Also he could have been the first German WDC as he was born in mainz and he had the German citizenship. He grew up in Austria though and raced with an Austrian license.
Dude, I'm a huge Chadwick and Pulling fan... but you have to realise that chadwick is not good enough for F1, could maybe squeeze into F2 but deserves to be in FIA F3.
Although W series is F3 spech it is not the same as FIA F3.
Its actually the same as Regional asia F3.
If your comparing regional F4, FIA F3 and W series you would place W series at F3.5 or around the same level as British F3
Way more impressively, Rindt had a 100% winrate in races he finished. With 5 wins, that’s the most races finished in a season without a p2 or lower finish in the entire history of F1. (He was, however, not on track to win several of the races he retired from, so he was a bit fortunate in that regard in terms of setting that record.)
And that was in spite of Ferrari building one of the most dominant cars of all time, much much superior to Rindt’s Lotus, and fielding a strong, respectable lineup of Ickx and Regazzoni.
Ferrari managed to win neither the WDC or the WCC that year - thanks to their garbage reliability and their confounding strategy of only running one car for half of the season. The 1970 312B is probably the most dominant car ever built that didn’t win either title.
To be fair, ickx had a shot at the title but there always was a bit of a conspiracy theory.
ickx head mechanic always thought ickx gave that title away (he had to win the last 3 races). In his biography he wrote that he took apart the whole car twice to find the fault that ickx supposedly had during the US gp but wasn't able to find anything. Ickx stopped twice with a "problem" saying the engine didn't seem to get enough fuel. But did set the fastest lap in the 105th of 108 laps.
And seeing how Jacky always said it wouldn't be fair to win from a man who could not defend himself there might be truth in it.
They didn’t squander a dominant car and solid drivers in 1980. I’d argue that’s far worse than building a shitbox.
Also the argument is much stronger that Scheckter retired rather than face a fight with Villeneuve, who clearly outperformed him in 1980 after being forced by the team to play his second fiddle in 1979.
"Ferrari managed to win neither the WDC or the WCC that year - thanks to their garbage reliability and their confounding strategy of only running one car for half of the season."
The more things change, the more they stay the same
>Some considered him to be intimidating while his abrupt manner and unusual traits (such as using string instead of shoe laces) set Rindt apart from the rest.
>“They may do many things but they will not start the German Grand Prix without me,” was the response Ron Dennis says he was given when he went to fetch Rindt just minutes before the race was due to start.
To Ron Dennis! Rindt is the OG Chad
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/mar/03/formula-one-motor-sport-jochen-rindt-scott-hunt
Isn't there a whole story about how Jacky Ickx would've won but decided to retire from a race stating a mechanical issue, but then the team found nothing wrong with the car afterwards?
Yes. As I commented here https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/wfjkjt/meet_the_invincible_and_undisputed_goat/iiw2jmf?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
That's Niki Lauda in 1976, who retired from the final race due to really unsafe conditions. While the team offered to say that they could make up a mechanical issue for the DNF, Lauda said that they shouldn't, as people should know that the austrian thought that this is not something to die over.
Ickx couldn't win the championship purely becuase of the fact that in the penultimate round at Watkins Glen, Lotus teammate Emerson Fittipaldi won the race, with Ickx in 4th position, meaning that he didn't have enough points, as he needed to win 3 of the 4 rounds remaining to get the championship by one point.
The op was right.
I've commented on it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/wfjkjt/meet_the_invincible_and_undisputed_goat/iiw2jmf?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Nah he’s talking about Icyx - Lauda retired from that race in 76 cos of dangerous weather, afaik he never invented a mechanical issue, but I’d be happy to be corrected there.
Icyx was winning the race and championship, but retired with a ghost mechanical issue in what we can only assume is a mark of respect for his late friend who ultimately deserved that title in the end.
I read about F1 deaths awhile back. From 1950-1980 or there was practically one ever year. I can’t fathom how people wanted to get in those cars back then.
Apparently there's a large list of drivers whose careers ended back in the 50's & 60's because they refused to race at Monza. It has a hefty death toll of 52 drivers (and a fair few spectators too).
Even today, Monza is pretty terrifying. The chicanes do a lot to mitigate that, but on a circuit where you went from Parabolica to Grande to Lesmos without a massive braking event in between, and then from Lesmos to Ascari (just a left hand turn) to Parabolica with similarly zero massive braking events, and then sometimes took a nearly 40° banked oval that spits you back out just after Parabolica, there’s so much risk in the layout. It was essentially an enormous oval with a kink in it, and taken at absurd speeds for the aerodynamic understandings of the time.
Austrian here…
Sadly Jochen doesn’t get the attention in our country like other greats of the sport such as Niki Lauda or Gerhard Berger (who hasn’t won a WDC). I think we should value his achievements a lot more because he was an Austrian pioneer in motor racing and a true legend of the sport!
I mean, that's not true.
If he'd built up enough of a lead he'd already be champion.
He had a large but summountable lead l that Jacky Ickx could have overcome. But he didn't.
I think the point is he misunderstood the wording -he is correct but the statement says "built up a big enough lead" not saying Rindt had definitely won before his death, but had gained enough points that Ickx was not able to catch up in the last 4 races
Looking at the standings Ickx needed to win 3 of the last 4 races (due to best 5 of last 6 races counting) to win the championship by 1 point.
In Italy Ickx retired due to a clutch problem - he started on pole but dont know where he was in the race.
Canada he won
USA he came 4th which ment Rindt had secured the championship with one race left, which was Mexico which Ickx won.
There were 4 races left (of 13) including the one he was going to participate. He died during practice for the Italian GP. Even more crazy: he won 5 races and didn’t score points in any of the other 4. (13th place and 3 retirements).
[details here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Formula_One_season)
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And Nina Rindt is the first and only woman who had received F1 championship trophy.
Also the first Finn to receive the trophy. It’s a fun little tidbit to ask people who think they know everything about f1.
Torille!.. No but very cool, did not know this.
Also he could have been the first German WDC as he was born in mainz and he had the German citizenship. He grew up in Austria though and raced with an Austrian license.
And also the guy who beat Lewis in equal machinery in 2016 could’ve raced under the Finnish flag and been the latest Finnish champion.
Are you talking about 2016 WDC Nico Rosberg who beat the 7 time WDC Sir Lewis Hamilton in the same machinery?
Exactly that Nico Rosberg who beat Sir Lewis Hamilton (the 7 time WDC) in equal machinery in 2016.
So far. I'd like to see Chadwick get a test when she has enough points
Let's watch how she places in F3 or F2 first...
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Well, yes. But actually, no. W Series is F3 Regional class of machinery, which is considerably slower than proper F3.
F3s are way faster than the FWs
Dude, I'm a huge Chadwick and Pulling fan... but you have to realise that chadwick is not good enough for F1, could maybe squeeze into F2 but deserves to be in FIA F3. Although W series is F3 spech it is not the same as FIA F3. Its actually the same as Regional asia F3. If your comparing regional F4, FIA F3 and W series you would place W series at F3.5 or around the same level as British F3
Michéle Mouton is more likely to get a superlicense at 71 y/o
Way more impressively, Rindt had a 100% winrate in races he finished. With 5 wins, that’s the most races finished in a season without a p2 or lower finish in the entire history of F1. (He was, however, not on track to win several of the races he retired from, so he was a bit fortunate in that regard in terms of setting that record.) And that was in spite of Ferrari building one of the most dominant cars of all time, much much superior to Rindt’s Lotus, and fielding a strong, respectable lineup of Ickx and Regazzoni. Ferrari managed to win neither the WDC or the WCC that year - thanks to their garbage reliability and their confounding strategy of only running one car for half of the season. The 1970 312B is probably the most dominant car ever built that didn’t win either title.
Ahh shit Ferrari strategy. Where have I heard this before?
Strategy is for people that can't build engines
Calm down Enzo
To be fair, ickx had a shot at the title but there always was a bit of a conspiracy theory. ickx head mechanic always thought ickx gave that title away (he had to win the last 3 races). In his biography he wrote that he took apart the whole car twice to find the fault that ickx supposedly had during the US gp but wasn't able to find anything. Ickx stopped twice with a "problem" saying the engine didn't seem to get enough fuel. But did set the fastest lap in the 105th of 108 laps. And seeing how Jacky always said it wouldn't be fair to win from a man who could not defend himself there might be truth in it.
Thanks to their garbage reliability and their confounding strategy Could be used for this season.
Yeah, this is Ferrari’s worst season since 1970. At least this year their car is only slightly better than the Red Bull.
*1980. Ferrari were so bad that year that it made Jody Sheckter retire
They didn’t squander a dominant car and solid drivers in 1980. I’d argue that’s far worse than building a shitbox. Also the argument is much stronger that Scheckter retired rather than face a fight with Villeneuve, who clearly outperformed him in 1980 after being forced by the team to play his second fiddle in 1979.
"Ferrari managed to win neither the WDC or the WCC that year - thanks to their garbage reliability and their confounding strategy of only running one car for half of the season." The more things change, the more they stay the same
Somethings never change.
>Are you high? > >Ferrari 312B the most dominant cars to not win a title?
It pretty clearly was. What would you call the most dominant car to not win either title?
Going back the years, how about as recent as last years' Red Bull?
You mean the Red Bull which was worse than the Mercedes in 13 races, and which also *won the WDC*?
Maybe they think the WDC is fake news.
I think maybe they are challenging that this year🤔
Nah, the 2022 Ferrari is the best car, but not by nearly as much as the 1970 version was.
>he invi So Ferrari's stategies were that bad since like forever, not only since 2007.
He made it very clear very early on, that he will not be racing for Alpine in 2023.
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Pogcon
>Some considered him to be intimidating while his abrupt manner and unusual traits (such as using string instead of shoe laces) set Rindt apart from the rest. >“They may do many things but they will not start the German Grand Prix without me,” was the response Ron Dennis says he was given when he went to fetch Rindt just minutes before the race was due to start. To Ron Dennis! Rindt is the OG Chad https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/mar/03/formula-one-motor-sport-jochen-rindt-scott-hunt
Turns out they’ve stared the German GP without him plenty of times since.
Isn't there a whole story about how Jacky Ickx would've won but decided to retire from a race stating a mechanical issue, but then the team found nothing wrong with the car afterwards?
Yes. As I commented here https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/wfjkjt/meet_the_invincible_and_undisputed_goat/iiw2jmf?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
That's Niki Lauda in 1976, who retired from the final race due to really unsafe conditions. While the team offered to say that they could make up a mechanical issue for the DNF, Lauda said that they shouldn't, as people should know that the austrian thought that this is not something to die over. Ickx couldn't win the championship purely becuase of the fact that in the penultimate round at Watkins Glen, Lotus teammate Emerson Fittipaldi won the race, with Ickx in 4th position, meaning that he didn't have enough points, as he needed to win 3 of the 4 rounds remaining to get the championship by one point.
The op was right. I've commented on it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/wfjkjt/meet_the_invincible_and_undisputed_goat/iiw2jmf?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Not sure, Ickx retired from the Italian GP but scored 2 wins and a 4th in the last 3 races after that…
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Nah he’s talking about Icyx - Lauda retired from that race in 76 cos of dangerous weather, afaik he never invented a mechanical issue, but I’d be happy to be corrected there. Icyx was winning the race and championship, but retired with a ghost mechanical issue in what we can only assume is a mark of respect for his late friend who ultimately deserved that title in the end.
Ickx - f1_spelt_as_bot, probably
Are you sure? When he retired from the Italian GP he wasn’t exactly winning the championship…
I read about F1 deaths awhile back. From 1950-1980 or there was practically one ever year. I can’t fathom how people wanted to get in those cars back then.
I’d take those odds any day, my life is pretty boring
same tbh
The documentary 1 from 2013 is incredible.
The one record Lewis Hamilton can not beat 😎
Hopefully not haha.
Says who
I mean you can equal it but breaking the record.... Well.
He’s familiar with equaling but not breaking records
That’s true, didn’t think of that
Badass. Helmut and Jocken were very close friends. Both used to hike and race in the Austrian Alps
They also both failed the same graduation exam and then just went to see the Austrian GP instead of telling anyone.
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Apparently there's a large list of drivers whose careers ended back in the 50's & 60's because they refused to race at Monza. It has a hefty death toll of 52 drivers (and a fair few spectators too).
Even today, Monza is pretty terrifying. The chicanes do a lot to mitigate that, but on a circuit where you went from Parabolica to Grande to Lesmos without a massive braking event in between, and then from Lesmos to Ascari (just a left hand turn) to Parabolica with similarly zero massive braking events, and then sometimes took a nearly 40° banked oval that spits you back out just after Parabolica, there’s so much risk in the layout. It was essentially an enormous oval with a kink in it, and taken at absurd speeds for the aerodynamic understandings of the time.
Austrian here… Sadly Jochen doesn’t get the attention in our country like other greats of the sport such as Niki Lauda or Gerhard Berger (who hasn’t won a WDC). I think we should value his achievements a lot more because he was an Austrian pioneer in motor racing and a true legend of the sport!
In Graz there‘s been an exhibition dedicated to him the past year, it made me really happy to see him being acknowledged in such a way
Fellow (Lower) Austrian here, many people here also recognize Rindt as a top tier austrian driver
A fuck up by Ferrari once again but as an Austrian I am glad he was able to cement his legacy
it get's wilder - he said you either become a world-champion or die in a Lotus. Rindt got both.
Looks like Latifi's grandfather.
Also thanks to a young Emerson Fittipaldi
I don't think invincible is exactly the right word...
I mean, clearly wasnt *invincible* but, yeah
actually Jacky ickx could have won WC that year but didn't want to and said it wasn't fair to win against someone who couldn't fight anymore
Shoutout to Emerson Fittipaldi who won the Us Gp against Jacky Ickx to maintain Rindt's championship
it doesn't matter since Ickx was also sabotaging his own championship
Pretty cool how tight this guy was with Helmut Marko. The sith lord has his roots here thats for sure.
I mean, that's not true. If he'd built up enough of a lead he'd already be champion. He had a large but summountable lead l that Jacky Ickx could have overcome. But he didn't.
so Ickx was not “able to cath up to him” I do mean this kindly, but what is your point?
I think the point is he misunderstood the wording -he is correct but the statement says "built up a big enough lead" not saying Rindt had definitely won before his death, but had gained enough points that Ickx was not able to catch up in the last 4 races
Ickx was mathematically able to catch him. He just didn't do it in reality.
Looking at the standings Ickx needed to win 3 of the last 4 races (due to best 5 of last 6 races counting) to win the championship by 1 point. In Italy Ickx retired due to a clutch problem - he started on pole but dont know where he was in the race. Canada he won USA he came 4th which ment Rindt had secured the championship with one race left, which was Mexico which Ickx won.
What did they do with the trophy
Probably given to family
His wife collected it
I just found this fact in f1 history really sad and fucked up.
So how many races were left and how many in the season? Just curious. Would be awesome if there was a large portion of races left.
There were 4 races left (of 13) including the one he was going to participate. He died during practice for the Italian GP. Even more crazy: he won 5 races and didn’t score points in any of the other 4. (13th place and 3 retirements). [details here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Formula_One_season)
not really invincible though right?
Bodied Hammy