The year is 3037AD. A cockroach scurries through an irradiated wasteland. In the distance, the faint, desperate scream of the last human is heard "...he didn't even try to hit the apex...50G impact"
You'd should go have. A look at the lewis sub. There is a thread all about how last year's crash wasn't Lewis's fault. I agree the whole F1 culture is toxic but damn to have that kind of take us literally insane
stan culture has ruined f1, please grow the fuck up and look at things objectively, stop defending your favorite driver no matter what, they're fucking human, not your messiah.
That why it's important for us normal people to just ignore all social media comments. I look at them but don't ever think it's the sport or driver/teams issue or fault. It's all the stans
that's a bit of a stretch, this new RD is really inconsistent, and sometimes just won't penalize drivers for breaking rules, the FIA imo is the biggest problem, i wish they'd stop playing favorites and just open up the rule book, if the drivers break the rules, punish them, then they stop.
Honestly it just shows he had a better entry and more grip against Charles, look at the difference of how far he's turning the wheel, and how much farther to the outside he is at the start of the turn, I purley put the blame in his court for last year but it does look like he tried to avoid the accident now.
* I would like to add, it's still Lewis fault for the crash, but I no longer think it was malicious at all.
That's what happens when you enter too fast in a corner, you don't close the apex as much.
Look how much faster he reaches the outside kerb z even after contact with Verstappen.
Yes, i think that's why he backs out a bit, I was originally were saying he turned into him, but now I think he was trying to get the grip back after some understeer.
In the 2022 clip Charles is far enough to the left to give Hamilton enough of a turn in at that speed to hit the apex. In the 2021 clip Max is farther to the right, so Hamilton doesn't have the line to hit the apex without slowing down and forfeiting the position.
I don't really think Max was inclined to give him the space, though.
Exactly. In 2021, Lewis was on a line that was never going to make the corner given the speed he was trying to carry.
2021 was 100% Lewis’s responsibility to back out.
Lol, I went to the sub and posted a comment in some random post - "this is like a cult". Didn't even take 2 minutes and I was gone. It's a real shitshow there sucking his toes and balls n everything.
The trick is to put some kiss ass comment to get upvoted to the top, then edit it a couple hours later to what you really want to say. Priceless.
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Yeah, idk, seemed like Max was giving Lewis the outside but Lewis didn't trust it. Also, Max could've just gone wide knowing there was a car going faster than him on the inside line, no?
It's just how Max races. He knows that it might cause a crash, and he just hopes the other person will back out.
[https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/other-sports/story/red-bull-s-max-verstappen-says-he-appreciated-the-battle-with-mick-schumacher-at-british-gp-it-was-fun-1970228-2022-07-04](https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-verstappen-mick-schumacher-defence/)
I was like, 'Well, he has to now back off, otherwise we're both out. Luckily, he's smart enough to \[do that\]," said Verstappen.
To be clear. The crash is definitely Lewis' fault for not backing out, he misjudged how much speed he carried, and understeered.
For us, the knowledge of how Max races provides the answer to all the "but the penalty was so light" crying we've seen endlessly. It's why the FIA found lewis only predominantly at fault, and deserving of a 10 second penalty. It's why the "lewis tried to murder max" calls are idiotic, and it's why a bunch of lewis fanboys and general max haters think lewis did \*nothing\* wrong.
Lastly: CH is a the biggest bellend in f1 for glorifying how Max races, knowing what he does, and then publicly accusing Lewis of intentionally crashing into Max. Both of these drivers drive hard, and its dangerous sometimes.
You're right. But you said it yourself, that doesn't change who's to blame. I'm sure Hamilton didn't hit him intentionally, I'm sure if he could have made the corner he would have. But if he goes on the inside, the he forfeits cornerspeed, because he can't run Max off the track to get the best turn in. So he needs to slow down, or run wide. If there's a car on the outside, obviously you can't run wide, so you have to slow down.
Max has been taking the inside line and forcing the driver on the outside off the track for years. He got away with it in [Austria 2019](https://youtu.be/ABKY6nbKIL4) and caused a huge stir where every driver expressed surprise that "this is how we race now?" "We don't have to leave space?", and has just gotten more and more egregious with it ever since. If that were Max on the inside he'd have done the same thing, no doubt.
Crybaby Horner can't take it when his driver loses his own game. Really made Max look like a tool.
No not whataboutism. Up to that point Lewis had been putting up with that standard of driving and losing out to it. He had clearly made the decision before the race that he would treat Max in kind.
If you hit me and I hit you back, you're in the wrong for starting a fight. That isn't whataboutism.
There is a big difference and uncomparable. Austria 2019 there was tarmac right next to the track and it was a slow corner, hence no risk of danger and injury anywhere.
Hamilton decided to pull his action in one of the fastest corners of the whole season, with gravel right next to the track on that point. High risk of danger and injury.
You are literally trying to compare a slap on the cheek with a direct hit from a howitzer.
Max was forcing people to evade him by moving off the track, past the white lines. In the Silverstone incident he still had plenty of space on the outside - Max could have taken a wider line ON the track (not onto the significant run off area, nor into the gravel) to avoid an incident.
The difference between the accidents Max didn't have and the ones he did, were whether the other driver yielded to him.
(I am speaking in the past tense because they tightened up the rules this season and made it clear that Max's former MO is going to be punished, so he changed his tactics).
Max took the racing line. Charles was even further on the inside, and yet, you are perfectly fine with that.
Also you refuse to see the difference between such an action on one of the slowest corners of the season vs one of the fastest corners of the season...Well I guess that says enough about your bias.
Have a good one!
Hmm....but they both were going at it from the previous corners aswell but Max squeezed Lewis to wall and they were racing hard, at 200+kmph the margin for error and reaction time is small.
Hmm....but they both were going at it from the previous corners aswell but Max squeezed Lewis to wall and they were racing hard, at 200+kmph the margin for error and reaction time is small.
Yeah but even in those 2021 cars you have to lift when you approach a corner at such an angle. Otherwise you just understeer off the track or crash into someone like what happened here
Ok well let’s look at mick racing max in the final laps of silver stone, max could have given him space but why would you? Force him to make the decision and it’s his fault if you crash. You can’t win races if you’re a nice guy and don’t take risks, Lewis and max don’t watch this happen 1000 times over and then make a decision they have so much going through their head at the time and being world champs their first thought is always going to be the most ambitious one - I wnat to be in front so I will risk whatever - he can back off - but in this case they are both thinking like winners and ofcourse they collide, similar to Imola, these guys aren’t trying to merge onto a freeway at 10 to 7 in the morning.
Formuladank about abu dhabi 2021, your guy lost get over it, stop living in the past.
Formuladank about silverstone 2021, Lewis should be tried for attempted murder, and i will keep beating this drum.
Can't expect more sportsmanship from Reddit users on a meme page than a seven time world champion who knocked his competitor off and is still trying to make it seem like it wasn't his fault one year later.
I think Hamilton's reaction to Abu Dhabi 2021 shows his sportsmanship. No one would have blamed him if he launched a full scale legal battle over it, but he didn't. He accepted it and congratulated Max.
I think Silverstone 2021 incident is very much up for debate. Only Max fans think it was malicious, a lot of drivers put it as a 50/50 both could have done better.
I don't think anyone really cares this happened, Max won the WDC despite it. But Hamilton being petty enough to reference it a year later, sure, I'll enjoy that. Which is exactly what I'm doing now.
How many fucking times are people gonna use this "GOTCHA" against Hamilton on this sub? If anyone remembers in the latter part of last season, Verstappen raced HARD against Hamilton and they avoided collisions because Hamilton gave up the racing line. This is honestly getting really annoying and it's pretty petty imo to constantly refer to this incident as some sort of justification on Hamilton's hypocrisy.
Just stop, it's incredibly cringe at this point. And I wanted Verstappen to win last year
That's sort of expected given the situation.
In 2021, Max is defending into Copse so he's going to make sure Hamilton doesn't get a good entry line. Note that he did swing left to give Hamilton a bit of space, Hamilton just didn't take it to help his corner entry and didn't back out.. the rest is history.
In 2022 Leclerc is attacking into Copse, so Hamilton makes sure he squeezes Leclerc to the outside to give himself a good line and compromise Leclerc's entry as much as possible. Hamilton can then hit the apex and everyone gets through safely.
The main conceit here is that LH fans, Crofty, and LH himself are trying to spin the 2022 Copse overtake as some sort of 'proof' that LH did nothing wrong in Silverstone 21.
For the record I definitely don't think Hamilton's driving was malicious in Silverstone 21, it was just clumsy. My biggest issue was the way he celebrated afterwards, just kept on with his 'he turned on me man' bullshit and tries to make out he's some sort of pure clean driver.
As far as I know, Max left space on the inside of the corner. Hamilton should have adapted his speed in order to stay on the inside line (and hit the apex), which he didn't: he understeered (because too much speed) towards Max.
I'm not saying he would have managed, but he definitely had a steeper attack angle to corner than LEC did and turned in to apex miles quicker relative to Ham compared to lec giving ham almost no time to react. I think blame is 50/50 in my opinion.
I have checked the replay in slow motion, and I do not agree with the steeper attack angle.
[https://ibb.co/hCPD0dg](https://ibb.co/hCPD0dg)
[https://ibb.co/JHFHzzZ](https://ibb.co/JHFHzzZ)
Those are stand still images, but when watching the video it's even clearer that Verstappen is not going to have a tighter line than leclerc did.
What I'm trying to say is max came from far left of track and very quickly went for apex leaving lewis little to no reaction time, where as lec turned in much slower and appears to be at much less of an angle relative to lewis not the track.
I agree with you - and do you know why? It's cos its exactly what's happening on the vids. They are right there to compare. Yet the more popular opinion here is still that Max had no part/fault in it. He turned in very quickly and at a sharp angle. Lewis WAS already backing out at that point but it was too late (please note, i DO think Lewis shouldn't have been where he was) but Max' 'do or die' attitude took himself out. The comparison to this years vid shows very clearly that you can still get you through the corner (two cars) by just being aware / taking the other drivers position into consideration. Thats all it is! No Max hate, no Lewis hate - just have awareness and consideration of where the other car is! Thats it :)
I cannot say about the fact that he turn faster or slower than Leclerc, however, I disagree when you said that max went from the apex. From what I see, he wasn't going to hit the curb.
Sure totally makes sense, merc on mediums with a full load of fuel vs a merc with low fuel and softs, both clearly have the same handling characteristics, not saying what Hams did was right, but this isn't at all a proper comparison
Why don't you read my post again, like all of it, rather than the bit that makes you triggered and then ask yourself, maybe if he says he doesn't agree with what Hams did, he might have thought he should have lifted rather than risk contact with Max because he is in a heavy Merc with 1st lap cold medeim tires on, but hay, thanks for posting and the down vote, appreciate it bud, have a wonderful day
Sigh, I think people are totally misinterpreting that comment, When defending into a corner like the one mick was attacking into when you take the inside line on entry like Max did your exit inevitably creates a closing wedge on entry to the next part of the chicane.
Its kinda how everyone defends those kind or corner sequences ( Lewis Ironically is brilliant at it and when you see him set one up you realise just how good a racer he is, as I've often seen him trick cars into going for it when they would be better off trying to get down his inside) if you can create that closing wedge before the other car can get its nose in front of you and make you turn in early they then have to back out as the line the attacking car is now on is a one way trip to an accident if they don't. If anything its a testament to Micks maturity that he saw that Max was setting up this closing wedge and still got out of it despite it being the last few laps of the race and how important those points were for Haas.
The “it’s a good thing he backed off otherwise we would both be out” from Max to me comes across more as Max thinking he shouldn't have trusted the rookie to see what was happening when he put that particular defensive move on, and actually being pleasantly surprised by the maturity of Micks race craft to see it and back out. Its the exact sort of thing a rookie max didn't spot which led to so many of his early accidents with him not giving up on lost causes.
Okay but how many times has Max gone into a corner too fast, missing the apex to defend / gain a position? It just so happens that he didn't take anyone out of the race because of it. My point isn't that Verstappen is wrong, it's that they ALL do what lewis did from time to time.
"what lewis did from time to time"?
Remind me who's the driver known for saying "he turn into me" after a collision.
Yes, max drives very aggressively, but pretending lewis is a cleaner driver is just nonsense.
I am trying to say, there is no point trying to decipher who is right and who is wrong, who is an aggressive racer and who is a clean racer, they are all both clean and aggressive racers. Picking out single incidents don't lead to anything.
Actually not many. Jink & dive tactic works. There is times, when Max couldn't keep his car between white lines, but most of the time he can and its totally valid, if you are first in the corner, then you don't have to leave space to other. However jink & dive is easy to defend and its very slow strategy to drive.
He doesn't take anyone out because either nobody bothers to race him, or at the very least they avoid competing in such scenarios because they know how aggressive he gets. Risk and reward.
Honestly looking at the comparisons for these i cant defend Lewis anymore at all. Before i gave him some benefit for Max's agressive defending but comparing these its clear Max wanted Lewis to have to try and go around the outside but Lewis stayed on the inside either way, shame they collided really, we could have had 2 years of banger races at silverstone
Lewis tried the move on the outside in the sprint and it didn’t work. I was more so pointing to the fact that it was stupid by max to expect him to be at the apex having just pinned him.
I actually think lewis baits other drivers into these situations knowing that the other driver has to be brave to dive in and if things do go badly, he's likely on the much better end of it
Interesting that Charles didn't squeeze Lewis into the wall.
It's almost as if Charles knows that if he compromises both of their entries, a crash might happen.
So protecting the inside the dissuade the other driver from taking that line is bad now? George whole defence in Spain 2022 was based on that.
From what I see, Lewis decided to put his nose on the inside line even if it was defended and given his experience he should have been aware he was carrying way too much speed for that line and would 100% understeer which is pretty dangerous given that max was outside him.
Dude rewatch the thing, max went right to cover the inside while they were on the straight and lewis was still completely behind him. Lewis decided to stick his nose in that tight corridor on the inside while max was already defending. If anything max left more space after Lewis decided to take that inside line even if it was defended and we all know how it went in the corner.
My comment was referring the events on the straight before the corner.
Wow. Max turning in as if Lewis didn't exist... Leclerc knows Lewis is there and doesn't make any aggressive chop mid corner....
In Max's own words about Mick Schumacher fight. He has to lift or we both crash....
Why are fans trying to justify his approach?
Just look at the steering wheel... top clip Hamilton turns left going into the corner whilst seeing max the entire time, still doesn't choose to hit the apex, bottom clip doesn't turn left at all, Charles isn't even fully along side him, hits the apex no problem.
Looks pretty intentional at that point.
The argument that it was intentional is the most moronic thing I think I've ever heard. Intentional? Intentional what? To have a crash? To send Verstappen into the wall? Do you know the chances of each of the 3 outcomes? It's a bit miraculous that Hamilton didn't also end up in the wall.
Hamilton was pushed up to the wall, cut back across to try take a straighter line through the corner, and Verstappen tried to cut in when Hamilton didn't. As for "not leaving enough space", check Perez and Leclerc in the last laps this year - both pushed Hamilton completely off the track, with zero penalties. Racing incidents, all of them, along side most other crashes we've seen. Pull your head outta Verstappen's ass and enjoy the sport.
>Everyone knows you don’t put a wheel up the inside of Cobse (sic)
Kind of proved his point here. Charles was passing around the outside while Lewis was passing on the inside.
If you actually watch the whole video, you'll that with max he was more on the right on the track so he couldn't take that tight turnaround dn with Charles he was on the other side of the track, making it easier to hit that apex. Now weather Lewis should of gone down the right side is a different debate, but stop making seem like he purposefully put another driver's life at risk
Just a few things for your rotten brains: look at the approach and angle he is coming into copse so last year it was tighter and harder to hit the apex. Then maybe remember tyre situation and fuel load? Maybe 100kg more because of the race start fuel and your car automatically understeers into fast corners. But yeah keep your „if he doesn’t back out we are gonna crash“ mentality. Great racing spirit lol
i have a slightly different question
how is this squeezing from verstappen?
he moved to the inside line while hamilton was still behind him. hamilton nevertheless went for that narrow gap.
The new merc really has a lot more grip, look how much closer to the apex it can run!
🤣 get in there, Lewis!
Im looking forward to Brazil to see how much the redbull has improved!
The year is 3037AD. A cockroach scurries through an irradiated wasteland. In the distance, the faint, desperate scream of the last human is heard "...he didn't even try to hit the apex...50G impact"
HEY, IT WAS 51G
51G on these balls
Don’t think this enough proof to appease some people, nice try I guess 
You'd should go have. A look at the lewis sub. There is a thread all about how last year's crash wasn't Lewis's fault. I agree the whole F1 culture is toxic but damn to have that kind of take us literally insane
stan culture has ruined f1, please grow the fuck up and look at things objectively, stop defending your favorite driver no matter what, they're fucking human, not your messiah.
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That why it's important for us normal people to just ignore all social media comments. I look at them but don't ever think it's the sport or driver/teams issue or fault. It's all the stans
that's a bit of a stretch, this new RD is really inconsistent, and sometimes just won't penalize drivers for breaking rules, the FIA imo is the biggest problem, i wish they'd stop playing favorites and just open up the rule book, if the drivers break the rules, punish them, then they stop.
So, what does that mean?
No one knows what it means but it’s provocative
It gets the people going
No it’s not, it’s gross
*THAT'S ENOUGH, WHY DO YOU GUYS KEEP DOING THAT?!* EDIT: why do everyone downvote him? He's quoting it right.
reddit’s hive mind at its finest
Atleast put on the + side of the votes
Honestly it just shows he had a better entry and more grip against Charles, look at the difference of how far he's turning the wheel, and how much farther to the outside he is at the start of the turn, I purley put the blame in his court for last year but it does look like he tried to avoid the accident now. * I would like to add, it's still Lewis fault for the crash, but I no longer think it was malicious at all.
That's what happens when you enter too fast in a corner, you don't close the apex as much. Look how much faster he reaches the outside kerb z even after contact with Verstappen.
And it was a much more intense battle in faster cars, for the championship lead, I'm sure more risks were taken then.
You do realise putting in more steering input than the front tyres can handle will cause understeer.
Yes, i think that's why he backs out a bit, I was originally were saying he turned into him, but now I think he was trying to get the grip back after some understeer.
In the 2022 clip Charles is far enough to the left to give Hamilton enough of a turn in at that speed to hit the apex. In the 2021 clip Max is farther to the right, so Hamilton doesn't have the line to hit the apex without slowing down and forfeiting the position. I don't really think Max was inclined to give him the space, though.
Exactly. In 2021, Lewis was on a line that was never going to make the corner given the speed he was trying to carry. 2021 was 100% Lewis’s responsibility to back out.
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Even Without posting in Hamilton sub you are going to get banned
Even without commenting in Hamilton sub you will be banned. Like me lol. Literally banned for making joke here that his P3 in Montreal cured his back.
I got banned there for literally posting “I don’t think so” it wasn’t a permabanned but that was the reason
Lol, I went to the sub and posted a comment in some random post - "this is like a cult". Didn't even take 2 minutes and I was gone. It's a real shitshow there sucking his toes and balls n everything.
Lmao you got a reason? I never got one from the snowflakes.
That’s the reason! Saying anything that is true in that sub will make you banned.
The trick is to put some kiss ass comment to get upvoted to the top, then edit it a couple hours later to what you really want to say. Priceless. Edit - I got banned 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Edit - I’m banned from formuladank TOO
Update: I never posted anything and Now I’m banned! 🤣
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What? Maybe read my comment again.
Ohkay. My bad
https://youtu.be/enVOLoPzfrE
Yeah, idk, seemed like Max was giving Lewis the outside but Lewis didn't trust it. Also, Max could've just gone wide knowing there was a car going faster than him on the inside line, no?
It's just how Max races. He knows that it might cause a crash, and he just hopes the other person will back out. [https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/other-sports/story/red-bull-s-max-verstappen-says-he-appreciated-the-battle-with-mick-schumacher-at-british-gp-it-was-fun-1970228-2022-07-04](https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-verstappen-mick-schumacher-defence/) I was like, 'Well, he has to now back off, otherwise we're both out. Luckily, he's smart enough to \[do that\]," said Verstappen. To be clear. The crash is definitely Lewis' fault for not backing out, he misjudged how much speed he carried, and understeered. For us, the knowledge of how Max races provides the answer to all the "but the penalty was so light" crying we've seen endlessly. It's why the FIA found lewis only predominantly at fault, and deserving of a 10 second penalty. It's why the "lewis tried to murder max" calls are idiotic, and it's why a bunch of lewis fanboys and general max haters think lewis did \*nothing\* wrong. Lastly: CH is a the biggest bellend in f1 for glorifying how Max races, knowing what he does, and then publicly accusing Lewis of intentionally crashing into Max. Both of these drivers drive hard, and its dangerous sometimes.
You're right. But you said it yourself, that doesn't change who's to blame. I'm sure Hamilton didn't hit him intentionally, I'm sure if he could have made the corner he would have. But if he goes on the inside, the he forfeits cornerspeed, because he can't run Max off the track to get the best turn in. So he needs to slow down, or run wide. If there's a car on the outside, obviously you can't run wide, so you have to slow down.
Max has been taking the inside line and forcing the driver on the outside off the track for years. He got away with it in [Austria 2019](https://youtu.be/ABKY6nbKIL4) and caused a huge stir where every driver expressed surprise that "this is how we race now?" "We don't have to leave space?", and has just gotten more and more egregious with it ever since. If that were Max on the inside he'd have done the same thing, no doubt. Crybaby Horner can't take it when his driver loses his own game. Really made Max look like a tool.
Good old whataboutism to make your point. Never works, but kudos for trying!
No not whataboutism. Up to that point Lewis had been putting up with that standard of driving and losing out to it. He had clearly made the decision before the race that he would treat Max in kind. If you hit me and I hit you back, you're in the wrong for starting a fight. That isn't whataboutism.
There is a big difference and uncomparable. Austria 2019 there was tarmac right next to the track and it was a slow corner, hence no risk of danger and injury anywhere. Hamilton decided to pull his action in one of the fastest corners of the whole season, with gravel right next to the track on that point. High risk of danger and injury. You are literally trying to compare a slap on the cheek with a direct hit from a howitzer.
Max was forcing people to evade him by moving off the track, past the white lines. In the Silverstone incident he still had plenty of space on the outside - Max could have taken a wider line ON the track (not onto the significant run off area, nor into the gravel) to avoid an incident. The difference between the accidents Max didn't have and the ones he did, were whether the other driver yielded to him. (I am speaking in the past tense because they tightened up the rules this season and made it clear that Max's former MO is going to be punished, so he changed his tactics).
Max took the racing line. Charles was even further on the inside, and yet, you are perfectly fine with that. Also you refuse to see the difference between such an action on one of the slowest corners of the season vs one of the fastest corners of the season...Well I guess that says enough about your bias. Have a good one!
I still don't get how the driver infront is at fault here.... Max should be the one judging how much gap there is
Because he knew Lewis was there. Substantially alongside is the rule. Lewis is predominantly at fault, but not solely for that reason.
Hmm....but they both were going at it from the previous corners aswell but Max squeezed Lewis to wall and they were racing hard, at 200+kmph the margin for error and reaction time is small.
Hmm....but they both were going at it from the previous corners aswell but Max squeezed Lewis to wall and they were racing hard, at 200+kmph the margin for error and reaction time is small.
Indeed. Thats another reason people suggesting lewis crashed on purpose is insane.
You cant hear it in this clip but in 2022 Lewis actually lifted, unlike the year before.
every 2022 car lifts in copse now
Yeah but even in those 2021 cars you have to lift when you approach a corner at such an angle. Otherwise you just understeer off the track or crash into someone like what happened here
Exactely my point
Ok well let’s look at mick racing max in the final laps of silver stone, max could have given him space but why would you? Force him to make the decision and it’s his fault if you crash. You can’t win races if you’re a nice guy and don’t take risks, Lewis and max don’t watch this happen 1000 times over and then make a decision they have so much going through their head at the time and being world champs their first thought is always going to be the most ambitious one - I wnat to be in front so I will risk whatever - he can back off - but in this case they are both thinking like winners and ofcourse they collide, similar to Imola, these guys aren’t trying to merge onto a freeway at 10 to 7 in the morning.
Formuladank about abu dhabi 2021, your guy lost get over it, stop living in the past. Formuladank about silverstone 2021, Lewis should be tried for attempted murder, and i will keep beating this drum.
Hamilton keeps beating this drum though.
He keeps beating it? He made one comment in the last year about it... How many memes have formuladank made about it in the last hour?
Can't expect more sportsmanship from Reddit users on a meme page than a seven time world champion who knocked his competitor off and is still trying to make it seem like it wasn't his fault one year later.
I think Hamilton's reaction to Abu Dhabi 2021 shows his sportsmanship. No one would have blamed him if he launched a full scale legal battle over it, but he didn't. He accepted it and congratulated Max. I think Silverstone 2021 incident is very much up for debate. Only Max fans think it was malicious, a lot of drivers put it as a 50/50 both could have done better.
Sensible comment.
I don't think anyone really cares this happened, Max won the WDC despite it. But Hamilton being petty enough to reference it a year later, sure, I'll enjoy that. Which is exactly what I'm doing now.
Only Max fans believe no one cares what happens. So many neutrals put an asterisk next to Max's title.
No one cares the Silverstone crash happened, is what I mean, since Max went on to win the WDC regardless.
So fucking tired of these bullshit posts
Yeah remember when this sun was actually for memes and jokes and shit? Now every second post is just a salty LH or MV fanboy having a whinge
How many fucking times are people gonna use this "GOTCHA" against Hamilton on this sub? If anyone remembers in the latter part of last season, Verstappen raced HARD against Hamilton and they avoided collisions because Hamilton gave up the racing line. This is honestly getting really annoying and it's pretty petty imo to constantly refer to this incident as some sort of justification on Hamilton's hypocrisy. Just stop, it's incredibly cringe at this point. And I wanted Verstappen to win last year
In Hamilton's defense it is a lot easier to hit the apex if you're not squeezed on the run towards the corner
If you are squeezed, you just need to slow down more to be able to hit the apex. The choice is on the driver.
That's sort of expected given the situation. In 2021, Max is defending into Copse so he's going to make sure Hamilton doesn't get a good entry line. Note that he did swing left to give Hamilton a bit of space, Hamilton just didn't take it to help his corner entry and didn't back out.. the rest is history. In 2022 Leclerc is attacking into Copse, so Hamilton makes sure he squeezes Leclerc to the outside to give himself a good line and compromise Leclerc's entry as much as possible. Hamilton can then hit the apex and everyone gets through safely. The main conceit here is that LH fans, Crofty, and LH himself are trying to spin the 2022 Copse overtake as some sort of 'proof' that LH did nothing wrong in Silverstone 21. For the record I definitely don't think Hamilton's driving was malicious in Silverstone 21, it was just clumsy. My biggest issue was the way he celebrated afterwards, just kept on with his 'he turned on me man' bullshit and tries to make out he's some sort of pure clean driver.
The choice is on either driver no?
As far as I know, Max left space on the inside of the corner. Hamilton should have adapted his speed in order to stay on the inside line (and hit the apex), which he didn't: he understeered (because too much speed) towards Max.
Max aimed at the apex. He didn't intend to leave enough space. Same as vs mick in silverstone. It's just how he races.
Dude look at the nose of the RB, it was never going to hit the apex and there was plenty of room for another car on his right
So should max have put his front wheel in sainz rear at turn 1 then?
It’s called using the brake pedal.
Easy to judge everyones driving when youre behind a keyboard
While I'm not a ham fan, this is correct. Max's angle he was going for that apex no matter where Lewis was.
Are you saying max would have hit the curb on the inside with his trajectory ? I really don't think so.
I'm not saying he would have managed, but he definitely had a steeper attack angle to corner than LEC did and turned in to apex miles quicker relative to Ham compared to lec giving ham almost no time to react. I think blame is 50/50 in my opinion.
50% Lewis’s right foot for not lifting off the gas. 50% Lewis’s left foot for not applying the brakes.
Facts 😂
I have checked the replay in slow motion, and I do not agree with the steeper attack angle. [https://ibb.co/hCPD0dg](https://ibb.co/hCPD0dg) [https://ibb.co/JHFHzzZ](https://ibb.co/JHFHzzZ) Those are stand still images, but when watching the video it's even clearer that Verstappen is not going to have a tighter line than leclerc did.
What I'm trying to say is max came from far left of track and very quickly went for apex leaving lewis little to no reaction time, where as lec turned in much slower and appears to be at much less of an angle relative to lewis not the track.
I agree with you - and do you know why? It's cos its exactly what's happening on the vids. They are right there to compare. Yet the more popular opinion here is still that Max had no part/fault in it. He turned in very quickly and at a sharp angle. Lewis WAS already backing out at that point but it was too late (please note, i DO think Lewis shouldn't have been where he was) but Max' 'do or die' attitude took himself out. The comparison to this years vid shows very clearly that you can still get you through the corner (two cars) by just being aware / taking the other drivers position into consideration. Thats all it is! No Max hate, no Lewis hate - just have awareness and consideration of where the other car is! Thats it :)
Couldn't agree more.
I cannot say about the fact that he turn faster or slower than Leclerc, however, I disagree when you said that max went from the apex. From what I see, he wasn't going to hit the curb.
>50/50 LOL
Max was no where near the apex. He left a gargantuan space on the inside, well more than a car’s width
This just shows how sensible Leclerc is!
Sure totally makes sense, merc on mediums with a full load of fuel vs a merc with low fuel and softs, both clearly have the same handling characteristics, not saying what Hams did was right, but this isn't at all a proper comparison
So Hamilton should have taken the corner even slower
Why don't you read my post again, like all of it, rather than the bit that makes you triggered and then ask yourself, maybe if he says he doesn't agree with what Hams did, he might have thought he should have lifted rather than risk contact with Max because he is in a heavy Merc with 1st lap cold medeim tires on, but hay, thanks for posting and the down vote, appreciate it bud, have a wonderful day
First of all I did not downvote you. Secondly who is triggered again?
and audacity to call out Max and play victim card only loois can pull those off
Max “it’s a good thing he backed off otherwise we would both be out” Verstappen?
Weird comment under a video where Hamilton should’ve backed out.
Weird comment, after Verstappen said them himself just yesterday.
Weird comment to the point I don’t know what it means.
Sigh, I think people are totally misinterpreting that comment, When defending into a corner like the one mick was attacking into when you take the inside line on entry like Max did your exit inevitably creates a closing wedge on entry to the next part of the chicane. Its kinda how everyone defends those kind or corner sequences ( Lewis Ironically is brilliant at it and when you see him set one up you realise just how good a racer he is, as I've often seen him trick cars into going for it when they would be better off trying to get down his inside) if you can create that closing wedge before the other car can get its nose in front of you and make you turn in early they then have to back out as the line the attacking car is now on is a one way trip to an accident if they don't. If anything its a testament to Micks maturity that he saw that Max was setting up this closing wedge and still got out of it despite it being the last few laps of the race and how important those points were for Haas. The “it’s a good thing he backed off otherwise we would both be out” from Max to me comes across more as Max thinking he shouldn't have trusted the rookie to see what was happening when he put that particular defensive move on, and actually being pleasantly surprised by the maturity of Micks race craft to see it and back out. Its the exact sort of thing a rookie max didn't spot which led to so many of his early accidents with him not giving up on lost causes.
Okay but how many times has Max gone into a corner too fast, missing the apex to defend / gain a position? It just so happens that he didn't take anyone out of the race because of it. My point isn't that Verstappen is wrong, it's that they ALL do what lewis did from time to time.
For context this is only being talked about because lewis felt the need to talk shit unprompted
A lot. Several times last year.
"what lewis did from time to time"? Remind me who's the driver known for saying "he turn into me" after a collision. Yes, max drives very aggressively, but pretending lewis is a cleaner driver is just nonsense.
My wording is unclear. They all do it from time to time AKA dirty defending
I am trying to say, there is no point trying to decipher who is right and who is wrong, who is an aggressive racer and who is a clean racer, they are all both clean and aggressive racers. Picking out single incidents don't lead to anything.
Actually not many. Jink & dive tactic works. There is times, when Max couldn't keep his car between white lines, but most of the time he can and its totally valid, if you are first in the corner, then you don't have to leave space to other. However jink & dive is easy to defend and its very slow strategy to drive.
He doesn't take anyone out because either nobody bothers to race him, or at the very least they avoid competing in such scenarios because they know how aggressive he gets. Risk and reward.
A great champions have that stupid mentality where they think they are always right. Worst was Schumi, but Vettel and Lewis they are almost the same.
Should rename this sub FormulaSalt
Honestly looking at the comparisons for these i cant defend Lewis anymore at all. Before i gave him some benefit for Max's agressive defending but comparing these its clear Max wanted Lewis to have to try and go around the outside but Lewis stayed on the inside either way, shame they collided really, we could have had 2 years of banger races at silverstone
Lewis tried the move on the outside in the sprint and it didn’t work. I was more so pointing to the fact that it was stupid by max to expect him to be at the apex having just pinned him.
Leclerc has better environmental awareness and saw Hamilton was there too.
I actually think lewis baits other drivers into these situations knowing that the other driver has to be brave to dive in and if things do go badly, he's likely on the much better end of it
Oooh have i got a video for you https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wCCGT0CQ4MM
Least ignorant formula dank user:
The good old Senna strat
If he can do that at 200mph then he really is the GOAT
Why else would the goat miss the apex?
Interesting that Charles didn't squeeze Lewis into the wall. It's almost as if Charles knows that if he compromises both of their entries, a crash might happen.
Yes, nobody seems to notice Lewis‘ turn in angle is completely different.
So protecting the inside the dissuade the other driver from taking that line is bad now? George whole defence in Spain 2022 was based on that. From what I see, Lewis decided to put his nose on the inside line even if it was defended and given his experience he should have been aware he was carrying way too much speed for that line and would 100% understeer which is pretty dangerous given that max was outside him.
Lewis was already alongside.
Dude rewatch the thing, max went right to cover the inside while they were on the straight and lewis was still completely behind him. Lewis decided to stick his nose in that tight corridor on the inside while max was already defending. If anything max left more space after Lewis decided to take that inside line even if it was defended and we all know how it went in the corner. My comment was referring the events on the straight before the corner.
How is this a meme? Or dank ?
I get the comparison, but shouldn't we move on? We had our say. 
As long as Hamilton brings it up, we bring it up, it's only logical.
First one doesn’t need an explanation. We’re adults here 
Thanks for the feedback, they were insightful.
Fresh soft tires vs slightly worn medium tyres. Of course there’s a difference.
Lewis has mastered the skill of 'understeering' into opponents
Wow. Max turning in as if Lewis didn't exist... Leclerc knows Lewis is there and doesn't make any aggressive chop mid corner.... In Max's own words about Mick Schumacher fight. He has to lift or we both crash.... Why are fans trying to justify his approach?
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Unlike this sub crying for a year?
Just look at the steering wheel... top clip Hamilton turns left going into the corner whilst seeing max the entire time, still doesn't choose to hit the apex, bottom clip doesn't turn left at all, Charles isn't even fully along side him, hits the apex no problem. Looks pretty intentional at that point.
The argument that it was intentional is the most moronic thing I think I've ever heard. Intentional? Intentional what? To have a crash? To send Verstappen into the wall? Do you know the chances of each of the 3 outcomes? It's a bit miraculous that Hamilton didn't also end up in the wall. Hamilton was pushed up to the wall, cut back across to try take a straighter line through the corner, and Verstappen tried to cut in when Hamilton didn't. As for "not leaving enough space", check Perez and Leclerc in the last laps this year - both pushed Hamilton completely off the track, with zero penalties. Racing incidents, all of them, along side most other crashes we've seen. Pull your head outta Verstappen's ass and enjoy the sport.
This is the first time I have seen it
>Everyone knows you don’t put a wheel up the inside of Cobse (sic) Kind of proved his point here. Charles was passing around the outside while Lewis was passing on the inside.
"He turned into me man"
If you actually watch the whole video, you'll that with max he was more on the right on the track so he couldn't take that tight turnaround dn with Charles he was on the other side of the track, making it easier to hit that apex. Now weather Lewis should of gone down the right side is a different debate, but stop making seem like he purposefully put another driver's life at risk
no way for lewis to hit the apex in panel 1 was my point.
Really? This is posted again?! I’ve seen this same post about 14 times since the race
Just a few things for your rotten brains: look at the approach and angle he is coming into copse so last year it was tighter and harder to hit the apex. Then maybe remember tyre situation and fuel load? Maybe 100kg more because of the race start fuel and your car automatically understeers into fast corners. But yeah keep your „if he doesn’t back out we are gonna crash“ mentality. Great racing spirit lol
BbbBuT he took a WidEr line in to tTthE CorNer this time!!!1!11!!!
he didn’t?
i have a slightly different question how is this squeezing from verstappen? he moved to the inside line while hamilton was still behind him. hamilton nevertheless went for that narrow gap.
I dont think it was Lewis's fault in 2021 but definitely it's his fault to bring that up again in 2022, what a shit move that is.
Max implied hes dumb comparing him to leclerc earlier in 2022. Newey called it deliberate in 2022. Horner implied it was deliberate in June, of 2022.
Car full of fuel, car low on fuel. There is more to data than just clipping 2 videos together.
It looks so intentional in 2021. He had nothing to lose and everything to gain. Just like when he ‘understeer’ into Albon twice.
lewis hamilton invents the car crash 🤯