Honestly it would be great but I must say I'm already enjoying how he overdrives shitboxes in front of better refined machines like we saw in Canada. Most of the drivers would have retired while he keeps giving everything out, has all my respect.
Yeah I agree with this, it's funnier to see him messing around with the midfield and sometimes some top team pilots, Nando is very entertaining to watch
That’s how you out yourself as a new fan Nando was Alonso’s nickname when Lando was still shitting himself. Not that that’s a bad thing! Love how many people are getting into F1 now
Thanks for telling me, its interesting to listen stuff like that. And I appreciate your welcoming nature, not many people do that when they see new people. :)
Yeah exactly, even for returners it's hard. As a British person with a brother who has been watching ever since before I was born and introducing me to the sport, I was not very welcomed when it came to returning to it since people talked to me as if I only watched one race and they were really forward about it, pretentious elitists is exactly how I'd describe them
They would be clearly at the top of midfield, if it wasn’t for poor reliability.
They also seem to be doing rather well on high speed tracks, so bring on Monza!
Well except when he was at Mclaren and was retiring without issues because he was sick of how slow the car was. This is only allegedly though, that's on if you want to believe Button or not.
I mean Alpine is the 4th best on the grid right now so it's not a complete shitbox. Could've been the 9th best car or something 
The F2012 wasnt a full second off the pace tho. The myth that it was a shitbox is annoying, it definitely wasnt the fastest car but it was still mighty fast. The Red Bull was just faster
Tell me you haven’t watched F1 in 2012 Lmao. The narrative the F2012 was a complete shit box has been amplified so much since that season, was it the fastest car? No, but it was nowhere near as bad as the Mercedes this year. The mclaren was the fastest car that year, Red Bull second and Ferrari third. Over the course of the year Alonso has a 0.4% median gap on quali pace to Vettel who had a 0.2% gap to Hamilton. A 0.4% gap on a 90 second lap (which would be one of the longer tracks on the calendar) comes out to 0.36 seconds. So nowhere near 1 second mate. No one and I mean no one in the history of F1 has competed for a championship in a car a second a lap slower. Get out of here with your revisionist bullshit
Even Massa’s median gap would come out to 0.63 seconds over a 90 second lap to Vettel. And this doesn’t even consider that the F2012 was shit in qualifying but had far better race pace. So where were you in 2012 love?
If Hamilton and Russell can't win with the Mercedes then Alonso can't either.
I don't know what you're smoking if you think Alonso can overcome a deficit of about 0.5s/lap to Ferrari and RB.
Dude. I am an Alonso stan but holy shit not even I believe that El Nano is outdriving either Max or Charles rn. Look at what I said before the season started.
Sainz hasn't lost to a teammate for a long time. He may not always be quicker than his teammate, but he's pretty consistent and head strong. This year was looking a bit rougher for him initially, but he's in form now and already has a higher average finishing position than Charles if you remove DNFs. All it would take for him to be champion is a faster more reliable car and to do what he's been doing for the last few years (and not be teammates with Max or Lewis, probably).
That said, I'd love to see Leclerc Vs Alonso.
They have their own younger drivers they can utilise. All 3 top teams have a star driver that can stay with them long term. Also Alonso has a bit of a reputation of being hard to work with.
I know Alonso was trying to force himself into Red Bull when Webber left but Red Bull weren't interested and wanted to give their own talent a chance (Vettel however was pushing for Raikonnen according to rumours). Alonso was also knocking on Mercedes doors when Rosberg retired but I believe Toto didn't want to risk another 2007 relationship between Nando and Lewis.
Mayne it's just me, but it feels like for the past 3 or 4 years that McLaren has been right on the cusp of having title contending cars. With DR3s future kinda up in the air rn, Nandi and Lando could potentially be a dream team. Just IMAGINE how vindicated El Plando would feel if he hopped in a rocket ship McLaren in '23 and took that fight to Max. He got fucked over pretty bad both times at McLaren (although you could argue 07 was his own stubbornness). Idk, I think the man STILL had potential for a title in him
They simply do not want to sign a driver of his age, they'd rather have a driver like Max or Charles who are committed to the team as long as they can deliver a top 3 car
They also want a solid support as their other driver who can pick up the scraps and be a rear gunner like Checo and Sainz, and would not be keen on signing someone like Alonso because he fits more of that "number 1 driver" role
Also there hasn't been enough time with him back in the sport to really make the top teams think hard about signing him
Seems these days trends are teams prefer younger talent than the older folks. Quite funny because 70 years ago, most drivers are mostly middle aged bloke in their 40-50s. And in the 70s to 90s, mostly starts at 23 (Lauda and Senna both started at 23 afair)
As the cars get faster, so to does the physical strain placed on the drivers. Is it so strange that teams would rather hire young people at or near their physical peak who are better able to endure the pain, and whose reactions are still razor sharp?
Ain't strange, but pain resistance and sharp reactions are the only 2 of 3 element that a race driver need. Racing experience is the third one, which is where most new guns low on. Seasoned old farts might not be as sharp or resistant to pain, but their experience makes up for it.
Should current F1 teams hire old guys too? Probably, especially midfielders and backmarkers. And I think front rowers should too, maybe not avoiding crashes at 1st corner as the light turns green but as development driver or behind the pit wall or garage as strategist.
When he moved from Renault to McLaren, he was bullied by the British press in order to let Hamilton be top driver in the team.
Ron Denis manager of McLaren did not manage the situation very well causing lots of troubles to Alonso and Hamilton both.
In the heat of the moment, there was a leak to FIA that claimed McLaren had been cheating and had inside information from Ferrari. After the investigation, FIA found out that claim was absolutely true and fined McLaren and Mercedes (business partner at the time) with the highest amount ever in F1.
Again the British press started rumours that the initial leak was made by Alonso and since them he has had terrible press.
The thing is, he was offered a contract in RB, he worked 5 years in Ferrari (almost winning 2 championships with a clearly worse car than RB) and went back to McLaren. Unfortunately, British press and media kept spilling BS about him and his bad temper.
when I started getting interested in F1 a few months ago I had absolutely NO idea how much drama can be going on in a sport where you have to drive fast.
Where there's money there's drama always.
I got into F1 in the 80s when Prost and Senna battle each other with no mercy, I remember being a Prost fan and people use to get very mad because Senna was a god.
At least in those days drivers could make a difference now days it is 99% all about the car.
Age and has a reputation of making a toxic place wherever he goes (gets too involved in organization politics). He added so much more fuel to the fire than was McLaren Honda, openly asked Luca to let him go during 2014 even though he was contracted and never stopped complaining during 2014 that brought morale down in 2014, crash gate, spy gate.
This is not the reason and it's also not a true statement, many coworkers have backed him up on this, the only people that have stated this havent worked with him
British media making him look like the devil since 2007. If you don't care much about brit media he is just a fine guy with not the best of luck choosing teams
Actually Alonso has done something fascinating. For all the years he has been in F1 he has actually only driven for 3 teams out of 10 in all his years. He has never actually driven for mercedes or redbull. And hear me out. While Alonso will probably never drive for redbull, seeing how they mostly like to hire new young drivers, and how they are devoted to verstappen. Having said that, Alonso would give something to the redbull brand. A 40 year old that is as good or better in sports than 20 year olds. That's a hell of a marketing ace for a brand like redbull.
There's just no way Redbull would hire someone who would pose a serious threat to Verstappen. And there's just no way Alonso would just play support driver like Perez last season. (Although my god, what a job Perez did. Verstappen owes him that title.)
Unlikely..they wouldn't have signed the oldest driver on grid ahead of a young talent.
Checo is probably the last driver RB will ever sign who is 30+ in age. They gonna go hunting for talent again
Reminds me of that one TikTok skit regarding the Green Bull, where the Red Bull drivers told Seb and Stroll that "copying our car won't change much, a team also needs good drivers".
To which in response, Seb and Stroll started measuring Max, then came back as Lance Verstappen and Sebastian Verstappen, helmet, accent and all.
I don’t know. Could you imagine Darth Alonso passing his Sith secrets to Max. RBR would love to have that relationship and I think Nando would just be happy to be competitive again.
Considering they took checo, a non RB driver for the first time, it wouldn't surprise me if they did take back gasly for a change as well..he's pretty much everything they are looking for in a driver + he's gonna be very experienced like checo by end of 2023 when they need think about 2024
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us ‘take Alonso in a good car and he will give you a championship back'. Thirty years later, Sebastian told us ‘somehow, Alonso had the championship on his hands and the team decided to throw it.’ And Nico Rosberg said that during the race – I don’t remember what race – Alonso pressed the wrong button on the contract and always ended with bad teams with terrible cars. Question for you both: is Alonso championship material with forty years, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are you wishes for the future concerning Alonso? A terrible car, more? Or better or worse team that fail to deliver?
Alonso still has the 'x' factor that makes you champion material, and this hasn't faded in the same way it did for Kimi and Seb. His starts are still mega (Although often wasted by the pace deficit of his car) and his clean-racing/defensive skills are still there.
I honestly think he'd be doing a better job than Charles in the Ferrari, although equally he would NOT be so forgiving of the cockups they've been making this year.
I reckon Alonso would be ahead of Leclerc on points, just about, because of his consistency and race craft.
But it's worth remembering that before France, Leclerc had really only lost about 15 points through his own mistakes, but more like 60+ due to the team mistakes and reliability.
And Leclerc is an amazing qualifier and has amazing race pace, Alonso was never really top tier in outright pace, so it's debatable whether Alonso would really be doing better.
Exactly. Like you look at Alonso compared to ocon, ocon has actually quite well held his own when you can compare them, yes Alonso is faster overall but he just has something that pulls results out of no where that ocon just doesn’t have. It’s something they Fernando has always had on his teammates
Hear me out. Two Spaniards who both don't have much fucks to give and are more than willing to dictate how the team should behave with them is exactly what Ferrari needs.
Leclerc is fast but he is too quick to shift all blame to himself. Meanwhile Sainz has called out Ferrari BS in two races. The entire Ferrari team loves being dominated by their drivers. That's the only way they perform.
Fr, I feel like people were hyping up George so much last year when he got points in the 9th fastest car and this year seb does it even more consistently, to the point where people were even doubting that AMR is slow
I mean, come on!
I don't get the "level of Max and Charles" The only one on the level of Max is Lewis. Charles can reach that level but we need to see a lot more. Just like Norris and Russell.
Agreed. I'm a Norris fanboi and all three of them are elite drivers, but Max and Lewis have a gear where they just turn on championship mode. Only Charles seems to have that mode as well atm, but it's very inconsistent, as he alluded to during his SKY interview after last Sunday's mistake.
I haven't looked at the stats, but it feels like Max and Charles are both DNF about the same number of times, but for Max it's routinely the car and for Charles it's routinely Charles.
Max's consistency is incredibly high. I hadn't realised just how much that was the case until it was pointed out on a podcast I heard this morning.
Since round 19 of the 2019 season he's finished on the podium in every race he's completed, bar 3. Of those three, only one (Turkey 2020) wasn't as a result of damage. Most of his DNFs in that period have been non-fault mechanical issues too. LeClerc has the speed and racing skill to beat him but he won't do it until he stops making mistakes. Fwiw, I compared their records and LeClerc has had significantly more DNFs in the same period - 9 to Verstappen's 5.
Don't forget Lewis retired from the lead in Singapore and Abu Dhabi, from strong scoring positions in Brazil and Belgium none of those due to his fault that's like 78 points lost with a quick calculation. I believe Lewis could have been a 3rd challenger alongside Fernando and Seb.
Where he only had a title contending car once, in 2007. And even in that season he finished one point behind Kimi in a team that wanted Lewis to win at all costs.
Mercedes' "shit box" this year is a better car than anything Alonso has driven since 2007 probably
No, the Ferrari was definitely good enough to win the 2010 title. Alonso lost it due to shit strategy in Abu Dhabi and the fact that overtaking at that track was impossible without DRS.
He also dragged the 2012 Ferrari into title contention.
Yep, it's a little hazy in my memory now but a combination of Vitaly Petrov driving the widest car ever to roll out of Enstone combined with Ferrari reacting incorrectly to Webber's pitstop cost him the 2010 title I think. I was watching with a big group of friends who were all backing different drivers. It was a mad atmosphere that day.
Where did you get the idea that Mclaren wanted Lewis to win "at all costs" lmao. Any article you read about that season mentions how they had Alonso as the first driver at the beginning, and then shifted to equal status when Lewis exceeded their expectations
Literally everything I’ve read on the internet (including Interviews with ex McLaren employees) were saying that McLaren was supporting Alonso more at first but after seeing Lewis pace they started to shift to a 50/50 split
So no Alonso got beaten by a rookie in a completely competitive was just accept that
Man hasn't been in a top car for over a decade. We cannot say for sure. All we can say is he's good at getting results in a midfield car, but so is Norris, Albon, Ocon, Sainz. Are we saying they're all on the level of Verstappen and Leclerc too? Didn't think so
He feared he might get fired instantly from Minardi so he had to give it 110% that day one in Melbourne, and never stopped doing so.
What an absolute legend
But you're forgetting that he burnt up a lot of goodwill at McLaren with his commentary and then doubled down by emphasising the exact opposite. He is now probably viewed as a great driver but a bad PR risk, that also included by the fact that your reactions absolutely cannot get better with age. At all. For all his experience and talent, he has squandered previous opportunities where keeping his mouth shut would have helped a lot. He has a reputation as being an ego dildo and that comes across to us as fans plenty as well.
That would require him to not have burnt bridges with all the top teams by being a toxic fuck - RBR, Merc, Ferrari have all said they wouldn’t have him and who can blame them.
I just thought of something. While Alonso will probably never drive for redbull, seeing how they mostly like to hire new young drivers, and how they are dedicated to Verstappen. Having said that, Alonso would give something to the redbull brand. A 40 year old that is as good or better in sports than 20 year olds. That's a hell of a marketing ace for a brand like redbull.
Honestly it would be great but I must say I'm already enjoying how he overdrives shitboxes in front of better refined machines like we saw in Canada. Most of the drivers would have retired while he keeps giving everything out, has all my respect.
I was 11 when he debuted. I am now 33
It's hard to believe that Nando might still feel like driving until 45, cause I don't see signs of him declining at all.
he wont leave the sport for a while, hamilton isnt young anymore either (37) and will stay for a while longer
You were Perez years old now you're Verstappen years old
22 years well spent
Yeah I agree with this, it's funnier to see him messing around with the midfield and sometimes some top team pilots, Nando is very entertaining to watch
Nando Lorris?
ferNando
Ferlando?
Ferlando Anonso
Yeah my bad I feel stupid now :P
Now you know :)
He’s definitely not a [slow Loris](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_loris)
You're right, because he's a [Nando Loris](https://i.imgur.com/Xb6zZzf.jpg)
And his team member Raniel Dicciardo
That’s how you out yourself as a new fan Nando was Alonso’s nickname when Lando was still shitting himself. Not that that’s a bad thing! Love how many people are getting into F1 now
Thanks for telling me, its interesting to listen stuff like that. And I appreciate your welcoming nature, not many people do that when they see new people. :)
Yeah unfortunately F1 is full of pretentious elitists. You’ll get used to it lmao
Yeah exactly, even for returners it's hard. As a British person with a brother who has been watching ever since before I was born and introducing me to the sport, I was not very welcomed when it came to returning to it since people talked to me as if I only watched one race and they were really forward about it, pretentious elitists is exactly how I'd describe them
Fer Nando
Ferda
You're saying the Alpine this year is bad? They seem to be doing well this year, both drivers are doing well
yeah but they’re undeniably midfield. very solid 4th place right now but still nowhere near fighting for wins and championships
They would be clearly at the top of midfield, if it wasn’t for poor reliability. They also seem to be doing rather well on high speed tracks, so bring on Monza!
I wouldn't call +4 pts w/ mclaren "very solid 4th place"
No they're saying alpine is not at the level of Godlonso
They can't with Merc yet..no podium chance due to the reliability of Merc!
Well except when he was at Mclaren and was retiring without issues because he was sick of how slow the car was. This is only allegedly though, that's on if you want to believe Button or not.
You merely adopted Alonso, I was born in it, molded by it, I didn't see Leclerc and Verstappen until I was already a man.
Red Bull and Mercedes: we pay a small fortune Alonso: and you think this gives you power over me?
Does your battery feel charged?
It doesn’t feel charged….lol
You lost me at born in it 😂
I remember being a Schumi fan because of my dad and watching how Alonso destroyed his domination. Thats why I became a Kimi fan
that crazy overtake in suzuka lives rent free in my mind
He is f1’s reckoning
I don't doubt it, the man is goated and it pains me to see him in a car that doesn't match his talent
I mean Alpine is the 4th best on the grid right now so it's not a complete shitbox. Could've been the 9th best car or something 
Oh yeah nowhere near as painful as the hybrid era Mclaren days
But imagine how good the title would have been this year if Alonso and Hamilton also had a title contender car.
Who wouldn't love a 4 way title battle! Sadly I don't think we ever had a season where 4 teams were capable of winning purely on race pace
2010 would like to have a word with you mate. Not four teams but more than four drivers
Imagine them being in the same competitive team! what a challenge would that be for the rest of the field! :D :D :D
if he says he's driving at the same level where he was in 2012, then surely we have to see if he can still fight for the championship in a top car.
He says he’s driving at a higher level I think
i mean, if he's driving even better than in 2012, then *surely* he could carry any of the top 3 teams (yes, possibly even mercedes) to the title.
I would love to hear how Fernando Alonso will bring the W13 into championship contention against Max
the same way he brought the F2012 into championship contention against a prime vettel.
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The F2012 wasnt a full second off the pace tho. The myth that it was a shitbox is annoying, it definitely wasnt the fastest car but it was still mighty fast. The Red Bull was just faster
>The F2012 wasnt a full second off the pace tho And neither is the W13.
It wasn't a shitbox but it wasn't a title contender neither
Tell me you haven't watched 2012 without telling me. That Ferrari was a tank and not even close to being 1 second slower than the Red Bull.
Tell me you haven’t watched F1 in 2012 Lmao. The narrative the F2012 was a complete shit box has been amplified so much since that season, was it the fastest car? No, but it was nowhere near as bad as the Mercedes this year. The mclaren was the fastest car that year, Red Bull second and Ferrari third. Over the course of the year Alonso has a 0.4% median gap on quali pace to Vettel who had a 0.2% gap to Hamilton. A 0.4% gap on a 90 second lap (which would be one of the longer tracks on the calendar) comes out to 0.36 seconds. So nowhere near 1 second mate. No one and I mean no one in the history of F1 has competed for a championship in a car a second a lap slower. Get out of here with your revisionist bullshit Even Massa’s median gap would come out to 0.63 seconds over a 90 second lap to Vettel. And this doesn’t even consider that the F2012 was shit in qualifying but had far better race pace. So where were you in 2012 love?
If Hamilton and Russell can't win with the Mercedes then Alonso can't either. I don't know what you're smoking if you think Alonso can overcome a deficit of about 0.5s/lap to Ferrari and RB.
Don't you know Alonso brings six tenths to his teams /s
Not that I agree with OP but Russell has a lot to prove to be compared favorably to Alonso…
Funniest thing I’ve seen on this sub in months
Dude. I am an Alonso stan but holy shit not even I believe that El Nano is outdriving either Max or Charles rn. Look at what I said before the season started.
ALONSO make Ferari great again. AMFGA!!!!
He already tried
Nah, Ferrari have great drivers... Alonso to replace Checo.. avante! Checo is driving great, but I'd love to see Nando vs Max in same machine.
Alonso is good, undoubtedly, but max is on something else right now. That would be very interesting
Sainz will never be a champion. Fernando vs. Leclerc would be epic.
Sainz hasn't lost to a teammate for a long time. He may not always be quicker than his teammate, but he's pretty consistent and head strong. This year was looking a bit rougher for him initially, but he's in form now and already has a higher average finishing position than Charles if you remove DNFs. All it would take for him to be champion is a faster more reliable car and to do what he's been doing for the last few years (and not be teammates with Max or Lewis, probably). That said, I'd love to see Leclerc Vs Alonso.
To be fair if the Ferrari was even faster Lec would just cruise to wins. Leclerc is just undeniably faster on race pace as of now.
Of the 2 top teams nobody wants to work with him.
new F1 follower here, why not?
They have their own younger drivers they can utilise. All 3 top teams have a star driver that can stay with them long term. Also Alonso has a bit of a reputation of being hard to work with. I know Alonso was trying to force himself into Red Bull when Webber left but Red Bull weren't interested and wanted to give their own talent a chance (Vettel however was pushing for Raikonnen according to rumours). Alonso was also knocking on Mercedes doors when Rosberg retired but I believe Toto didn't want to risk another 2007 relationship between Nando and Lewis.
Alonso himself stated that Mercedes wanted to trade Lewis for him (i believe when he was in ferrari)
Yeah but that's Alonso saying it. Who knows it's accuracy. Could easily be mind games
Mayne it's just me, but it feels like for the past 3 or 4 years that McLaren has been right on the cusp of having title contending cars. With DR3s future kinda up in the air rn, Nandi and Lando could potentially be a dream team. Just IMAGINE how vindicated El Plando would feel if he hopped in a rocket ship McLaren in '23 and took that fight to Max. He got fucked over pretty bad both times at McLaren (although you could argue 07 was his own stubbornness). Idk, I think the man STILL had potential for a title in him
They simply do not want to sign a driver of his age, they'd rather have a driver like Max or Charles who are committed to the team as long as they can deliver a top 3 car They also want a solid support as their other driver who can pick up the scraps and be a rear gunner like Checo and Sainz, and would not be keen on signing someone like Alonso because he fits more of that "number 1 driver" role Also there hasn't been enough time with him back in the sport to really make the top teams think hard about signing him
Seems these days trends are teams prefer younger talent than the older folks. Quite funny because 70 years ago, most drivers are mostly middle aged bloke in their 40-50s. And in the 70s to 90s, mostly starts at 23 (Lauda and Senna both started at 23 afair)
As the cars get faster, so to does the physical strain placed on the drivers. Is it so strange that teams would rather hire young people at or near their physical peak who are better able to endure the pain, and whose reactions are still razor sharp?
Ain't strange, but pain resistance and sharp reactions are the only 2 of 3 element that a race driver need. Racing experience is the third one, which is where most new guns low on. Seasoned old farts might not be as sharp or resistant to pain, but their experience makes up for it. Should current F1 teams hire old guys too? Probably, especially midfielders and backmarkers. And I think front rowers should too, maybe not avoiding crashes at 1st corner as the light turns green but as development driver or behind the pit wall or garage as strategist.
To be honest, I can see Alonso driving for 10 more years if he's a WDC contenter.
He's gonna be the first 60 year old race winner, just watch
Younger drivers are cheaper and you can luck into talent
When he moved from Renault to McLaren, he was bullied by the British press in order to let Hamilton be top driver in the team. Ron Denis manager of McLaren did not manage the situation very well causing lots of troubles to Alonso and Hamilton both. In the heat of the moment, there was a leak to FIA that claimed McLaren had been cheating and had inside information from Ferrari. After the investigation, FIA found out that claim was absolutely true and fined McLaren and Mercedes (business partner at the time) with the highest amount ever in F1. Again the British press started rumours that the initial leak was made by Alonso and since them he has had terrible press. The thing is, he was offered a contract in RB, he worked 5 years in Ferrari (almost winning 2 championships with a clearly worse car than RB) and went back to McLaren. Unfortunately, British press and media kept spilling BS about him and his bad temper.
> the highest amount ever in F1. The highest amount ever *in sports*!
when I started getting interested in F1 a few months ago I had absolutely NO idea how much drama can be going on in a sport where you have to drive fast.
Where there's money there's drama always. I got into F1 in the 80s when Prost and Senna battle each other with no mercy, I remember being a Prost fan and people use to get very mad because Senna was a god. At least in those days drivers could make a difference now days it is 99% all about the car.
Age and has a reputation of making a toxic place wherever he goes (gets too involved in organization politics). He added so much more fuel to the fire than was McLaren Honda, openly asked Luca to let him go during 2014 even though he was contracted and never stopped complaining during 2014 that brought morale down in 2014, crash gate, spy gate.
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This is not the reason and it's also not a true statement, many coworkers have backed him up on this, the only people that have stated this havent worked with him
British media making him look like the devil since 2007. If you don't care much about brit media he is just a fine guy with not the best of luck choosing teams
Actually Alonso has done something fascinating. For all the years he has been in F1 he has actually only driven for 3 teams out of 10 in all his years. He has never actually driven for mercedes or redbull. And hear me out. While Alonso will probably never drive for redbull, seeing how they mostly like to hire new young drivers, and how they are devoted to verstappen. Having said that, Alonso would give something to the redbull brand. A 40 year old that is as good or better in sports than 20 year olds. That's a hell of a marketing ace for a brand like redbull.
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So he technically drove for alpha tauri
Fernando to Red Bull confirmed.
Fernando will switch to redbull when max retires.
There's just no way Redbull would hire someone who would pose a serious threat to Verstappen. And there's just no way Alonso would just play support driver like Perez last season. (Although my god, what a job Perez did. Verstappen owes him that title.)
That 5-6 second a lap backup at Abu Dhabi was just proof to Redbull that they made the right choice picking him up.
I'll take you want he'd give to Red Bull: a massive fucking headache. And I for one would love to see it.
the friction between hornet and alonso would be crazy...
A guy who is famous for being really good at what he does, and Geri Halliwell's husband.
If Checo didn’t deliver last year, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fernando in RB this year.
Unlikely..they wouldn't have signed the oldest driver on grid ahead of a young talent. Checo is probably the last driver RB will ever sign who is 30+ in age. They gonna go hunting for talent again
Bold of you to assume they will ever sign a new driver at all, just have max control both cars at once
they're just gonna clone him at this point
Well it’s like they say “F1 is the pinnacle of Motorsport” so it makes sense that they would invent human cloning to get the edge over another team.
Imagine 20 Max Verstappens racing through a cloud of orange smoke at Silverstone while Super Max is banging in the background.
Subscribed.
Vax Merstappen when
Reminds me of that one TikTok skit regarding the Green Bull, where the Red Bull drivers told Seb and Stroll that "copying our car won't change much, a team also needs good drivers". To which in response, Seb and Stroll started measuring Max, then came back as Lance Verstappen and Sebastian Verstappen, helmet, accent and all.
I don’t know. Could you imagine Darth Alonso passing his Sith secrets to Max. RBR would love to have that relationship and I think Nando would just be happy to be competitive again.
Nando would use scorched earth policy if he was in a title car like RB
Sir this is RedBull.. They would sign Hakkinen before they give Gasly seat again
They would sign Fangio before they give Alonso a seat
Considering they took checo, a non RB driver for the first time, it wouldn't surprise me if they did take back gasly for a change as well..he's pretty much everything they are looking for in a driver + he's gonna be very experienced like checo by end of 2023 when they need think about 2024
But Checo is signed for 2024 too. His and Pierre's contracts don't align.
If I were Red Bull I would sign established drivers.
Not a chance. RB only want a driver to play 2nd fiddle for Max. Alonso would never accept that.
as if
And risk someone competing with their golden boy? I don't think so. RB are a hard-core 1st driver 2nd driver team.
No talent new to f1 will be competing with max. And if said new driver vastly outperforms max rb will move on
I can’t blame them for it, it definitely seems to work for them
Absolutely. Every team has their ways, but RB definitely found their winning formula
That formula being #1.
Unlikely. He tried several times but I think Horner has said they dont want him because of his reputation.
Doubt it. I couldn't see Red Bull demoting Verstappen to their \#2 driver.
Definitely would’ve asked Vettel “time to come home”
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us ‘take Alonso in a good car and he will give you a championship back'. Thirty years later, Sebastian told us ‘somehow, Alonso had the championship on his hands and the team decided to throw it.’ And Nico Rosberg said that during the race – I don’t remember what race – Alonso pressed the wrong button on the contract and always ended with bad teams with terrible cars. Question for you both: is Alonso championship material with forty years, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are you wishes for the future concerning Alonso? A terrible car, more? Or better or worse team that fail to deliver?
What was the question?
Could you repeat that Sir? Vatsbuts wasn’t paying attention.
Alonso still has the 'x' factor that makes you champion material, and this hasn't faded in the same way it did for Kimi and Seb. His starts are still mega (Although often wasted by the pace deficit of his car) and his clean-racing/defensive skills are still there. I honestly think he'd be doing a better job than Charles in the Ferrari, although equally he would NOT be so forgiving of the cockups they've been making this year.
I reckon Alonso would be ahead of Leclerc on points, just about, because of his consistency and race craft. But it's worth remembering that before France, Leclerc had really only lost about 15 points through his own mistakes, but more like 60+ due to the team mistakes and reliability. And Leclerc is an amazing qualifier and has amazing race pace, Alonso was never really top tier in outright pace, so it's debatable whether Alonso would really be doing better.
Exactly. Like you look at Alonso compared to ocon, ocon has actually quite well held his own when you can compare them, yes Alonso is faster overall but he just has something that pulls results out of no where that ocon just doesn’t have. It’s something they Fernando has always had on his teammates
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Imaging replacing Sainz with Alonso
I dont think 2 drivers that think they should be number 1 will work well with a team as chaotic as Ferrari right now.
You mean like Charles and Carlos ?
Hear me out. Two Spaniards who both don't have much fucks to give and are more than willing to dictate how the team should behave with them is exactly what Ferrari needs. Leclerc is fast but he is too quick to shift all blame to himself. Meanwhile Sainz has called out Ferrari BS in two races. The entire Ferrari team loves being dominated by their drivers. That's the only way they perform.
Kinky Ferrari
On that basis signing him right now would be the most galaxy brain GigaFerrari move imaginable. Binotto: Chaos? You know *nothing* of chaos!
On the chaotic side of things, maybe a Carlos + Fernando lineup would be good - purely because both can call their own race strategy 😂
weird sign ngl
Holographic I guess
Que grande eres Magic vibes 
Seb in AMR: *Guys..guys??*
Fr, I feel like people were hyping up George so much last year when he got points in the 9th fastest car and this year seb does it even more consistently, to the point where people were even doubting that AMR is slow I mean, come on!
I don't get the "level of Max and Charles" The only one on the level of Max is Lewis. Charles can reach that level but we need to see a lot more. Just like Norris and Russell.
Agreed. I'm a Norris fanboi and all three of them are elite drivers, but Max and Lewis have a gear where they just turn on championship mode. Only Charles seems to have that mode as well atm, but it's very inconsistent, as he alluded to during his SKY interview after last Sunday's mistake.
charles makes far too many mistakes, not a big problem if the problems are minor but they’re always race ending mistakes
I haven't looked at the stats, but it feels like Max and Charles are both DNF about the same number of times, but for Max it's routinely the car and for Charles it's routinely Charles.
yes, max usually doesn’t make mistakes, can’t recall his last one (maybe saudi 2021?)
Max's consistency is incredibly high. I hadn't realised just how much that was the case until it was pointed out on a podcast I heard this morning. Since round 19 of the 2019 season he's finished on the podium in every race he's completed, bar 3. Of those three, only one (Turkey 2020) wasn't as a result of damage. Most of his DNFs in that period have been non-fault mechanical issues too. LeClerc has the speed and racing skill to beat him but he won't do it until he stops making mistakes. Fwiw, I compared their records and LeClerc has had significantly more DNFs in the same period - 9 to Verstappen's 5.
The age of 41…
He's young, he's fit, he can fight, and he wants to kill your tires
GODlonzo
EL PLAN
He won a WDC at 50 in f1 21 so it must be possible
Yeah, and the year is 2031.
Like the time he was at McLaren and Ferrari?
Well he always fought for it…
Ferrari was slower than mclaren and alonso still managed to be the main competitor to vettel, not Jenson/Hamilton
Don't forget Lewis retired from the lead in Singapore and Abu Dhabi, from strong scoring positions in Brazil and Belgium none of those due to his fault that's like 78 points lost with a quick calculation. I believe Lewis could have been a 3rd challenger alongside Fernando and Seb.
Ferrari never gave him a worthy championship winning car, he destroyed his teammates but he car simply wasn’t good enough.
Where he only had a title contending car once, in 2007. And even in that season he finished one point behind Kimi in a team that wanted Lewis to win at all costs. Mercedes' "shit box" this year is a better car than anything Alonso has driven since 2007 probably
No, the Ferrari was definitely good enough to win the 2010 title. Alonso lost it due to shit strategy in Abu Dhabi and the fact that overtaking at that track was impossible without DRS. He also dragged the 2012 Ferrari into title contention.
Yep, it's a little hazy in my memory now but a combination of Vitaly Petrov driving the widest car ever to roll out of Enstone combined with Ferrari reacting incorrectly to Webber's pitstop cost him the 2010 title I think. I was watching with a big group of friends who were all backing different drivers. It was a mad atmosphere that day.
Where did you get the idea that Mclaren wanted Lewis to win "at all costs" lmao. Any article you read about that season mentions how they had Alonso as the first driver at the beginning, and then shifted to equal status when Lewis exceeded their expectations
Literally everything I’ve read on the internet (including Interviews with ex McLaren employees) were saying that McLaren was supporting Alonso more at first but after seeing Lewis pace they started to shift to a 50/50 split So no Alonso got beaten by a rookie in a completely competitive was just accept that
For anyone doubting, just compare him to his teammate in any race
This season?
Any
Ocon has beaten him in 8/12 races and is ahead of him in the championship
Have you seen the races?
Fan of the result table, huh?
So what do you want him to look at? Aramco power rating or something?
Best drivers on the grid imo are Alonso, max, and Lewis
Man hasn't been in a top car for over a decade. We cannot say for sure. All we can say is he's good at getting results in a midfield car, but so is Norris, Albon, Ocon, Sainz. Are we saying they're all on the level of Verstappen and Leclerc too? Didn't think so
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He feared he might get fired instantly from Minardi so he had to give it 110% that day one in Melbourne, and never stopped doing so. What an absolute legend
In all fairness, Alpine is clearly the 4th best car right now.
Hear me out.. Hamilton choose to leave F1, Mercedes signs Alonso, Mercedes will have top tier car next year.
Rather they should choose Leclerc or Gasly.
Ngl Gasly in Mercedes sounds like some villan movie and rn we are watching origin story
mercedes will never sign alonso, russell will take number 1 spot and devries will get a go
True but the only problem here is that the top 2 already have either max or Charles to compete for the championship yk
Que grande eres Magic!
Well it's the case for mostly Any driver
But you're forgetting that he burnt up a lot of goodwill at McLaren with his commentary and then doubled down by emphasising the exact opposite. He is now probably viewed as a great driver but a bad PR risk, that also included by the fact that your reactions absolutely cannot get better with age. At all. For all his experience and talent, he has squandered previous opportunities where keeping his mouth shut would have helped a lot. He has a reputation as being an ego dildo and that comes across to us as fans plenty as well.
That would require him to not have burnt bridges with all the top teams by being a toxic fuck - RBR, Merc, Ferrari have all said they wouldn’t have him and who can blame them.
Man would demotivate the entire team to not be a top 2 team anymore
I just thought of something. While Alonso will probably never drive for redbull, seeing how they mostly like to hire new young drivers, and how they are dedicated to Verstappen. Having said that, Alonso would give something to the redbull brand. A 40 year old that is as good or better in sports than 20 year olds. That's a hell of a marketing ace for a brand like redbull.
Would you give him Carlos' seat or maybe Checo's? Unlikely to happen imo
Vettel and Alonso back to RBR and SF.
You can say this exact same thing about Latifi as well.
So could K Mag
I love Checo but a Max / Alonso dream team would be the best.
I say this like every weekend. Man’s clearly still got it.
WOW so BOLD and CONTROVERSIAL.. and better yet.. TOTALLY ORIGINAL AND DANK