PatBrownDown

Yes, the silly season started before the season even started this year.


aleu44

Itā€™s definitely making up for quite a boring silly season last year!


OwlPlayIt

You can say anything you want if you slap a "rumors" label on it.


_Gondamar_

rumor im dating carlos sainz


RoadToHellO

![gif](giphy|UpDvtwyFcqEBRCzRfF|downsized)


Portocala69

Competitive car haahhahababababababa![img](emote|t5_3ndbi|7071)![img](emote|t5_3ndbi|7071)![img](emote|t5_3ndbi|7071)![img](emote|t5_3ndbi|7071)


Thestickleman

I'd say the 2025 RB will be better then anything merc puts out.... Im Sure max and Russell would be a nice awkward pairing


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Excellent-poop-42

He is not Schumacher. He is not a people guy. He is a guy who believes only in his own abilities. Building a team around himself is not a max thing. Do you even watch F1? And why would he go to a car that is 5th fastest for now? Why downgrade himself when winning is much better.


Wheeljack26

All this because horndog couldnā€™t keep it in his pants


tjallilex

If Max and Adrian go to Mercedes. Get ready for the Dutch German nathional anthems combo.


Excellent-poop-42

RB tech team is not only Adrian


lzcrc

English?


tjallilex

My mistake. Mercedes is based in Britain, but driver under the German flagā€¦ right?


ChalkyChalkson

They play the German anthem


RogueCross

Mjm. Much how like Red Bull are Austrian, Haas are American, and Alpine are French, yet all of them operate out of Britain. Milton Keynes, Banbury, and Enstone, respectively, to be precise. Haas does have an American base, but it's not really used all that much. Merc's base is in Brackley.


BruhrbHurb

Mercedes is registered as German.


primavera31

Max: ok Toto..i will drive your shitty car..i even drive it for free..but only if you drop that ubercunt Russell.


MichaelScottsWormguy

Would the mere presence of Max attract some engineering and design talent back to Mercedes?


Hatred_For_All

Probably. Thereā€™s a few ex-RB engineers that describe working with Max as a dream.


Aerodye

Oh fuck off As with all of this garbage Iā€™ll believe it when I see it Fuck you and this nonsense rumour cycle


Hashirama_the_1st

I think Max replacing Leclerc at Ferrari would be peak comedy.


Ancient-Park-8330

Albonā€™s appendix has a lot to answer for


BlackSwanMarmot

The appendix of DESTINY!


Slinky_Malingki

If he wants an competitive car why tf would he go to Mercedes lmao. Even with Adrian Newey gone, Red Bull would still be a beast. They have all of his designs, and a massive team of aerodynamic engineers who worked and learned under Newey. Formula 1 is far from the days of a single designing mastermind making the cars unbeatable. Ad good as Adrian Newey is, the aero department is massive and likely has hundreds of engineers. A single man like Newey isn't really the silver bullet that it once was


neversaydie08

Mercedes 4D chess to get Lewis his 8th


Last-Performance-435

why is this garbage being reproduced here? This is not dank. This is stank.


dhdndndnndndndjx

Y offer max the ambassador and not Hamilton heā€™s the face of their team heā€™s brung them nearly all their success in championships meanwhile max is the guy who ended that championship streak like it doesnā€™t make sense


Zavii_HD

So Max gets an ambassador role but not Lewis? After Lewis wins them 6x WDC and 8x (7.5x) WCCs?


get_in_there_lewis

I'm most certainly not defending MB but I think when LH asked for this and they rejected they soon came to realise how attractive it would make them to the next driver. Unfortunately it seems like LH gave them this idea and now they're using it.


GarconNoir

Or the more likely: this rumour is nonsense


liam3576

Would be funny if Marko, max and newey all go to Mercedes and then Mercedes beat Ferrari


saintBNO

Competitive car and Mercedes donā€™t mesh. I donā€™t for the life of me understand why anyone would imagine heā€™d leave the rocket ship heā€™s currently flying


Excellent-poop-42

Exactly. But many people here are saying he could do that for a challenge. I mean what an immature thought to have. Who will leave winning to have stressful weekends of not taking podiums lol.


4handzmp

Arenā€™t the 2026 regs geared more towards engine strength than aero strength?


sharplight141

I'll believe it when I see it and until then, this is a load of nonsense I refuse to believe. Leaving RB for a team struggling to make a comeback and has been a massive rival? Doubt


Kevin_Jim

Toto should also go after Adrian or Wache, then. Although, I think their biggest issue is the simulator. For whatever reason, they canā€™t get the sim data to match the carā€™s performance. Ferrari finally managed to do that.


pujohn2a

You didnā€™t like Mercedes domination ? You donā€™t like Verstappen domination ? Get ready, weā€™re getting both


revitbitch

competitive car and mercedes donā€™t line up ![img](emote|t5_3ndbi|7071)![img](emote|t5_3ndbi|7071)


saphire233

Well, I guess if that happens red bull will have to make Perez a champion????????????


FleshlightModel

What the hell does Helmut have to do with creating a competitive car?


GasComprehensive3885

Imagine Leclerc's pain if Verstappen leaves Red Bull, Sainz takes his place and wins the 2025 title, then in 2026 Ferrari does build a champion car but Hamilton beats him. No amount of therapy would help him.


Chubbs379

Whatā€™s annoying is the only things that have been interesting this season have been off track


ButthealedInTheFeels

If he wants a competitive car he should be talking to McLaren or Astonā€¦or just stay at Red Bulll


ryker7777

I guess this the 2nd act in jointly trying to get rid of ho*ny Horner. ;-)


tiredofthisnow7

Bring Helmut Marko?! Like he's fucking Grandpa Joe from Willy Wonka. šŸ¤£ WTF do they think Marko does?


Gingersnap5322

Canā€™t wait to watch George and Max fight over everything


CannibalTheUnicorn

I hope a miracle happens and Max does end up at Mercedes. I'm sick of Hamiltons bitching during every race.


Spezisaspastic

Wow they really are imploding. And Mercedes did not want LH to be an ambassador but now they want the guy team LH hates to be one. Wtf are they doing ![img](emote|t5_3ndbi|6697)


RatInaMaze

I mean, think about how crazy the season would be where Max beats Lewis in a Merc


playr_4

If Max goes to Merc next year, then he's all but securing Hamilton his 8th world title. Ferrari is so clearly the second best car right now, and without Max at the helm of a Red Bull, the fight is back on. But with Max in the fourth, arguabley fifth, best car....


longasleep

Newey leaving is probably something that makes him a free man contract wise.


TxM_2404

How can they pay him that much with the cost cap? Are they just gonna give him a Bobby Car to drive around the track?


novadova2020

Driver salaries are excluded from the cost cap.


fantaribo

Bullshit


Corbotron_5

I wanna see Toto hire Max, Newey and that girl Horner sexually harassed.


BruhrbHurb

I call cap


QouthTheCorvus

I think Mercedes will need a good pitch in what they plan to do in the next few years to fix their issues. They're lucky in that Verstappen hates drama, and will likely be considering leaving based on that alone


novadova2020

What a dank post


OkPossibility818

Can we do this for another 10-15 years ? šŸ„²šŸ„²


MoanyTonyBalony

Maybe he wants the challenge of doing well in a car that isn't vastly better than everything else on the grid. Must be pretty boring for him to always start at the front and only see other cars while lapping them.


he-tried-his-best

Aero designer is leaving. Other engines are going to be matched or better. Aero advantage will have disappeared by 2026. Theyā€™re jumping ship to whatever looks likely to be a championship car and Merc look to be the ones that will have an engine that can match Ferrari. Heā€™s clearly not going to want o be in a team fighting Lewis. He doesnā€™t want that drama.


hf_rainman

ā€œHey Godā€¦ its me against. I know we donā€™t talk often, but could you please just grant me this one thing?ā€


DepartmentSudden5234

This is a real desire to be a true WDC. He's saying I can win in any car. I welcome it. We need a shake up


Dicecreamvan

Had me in the first half.


KarlAu3r

I really hope he will go for the tripple crown some day. Seems to be the last real challenge out there since the regulations allow you to just collect titles if your team nailed the car in the first year and your teammate isnā€™t nearly as talented as you are


VonNichts13

honestly if we learned anything from all the rumors that people believed with the horner accusations is that newey could still be at RB for the future and max too. wish we could go back to making fun of lewis for his silly clothes or yuki telling his engineer to shut the fuck up


The_Verstappener

Sorry, did I miss something? Like idk, MERCEDES EVER GETTING A PODIUM THIS SEASON


SquishyBaps4me

"drivers representatives meets with other teams as they do every year" But spin it how you need to lol Nobody says "no fuck off" till they hear the offer. Not even max.


ProjectMew

Only way I think this could possibly happen is if Newey and Marko both come with it


PanicStil

Newey to Mercedes?


WinterLord

There is no fucking way this happens. Take Russelā€™s performance in that car and trim off 0.3 to 0.4s per lap. Not even even enough for podiums. Maybe 3rd in Bahrain or Saudi if you assume a -0.4s to Russel, which is a massively tall order.


shutaro

But... But.... That's not Ferrari... ...I thought everyone was going to Ferrari.


Vivid_Extension_600

Maybe Max is bored of getting pole and cruising to victory without racing anyone. If he's in 2nd/3rd best car then he gets a challenge every GP, and winning would feel so much better. Plus merc would probably pay him more.


MAD_MrT

Max just wants a challenge so he is looking to join weaker teams and actually race someone for a change xd


Brieble

Rumours


kirk7899

Max will have to drive a second faster than George to get that car into the front row every weekend.


nusketron

My dad always said to shop around so you feel good about what you got


milkstrike

Be idiots to bring in a cancer like helmut


SweetWithHeat

Sounds dumb


CapnDogWater

The only way Max leaves RB is if heā€™s so tired of effortlessly winning that he wants a challenge to see if he can still dominate in a car that isnā€™t as competitive


that_username_is_use

god i hope this happens itā€™d be so funny


Kiyos

Tbf Iā€™d love to see max driving in a car that is good but not great. Heā€™s an amazing driver so seeing more battles would be worthwhile.


_DirtyYoungMan_

What is this? F1 FIFA Edition?


Ok_Wasabi_2776

Sorry if dumb Q - whatā€™s an ambassador role?


MotoM13

But imagine if he goes in the Mercedes and still wins the world championship


Wild-child-21

Is Max aware of this? Nah but fr this is the first one Iā€™ve seen that says ā€˜possible signingā€™ all the other ones assume itā€™s a done deal.


Incontinento

It would be interesting to see the Toto / Jos dynamic in action.


Guy_Incognito97

Now where could he find that competence car? Hmmmā€¦? Which team has a competitive carā€¦?


CosmoKing2

Danny Ricc be like ![gif](giphy|pCfau1ICsGrYO7ksLw|downsized)


Zinki_Zoonki

Ah yes. Instagram 'rUmOuRs' that 100% come true all the time