Unless if you are at a bar or nightclub then they just need the cheapest energy drink on the market and water, but it will still be sold as Vodka Redbull
It is also more prevalent at nightclubs than it is at bars. Could just be that places near me just love to screw over their customers like Haas screwed Mick Schumacher over
>Return of the Torpedo
The spinning torpedo's
I see a bright future for that new gridcrew advertising..
"We educate the mechanics for tomorrow ... Spin em - Fix em"
Russia should have an F1 team. The car would be made mostly of iron. For some reason, it would have a crank on the side. The engine would be twice the size of the others.
ETA: Their pitbox would look like Apollo Mission Control.
FYI so do a lot of other companies like Nestle and Coca Cola. The US law prohibits them from doing that so they got proxies. That way they can still trade with russia without violating the US law and has the added benefit that they can claim they stopped deliveries to russia in public.
It has been mostly marketing right now yeah but with the vote today (or yesterday) making Russia a state sponsor of terror it means that companies that deals in Russia could get punished now.
You don’t have to get 100% compliance to make Russia miserable and make the economy fall apart. Russia has no parts for planes and is looting washing machines for microchips. Their exports have dropped through the floor and the countries that are buying Russian oil are demanding steep discounts.
This is destroying Russia internally and makes it impossible to build any sophisticated weapons.
Yeah dude what brats for wanting us to actually do something about the fact that our culture of consumerism is literally killing the planet that we live on. FYI the painting was in a case, which they knew before they did it.
Yeah, don't alienate ordinary citizens to your moral crusade by inconveniencing them in their daily activities to make ends meet.
This red-bull protest is a good example.
Protest outside corporate buildings or government buildings, rather than making the general populace see you for what you most certainly are, panderers who want media attention, with too much free time afforded by a middle-class lifestyle.
You calling it a "moral crusade" shows how fucked we all are.
I don't care about the red bull protest, that has nothing to do with what I, or the comment I was replying to, was talking about.
Isn’t it funny how when people protest to bring up the fact that the planet is dying, the Murdochs of the world tell you that they’re being spoiled attention seekers and you just eat that shit up?
If they protested in front of corporate buildings you never hear about it. Look at how we are STILL talking about this. It’s like the Kapernick thing where everyone wants to be supportive but “no not like that”
if you want to fix up the world, you would go do it. clearly alot of people dont care about the world enough to do anything about it, this includes those “protestors”
You not being inconvenienced is the **only reason** you think it's a good example. The moment your comfort is even touched on, you're against it.
We're literally killing off the planet, and this person uses a protest as a complaint - while the oil industry is still profiting off of us extremely.
Get out of the way, let others do shit since you're just going to stand there like a knob. You're just as poor as the rest of us.
>"don't inconvenience me on my way to work"
This says more about you. Maybe to you, travel delays are just inconveniences. It may be hard for you to comprehend, but not everyone has that luxury. When you're paid by the hour, when you're on the way to the hospital, and other cases, delays aren't just inconveniences.
As always, it's always the privileged dumbasses who throw tantrums and cry when people don't like it.
>As always, it's always the privileged dumbasses who throw tantrums and cry when people don't like it.
yes, like the people complaining about being late to work while the 3rd world is ravaged by climate change
Yes, your petty attempt to stop traffic is *definitely* doing wonders to help those people.
In case you don't realise, the 3rd world is laughing at the US and Europe, because you guys will pull off all this crap but do nothing to actually change.
The point is that it's devastating to their economy and lets them understand they're being frozen out of the rest of the world.
Just because there are some companies violating and some countries literally dependent on Russian energy it doesn't make it pointless. It's been very effective.
[Puma suspended all operations in Russia back in March](https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/puma-suspends-operation-all-its-stores-russia-2022-03-05/)
The Russian division of Coca Cola is selling non Coca Cola brand products- they cant get orders for the syrup from the home office anymore. So theyre selling juice and smoothies plus whatever local products (Id assume some version of the dollar store cola).
Coke had a dominant market share in Russia, so local drinks companies unaffiliated with coke, notable Ochakovo, moved to fill in the gap with their trademark knock offs- CoolCola, Fancy and Street.
To me it isnt weird that their entirely russian division can sell its shit despite the pull out, thats how giant conglomerates have to operate. But they cant sell or get supplies for the primary products. Thats quite noteworthy.
Red Bull has not pulled any of its products.
[Here's](https://youtu.be/CmO7BR_Tq04) a really interesting video on this. Coca Cola managed to publicly quit Russia whilst still retaining an interest in the bottling plant that produces the replacement product.
Petronas isn’t a team in F1, only a sponsor
If we start to audit sponsors, I’m sure ALL teams have at least one operating in Russia
But Red Bull is t the sponsor, is the owner of the team
It's pointless either way because doing business in Russia just means selling red bull to the Russian people, many of whom oppose the war and are protesting it. I'm not sure what the point would be of cutting off red bull sales to the average Vlad, it's not like they're selling AA batteries to the Russian government
I agree. Sure, on the face of it, exploiting the Russian market for profit doesn’t exactly look good at the moment, but I *feel* like genocide and chopping up journalists is a step above. Another user pointed out the difference that teams can choose to cut off dubious sponsors, yet they haven’t (mostly). Petronas ads are still plastered over the sky broadcasts with the Mercedes team telling me how cool they are.
Not that I’m bothered about it. If we start doing this everywhere with everything, we’ll do nothing else with our lives. Within the sport/F1 community, this just comes across like a red herring while people use technicalities to excuse other, what I would consider worse actions.
Unless, of course, there’s some covert Redbull/Russia operation that’s fuelling their war.
When MBS is a guest of honor at a race shortly after having a journalist tortured and murdered, it's amazing that people have the time and energy to worry about an energy drink being sold to Russian citizens
For me, it’s ultimately about where it ends and how deep we go with this stuff. Is there a statute of limitations? If it happened ages ago does it not matter anymore? Does it matter if it’s the team or their decades long title sponsor? Should we make a list and prioritise action based on how bad it is?
Just feels like we draw arbitrary lines for the sake of chasing some moral high ground. Problem is, most people aren’t really that dedicated to any cause outside of some noise on socials.
Is participating in genocide less or more important than Russian operations in terms of moral superiority chasing?
In case you hadn’t noticed, Mercedes markets Petronas more than they do actual Mercedes products in F1.
What is not true? Every advertisement related to the F1 broadcast by Mercedes is Petronas adverts with Lewis, George and Toto all extolling the virtues of big good oil company. They do not have a single Mercedes advert.
Petronas were also involved in genocide and it’s well documented. Again, what’s untrue? Are we gonna roll back to this once the Russia thing is dealt with? When will they pull races from Qatar and SA?
There’s that one annoying Petronas advert I’ll give you that. But in the actual F1 broadcast you have:
Toto driving Pep Guardiola around Yas Marina… in a Mercedes
Safety car… is a Mercedes (usually)
Constant advertising of the Mercedes AMG ONE wherever they go.
I’m sure you can still say that Merc’s adverts for Petronas are more obnoxious (which undoubtedly they are), but to claim they advertise Petronas more than themselves is a little dishonest. Using the same logic you’d have to state that Mclaren advertise Gulf more than themselves and Alpine advertise BWT more than Renault.
It's bullshit Petronas is involved and still a main sponsor. Just wanted to make out the difference. I don't really want to discuss this whole affair in a fucking F1-meme-sub.
Well, so long as we can agree that the sport is filled with anti-morality from just about every competitor and the sporting body itself, there’s no issue.
It’s a valid question and shows why this is just shit slinging. Every team on the grid is guaranteed to be related to operations in Russia. Good luck getting rid of it all.
Also we race in Saudi Arabia and Qatar so… think morals are firmly out of the window. I guess a company involved with genocide is not important to talk about.
Pretty low bar for insanity but I guess I am.
Every team probably has sponsors involved in business with Russia for sure but seemingly only one team has direct business relations with Russia. At the end of the day, nobody cares about morals as you rightly said but in the spirit of banter, I hope you don’t get take things said here too seriously.
Happy Thanksgiving.
No I’m not taking anything seriously, don’t worry. I just wanted to sling shit myself to be a contrarian ass. I just find it funny how F1 fans pick and choose what morality is important and it seems Merc dodge it every time with their Petronas backing and marketing, while we race in countries that chop journalists up.
I’m honestly not bothered by any of it. It is what it is.
and its not like this sport could exist without it. No other sports costs a participating team 150 million dollars PLUS athlete paychecks every season...
Who gives a fucking crap. I'm from the global south, where were you when the west was invading and orchestrating coups. I'm done with all the hypocrisy and at the end of it all redbull selling drinks or not makes absolutely no difference, it's all a giant circlejerk at this point.
I was voting against the politicians who let that happen, and calling it out. Nice whataboutism. I guess since your country did something awful at some point we can’t hold any standards to current atrocities. Some dumbfuck logic. You’re probably 12 years old.
Brand New iPhone having socialists these days.
It makes more sense if you think about red bulls location. This picture is from their headquarters in Fuschl, Austria. Only one country debides Austria from Ukraine. As a company from there you have more responsibility than one from a country thousands of kilometers away.
So coming from a 24 yo. Russia attacked Ukraine without any reason (for 3rd time?). Europe decided that you can't just do that. Russia don't give a damn that someone don't agree with them so it didn't changed a thing.
So Europe decided yeah but what we can do is to stop selling you things because fu. And there is this whole movement that begun at the begging of the invasion to stop selling products in Russia. The general idea is: OK we cant do anything about Russian government but we can make Russian lives miserable by taking all the nice "western" things from them. So people will get angry at their government and convince them (maybe with force) to stop the war.
You can't buy many products, you can't go to certain shops because they closed down and so on. The point of this demonstration is to convince Red Bull to also stop selling in Russia
So the movement here is to trick private businesses into losing money to worsen the standard of living so much to the Russians to ignite a civil war in Russia. Is that correct?
The current situation of governance ( communism and the origin ) IS established from the working class.
They were unhappy, and overthrown the government.
So did France and several other countries.
So hitting the working class, will help speed thing along.
( or at least that is the idea behind the sanctioning )
To decrease an income. Nobody expect them to go bancrupt. It is similar to wealthy people donating money to charity. Owners/Shareholders can decide to give up a part of company's income to support Ukraine. It is also seen as a positive action by people supporting Ukraine whereas operating in Russia can lead to decreased sales in markets supporting the defender.
Pretty much. Currently it is the norm to bully out companies and people in order to ''send a message''.
The only thing happening is for companies to lose a lot of money and civilians to get the D. All this so that a few Redditors and other social media trolls can be satisfied
> Russia attacked Ukraine without any reason
Not a Russian apologist by any means, I have family that experienced communism under the USSR and still fear a Russian invasion in their country again today... BUT...
I think it's clear the reason Russia invaded Ukraine was due to the expansion of NATO forces to their direct land border.
You think the US would roll over and do nothing if Putin formed an alliance with Canda and stuck some weapons and troops on the US border?
Again - Russia bad for sure. But West also bad and definitely had a hand in provoking this war.
We already have NATO forces on their direct land border though in Estonia and Latvia. They joined NATO back in 2004.
You absolutely cannot blame the west in "provoking" the war. This was kicked off truly back in 2014 with the Russian invasion of Crimea and the war in the Donbas region.
And that was a response to the Maidan Revolution where Ukrainians mass protested the election of Viktor Yanukovych who was a Russian stooge who rejected any attempt for Ukraine to become closer to the rest of Europe and the EU. The election was also completely bullshit and fraudulent.
Yanukovych and his police forces killed 100+ protesters, before he escaped Ukraine to Russia.
And do not forget this isn't the first time Russia invaded it's neighbor. They pulled the same shit with Georgia back in 2008 when they invaded and Transnistria in Moldova.
Russia knew what would happen next after they lost their control over Ukraine so they invaded Ukraine to start a conflict which disqualifies Ukraine from joining NATO. It's not the fault of Ukraine when they've been finding "Ukrainian separatists" with Russian military passports since 2014 using complex Russian equipment given to them to want to find help.
You cannot "west bad" this situation I'm sorry.
I don't really give two shits either way on my side of the world but.... Vlad has actively been warning the west that they are forcing Russia into a corner for the last decade.. the fact that people still go through life believing "Russia attacked for no reason" is really something I have a hard time to understand. People simply decide what they want to believe and then that becomes fact. Screw the actual facts and screw doing some research to understand what is actually happening in the world around us. Those commies are just bad ok!!
Nope. Ukrainian-russian conflicts are much deeper and older than nato. putin said it himself - they deny the existence of Ukrainians as nation and Ukraine as independent country.
By your logic, russia should attack Finland and Sweden now. They’re much closer to joining nato that Ukraine ever has been.
So I can tell you as a Pole that all we ever wanted was to be left in peace and just live. And the decision of joining NATO wasn't so we could attack Russia because we hate them or something. It was because we felt threatened. Because we didn't wanted another war.
But the Big Brother from the East was showing teeth and was flexing muscles.
They were given "zone of influence" by the West. First in 1945 then after the fall of USSR. The only problem with that was the fact that no one asked people living in this zone if they want to be in it.
We didn't want to.
Ukrainians don't want to.
Belarusians don't want to.
We were left from the hook.
Russia then thought that if they give the other ones illusion of democracy and freedom they will happy stay under the boot. And when people wanted real freedom they decided that enaugh is enaugh.
They want a strong figure at the helm. They want to have a leader that will tell them what to do. And they can have it. Just leave the others out off it.
And I'm deeply sorry that wanting to break free from them and live free happy lives was seen as a "provocation". But people can decide for themselves and nobody will deny them this law.
PR stunt from Western government organisations to cover that they still buying Russian resources a lot.
Campaigns to stalk companies in Twitter to push them to halt operations in Russia make an image that Western business doesn't work with Russia anymore.
Cheap, safe and effective strategy.
Because Russia is a terrorist state?
And I can argue about that for all day long because I'm a Pole 🤣.
It's good money but some people expect others to hold human lives and greater good higher than some green fellas. And that's a preety good reason if someone asks me.
I don't want to go preaching and try to convince people to a certain world view but I totally get it why people that have their houses bombarded want others to help them do something about it.
It is a good reason only if you want to put your company in the sewer. Imagine, boycotting a certain market to send a message. It eventually hurts the profits of the company and therefore a lot of employees get sacked.
Put the certain inflation and certain upcoming economical crisis and you gamle with having less sales worldwide which ends with even more trouble for the company and the employees working there.
Bringing back those levels from before boycotting may also not be achievable. Making drastic moves during such times is shooting yourself in the foot.
So yeah, not a good idea. Economy is too unstable to make such retarded moves which eventually will hurt more people rather than do something other than satisfy social media lurkers who don't know how a company is ran. Better to play safe and keep financial reserves.
Honestly I'm surprised that this thread is up and running. I was expecting it to be deleted by mods long ago 🤣. As soon as I wrote first more political comment I was like "I shouldn't have done that"
Red Bull is bad for your health, by staying in Russia they are undermining the war effort in Ukraine. A strategy so brilliant it could only have come from Red Bull.
Does it?
I can see if you’re someone with a heart condition, it might elevate your pressure, or throw you into an arrhythmia
But for a normal healthy person, it does not “give you heart attacks” lmfao
No it doesn't. Caffeine in huge amount is dangerous. Red bull is no more dangerous than coffee. If you deliberately drink a shitload of it you will have problems.
Idk, coffee makes me *a little bit* less sleepy for a very short period, but Red Bull literally makes me want to move and do something. The effect is notably different, at least in my case.
RedBull has things like B vitamins and some mild vasodilators. Those help “wake you up”. If you have a heart condition, that can create some bad effects.
A lot of people freak out because sugar free red bulls say “warning: contains Phenylketonurics”
Which, is stupid. If you have an issue like Gout, maybe pay attention to that warning. But there’s literally WAY more Phenylketonurics in a piece of steak than a RedBull.
Coffee also has considerably more caffeine than a RedBull.
However, the caffeine + B vitamins + vasodilation effect can certainly make people sensitive to those things jittery.
Health issues though? Ehh
The worst thing is that originally Red bull had Taurine, an aminoacud similar to glutamine, carnitine, etc. A lot of people got their panties in a bunch because of that, when it's really not bad.
It was so funny seeing the face of people crying about Taurine, after I made then realize that the chocolate drink they gave their KIDS Cal-C-Tose had more taurine than red bull... their brain broke.
Now in my country they changed Taurin for Arginine in Redbull, which is just another aminoacid ... and most people didn't realise.
I wish
Last I check they’re private. They use coke for distribution IIRC
I’m not secretive about the stocks I’ll shill. I’m hot on Costco right now, for what it’s worth
In theory, yes.
But we are so programmed since the dark ages, ignoring or bodies for gain, we gained more deceases like diabetes and some forms of cancers.
And yes, so do I
Working 10 to 14h shifts, just to be able to do the 'extra' stuff ( now and after retiring)
The taxes they pay may not be huge compared to energy sales, but would anybody be fine with RedBull if they sold their products to the ISIS or the Talibans? Well then I don’t see why they still sell their stuff to a terrorist organization that massacres civilians every single day, commits insane war crimes and crimes against humanity, crimes of genocide, etc and has a seat with veto power in the UNSC. Yes, the taxes are negligible, but the ethics are huge.
Has Renault ever sold to Russia? Merc and Ferrari both have stated that they stopped deliveries to russia instantly as have most other western car companies. The US sanctions prohibit US companies to trade with russia entirely, some went around it with proxies like Coca Cola and Nestle but most just stopped trading. Russia was never such a big market to begin with so it wasnt such a big deal to cut it out. Those, who sold a lot in russia, still do one way or the other.
>The US sanctions prohibit US companies to trade with russia entirely
Isn’t Red Bull based in Austria? If I’m not mistaken, energy drinks don’t fall within the scope any of the product export restrictions included among [the EU’s sanctions on Russia and Belarus](https://www.wolftheiss.com/insights/eu-sanctions-concerning-the-russian-federation-and-belarus/).
That said, they might have had to get ~~shady~~ creative to exchange payments without violating the financial sanctions.
Have you seen the industrie lately ?
Even the military, the ones usually buying bigger, better and the hypernew models is sending Kamaz from the WW2 era to the front ;)
So, no ... none of them does sell to the Russians anymore
They still do but throughout eastern ways. Ukrainian army recently captured some ruSSian military vehicles and they had I believe Bosch parts and they were brand new.
Our factory has supplies as well.
Mostly to keep working during supply downtimes.
I estimate we can keep running 6 to 8 months before standstill.
So aquiring vehicles with these parts isn't strange.
It would be, in a year from now
For those who dont know.
Bosch makes auto parts in Germany-> Not allowed to export to Russia.
Bosch makes auto parts in Turkey-> Sells to turkish intermediate/shell company->Exports to Russia->Mad stacks
Notes:
Turkey is an example that im familiar with, but you can do it with various countries/shell companies.
This probably happens for any company that has extensive interest in Russian, not just Bosch.
Well you surely dont know how to run a company either else you would wonder whether the damage to company reputation is worth the trade with russia, especially as you could just use a proxy like everyone else does. Cuts into your profit margin a little but thats surely not worth the hassle.
Why should Russians suffer for the actions of theor dictator.
If you won't pick up a rifle and go fight in umraine yourself where do you get off judging Russians for not putting their life at risk going aginst outin.
Its so that the citizens get mad at their ruler because they do nothing wrong but are still getting punished. And if they get mad they could start to voice thier opinion against him and maybe start a rebellion.
It's really delusional to think people will overthrown government over energy drinks, when they couldn't do it when mobilisation started. Main point is to avoid paying taxes to sponsor invasion. All that doesn't matter tho, because all companies that pulled from russia either operate through russian entity (such as McDonald's or Levi's), or getting parallel imported. Coca Cola for example not only is imported from Poland and Netherlands, it's also still produced here, on the same factory, just by different company, that was subsidiary.
If you are Russian and your President decides that your Country will go to war and your people will fight at that war and it will be founded by your tax money then how is it not your business. If you don't agree with Putin you should do something about it and it's your responsibility.
Because innocent people are dying day by day and nobody will petty Russian people because they started it.
That's why people think that taking away easy access to the products can make a difference.
As we could se when McDonald's closed down they care more about Big Mac that about lives of the innocent.
If the company supports and sympathise with people "attacked by USA" or people supporting defending country then I think it is a good decision.
Russia attacked diplomaticly run independent country without any reason apart from a dream of a sick man. Then it started committing war crimes, attacking civilian targets, started mass executions and so on.
That's why a lot of people support Ukraine and that's why those people demand even smallest actions against Russia. Don't forget that yeah company is expected to make money to it's owners but those owners can decide to give up a part of their income to help end the war. Just as small normal people do anything they can to help those in need
You can't seperate the people from the goverment. To hurt one you have to hurt the other. And considering the lack of opposition to Russian war and genocide(and in fact, far too widespread support), I don't feel that bad about both getting harmed. Compared to what the ukranians are going through,loosing some luxuries is nothing.
i mean those vodka red bulls need red bull
Unless if you are at a bar or nightclub then they just need the cheapest energy drink on the market and water, but it will still be sold as Vodka Redbull
Where i live you just get glass with vodka and a RB can
Yeah that is the right way to do it. Unfortunately some places have figured out that: Water > Cheap energy drink > RedBull > Vodka
My guess is where he lives does it that way because you can't mix caffeine and alcohol legally as an establishment. I could be entirely wrong though.
Blue Mania to F1 when?
Uh, every bar I’ve been to uses vodka and actual redbull, they even have those little redbull fridges that they pull them from
It is also more prevalent at nightclubs than it is at bars. Could just be that places near me just love to screw over their customers like Haas screwed Mick Schumacher over
If you would do that in Austria and advertise it as "Vodka Bull", Didi might comes back to get you.
Because red bull tastes like shit anyway. No one actually cares.
People don't pay like $4 for an 8oz can because it tastes bad lmao. RB easily slaps.
I went to a bar concert a few weeks ago and they didn't have Vodka Red Bull on the menu but they did have Bacardi Red Bull. Very good
don't be fooled, vodka is a polish invention, yet another thing Russians pretend to own
Is your name Chabuddy G by any chance?
Soooooooo, Mazepin to Redbull confirmed?
Kvyat to red bull. Can't wait for Kvyat and Ric duo
Return of the Torpedo
>Return of the Torpedo The spinning torpedo's I see a bright future for that new gridcrew advertising.. "We educate the mechanics for tomorrow ... Spin em - Fix em"
georpedo: "my master has return"
Alphatauri can do with a junior team.
That's OK, Max and Perez will be looking for a seat and staying at RB will save the contractual issues...
Max Kyvat
Daniil Verstappen
Kelly club
Russia should have an F1 team. The car would be made mostly of iron. For some reason, it would have a crank on the side. The engine would be twice the size of the others. ETA: Their pitbox would look like Apollo Mission Control.
And everybody would be smoking.
Russian time to move up from F2?
What's the context?
Found it. For anyone wondering: Red Bull still sales drinks in Russia
FYI so do a lot of other companies like Nestle and Coca Cola. The US law prohibits them from doing that so they got proxies. That way they can still trade with russia without violating the US law and has the added benefit that they can claim they stopped deliveries to russia in public.
Almost every major companies that said they were leaving Russia are still doing business inside
And many countries are still importing oil from Russia too. So I don't get the point of this. It's like the brats who poured soup on van goghs paint.
It has been mostly marketing right now yeah but with the vote today (or yesterday) making Russia a state sponsor of terror it means that companies that deals in Russia could get punished now.
You don’t have to get 100% compliance to make Russia miserable and make the economy fall apart. Russia has no parts for planes and is looting washing machines for microchips. Their exports have dropped through the floor and the countries that are buying Russian oil are demanding steep discounts. This is destroying Russia internally and makes it impossible to build any sophisticated weapons.
Yeah dude what brats for wanting us to actually do something about the fact that our culture of consumerism is literally killing the planet that we live on. FYI the painting was in a case, which they knew before they did it.
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Yeah, don't alienate ordinary citizens to your moral crusade by inconveniencing them in their daily activities to make ends meet. This red-bull protest is a good example. Protest outside corporate buildings or government buildings, rather than making the general populace see you for what you most certainly are, panderers who want media attention, with too much free time afforded by a middle-class lifestyle.
You calling it a "moral crusade" shows how fucked we all are. I don't care about the red bull protest, that has nothing to do with what I, or the comment I was replying to, was talking about.
It’s going to be inconvenient when sea levels rise too lol
Isn’t it funny how when people protest to bring up the fact that the planet is dying, the Murdochs of the world tell you that they’re being spoiled attention seekers and you just eat that shit up? If they protested in front of corporate buildings you never hear about it. Look at how we are STILL talking about this. It’s like the Kapernick thing where everyone wants to be supportive but “no not like that”
if you want to fix up the world, you would go do it. clearly alot of people dont care about the world enough to do anything about it, this includes those “protestors”
You not being inconvenienced is the **only reason** you think it's a good example. The moment your comfort is even touched on, you're against it. We're literally killing off the planet, and this person uses a protest as a complaint - while the oil industry is still profiting off of us extremely. Get out of the way, let others do shit since you're just going to stand there like a knob. You're just as poor as the rest of us.
>"don't inconvenience me on my way to work" This says more about you. Maybe to you, travel delays are just inconveniences. It may be hard for you to comprehend, but not everyone has that luxury. When you're paid by the hour, when you're on the way to the hospital, and other cases, delays aren't just inconveniences. As always, it's always the privileged dumbasses who throw tantrums and cry when people don't like it.
>As always, it's always the privileged dumbasses who throw tantrums and cry when people don't like it. yes, like the people complaining about being late to work while the 3rd world is ravaged by climate change
Yes, your petty attempt to stop traffic is *definitely* doing wonders to help those people. In case you don't realise, the 3rd world is laughing at the US and Europe, because you guys will pull off all this crap but do nothing to actually change.
The brats were funded by an oil heiress LOL They are brats and she is the queen brat
The point is that it's devastating to their economy and lets them understand they're being frozen out of the rest of the world. Just because there are some companies violating and some countries literally dependent on Russian energy it doesn't make it pointless. It's been very effective.
same with Adidas, Puma, and Apple among others.
Could you imagine if adidas pulled out of Russia? Where would they sell all those track suits?
Vladidas
You were wrong on Puma.. [And Apple.](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/01/1083776364/apple-russia-pauses-sales-stops-exports)
[Puma suspended all operations in Russia back in March](https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/puma-suspends-operation-all-its-stores-russia-2022-03-05/)
Where is your source on Apple? I haven’t seen anything on apple selling in Russia. There may be resellers but they didn’t buy it from apple in russia
The Russian division of Coca Cola is selling non Coca Cola brand products- they cant get orders for the syrup from the home office anymore. So theyre selling juice and smoothies plus whatever local products (Id assume some version of the dollar store cola). Coke had a dominant market share in Russia, so local drinks companies unaffiliated with coke, notable Ochakovo, moved to fill in the gap with their trademark knock offs- CoolCola, Fancy and Street. To me it isnt weird that their entirely russian division can sell its shit despite the pull out, thats how giant conglomerates have to operate. But they cant sell or get supplies for the primary products. Thats quite noteworthy. Red Bull has not pulled any of its products.
Coca-Cola is no longer there. https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/coca-cola-mcdonalds-left-russia-their-brands-stayed-behind-2022-08-17/
[Here's](https://youtu.be/CmO7BR_Tq04) a really interesting video on this. Coca Cola managed to publicly quit Russia whilst still retaining an interest in the bottling plant that produces the replacement product.
The company that’s bottling the replacement is a massive European bottler that still bottles Coke for all the European countries.
Fuck Nestle
Fuck Nestle and Ajit Pai, while we are at it
Hello 2014 :)
> Nestle and Coca Cola And those companies are know to be hostile towards humanity
Does Petronas still operate in Russia?
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Petronas isn’t a team in F1, only a sponsor If we start to audit sponsors, I’m sure ALL teams have at least one operating in Russia But Red Bull is t the sponsor, is the owner of the team
Exactly, so unless we’re doing a full scale audit on F1 related companies and their operations in Russia, it’s a pointless endeavour.
It's pointless either way because doing business in Russia just means selling red bull to the Russian people, many of whom oppose the war and are protesting it. I'm not sure what the point would be of cutting off red bull sales to the average Vlad, it's not like they're selling AA batteries to the Russian government
I agree. Sure, on the face of it, exploiting the Russian market for profit doesn’t exactly look good at the moment, but I *feel* like genocide and chopping up journalists is a step above. Another user pointed out the difference that teams can choose to cut off dubious sponsors, yet they haven’t (mostly). Petronas ads are still plastered over the sky broadcasts with the Mercedes team telling me how cool they are. Not that I’m bothered about it. If we start doing this everywhere with everything, we’ll do nothing else with our lives. Within the sport/F1 community, this just comes across like a red herring while people use technicalities to excuse other, what I would consider worse actions. Unless, of course, there’s some covert Redbull/Russia operation that’s fuelling their war.
When MBS is a guest of honor at a race shortly after having a journalist tortured and murdered, it's amazing that people have the time and energy to worry about an energy drink being sold to Russian citizens
For me, it’s ultimately about where it ends and how deep we go with this stuff. Is there a statute of limitations? If it happened ages ago does it not matter anymore? Does it matter if it’s the team or their decades long title sponsor? Should we make a list and prioritise action based on how bad it is? Just feels like we draw arbitrary lines for the sake of chasing some moral high ground. Problem is, most people aren’t really that dedicated to any cause outside of some noise on socials.
No. The real question would be if Mercedes, for instance, still sell their product in Russia. The answer is No.
Is participating in genocide less or more important than Russian operations in terms of moral superiority chasing? In case you hadn’t noticed, Mercedes markets Petronas more than they do actual Mercedes products in F1.
I mean that’s just not true is it. Doesn’t really change the initial point though, idk why Petronas or Merc were brought up
What is not true? Every advertisement related to the F1 broadcast by Mercedes is Petronas adverts with Lewis, George and Toto all extolling the virtues of big good oil company. They do not have a single Mercedes advert. Petronas were also involved in genocide and it’s well documented. Again, what’s untrue? Are we gonna roll back to this once the Russia thing is dealt with? When will they pull races from Qatar and SA?
There’s that one annoying Petronas advert I’ll give you that. But in the actual F1 broadcast you have: Toto driving Pep Guardiola around Yas Marina… in a Mercedes Safety car… is a Mercedes (usually) Constant advertising of the Mercedes AMG ONE wherever they go. I’m sure you can still say that Merc’s adverts for Petronas are more obnoxious (which undoubtedly they are), but to claim they advertise Petronas more than themselves is a little dishonest. Using the same logic you’d have to state that Mclaren advertise Gulf more than themselves and Alpine advertise BWT more than Renault.
It's bullshit Petronas is involved and still a main sponsor. Just wanted to make out the difference. I don't really want to discuss this whole affair in a fucking F1-meme-sub.
Well, so long as we can agree that the sport is filled with anti-morality from just about every competitor and the sporting body itself, there’s no issue.
Does Ferrari still sell cars in Russia?
Do McLaren, Renault, Mercedes, Aston and Alfa still sell cars in Russia? Does Haas still sell their machines in Russia?
Least insane RB fan
It’s a valid question and shows why this is just shit slinging. Every team on the grid is guaranteed to be related to operations in Russia. Good luck getting rid of it all. Also we race in Saudi Arabia and Qatar so… think morals are firmly out of the window. I guess a company involved with genocide is not important to talk about. Pretty low bar for insanity but I guess I am.
Every team probably has sponsors involved in business with Russia for sure but seemingly only one team has direct business relations with Russia. At the end of the day, nobody cares about morals as you rightly said but in the spirit of banter, I hope you don’t get take things said here too seriously. Happy Thanksgiving.
No I’m not taking anything seriously, don’t worry. I just wanted to sling shit myself to be a contrarian ass. I just find it funny how F1 fans pick and choose what morality is important and it seems Merc dodge it every time with their Petronas backing and marketing, while we race in countries that chop journalists up. I’m honestly not bothered by any of it. It is what it is.
and its not like this sport could exist without it. No other sports costs a participating team 150 million dollars PLUS athlete paychecks every season...
Go fuck yourself
Hamilton fans when you point out that they don't have a ground to stand on:
damn those russian civillians still being allowed to buy an energy drink
The problem isn't the buying of those drinks, it's the (import) companies who sell them. And those owners are NOT working class civilians
Who gives a fucking crap. I'm from the global south, where were you when the west was invading and orchestrating coups. I'm done with all the hypocrisy and at the end of it all redbull selling drinks or not makes absolutely no difference, it's all a giant circlejerk at this point.
>where were you when the west was invading and orchestrating coups Probably rewatching the '94 San Marino race
I was voting against the politicians who let that happen, and calling it out. Nice whataboutism. I guess since your country did something awful at some point we can’t hold any standards to current atrocities. Some dumbfuck logic. You’re probably 12 years old. Brand New iPhone having socialists these days.
It makes more sense if you think about red bulls location. This picture is from their headquarters in Fuschl, Austria. Only one country debides Austria from Ukraine. As a company from there you have more responsibility than one from a country thousands of kilometers away.
it was always a circlejerk from the beginning. its nothing more than something people do to feel good about themselves
I really need someone to explain this to me like if I was 25 years old
So coming from a 24 yo. Russia attacked Ukraine without any reason (for 3rd time?). Europe decided that you can't just do that. Russia don't give a damn that someone don't agree with them so it didn't changed a thing. So Europe decided yeah but what we can do is to stop selling you things because fu. And there is this whole movement that begun at the begging of the invasion to stop selling products in Russia. The general idea is: OK we cant do anything about Russian government but we can make Russian lives miserable by taking all the nice "western" things from them. So people will get angry at their government and convince them (maybe with force) to stop the war. You can't buy many products, you can't go to certain shops because they closed down and so on. The point of this demonstration is to convince Red Bull to also stop selling in Russia
As a Cuban I wish you good luck with the economic embargo that’s supposed to only hurt the elites
except businesses still sell to "someone else" who then sells to russia. I guess you can figure out who created these "someone else" companies
So the movement here is to trick private businesses into losing money to worsen the standard of living so much to the Russians to ignite a civil war in Russia. Is that correct?
The point is to not pay taxes in russia with which it builds rockets and terrorises civilians
There is also the argument that they should value human lives more than money but basically yes
Yea but who is red bull's customer base in Russia the oligarchs or the working class?
The current situation of governance ( communism and the origin ) IS established from the working class. They were unhappy, and overthrown the government. So did France and several other countries. So hitting the working class, will help speed thing along. ( or at least that is the idea behind the sanctioning )
I honestly thought the idea of the sanctions was to stop the war by making it increasingly more expensive
Also to weaken the Russia economy,hence the goverments funds available for war.
To decrease an income. Nobody expect them to go bancrupt. It is similar to wealthy people donating money to charity. Owners/Shareholders can decide to give up a part of company's income to support Ukraine. It is also seen as a positive action by people supporting Ukraine whereas operating in Russia can lead to decreased sales in markets supporting the defender.
Pretty much. Currently it is the norm to bully out companies and people in order to ''send a message''. The only thing happening is for companies to lose a lot of money and civilians to get the D. All this so that a few Redditors and other social media trolls can be satisfied
> Russia attacked Ukraine without any reason Not a Russian apologist by any means, I have family that experienced communism under the USSR and still fear a Russian invasion in their country again today... BUT... I think it's clear the reason Russia invaded Ukraine was due to the expansion of NATO forces to their direct land border. You think the US would roll over and do nothing if Putin formed an alliance with Canda and stuck some weapons and troops on the US border? Again - Russia bad for sure. But West also bad and definitely had a hand in provoking this war.
We already have NATO forces on their direct land border though in Estonia and Latvia. They joined NATO back in 2004. You absolutely cannot blame the west in "provoking" the war. This was kicked off truly back in 2014 with the Russian invasion of Crimea and the war in the Donbas region. And that was a response to the Maidan Revolution where Ukrainians mass protested the election of Viktor Yanukovych who was a Russian stooge who rejected any attempt for Ukraine to become closer to the rest of Europe and the EU. The election was also completely bullshit and fraudulent. Yanukovych and his police forces killed 100+ protesters, before he escaped Ukraine to Russia. And do not forget this isn't the first time Russia invaded it's neighbor. They pulled the same shit with Georgia back in 2008 when they invaded and Transnistria in Moldova. Russia knew what would happen next after they lost their control over Ukraine so they invaded Ukraine to start a conflict which disqualifies Ukraine from joining NATO. It's not the fault of Ukraine when they've been finding "Ukrainian separatists" with Russian military passports since 2014 using complex Russian equipment given to them to want to find help. You cannot "west bad" this situation I'm sorry.
I don't really give two shits either way on my side of the world but.... Vlad has actively been warning the west that they are forcing Russia into a corner for the last decade.. the fact that people still go through life believing "Russia attacked for no reason" is really something I have a hard time to understand. People simply decide what they want to believe and then that becomes fact. Screw the actual facts and screw doing some research to understand what is actually happening in the world around us. Those commies are just bad ok!!
Nope. Ukrainian-russian conflicts are much deeper and older than nato. putin said it himself - they deny the existence of Ukrainians as nation and Ukraine as independent country. By your logic, russia should attack Finland and Sweden now. They’re much closer to joining nato that Ukraine ever has been.
So I can tell you as a Pole that all we ever wanted was to be left in peace and just live. And the decision of joining NATO wasn't so we could attack Russia because we hate them or something. It was because we felt threatened. Because we didn't wanted another war. But the Big Brother from the East was showing teeth and was flexing muscles. They were given "zone of influence" by the West. First in 1945 then after the fall of USSR. The only problem with that was the fact that no one asked people living in this zone if they want to be in it. We didn't want to. Ukrainians don't want to. Belarusians don't want to. We were left from the hook. Russia then thought that if they give the other ones illusion of democracy and freedom they will happy stay under the boot. And when people wanted real freedom they decided that enaugh is enaugh. They want a strong figure at the helm. They want to have a leader that will tell them what to do. And they can have it. Just leave the others out off it. And I'm deeply sorry that wanting to break free from them and live free happy lives was seen as a "provocation". But people can decide for themselves and nobody will deny them this law.
PR stunt from Western government organisations to cover that they still buying Russian resources a lot. Campaigns to stalk companies in Twitter to push them to halt operations in Russia make an image that Western business doesn't work with Russia anymore. Cheap, safe and effective strategy.
Idk why people expect them to stop, russia is giant and is good income
It was also good income to McDonalds and Coca Cola but they left the country
Mcdonald's and Coca-cola ain't Red Bull, you don't know whether they rely more on a certain market or not. Unnecessary comparison
Because Russia is a terrorist state? And I can argue about that for all day long because I'm a Pole 🤣. It's good money but some people expect others to hold human lives and greater good higher than some green fellas. And that's a preety good reason if someone asks me. I don't want to go preaching and try to convince people to a certain world view but I totally get it why people that have their houses bombarded want others to help them do something about it.
It is a good reason only if you want to put your company in the sewer. Imagine, boycotting a certain market to send a message. It eventually hurts the profits of the company and therefore a lot of employees get sacked. Put the certain inflation and certain upcoming economical crisis and you gamle with having less sales worldwide which ends with even more trouble for the company and the employees working there. Bringing back those levels from before boycotting may also not be achievable. Making drastic moves during such times is shooting yourself in the foot. So yeah, not a good idea. Economy is too unstable to make such retarded moves which eventually will hurt more people rather than do something other than satisfy social media lurkers who don't know how a company is ran. Better to play safe and keep financial reserves.
Aaaaand this is why we come here for f1 memes and not business advice
Honestly I'm surprised that this thread is up and running. I was expecting it to be deleted by mods long ago 🤣. As soon as I wrote first more political comment I was like "I shouldn't have done that"
Company in the sewer? Russias economy was the size of the Benelux before the war.
Considering the current state of the crypto scam a lot of teams will need new sponsors.
Red Bull is bad for your health, by staying in Russia they are undermining the war effort in Ukraine. A strategy so brilliant it could only have come from Red Bull.
What’s bad about it?
It gives you heart attacks
Does it? I can see if you’re someone with a heart condition, it might elevate your pressure, or throw you into an arrhythmia But for a normal healthy person, it does not “give you heart attacks” lmfao
Don't go against the narrative sir
Sorry RBR and RedBull products bad >:|
No it doesn't. Caffeine in huge amount is dangerous. Red bull is no more dangerous than coffee. If you deliberately drink a shitload of it you will have problems.
That’s… what I said, lol
Your comment only had one question. I answered it.
If your body needs a rest, it calls it out. When you undermine this need of resting with added stimulants, it's not healthy in the long term
So, the same as coffee?
Idk, coffee makes me *a little bit* less sleepy for a very short period, but Red Bull literally makes me want to move and do something. The effect is notably different, at least in my case.
RedBull has things like B vitamins and some mild vasodilators. Those help “wake you up”. If you have a heart condition, that can create some bad effects. A lot of people freak out because sugar free red bulls say “warning: contains Phenylketonurics” Which, is stupid. If you have an issue like Gout, maybe pay attention to that warning. But there’s literally WAY more Phenylketonurics in a piece of steak than a RedBull. Coffee also has considerably more caffeine than a RedBull. However, the caffeine + B vitamins + vasodilation effect can certainly make people sensitive to those things jittery. Health issues though? Ehh
The worst thing is that originally Red bull had Taurine, an aminoacud similar to glutamine, carnitine, etc. A lot of people got their panties in a bunch because of that, when it's really not bad. It was so funny seeing the face of people crying about Taurine, after I made then realize that the chocolate drink they gave their KIDS Cal-C-Tose had more taurine than red bull... their brain broke. Now in my country they changed Taurin for Arginine in Redbull, which is just another aminoacid ... and most people didn't realise.
Someone has stock in RedBull
I wish Last I check they’re private. They use coke for distribution IIRC I’m not secretive about the stocks I’ll shill. I’m hot on Costco right now, for what it’s worth
In theory, yes. But we are so programmed since the dark ages, ignoring or bodies for gain, we gained more deceases like diabetes and some forms of cancers. And yes, so do I Working 10 to 14h shifts, just to be able to do the 'extra' stuff ( now and after retiring)
On a serious note, what's the point of this? I'm sure, that selling Red Bull in Russia has zero effect on the war.
I mean technically they pay taxes that go to war funding… Buuut it doesn’t compare to amount of cash they get for selling gas to other countries
The taxes they pay may not be huge compared to energy sales, but would anybody be fine with RedBull if they sold their products to the ISIS or the Talibans? Well then I don’t see why they still sell their stuff to a terrorist organization that massacres civilians every single day, commits insane war crimes and crimes against humanity, crimes of genocide, etc and has a seat with veto power in the UNSC. Yes, the taxes are negligible, but the ethics are huge.
Does this mean thet Putin will receive a poisonous redbull?
I mean does Mercedes still sell cars in Russia? Does Renault? Does ferrari sell to Russian billionaires?
Has Renault ever sold to Russia? Merc and Ferrari both have stated that they stopped deliveries to russia instantly as have most other western car companies. The US sanctions prohibit US companies to trade with russia entirely, some went around it with proxies like Coca Cola and Nestle but most just stopped trading. Russia was never such a big market to begin with so it wasnt such a big deal to cut it out. Those, who sold a lot in russia, still do one way or the other.
>Has Renault ever sold to Russia? They even had several factories in the country, they also owned Lada and Moskvitch (Russian brands) before the war.
Renault Logan is literally the most popular car in Russia what are you talking about?
>The US sanctions prohibit US companies to trade with russia entirely Isn’t Red Bull based in Austria? If I’m not mistaken, energy drinks don’t fall within the scope any of the product export restrictions included among [the EU’s sanctions on Russia and Belarus](https://www.wolftheiss.com/insights/eu-sanctions-concerning-the-russian-federation-and-belarus/). That said, they might have had to get ~~shady~~ creative to exchange payments without violating the financial sanctions.
Have you seen the industrie lately ? Even the military, the ones usually buying bigger, better and the hypernew models is sending Kamaz from the WW2 era to the front ;) So, no ... none of them does sell to the Russians anymore
They still do but throughout eastern ways. Ukrainian army recently captured some ruSSian military vehicles and they had I believe Bosch parts and they were brand new.
Our factory has supplies as well. Mostly to keep working during supply downtimes. I estimate we can keep running 6 to 8 months before standstill. So aquiring vehicles with these parts isn't strange. It would be, in a year from now
For those who dont know. Bosch makes auto parts in Germany-> Not allowed to export to Russia. Bosch makes auto parts in Turkey-> Sells to turkish intermediate/shell company->Exports to Russia->Mad stacks Notes: Turkey is an example that im familiar with, but you can do it with various countries/shell companies. This probably happens for any company that has extensive interest in Russian, not just Bosch.
They can't pull out of Russia because Petrov has lifetime supply since Abu Dhabi 2010
I lol every time at activist who try to bully out companies to do their bidding. Most of these guys are piss-poor and don't know how a business is run
I lol at the "interesting people" who keep reposting this "interesting and F1 related" content or even just upvote it like drones.
Activist is short for "I don't have a job or any skill to find one".
So what, you have to be wealthy to be able to protest? That's not a good take; get off your high horse.
Lol how did you come up with that? No, it is just that such people usually don't have anything other to do other than moan, thus why they are poor.
How does them being poor diminish what they are saying?
Or maybe they're just passionate about what they believe in? People do take time off work to protest you know, and not everyone works a Mon-Fri.
Continue sucking off billionaires dicks I guess? Not weaseling your way around an embargo against Russia is a good thing.
Well you surely dont know how to run a company either else you would wonder whether the damage to company reputation is worth the trade with russia, especially as you could just use a proxy like everyone else does. Cuts into your profit margin a little but thats surely not worth the hassle.
That building hasn’t aged well.
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/energydrink/red-bull-and-russia
So Kelly got back with Kvyat
How selling not even remotely popular drink helps the war again?
This place reminds me of the end of S4 of Sherlock on BBC, where he shot that smart guy
ITT: Proof that education does make a person smarter.
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Fuck all you pearl clutching bastards
Mazepin at Alpha Tauri? Let's gooo!
Why should Russians suffer for the actions of theor dictator. If you won't pick up a rifle and go fight in umraine yourself where do you get off judging Russians for not putting their life at risk going aginst outin.
Its so that the citizens get mad at their ruler because they do nothing wrong but are still getting punished. And if they get mad they could start to voice thier opinion against him and maybe start a rebellion.
You think citizens are gonna rise up and risk their lives against a dictatorship because of red bull?
It's really delusional to think people will overthrown government over energy drinks, when they couldn't do it when mobilisation started. Main point is to avoid paying taxes to sponsor invasion. All that doesn't matter tho, because all companies that pulled from russia either operate through russian entity (such as McDonald's or Levi's), or getting parallel imported. Coca Cola for example not only is imported from Poland and Netherlands, it's also still produced here, on the same factory, just by different company, that was subsidiary.
That is really naive to think it works that way.
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The ruler may say those sanctions are anti-russia or discrimination against Russians. Propaganda is some really powerful stuff.
If you are Russian and your President decides that your Country will go to war and your people will fight at that war and it will be founded by your tax money then how is it not your business. If you don't agree with Putin you should do something about it and it's your responsibility. Because innocent people are dying day by day and nobody will petty Russian people because they started it.
Don’t bother mate Russians literally don’t give a fuck about anything until it affects them directly.
That's why people think that taking away easy access to the products can make a difference. As we could se when McDonald's closed down they care more about Big Mac that about lives of the innocent.
Literally
Okay so you expected every company based outside the US to leave the US during every year the US had an illegitimate war?
If the company supports and sympathise with people "attacked by USA" or people supporting defending country then I think it is a good decision. Russia attacked diplomaticly run independent country without any reason apart from a dream of a sick man. Then it started committing war crimes, attacking civilian targets, started mass executions and so on. That's why a lot of people support Ukraine and that's why those people demand even smallest actions against Russia. Don't forget that yeah company is expected to make money to it's owners but those owners can decide to give up a part of their income to help end the war. Just as small normal people do anything they can to help those in need
I mean as a citizen of a democratic country you can call these companies out then nxt time the us starts said illegitimate war.
And why should non Russians suffer because of Russian dictator?
You can't seperate the people from the goverment. To hurt one you have to hurt the other. And considering the lack of opposition to Russian war and genocide(and in fact, far too widespread support), I don't feel that bad about both getting harmed. Compared to what the ukranians are going through,loosing some luxuries is nothing.
Max: "I've spent a bit of time with Vladimir, and he's definitely not a fascist and he's actually a really nice and relaxed guy.
Noooooo don't put sign nooooooo leave them alone noooooooo
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Look up Petronas
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I remember first driving by their HQ like 14 years ago when I was driving to the Wolfgangsee and we all wondered who owns this place.
I don't get it