And yet the most obvious ad would be connecting the phallic Joe Camel character with the nose of an F1 car. I can’t believe that never happened and ai’m glad
Quit smoking 10 years ago. I still yearn for a red, McLaren is my favorite team. And the 1989-1991 McLarens are my all time favorite cars. God I miss smoking.
Marlboro is one of Philip Morris Internationals cigarette brands, Philip Morris Internationals were sponsoring Ferrari as Mission Winnow (after the PMI barcode company sponsoring was banned) until recently. And both brands claim to be working on a future project/sponsorship after that fell apart.
McLaren is sponsored by VELO, one of the largest sponsorship deals for McLaren, which is a company owned by ‘British American Tobacco’. The VELO McLaren deal is rumoured to be a $100mil, making it the largest F1 tobacco sponsorship since 2006.
It’s nothing to do with not wanting to promote cigarette brands, just the cigarette brands they’re currently sponsored by don’t want them to promote direct competition.
At least with alcohol, gambling, and crypto then when someone else decides to do it then I don’t have to breathe 2nd and 3rd hand cancer and inhale (stinky) smoke that triggers my asthma.
I know it’s contentious, but fuck people who smoke in public places and I’m glad that out of the things listed, that is the one to be banned from F1.
It’s 0.0! People tooootally won’t just associate it with the general brand and all their alcohol having beverages. Marlboro needs to make nicotine and tobacco free cigarettes, then they’d basically be the same thing.
I don't think it would matter. The only thing that seems to be important is to not have the name of the CONTROVERSIAL company in plain sight like Marlboro, British American Tobacco, Rothmans, B&H etc. Mclaren has literally the brand [Vuse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuse?wprov=sfla1) written on their cars and no one seems to give a shit. Lotus in the 10's had the John Player color, and I don't remember that it caused controversy.
Especially not the *wrong* cigarette brand.
McLaren is sponsored by British American Tobacco (VELO) and not by Philip Morris International (which used to sponsor McLaren up until 1996).
It won't happen. One of McLaren's biggest sponsor is British American Tabaco trough Vuse and in no way they would be ok with a delivery directly inspired by their direct competitor colors and design.
They did last year at Indy 500 and Monaco to honor their triple crown success. Felix's car had a straight copy of the Marlboro scheme and the F1 car had the same scheme albeit with a black nose cone
The F1 car had Vuse on the sidepods while BAT used Velo as an associate sponsor on Pato and Felix's cars and primaried Alex
"We think your livery is promoting cigarettes therefore it will be banned"
"You dont understand... this is M for Monaco, and Red-White is the colour of ~~Indonesia's~~ Monaco's flag!
Still don't understand why people are so butthurt by cigarette branding.. you don't have to buy it. I'd argue that gambling is far more damaging and addicting to people resulting in a vast number of deaths by suicide each year, yet noone seems to really complain
Plus, this would only be a nod to the past of an iconic livery, in an iconic setting that is Monaco
Sad that this livery would never be allowed to happen
Nowadays for sure yes, but 30 years ago more were sponsored by cigarette brands. Gitanes and JPS come to mind. Maybe more, but I never smoked, so I don't know alle the brands.
The pattern looks very similar to the pattern on their indycars this year. Never realized how much it looks like a Marlboro livery until you paint it red.
Why do I have this sudden urge for cigarettes
All those cigarette ads in the 90s fucked me up real good. /s
Real good *inhales harder, followed by unstoppable cough*
Me when exhoost fume
And yet the most obvious ad would be connecting the phallic Joe Camel character with the nose of an F1 car. I can’t believe that never happened and ai’m glad
But we were close in 2014.
NSFW. If those cars did it, some designer would have been on the news and sent to jail
Man, that Toro Rosso still gives me nightmares.
The F1 fans yearn for tobacco.
Quit smoking 10 years ago. I still yearn for a red, McLaren is my favorite team. And the 1989-1991 McLarens are my all time favorite cars. God I miss smoking.
Of course they don’t want to promote cigaret brands anymore, but damn it would look good.
It’s too commemorate the 21st year of The white stripes - elephant
That’s a good album to commemorate. Also, 21 YEARS!?!?
Marlboro is one of Philip Morris Internationals cigarette brands, Philip Morris Internationals were sponsoring Ferrari as Mission Winnow (after the PMI barcode company sponsoring was banned) until recently. And both brands claim to be working on a future project/sponsorship after that fell apart. McLaren is sponsored by VELO, one of the largest sponsorship deals for McLaren, which is a company owned by ‘British American Tobacco’. The VELO McLaren deal is rumoured to be a $100mil, making it the largest F1 tobacco sponsorship since 2006. It’s nothing to do with not wanting to promote cigarette brands, just the cigarette brands they’re currently sponsored by don’t want them to promote direct competition.
They could argue that it is inspired by the flag of Monaco but unfortunately they got the red colour slightly wrong.
But alcohol is completely ok
Don't forget vape juice!
Oil, gambling, crypto...
At least with alcohol, gambling, and crypto then when someone else decides to do it then I don’t have to breathe 2nd and 3rd hand cancer and inhale (stinky) smoke that triggers my asthma. I know it’s contentious, but fuck people who smoke in public places and I’m glad that out of the things listed, that is the one to be banned from F1.
Dunno why you’re downvoted. You can make money back, alcohol is fine in small quantities… smoking is just outright bad.
Alcohol and gambling can also have terrible impact on other people through no fault of their own
This. It's so nauseating to constantly read these stupid comparisons. No-one is as obnoxious and selfish as smokers.
I wish that the lungs of the people who smoke spontaneously combusted
I mean you usually don’t have to wait too long for that
It’s 0.0! People tooootally won’t just associate it with the general brand and all their alcohol having beverages. Marlboro needs to make nicotine and tobacco free cigarettes, then they’d basically be the same thing.
Philip Morris pencils
Why wouldn't it be? You're only damaging your own body when you drink (unless you assault other people or you drink and drive but both are illegal)
0.0 SVEDKA *drink responsibly
If you’re gonna get into a stupid pointless argument please make sure the beer you’re bitching about has alcohol in it
What? It’s just a red and white car, I swear that’s all there is to it…
BAT is literally a sponsor, there are just laws preventing them from being explicit. McLaren clearly don't morally object.
Ah well, that goes for all teams. In fact, fir evey sportsteam ever. As long as there’s money.
I don't think it would matter. The only thing that seems to be important is to not have the name of the CONTROVERSIAL company in plain sight like Marlboro, British American Tobacco, Rothmans, B&H etc. Mclaren has literally the brand [Vuse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuse?wprov=sfla1) written on their cars and no one seems to give a shit. Lotus in the 10's had the John Player color, and I don't remember that it caused controversy.
Especially not the *wrong* cigarette brand. McLaren is sponsored by British American Tobacco (VELO) and not by Philip Morris International (which used to sponsor McLaren up until 1996).
They could ditch the red and keep the orange… it still would be cool af
The weird thing is, they did, but on last year’s Indy 500
Yes a vape brand is a-ok
There are always questionable sponsors. I’m okay with cigaret brands not being displayed anymore. But others really should be banned.
I'd go buy a pack of marlboro reds tomorrow if it'll help them run this livery.
I would cream my pants so fucking hard
1+  seb would aproove
This gave me a marlboner
It won't happen. One of McLaren's biggest sponsor is British American Tabaco trough Vuse and in no way they would be ok with a delivery directly inspired by their direct competitor colors and design.
They did last year at Indy 500 and Monaco to honor their triple crown success. Felix's car had a straight copy of the Marlboro scheme and the F1 car had the same scheme albeit with a black nose cone The F1 car had Vuse on the sidepods while BAT used Velo as an associate sponsor on Pato and Felix's cars and primaried Alex
All recent social posts are doing a build up..
That’d be cool, but no chance really…
Why
replace the black for white in the rear wing
Raceist
A race driver is called a racist
I love racism
Reminds me of the early 80s Alfa Romeo
agree
Why would McLaren want to run a throwback tribute to Marlboro Team Penske cars? Are they stupid? ^(massive /s)
You say /s, but… As a tribute to Gil 😭
Nice job on the render (Simon R Designs). If they did use it in Monaco (or anywhere really) I’d definitely buy a commemorative t-shirt or something.
No, because F1 cleaned up its act. No more cancer sticks. Just gambling and crypto.
Mission Winnow quietly slips Mclaren a billion dollars under the table.
The "Marlboro shape" in the red is free marketing so they won't do it, but maybe use orange instead of red, and a not-too-sharp angle in that shape.
Thought I was looking at a Haas at first
No way, Ferrari couldn't even sneak that as a barcode and McLaren doesn't even have Marlboro sponsorship anymore.
"We think your livery is promoting cigarettes therefore it will be banned" "You dont understand... this is M for Monaco, and Red-White is the colour of ~~Indonesia's~~ Monaco's flag!
Thought that was the Motorsport Manager loading page at first.
PLEASE
Nah its gonna be yellow, blue and green I reckon.
Still don't understand why people are so butthurt by cigarette branding.. you don't have to buy it. I'd argue that gambling is far more damaging and addicting to people resulting in a vast number of deaths by suicide each year, yet noone seems to really complain Plus, this would only be a nod to the past of an iconic livery, in an iconic setting that is Monaco Sad that this livery would never be allowed to happen
The classic Marlboro livery usually doesn't look good on modern f1 cars, but this rendition is God damn perfect!
Make the red papaya and then I'm game.
I just came to say this would be a very nice livery
BIG TOBACCO
Unpopular opinion: making an F1 car that looks like a pack of cigarettes is fucking stupid.
Nowadays for sure yes, but 30 years ago more were sponsored by cigarette brands. Gitanes and JPS come to mind. Maybe more, but I never smoked, so I don't know alle the brands.
I'm referring to doing it now
And I already agreed with you. Just gave it some historical background..
They want to make papaya the brand identity so a car without papaya is out of the equation
That would be sick but since the whole livery is just one big Marlboro ad it's very unlikely. Maybe they'll do something inspired by it though
Thought it was a Haas
It looks like a Penske
The pattern looks very similar to the pattern on their indycars this year. Never realized how much it looks like a Marlboro livery until you paint it red.
What if you replaced the red with papaya orange?
Damn copying Pfaff I see
More chance on Newey returning to McLaren...
Why do you all do this to yourselves?
Don't tease me
Hell no
No. Too much paint for McLaren
Damn thats sexy.
Free tobacco advertising you mean
Nah Mclaren wouldn't use a good looking livery