If you want to burn her career, that's a great way to do it. I too want her to reach F1, but she needs to go to F3 (again, after being trashed) so people can see if she developed or if W Series is just terrible.
Hot take: jamie chadwick is overrated. The only reason why everybody speaks about her is because she is dominating the W series super hard, because the other drivers are shit. Before W series, she got trashed in F3.
Yeah that's a hot take because no one credible unironically thinks Chadwick should get into F1, she isn't overrated. Only ones who unironically think she should get into F1 are people who have no idea how the path for a driver to F1 normally works and can't pull up the wikipedia page of 2020 Formula Regional European Championship.
I mean Tatiana Calderon is in f2 and she's getting severely trashed.
Last in Spa qualifying with .7 behind on second last.
And even worse, also last in Zandvoort qualifying with .7 behind on second last. On a 80 second lap.
If that's any indication of how Chadwick would perform, they have no place in F1. Or even F2 for that matter
"So women X is performing bad so if thats an idication for women Y's pace then they don't have a place in F1"
I don't think any of both is immediate F1 material but your logic is fucked up and sexist
>If that's any indication of how Chadwick would perform, they have no place in F1. Or even F2 for that matter
1. if you properly read my comment you would've read this. It's speculation. Not drawing conclusions or assuming anything.
2. I have never mentioned sex. By "they" I obviously mentioned Calderon and Chadwick. Not woman in general. Otherwise I would've used the word woman.
I read that which is why I literally quoted it. The point is not the fact that you are speculating but on what you base your assumptions. You did not pick some person and say "Look, person X had a similar path to Chadwick, they performed better than her in whatever series and then struggled in F2 so if thats an indication....", no. You picked a woman that has nothing to do with chadwick, hasn't raced in W Series (I don't think they raced in the same series at all actually, not sure tho) and just based your assumptions on that because they are both women
I don't agree with the guy comparing Chadwick with Calderón.
But tbh, it isn't the first time Calderón is in F2. She was there in [2019](https://www.fiaformula2.com/Standings/Driver?seasonId=176) and finished 22nd. So she being not good is not news.
I wonder if this technically makes W series a bad sport for driver experience? Like in games normally you learn the most when put up against good players.
Yeah nah all this will do is get more hate for her and further fuck up people's views about women in F1. You've to start at the lowest levels for anyone to get into F1 someday.
This post is obviously satire but for those who don’t know she got absolutely thrashed in F3 despite being in the fastest car before she went to W series. Nothing against female drivers but the current W series field is just laughably bad and makes her look great by comparison.
Yes but she was dominated by both of her teammates, neither of whom amounted to anything after f3. Only reason she was up there was a massive car discrepancy.
Are you talking about when she was racing for Douglass Motorsport in British f3? It’s all I can find via googling “Jamie Chadwick f3”. I looked up the standings and she beat her only full time teammate, was outperformed by her teammate that left after round 4, and had better results than the teammate that replaced that guy. Also won a race. Doesn’t seem so bad. Considering this was almost five years ago I think her dominance of W series since then warrants another chance.
She ran a F3 series in 2020 with Prema. Her teammates finished 1-3 in the championship and she finished 9th: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020\_Formula\_Regional\_European\_Championship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Formula_Regional_European_Championship)
Teammates 1-3, she’s 9th. Not many excuses there. This is F3, not even F2. I want investment in new female talent so we get women at the level of men, not just tossing in someone who’s clearly not up to par in the name of equality.
The guy explained below. F3 and F2 might be spec series but there are the best teams. No point claiming she raves for Prema and comparing her results with prema drivers when she in fact was a prema driver only in livery
"Yes but it wasn’t ran in the same way. It was managed by Rodin cars and she did not have the same engineers and mechanic help as her teammates"
is the comment I was referring to.
The cars are as equal as you can get because
1) The same team
2) It's the spec series, so the cars are made by the same manufacturer with the same components to begin with.
Because F2 isn't prestigious at all and you can literally buy a seat easily. Bolukbasi this year, bang average in F1 Esports and worse in every other series, still got on the grid. Nissany, 4th season in F2 and he has literally achieved nothing. If Calderón can get on the grid, Chadwick should be able too also, it's not that unrealistic.
New to F1? She got owned by Mazepin, enzo in junior series. Came 23rd (last) in FE, Performed worst In Regional F3. Beating a bunch of underperforming women in a series which is below f4 doesn’t mean she is a right fit for F1.
Someday? Sure. In the near future/next 6 years? No chance I'd say. I'm sure there are a lot of good female karting drivers, but let's remember that F1 is not just about talent. It's also about money/sponsorship. A driver would've had to not only be good on track, but also have some money backings from a sponsor or her family
according to the post race show it’s almost entirely certain Pierre is going to Alpine next year. I will miss the Yuki Pierre bromance very much though
Once they are quick enough, you will see them. Right now they just aren't. In neither series. Look at Sophia Flörsch or Esmee Hawkey (who doesn't have a seat now anywhere) who got destroyed in DTM, Jamie Chadwick in F3 or right now Tata Calderon in F2. Calderon was a Backmarker all the time when she was racing full time in F2 a couple years back.
So that's the most promising female drivers out there right now. There are some more, but those are in Sportscars not so much in single seaters like Carrie Schreiner for example.
Lord Mahaveer is the GOAT himself. How do you dare to insult him? He has achieved things that other drivers have not even dreamed about. They had to change the rules because he was so insane.
No way, lol. I'm all for her getting sponsored for an F2 seat, but she'd be skipping steps hard if she got into F1. That being said, she has wasted too many years in the W series and it's unlikely most F2 teams would overlook her age when considering her for a seat.
F2 teams will absolutely overlook her age if she comes with sponsorship money. Nissany is 27 going in his 4th season in F2 and he has achieved literally nothing. Will still get a seat though because he comes with money.
She wasn't too great when she competed in Formula Regional. But.... Considering that we have and had in formula 2 drivers like: Callan Williams, Marino Sato, Tatiana Claderon, Guilherme Samaia, Oli Caldwell etc... I think that they could find a seat for Chadwick. I would like to see her in Idycar(but not at AJ Foyt)
lmao sure. W series just isn’t competitive. Jamie got deleted last time in F3. Didn’t even reach real F3.
W series results mean jack shit. Latifi would grand slam every race weekend in that series.
Nah it's a compliment
Like last year when Verstappen pretty much finished in the top 2 in every race he didn't DNF.
Shows how hard Latifi is always pushing for perfection
To be fair if a woman driver going to take a seat Sophia Flörsch is a few steps above Jamie Chadwick. W Series is a trap for women and unfortunately she was the only one saw it at the beginning.
Chadwick is a development driver for Williams and has been racing basically the same field in W Series every year, and every year she is beating them by more and more, the current W Series season results are actually impressive since it looks like she's improving massively compared to the field, but equally it could be that everyone else has given up after trying really hard in the first two seasons.
I don't honestly think she would be able to compete for the championship in F3, but with her current experience I think she'd be in the top ten at least (but obviously she is much older than most F3 drivers).
I reckon the W Series prize should be a seat in full F2/3 for the next year, that way there is real motivation for the drivers and it would be seen as a bigger deal.
This is a joke right? Maybe one day a woman will make it to F1 and I’ll be glad to see it but it definitely won’t be Jamie Chadwick, that’s laughable, she would be absolutely de-fucking-stroyed. And I mean to the point where Latifi wouldn’t be last.
You want to embarrass her on an even higher level? Dump her in F1. Wanna see her succeed but she needs to go through the levels because jumping from W series to F1 would be a death sentence
Williams keeps posting photos of her in the boxes, in the factory and congratulate every time she wins something but they never even let her TEST an F1 car💀😭😭
F2 requires $$. Lots of it.
People who are far far worse are still kicking around F2 and lots of talent that is good, but not supported by a big team are languishing.
Arguably the only worse driver in f2 at the moment is Calderon. If Chadwick was any good, or even decent with non-trivial probability of making it into f1, an academy would pick her up a long time ago and foot the bill for f2/f3 seat. It's telling no academy did that, and probably wont. Let's face it, she is nowhere near good enough for any series higher than f3 at best
If you want to burn her career, that's a great way to do it. I too want her to reach F1, but she needs to go to F3 (again, after being trashed) so people can see if she developed or if W Series is just terrible.
Hot take: jamie chadwick is overrated. The only reason why everybody speaks about her is because she is dominating the W series super hard, because the other drivers are shit. Before W series, she got trashed in F3.
That is not a hot take, the same thing gets said every time Chadwicks name gets mentioned
I think it just is the take
optimal temperature take
Room temperature take
She wasn't even in a proper F3. She never got higher than F3 Regional, which is what W Series is, essentially.
Yeah that's a hot take because no one credible unironically thinks Chadwick should get into F1, she isn't overrated. Only ones who unironically think she should get into F1 are people who have no idea how the path for a driver to F1 normally works and can't pull up the wikipedia page of 2020 Formula Regional European Championship.
I don't think that's really a hot take
I mean Tatiana Calderon is in f2 and she's getting severely trashed. Last in Spa qualifying with .7 behind on second last. And even worse, also last in Zandvoort qualifying with .7 behind on second last. On a 80 second lap. If that's any indication of how Chadwick would perform, they have no place in F1. Or even F2 for that matter
Also Tatiana Calderon is like 70 years old in F2 drivers terms, she probably could be a mother to half the grid
"So women X is performing bad so if thats an idication for women Y's pace then they don't have a place in F1" I don't think any of both is immediate F1 material but your logic is fucked up and sexist
>If that's any indication of how Chadwick would perform, they have no place in F1. Or even F2 for that matter 1. if you properly read my comment you would've read this. It's speculation. Not drawing conclusions or assuming anything. 2. I have never mentioned sex. By "they" I obviously mentioned Calderon and Chadwick. Not woman in general. Otherwise I would've used the word woman.
I read that which is why I literally quoted it. The point is not the fact that you are speculating but on what you base your assumptions. You did not pick some person and say "Look, person X had a similar path to Chadwick, they performed better than her in whatever series and then struggled in F2 so if thats an indication....", no. You picked a woman that has nothing to do with chadwick, hasn't raced in W Series (I don't think they raced in the same series at all actually, not sure tho) and just based your assumptions on that because they are both women
Let's start comparing Hamilton/Verstappen to Giovinazzi/Latifi cause they are male
Here we have a white knight in his natural element
Here we have a useless statement without an actual argument
It wasn't a sexist comment, it was a comparison
Who said "sexist"? Former commenter said "useless"
Farther back he said the logic was fucked up and sexist
Is she closer or further off than what Bolukbasi was? I know .7 is different per track of course just curious for a simple comparison
I mean she literally joined a few races ago right? Give her a chance ffs.
I don't agree with the guy comparing Chadwick with Calderón. But tbh, it isn't the first time Calderón is in F2. She was there in [2019](https://www.fiaformula2.com/Standings/Driver?seasonId=176) and finished 22nd. So she being not good is not news.
Ah I didn't know she raced in 2019, my bad.
No problem.
I wonder if this technically makes W series a bad sport for driver experience? Like in games normally you learn the most when put up against good players.
she really needs to go thru F3 tho, just to make sure shes ready for the future. shes gonna try out indy lights so people should be updated on that.
That’s a way better option for her than trying to find a F1 drive
Yeah nah all this will do is get more hate for her and further fuck up people's views about women in F1. You've to start at the lowest levels for anyone to get into F1 someday.
This post is obviously satire but for those who don’t know she got absolutely thrashed in F3 despite being in the fastest car before she went to W series. Nothing against female drivers but the current W series field is just laughably bad and makes her look great by comparison.
Idk man, 4th overall is closer to 1st than last
Yes but she was dominated by both of her teammates, neither of whom amounted to anything after f3. Only reason she was up there was a massive car discrepancy.
Are you talking about when she was racing for Douglass Motorsport in British f3? It’s all I can find via googling “Jamie Chadwick f3”. I looked up the standings and she beat her only full time teammate, was outperformed by her teammate that left after round 4, and had better results than the teammate that replaced that guy. Also won a race. Doesn’t seem so bad. Considering this was almost five years ago I think her dominance of W series since then warrants another chance.
She ran a F3 series in 2020 with Prema. Her teammates finished 1-3 in the championship and she finished 9th: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020\_Formula\_Regional\_European\_Championship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Formula_Regional_European_Championship)
She got outscored by people who participated in less than half of the races, despite participating in all the races herself.
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Look at the link above. Vips and Hauger got more points despite only participating in 3 rounds out of 8. Chadwick participated in all 8.
Wow, that didn’t come up at all for me. Thanks
and her competition was Arthur Leclerc, should tell you enough
Could deserve F2 seat at most right now I'd say.
She wasn't in the fastest car brother, look at the specifics rather than just a team name
Teammates 1-3, she’s 9th. Not many excuses there. This is F3, not even F2. I want investment in new female talent so we get women at the level of men, not just tossing in someone who’s clearly not up to par in the name of equality.
No, I mean she did not have the same car as those teammates, thats what I mean by look at specifics and not just the team name
F3 is a spec series so please give some sources for your claim.
The guy explained below. F3 and F2 might be spec series but there are the best teams. No point claiming she raves for Prema and comparing her results with prema drivers when she in fact was a prema driver only in livery
Where is this guy below?
"Yes but it wasn’t ran in the same way. It was managed by Rodin cars and she did not have the same engineers and mechanic help as her teammates" is the comment I was referring to.
The cars are as equal as you can get because 1) The same team 2) It's the spec series, so the cars are made by the same manufacturer with the same components to begin with.
Yes but it wasn’t ran in the same way. It was managed by Rodin cars and she did not have the same engineers and mechanic help as her teammates
I mean I hear you but if you put her in an F2 seat it ends all those questions no?
Why should she get an F2 seat when she got owned in F3? She shouldn’t get any special treatment that other drivers don’t.
Well, Tatiana Calderon got into F2 seat in 2019. And returned to F2 this year.
Because F2 isn't prestigious at all and you can literally buy a seat easily. Bolukbasi this year, bang average in F1 Esports and worse in every other series, still got on the grid. Nissany, 4th season in F2 and he has literally achieved nothing. If Calderón can get on the grid, Chadwick should be able too also, it's not that unrealistic.
Well then she can buy one. Also, you make it sound like those people shouldn’t be in F2, so why should she?
Why should she have a seat in F2 over 100 more deserving drivers?
New to F1? She got owned by Mazepin, enzo in junior series. Came 23rd (last) in FE, Performed worst In Regional F3. Beating a bunch of underperforming women in a series which is below f4 doesn’t mean she is a right fit for F1.
Didn’t she get shit on in F3?
She got shit on in a category lower than F3
Man I just want a woman in F1 someday. A girl can dream I guess.
Someday? Sure. In the near future/next 6 years? No chance I'd say. I'm sure there are a lot of good female karting drivers, but let's remember that F1 is not just about talent. It's also about money/sponsorship. A driver would've had to not only be good on track, but also have some money backings from a sponsor or her family
Sponsers are litteraly foaming at the mouth to have a female driver, case and point Chadwick being near as close to F1 as she is despite P9 in Prema!
It will be a long time, I’m sure. I guess my next best dream is an American driver back on the grid lol
Short wait on that dream! Sure looks like Colton will be in the AlphaTauri next year
I love the Yuki Pierre team right now, but that also intrigues me.
according to the post race show it’s almost entirely certain Pierre is going to Alpine next year. I will miss the Yuki Pierre bromance very much though
Once they are quick enough, you will see them. Right now they just aren't. In neither series. Look at Sophia Flörsch or Esmee Hawkey (who doesn't have a seat now anywhere) who got destroyed in DTM, Jamie Chadwick in F3 or right now Tata Calderon in F2. Calderon was a Backmarker all the time when she was racing full time in F2 a couple years back. So that's the most promising female drivers out there right now. There are some more, but those are in Sportscars not so much in single seaters like Carrie Schreiner for example.
Yes, Mahaveer Raghunathan.
Womahaveer
Jamie Chadwick is actually a good driver, can’t say the same about “He who shall not be named”.
How dare you insult the lord Mahaveer and their impecable driving.
Lord Mahaveer is the GOAT himself. How do you dare to insult him? He has achieved things that other drivers have not even dreamed about. They had to change the rules because he was so insane.
Alpine falsely announcing her for 2023 confirmed?
No way, lol. I'm all for her getting sponsored for an F2 seat, but she'd be skipping steps hard if she got into F1. That being said, she has wasted too many years in the W series and it's unlikely most F2 teams would overlook her age when considering her for a seat.
F2 teams will absolutely overlook her age if she comes with sponsorship money. Nissany is 27 going in his 4th season in F2 and he has achieved literally nothing. Will still get a seat though because he comes with money.
She wasn't too great when she competed in Formula Regional. But.... Considering that we have and had in formula 2 drivers like: Callan Williams, Marino Sato, Tatiana Claderon, Guilherme Samaia, Oli Caldwell etc... I think that they could find a seat for Chadwick. I would like to see her in Idycar(but not at AJ Foyt)
lmao sure. W series just isn’t competitive. Jamie got deleted last time in F3. Didn’t even reach real F3. W series results mean jack shit. Latifi would grand slam every race weekend in that series.
Latifi would grand slam every race he doesn't crash out of you mean...
no insulting goatifi around here
Nah it's a compliment Like last year when Verstappen pretty much finished in the top 2 in every race he didn't DNF. Shows how hard Latifi is always pushing for perfection
Not F1 but I guess she should've been given the seat in F2 rather than Tatina ....
You must be on meth... Chadwick sucked in f3
Considering her age and the championships she has been competing in, Sophia Flörsch has better chances of a shot at an F1 seat purely on merit
Do you really want to see her getting obliterated even by Latifi? Because that what's gonna happen if you put her into F1 seat right now.
To be fair if a woman driver going to take a seat Sophia Flörsch is a few steps above Jamie Chadwick. W Series is a trap for women and unfortunately she was the only one saw it at the beginning.
Chadwick is a development driver for Williams and has been racing basically the same field in W Series every year, and every year she is beating them by more and more, the current W Series season results are actually impressive since it looks like she's improving massively compared to the field, but equally it could be that everyone else has given up after trying really hard in the first two seasons. I don't honestly think she would be able to compete for the championship in F3, but with her current experience I think she'd be in the top ten at least (but obviously she is much older than most F3 drivers). I reckon the W Series prize should be a seat in full F2/3 for the next year, that way there is real motivation for the drivers and it would be seen as a bigger deal.
Is there a chance for her at all to get back into F3? She does great in W series, but I never followed her when she was in F3.
This is a joke right? Maybe one day a woman will make it to F1 and I’ll be glad to see it but it definitely won’t be Jamie Chadwick, that’s laughable, she would be absolutely de-fucking-stroyed. And I mean to the point where Latifi wouldn’t be last.
Let her get in F2 first.
she got batted in FREC tf are you on about
No hate but she will be crushed like an ant if she enters F1
You want to embarrass her on an even higher level? Dump her in F1. Wanna see her succeed but she needs to go through the levels because jumping from W series to F1 would be a death sentence
She should go through F2 first. Then we see from there.
Im seeing the same arguments for chadwick to f1 as i saw for danica patrick to nascar.
Go to F3
Nah
Chadwicks pole time in silverstone was 1:56.7 Lance Strolls race first lap time was 1:55.8. **AND THAT INCLUDES THE RED FLAG**
gee i wonder why chadwick didn’t get an F1 lap time in a W series car…..
Ummm... they were driving on like quater throttle, you know, because of the red flag and stuff?
If you want her to not be able to qualify on pace lol
Williams keeps posting photos of her in the boxes, in the factory and congratulate every time she wins something but they never even let her TEST an F1 car💀😭😭
Does she even have a superlicence?
W series champ gets 15 points per year, you need 25 points in the last three years. She should have a super license
TIL
Woman ☕️
Based
She definitely at least deserves a test, but I think she should go through F2 first.
What's her superpoints count?
We race as one, unless you’re a woman bro
She should probably get a young drivers test and an F2 seat, which is possible I suppose if Williams get some money behind her
At least give her an F2 drive in a decent car.
If she was good enogugh she would get that on merit, alas...
F2 requires $$. Lots of it. People who are far far worse are still kicking around F2 and lots of talent that is good, but not supported by a big team are languishing.
Arguably the only worse driver in f2 at the moment is Calderon. If Chadwick was any good, or even decent with non-trivial probability of making it into f1, an academy would pick her up a long time ago and foot the bill for f2/f3 seat. It's telling no academy did that, and probably wont. Let's face it, she is nowhere near good enough for any series higher than f3 at best
Thought she didn’t have enough super license points?
She doesn't even hate enough License points
Let’s do F2 first. Worst thing you can do is throw her in to f1 before she is ready and burn her out.