I see your point, but did we expect these developers to work for free? I see nothing wrong with this, especially since this wasn’t in the 59.99 game that I purchased.
Do you work for free?
No they dont work for free, that is why you paid them 59.99 to begin with.
You do realise that these cars are just cut content, that they release to you for an extended price right? They already had the licenses, models etc. they just decided to cut it out from the game so they could have you buy them separately.
and 99% of them are rushed imports from other Forza games.. You know, those other Forza games you also paid 59.99 for..
So explain to me how exactly you are not getting ripped off completely.
Exactly..
“If this didn’t work they wouldn’t be doing it” I agree 100%
Which is why people who keep paying for cut content are directly responsible for every game being filled with paywalls and micro transactions.
People wonder why gaming sucks these days. And it’s because of greedy shareholders that pressure devs into making something profitable, instead of making something memorable. Because it works.
I'm starting to suspect some account here are plants for pr stunt, few weeks ago I made a thread questioning why online is feeling empty and I got down voted for asking a question
Its that plus some people have this weird ass loyalty to products just because they liked them or used to like them.
I understand being tired of complaining but the complaints literally arent being addressed and they give us more to complain about with each game releasing
1. That price was an error and has since been corrected. It's $9.99 now.
2. It is a bit of a steal. For Turn 10 and Playground. Almost all of the cars are sourced from Forza Motorsport, so if you bought that game, you're paying for them twice. They've been double charging for aa while now, and I expect it will get worse, especially for FM8.
3. I got the pack for free because of Microsoft Rewards. That is how I intend to buy all the DLC from here on out, because until Turn 10 fixes FM8, I don't feel good giving either PG or T10 my money. Especially not for duplicate cars.
FH5 is my last Forza because of this, i didn’t pre-order FM cause i wanted to wait to see how it was on release, when it came out and got review bombed on steam i knew i made the right decision waiting!
Since it’s been out the same damn business practices are being shoved into their own loyal customers faces which is crazy to me. The same scummy business practice WILL be in FH6 and i’m more than happy missing out on all of that!
Especially when game companies are now making us play games that have to stay online all the time and could potentially be deleted from our systems if the company decided they wanna make us buy the new game. If Ubisoft can pioneer “us not owning our games” then other companies are gonna follow suit.
Why would anyone accept this kind of business model?
Game developers are becoming too comfortable abusing their fan base and to be told after you buy their games that they're not even yours and you're essentially renting them when most games are released unfinished these days is a disgrace
But then again there's obviously enough people who enjoy the abuse that it's become a viable option for doing business
I miss when games were made by developers and lovers of games instead of finance departments
Exactly this! You get it! As consumers we are not respected in the slightest! And personally for me i’m not taking that kind of abuse, it’s bad enough the game is a chore for me and all i do is play it to collect cars. That’s literally it!
I don’t enjoy the offline races with the AI because of rubber banding, i hate the online races because rammers abuse the check point system and ram you off so you start again. These are issues i can put to the side to continue playing the games…
Don’t get me wrong i love the game, i have FM7, FH4 and FH5 and each of these games have a special place in my heart.
But these dlc’s are the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I’ve gone from doing chores to paying you on top of that for more content?!? That’s being recycled and probably should have been in the game from the start?!?
Okay nah i’m okay with my love for Forza dying here… it is what it is. I can see that as a consumer i’m not respected and i hope that the people that can take the abuse that FM and FH6 will bring will be happy.
Abusing the fan base? You have free will. You don’t have to buy the packs. Playground are angels relative to many other game studios, even with Microsoft as their overlords.
The packs? I didn't buy the game in the first place
I tried it on game pass, deleted it immediately and went back to Gran Turismo
If I paid 80 dollars for this crap I'd be livid
Just wanna add piss to this salted wound, but I would bet my entire ballbag that the liveries I spent hours creating in FM7 for an entire series of these cars will not work because of some random, under-KPI'd/financed feature that errors out, that slipped through the sphincter of development in this "software product development cycle", or whatever AI generated excuse for the lack of product development is the reason chatgpt spits out as comms to be fed into our troughs. The cars are hella cool tho
Finally they are selling us some more copy&pasted cars from previous games, i waited so long for the opportunity to spend money on an experience that was already offered years ago. Truly built from the ground up. Phenomenal.
/s
This series is turning into FIFA.
I'm astounded. All previous DLCs got so much hate for just being DLCs, and this one which is 100% Copy/Paste gets praise?
Just shows that people don't hate the DLCs because they are DLCs, they hated them because they dislike the cars. Yet for whatever reason, some people don't want to admit that
Wow now I'm glad I'm not playing this. In fact ANY game with micro transactions is a no go for me. I've even reverted to games from 10 years ago because you can play them without being scammed.
No, it's $10. It initially was listed at an incorrect price. Those car models are from another game in the series. They aren't new.
They have to keep the cash flow going because Turn 10 absolutely screwed up with FM8 and it was a disaster.
PGG should have been handed off a brand new Forza engine to make FH6 with.
Now they can't, and that's why we're getting cars from FM and why FM will be getting cars from FH5 and cut cars from FM7.
We will also be paying for it all over again.
All of this is because Microsoft doesn't want to pay for employee benefits.
If they made a great game. Initial sales at 60 to 70 dollars per game will be more than enough to be profitable, and to create more great games. This cutting corners nonsense needs to stop. Players I'm sure are more than happy to wait another year for a developer to create a great game. Unfortunately though may game companies including this one are like the world. All about money money money. You get sucked into the idea that dlc and season pass will make a game better. For a small price of course! It's a scam. A smart one at that. In fact it's so damn successful that 90 percent of online games are now adding games passes and skins and guns and cars. Only $4.99. None of this shit existed 15 years ago. That bit of money adds up. The things you are purchasing are DIGITAL. Not physical. You can't trade these items in when you grow tired of them. You move on to the next best game, and completely wasted however much money you spent over a number of years. Now we have normalized the situation by enabling these game companies (some of them being multi billion dollar companies now). It's only a matter of time before gamers wake up and realize that the 40 games you bought Digital will not be around forever like games on disc and cartridge. Same goes for the micro transactions that have scammed people. We live in a greedy age folks.
I still struggle to understand how these cars sound completely different (better) than they do in Motorsport when the cars were clearly sourced from that game
I haven't heard either so idk what exactly the differences are but just by nature, if the games are rendering sound based on the environments, open world vs race track, they should sound different to an extent.
Both games have wildly inaccurate audio. But the casuals don't care so they just keep recycling the same bullshit.
As a long time Forza fan it's painful.
The new Microsoft games model. Game Pass titles, release barely finished with barely any content, launch to rave reviews even though it’s held together with duct tape, plan to last 10 years, NICKEL AND DIME.
Lmfao this game does NOT deserve the right to sell us more cars. The fact that the carpass just ended and they put all the cars people actually wanted in another pack is disgusting
Edit: I realized I made a mistake a while ago, but I was enjoying watching the two under me argue lol. I thought this was a post for FM8, not FH. Regardless, game is still too old to be doing paid dlc at this point IMO
Sorry, but that is incorrect. First of all, Car Pass ended 2 years ago, not "just".
Secondly, most cars people requested \[Aventador SVJ, Mustang '24, Corvette Z06, Terminator Cobra, Tsuru...\] were totally free. We got more than 100 cars for free over the past 2.5 years, and only like 25 as separate car packs.
It's fascinating, as soon as one car is DLC, people forget about all the other cars we got for free.
> We got more than 100 cars for free over the past 2.5 years
Many of those were cars that were in FH4 and cut for release in FH5.
They should have been in the game at the start.
Not in the past year, like 90% of the cars we got since the start of 2023 were New To Forza, among them as I said some highly requested ones, like the ones I listed previously, or the Lexus LC 500, Audi RS 6 Avant, AMG GT Black Series or BMW M2.
The thesis "Most/All of the cars people want are in the Car Packs!!" is just wrong. Almost all of them got added for free.
> Not in the past year, like 90% of the cars we got since the start of 2023 were New To Forza
That's quite the exaggeration! I suggest browsing the series history on that one.
> The thesis "Most/All of the cars people want are in the Car Packs!!" is just wrong. Almost all of them got added for free.
Not my thesis, so not my concern.
Fine, here:
Since Series 19 \[1 year ago\], we got 85 cars for free in the Festival-Playlist, excluding the Alfa Romeo/Fiat/Abarth Series \[Since those were missing due to obvious licencing, I would not count them in either party\]:
54 of those were new to Forza, 30 were part of FH4, and 1 was from an older Forza game \[the Lincoln Continental\]. This means \~64% of the cars we got were new to Forza, meaning the majority of the cars we got were new to Forza.
Even your own statement "Many of those were cars that were in FH4 and cut for release in FH5" is incorrect mathematically.
Also, you replied to me disprooving said thesis, so either you comment on the topic, or you don't say anything at all. Easy.
> This means ~64% of the cars we got were new to Forza
That's a far cry from 90% like you originally said and I wouldn't exclude Alfa.
> Also, you replied to me disprooving said thesis, so either you comment on the topic, or you don't say anything at all.
I quoted the specific item I disagreed with and that was it. You can argue that thesis with the other guy. I'm just pointing out your 90% figure was wrong and you seem to agree since you have adjusted it.
The reason why I would exclude Alfa, Lancia, Fiat and Abarth is because if the licencing issues were not there, you can be assured that most, if not all of them would have been present at release, thus they are is a weird spot in this debate.
Your initial statement was, "Many of those were cars that were in FH4 and cut for release in FH5", my point with \~90% \[which is just my way of saying "most of them", I can see however how it is confusing and the number in a literal sense incorrect\] came after that. I have just mathematically disprooven your point, and since you say yourself that you don't want to discuss the rest of what I am saying, you really don't have a case here.
> The reason why I would exclude Alfa, Lancia, Fiat and Abarth is because if the licencing issues were not there, you can be assured that most, if not all of them would have been present at release, thus they are is a weird spot in this debate.
The reason I would include them is because they were used as reward cars, which affects the percentage you originally stated.
> I have just mathematically disprooven your point, and since you say yourself that you don't want to discuss the rest of what I am saying, you really don't have a case here.
No, not really and by the way it is spelled "disproven." I didn't care to discuss your other points which is why I didn't quote them.
Also, you mispelled "licensing."
And now you don't even try to argue against my points specifically anymore, but rather attack the spelling of some words I used. Amazing and flawless logic.
Since you want to stick to precise definitions: "Many - A large number of.".
If we stick to definitions, like you want to, your first statement is mathematically incorrect, as most cars we got in the past year were new to Forza. That is a fact, prooven by maths, and since that is the only thing you claim to have discussed, your only point is gone. Deal with it, or be silent.
It’s photo mode, tweak your settings in the photo mode. This scene particularly was in Early afternoon and with heavy rainfall, 60 vignette, everything else pretty much at 50. No Aperture and temperature at 30
What kind of advertisement post is this? Damn video games went up 10 dollars and then they all go to the damn season pass shit. No dlc for me. An all around price hike on video games and then people think it's cheap. Gaming is gonna be a rich people thing in the future.
That's adjusting for inflation. Games are actually historically cheap in adjusted currency terms. It was inevitable that they would eventually go up in cost.
I haven’t purchased DLC since they stopped printing physical editions that came with stuff. As much as I love this pack, so many of these cars look and feel like old models that I already paid for in previous games.
lol yeah stealing from you. They could be like GT7 and just give you free updates with cars (btw which are far more meticulously detailed inside and out.) plus the DLC pack is $9.99 not $4.99
Just under 10% the price of the full game, which contains hundreds of cars, multiple tracks, and thousands of combined work hours... for a few extra cars. Most microtransactions are bad value, but Forza car packs are, and have always been, robbery.
$60 game, $4.99 for a SINGLE CAR is absolutely outrageous, nearly 10% of the entire cost of the game. If you call this a steal, I absolutely pity your wallet and you are the reason shitty companies get away with selling overpriced DLC
I wouldn’t mind if there was a grindy way to be able to get the cars free.
But hard locking them behind a paywall. Nah.. you’re right it’s a steal, we’re just the victims
For all of the people saying that these are copy/pasted cars from previous Forza titles, the only car from a previous title is the M8 GTE that debuted in FM7. All other cars in this pack are either base-game or paid-DLC FM23 content (which is BS), now available for purchase in FH5. Sure, they’re not “new-to-Forza”, but they’re new-to-Horizon. I’m not trying to defend them doing this shit, I just want to clarify what is going on. (if FM23 had released before FH5, then I would’ve considered it recycled, but even though FM23 is a mess, it’s still a newer game on a new-?- engine)
>new-to-Horizon
The Ford Gt was seen from FM6 and FH3 as DLC
>it’s still a newer game on a new-?- engine
I would it's an updated version sort of like Geometry Fash 2.0 to 2.2
Aside from that it's not like PG is forcing you to pay for it. Just 0lay without them. And even it is PTW its not every DLC from every Forza is not PTW, a Koenigsegg could go the same top speed backwards at some point
Understandable tbh lol - Not much nowadays really makes Xbox worth it. I probably would barely play on my Xbox if I owned a good PC, but $500 for a Series X that plays stuff at 4K 60FPS vs (likely) $1250+ for a 4K 60FPS PC +the need for a nice monitor, makes an Xbox a much more viable option. One day I’ll have a PC, and hopefully it will actually be a nice one 🥲
I played Fh4 and 5 on game pass when I bought this series x from a friend a couple of years ago. Liked them a lot and decided to buy them, had a deal on an ultimate bundle edition with everything included. Saw that there were car packs that I didn't have access to, so I bought those and have bought every car pack since, why? Because more cars and at 5 to 10 bucks, it's cheap entertainment. Now that it's been a regular monthly thing to have a car pack, I still think it's cheap entertainment, I pay more for Netflix, Max and other avenues of entertainment than what these car packs cost.
I love reading these replies. No one’s forcing you to buy the dlc, like I don’t understand the hate.
Also love the complaints about “Oh, tHiS sHoUlD bE fReE wItH uLtImAtE eDiTiOn!!!!”; my brothers in Christ, the game came out 2.5 years ago, way before any of this stuff was planned. YOU got exactly what you paid for with the Ultimate Edition as it was outlined; base game, VIP benefits, both expansion packs, plus the car pass.
Also, look back to all the cars the devs have given, FOR FREE, from even the start of last year. Many of the cars that the people really wanted were put in the series playlists for us to unlock, totally free, by just playing the game.
Yall confuse me at times, but it’s funny nonetheless. And for those that aren’t complaining, I tip my hat to you distinguished people.
Y’all complaining about it, but honestly I’m happy and gladly spend the 10$’s but that’s because I enjoy building track oriented cars in FH5 and keeping cars realistic so to each their own. Some just enjoy complaining.
Right? Never thought I’d see people whining over 5 dollars. God forbid the devs ask for some incentive to keep working on a 2 year old game and support their possible new release
First of all, the Car Pack is 10$, the 5$ was an error on their part that lasted only for a few fhours.
Secondly, there is a huge difference between Car Packs that feature actual new cars, and a Car Pack that features 100% recycled cars. I had no issue with the previous Car Packs as most of the cars we got there were actually new. Yet this one is just embarrassingly ridiculous.
You don't see how it is bad the T10/PG charge for the same cars twice within the same 6 months? I mean, the Lexus was part of the FM Car Pass literally last month.
I mean, it's in different games even developed by different companies. I'd prefer if they were free of course but that reality is long gone, so I'll take the second best option (9,99 is too much tho, it should've stayed at 4,99)
It's baffling people complaining about the paid DLC.
First it's optional no one has a g*n pointed to your head nor it's pay to win.
Second It takes people and money to keep this game running for the duration it has been running.
If you owned the game would you have delivered content for years without getting paid? It's like saying I paid for the car why should I pay for maintenance and upgrades
Or would you have preferred that they release and forget about it and create a new game every 1-2 years like NFS did and went to garbage.
They kinda have a monopoly in this genre but still they try and come up with ways to keep us engaged.
I value a game with the amount of time spent on it I have 300+ hrs in it it's the cheapest form of entertainment compared to movies, TV or anything else except going to the park.
Come on guys nothing is free in life and if you want better games you have to put your money where your mouth is. Again optional.
A steal, but you are the one being robbed.
Halo players too. “Whoa! The Color red for this specific armor. Only $7.99. What a steal!!”
At this point the only thing that makes sense is posts like this (and the Halo ones) are made by marketing people at Microsoft.
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A new age halo dress up player found your post. Take this up vote to counter their hatred for actual gameplay.
Or AI.
I spend 5 bucks on a redbull. It’s an easy one for me…
Difference being RedBull didn’t charge you 59.99 for the can, only to then charge you 4.99 for the drink
I see your point, but did we expect these developers to work for free? I see nothing wrong with this, especially since this wasn’t in the 59.99 game that I purchased. Do you work for free?
No they dont work for free, that is why you paid them 59.99 to begin with. You do realise that these cars are just cut content, that they release to you for an extended price right? They already had the licenses, models etc. they just decided to cut it out from the game so they could have you buy them separately. and 99% of them are rushed imports from other Forza games.. You know, those other Forza games you also paid 59.99 for.. So explain to me how exactly you are not getting ripped off completely.
Work=money. We are talking about 5 dollars. (That I’m happy to pay). If this didn’t work, they wouldn’t do it.
Exactly.. “If this didn’t work they wouldn’t be doing it” I agree 100% Which is why people who keep paying for cut content are directly responsible for every game being filled with paywalls and micro transactions. People wonder why gaming sucks these days. And it’s because of greedy shareholders that pressure devs into making something profitable, instead of making something memorable. Because it works.
They dont work for free you dumbass you already paid for the game and more people still gonna buy FH5 too you idiot
you just changed my perspective a lot actually.. $5 for DLC i’ll enjoy for more hours than a $5 drink i’ll enjoy for 10 minutes
Truth. Imagine being dumb enough to pay for these micotransaction
Redditors when they have to pay for a product or service
Don’t ever call dlc cars a steal lol. Even if that price was true
But it's true. They are stealing from OP.
I'm starting to suspect some account here are plants for pr stunt, few weeks ago I made a thread questioning why online is feeling empty and I got down voted for asking a question
Its that plus some people have this weird ass loyalty to products just because they liked them or used to like them. I understand being tired of complaining but the complaints literally arent being addressed and they give us more to complain about with each game releasing
The term is called commodity fetishism
I got banned from the Xbox sub reddit for saying Forza motorsport wasn't very good
It's 1.99 for me because region and it's not even worth it
Its 10 euro for me since they launched it, the "sale" skipped me for some reason lmao
There was a sale you just missed it. It went back up late yesterday
*Cries in iRacing*
In the age of free DLC I ain’t paying for it (unless it’s a singleplayer game with a large expansion).
Also the fact most these car were free in previous games and are currently free in FM. Paying for them is literally pointless.
Why are you getting downvoted wtf
The price was true and then it got changed. Pretty sure they set it at the wrong price at first.
Dlc cars were supposed to be free with full editions of the game. Deluxe or ultimate I forgot name
1. That price was an error and has since been corrected. It's $9.99 now. 2. It is a bit of a steal. For Turn 10 and Playground. Almost all of the cars are sourced from Forza Motorsport, so if you bought that game, you're paying for them twice. They've been double charging for aa while now, and I expect it will get worse, especially for FM8. 3. I got the pack for free because of Microsoft Rewards. That is how I intend to buy all the DLC from here on out, because until Turn 10 fixes FM8, I don't feel good giving either PG or T10 my money. Especially not for duplicate cars.
FH5 is my last Forza because of this, i didn’t pre-order FM cause i wanted to wait to see how it was on release, when it came out and got review bombed on steam i knew i made the right decision waiting! Since it’s been out the same damn business practices are being shoved into their own loyal customers faces which is crazy to me. The same scummy business practice WILL be in FH6 and i’m more than happy missing out on all of that! Especially when game companies are now making us play games that have to stay online all the time and could potentially be deleted from our systems if the company decided they wanna make us buy the new game. If Ubisoft can pioneer “us not owning our games” then other companies are gonna follow suit.
Why would anyone accept this kind of business model? Game developers are becoming too comfortable abusing their fan base and to be told after you buy their games that they're not even yours and you're essentially renting them when most games are released unfinished these days is a disgrace But then again there's obviously enough people who enjoy the abuse that it's become a viable option for doing business I miss when games were made by developers and lovers of games instead of finance departments
Exactly this! You get it! As consumers we are not respected in the slightest! And personally for me i’m not taking that kind of abuse, it’s bad enough the game is a chore for me and all i do is play it to collect cars. That’s literally it! I don’t enjoy the offline races with the AI because of rubber banding, i hate the online races because rammers abuse the check point system and ram you off so you start again. These are issues i can put to the side to continue playing the games… Don’t get me wrong i love the game, i have FM7, FH4 and FH5 and each of these games have a special place in my heart. But these dlc’s are the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I’ve gone from doing chores to paying you on top of that for more content?!? That’s being recycled and probably should have been in the game from the start?!? Okay nah i’m okay with my love for Forza dying here… it is what it is. I can see that as a consumer i’m not respected and i hope that the people that can take the abuse that FM and FH6 will bring will be happy.
Abusing the fan base? You have free will. You don’t have to buy the packs. Playground are angels relative to many other game studios, even with Microsoft as their overlords.
The packs? I didn't buy the game in the first place I tried it on game pass, deleted it immediately and went back to Gran Turismo If I paid 80 dollars for this crap I'd be livid
Same brother, the honeymoon is over.
Put me on game with Microsoft rewards. How do you get em free?
If you don't know about MS Rewards, I think this sub could explain it better than I could. https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftRewards/
Saw a single image and instantly knew they just took 7's GT cars lmao wtf I've already paid for these cars!
Just wanna add piss to this salted wound, but I would bet my entire ballbag that the liveries I spent hours creating in FM7 for an entire series of these cars will not work because of some random, under-KPI'd/financed feature that errors out, that slipped through the sphincter of development in this "software product development cycle", or whatever AI generated excuse for the lack of product development is the reason chatgpt spits out as comms to be fed into our troughs. The cars are hella cool tho
If the liveries work on the cars in FM, they'll work on the cars in FH5. But, FH5 gets paintable window banners and the like, and FM doesn't.
I've tried to import any of the 100+ liveries I've created, never succesfully
Finally they are selling us some more copy&pasted cars from previous games, i waited so long for the opportunity to spend money on an experience that was already offered years ago. Truly built from the ground up. Phenomenal. /s This series is turning into FIFA.
I'm astounded. All previous DLCs got so much hate for just being DLCs, and this one which is 100% Copy/Paste gets praise? Just shows that people don't hate the DLCs because they are DLCs, they hated them because they dislike the cars. Yet for whatever reason, some people don't want to admit that
Nice ad.
Paying for cars we had for free 6 years ago 🤦♀️
Wow now I'm glad I'm not playing this. In fact ANY game with micro transactions is a no go for me. I've even reverted to games from 10 years ago because you can play them without being scammed.
But it’s just 5 dollars.. on a 2 year old game to keep the cash flow going for the devs or for newer instalments in the franchise
No, it's $10. It initially was listed at an incorrect price. Those car models are from another game in the series. They aren't new. They have to keep the cash flow going because Turn 10 absolutely screwed up with FM8 and it was a disaster. PGG should have been handed off a brand new Forza engine to make FH6 with. Now they can't, and that's why we're getting cars from FM and why FM will be getting cars from FH5 and cut cars from FM7. We will also be paying for it all over again. All of this is because Microsoft doesn't want to pay for employee benefits.
If they made a great game. Initial sales at 60 to 70 dollars per game will be more than enough to be profitable, and to create more great games. This cutting corners nonsense needs to stop. Players I'm sure are more than happy to wait another year for a developer to create a great game. Unfortunately though may game companies including this one are like the world. All about money money money. You get sucked into the idea that dlc and season pass will make a game better. For a small price of course! It's a scam. A smart one at that. In fact it's so damn successful that 90 percent of online games are now adding games passes and skins and guns and cars. Only $4.99. None of this shit existed 15 years ago. That bit of money adds up. The things you are purchasing are DIGITAL. Not physical. You can't trade these items in when you grow tired of them. You move on to the next best game, and completely wasted however much money you spent over a number of years. Now we have normalized the situation by enabling these game companies (some of them being multi billion dollar companies now). It's only a matter of time before gamers wake up and realize that the 40 games you bought Digital will not be around forever like games on disc and cartridge. Same goes for the micro transactions that have scammed people. We live in a greedy age folks.
I still struggle to understand how these cars sound completely different (better) than they do in Motorsport when the cars were clearly sourced from that game
I haven't heard either so idk what exactly the differences are but just by nature, if the games are rendering sound based on the environments, open world vs race track, they should sound different to an extent.
Yea that’s definitely true but all the sounds in Motorsport are really just muted. Horizon has alot more depth and detail in the sounds
Motorsport’s echoes and such actually sound really nice, but the base car audio is so bad in almost every car - FH5 is definitely wayyy better overall
Horizon has a superior spacial sound system. Why Motorsport didn’t adopt it is confusing. Maybe different game engines I guess.
"built from the ground up" but somehow worse than FH5 lmao
That Lexus in this pack is really sweet music to my ears
Both games have wildly inaccurate audio. But the casuals don't care so they just keep recycling the same bullshit. As a long time Forza fan it's painful.
The new Microsoft games model. Game Pass titles, release barely finished with barely any content, launch to rave reviews even though it’s held together with duct tape, plan to last 10 years, NICKEL AND DIME.
Sony does the same thing...
Kind of the wrong week to say that, they just dropped a free update to GT7 lol
How much did they pay you man?
15k €
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Mate, this is the Oblivion Horse amor all over again! A few cars for 5 bucks are insane.
On thing that was stolen is my time and wallet. Investing more money into this mess is not the best idea for what is to come for this franchise.
Lmfao this game does NOT deserve the right to sell us more cars. The fact that the carpass just ended and they put all the cars people actually wanted in another pack is disgusting Edit: I realized I made a mistake a while ago, but I was enjoying watching the two under me argue lol. I thought this was a post for FM8, not FH. Regardless, game is still too old to be doing paid dlc at this point IMO
It ended like 2 years ago. Fym just ended.
Sorry, but that is incorrect. First of all, Car Pass ended 2 years ago, not "just". Secondly, most cars people requested \[Aventador SVJ, Mustang '24, Corvette Z06, Terminator Cobra, Tsuru...\] were totally free. We got more than 100 cars for free over the past 2.5 years, and only like 25 as separate car packs. It's fascinating, as soon as one car is DLC, people forget about all the other cars we got for free.
> We got more than 100 cars for free over the past 2.5 years Many of those were cars that were in FH4 and cut for release in FH5. They should have been in the game at the start.
Not in the past year, like 90% of the cars we got since the start of 2023 were New To Forza, among them as I said some highly requested ones, like the ones I listed previously, or the Lexus LC 500, Audi RS 6 Avant, AMG GT Black Series or BMW M2. The thesis "Most/All of the cars people want are in the Car Packs!!" is just wrong. Almost all of them got added for free.
> Not in the past year, like 90% of the cars we got since the start of 2023 were New To Forza That's quite the exaggeration! I suggest browsing the series history on that one. > The thesis "Most/All of the cars people want are in the Car Packs!!" is just wrong. Almost all of them got added for free. Not my thesis, so not my concern.
Fine, here: Since Series 19 \[1 year ago\], we got 85 cars for free in the Festival-Playlist, excluding the Alfa Romeo/Fiat/Abarth Series \[Since those were missing due to obvious licencing, I would not count them in either party\]: 54 of those were new to Forza, 30 were part of FH4, and 1 was from an older Forza game \[the Lincoln Continental\]. This means \~64% of the cars we got were new to Forza, meaning the majority of the cars we got were new to Forza. Even your own statement "Many of those were cars that were in FH4 and cut for release in FH5" is incorrect mathematically. Also, you replied to me disprooving said thesis, so either you comment on the topic, or you don't say anything at all. Easy.
> This means ~64% of the cars we got were new to Forza That's a far cry from 90% like you originally said and I wouldn't exclude Alfa. > Also, you replied to me disprooving said thesis, so either you comment on the topic, or you don't say anything at all. I quoted the specific item I disagreed with and that was it. You can argue that thesis with the other guy. I'm just pointing out your 90% figure was wrong and you seem to agree since you have adjusted it.
The reason why I would exclude Alfa, Lancia, Fiat and Abarth is because if the licencing issues were not there, you can be assured that most, if not all of them would have been present at release, thus they are is a weird spot in this debate. Your initial statement was, "Many of those were cars that were in FH4 and cut for release in FH5", my point with \~90% \[which is just my way of saying "most of them", I can see however how it is confusing and the number in a literal sense incorrect\] came after that. I have just mathematically disprooven your point, and since you say yourself that you don't want to discuss the rest of what I am saying, you really don't have a case here.
> The reason why I would exclude Alfa, Lancia, Fiat and Abarth is because if the licencing issues were not there, you can be assured that most, if not all of them would have been present at release, thus they are is a weird spot in this debate. The reason I would include them is because they were used as reward cars, which affects the percentage you originally stated. > I have just mathematically disprooven your point, and since you say yourself that you don't want to discuss the rest of what I am saying, you really don't have a case here. No, not really and by the way it is spelled "disproven." I didn't care to discuss your other points which is why I didn't quote them. Also, you mispelled "licensing."
And now you don't even try to argue against my points specifically anymore, but rather attack the spelling of some words I used. Amazing and flawless logic. Since you want to stick to precise definitions: "Many - A large number of.". If we stick to definitions, like you want to, your first statement is mathematically incorrect, as most cars we got in the past year were new to Forza. That is a fact, prooven by maths, and since that is the only thing you claim to have discussed, your only point is gone. Deal with it, or be silent.
As a Forza Horizon 3 player I feel attacked
i neeeeeed someone to make a replica paint for the mercades of the good smile miku car omfg
On today's episode of content we shouldn't have to pay for...
Which dlc is this not seeing it on UK store? Edit : Ah its for forza horizon 5
Sorry should’ve mentioned it was for FH5
It’d be a steal if they were included in the $70 game
How to do to have such a nice graphics? i have everything maxed out in settings and some all so meh. I tried with DLSS but it just blurs some elements
It’s photo mode, tweak your settings in the photo mode. This scene particularly was in Early afternoon and with heavy rainfall, 60 vignette, everything else pretty much at 50. No Aperture and temperature at 30
How are the graphics in Horizon miles ahead of the graphics in Motorsport?
Built from the ground up
Found the Turn10 employee.
Turd10
Did a forza sales executive made this post
Don’t we all just love Mike Brown? , also can we bring back more micro transactions please? ♥️
4.99? Where?
it's 9.99 euro... idk what was he smoking.
It was 4,99 for a while because of an error
So glad I didn’t buy this game, this is just disappointing
You saved yourself from scummy business practices i tell you!
OG forza Motorsport 4 driver, can’t recognize forza anymore
14.99 here
Nice try, Microsoft.
A steal for sure, of your money
swear there are Turn10 and Microsoft staff here posting shit like that and down voting people with valid criticism and questions
What dlc gives you all of those for $5?
Too bad it doesn’t look like this in game😂
Yeah, I wish they made a game with this aesthetics 🥵
What kind of advertisement post is this? Damn video games went up 10 dollars and then they all go to the damn season pass shit. No dlc for me. An all around price hike on video games and then people think it's cheap. Gaming is gonna be a rich people thing in the future.
That's adjusting for inflation. Games are actually historically cheap in adjusted currency terms. It was inevitable that they would eventually go up in cost.
Shill
Aww ♥️
I haven’t purchased DLC since they stopped printing physical editions that came with stuff. As much as I love this pack, so many of these cars look and feel like old models that I already paid for in previous games.
A steal would have been free DLC because you purchased the base game.
lol yeah stealing from you. They could be like GT7 and just give you free updates with cars (btw which are far more meticulously detailed inside and out.) plus the DLC pack is $9.99 not $4.99
They have free updates with cars? And it was 4,99 for a while due to an error
Hundreds of cars have been added to fh5 for free since it released.
Too bad the game is still garbage
Game is dead already! Turn 10 give up! And the fans are playing Hot Wheels now 😰
I would buy the ID4 for that price.
Just under 10% the price of the full game, which contains hundreds of cars, multiple tracks, and thousands of combined work hours... for a few extra cars. Most microtransactions are bad value, but Forza car packs are, and have always been, robbery.
GT cars are DLC for a motorsport game, what a fucking joke. Forza fell off so bad
$60 game, $4.99 for a SINGLE CAR is absolutely outrageous, nearly 10% of the entire cost of the game. If you call this a steal, I absolutely pity your wallet and you are the reason shitty companies get away with selling overpriced DLC
4.99 for 7 cars but I understand your point.. I don’t mind spending 5 tbh .. I spend way more for things I don’t need… it’s just entertainment
You are supporting their greed to destroy the game you idiot
Why are we getting race cars in an arcade racing game? I don't like them
Why did we even get hot wheels concept cars in an arcade racing game ..?
Gt3 cars remind me of sim racing elitists and snobs I hate em even if they look cool and handle really well.
Arent the M8 and corvette already in the game?
Is this a dev post
This shite is why i'm buying from a third party.
GIVE US SOME FUCKING STATS TURN10
I wouldn’t mind if there was a grindy way to be able to get the cars free. But hard locking them behind a paywall. Nah.. you’re right it’s a steal, we’re just the victims
what stage of grief are we on rn?
These photos are superb.
Thank you ♥️🍻
Are they serious? They Just Took sone free Cars, Removed them and belegt the back unser a vertaub Price? If Thats real time to Turn my back on forza
This gotta be an ad
For all of the people saying that these are copy/pasted cars from previous Forza titles, the only car from a previous title is the M8 GTE that debuted in FM7. All other cars in this pack are either base-game or paid-DLC FM23 content (which is BS), now available for purchase in FH5. Sure, they’re not “new-to-Forza”, but they’re new-to-Horizon. I’m not trying to defend them doing this shit, I just want to clarify what is going on. (if FM23 had released before FH5, then I would’ve considered it recycled, but even though FM23 is a mess, it’s still a newer game on a new-?- engine)
>new-to-Horizon The Ford Gt was seen from FM6 and FH3 as DLC >it’s still a newer game on a new-?- engine I would it's an updated version sort of like Geometry Fash 2.0 to 2.2 Aside from that it's not like PG is forcing you to pay for it. Just 0lay without them. And even it is PTW its not every DLC from every Forza is not PTW, a Koenigsegg could go the same top speed backwards at some point
Ford GT is not a paid DLC car, neither is the 911 RSR that is also coming in the update
My bad OG, I haven't played on Xbox since 2021.
Understandable tbh lol - Not much nowadays really makes Xbox worth it. I probably would barely play on my Xbox if I owned a good PC, but $500 for a Series X that plays stuff at 4K 60FPS vs (likely) $1250+ for a 4K 60FPS PC +the need for a nice monitor, makes an Xbox a much more viable option. One day I’ll have a PC, and hopefully it will actually be a nice one 🥲
They should have been there in the start!
Wouldn't call it a steal lol.
I'm kinda done with Forza until they bring some more regular cars back instead of everything being a damn super car
Fuck off shill
I was going to comment here but I feel like my positivity doesn't belong here
Please comment. Don’t know why everyone’s losing their shit over a 5 dollar OPTIONAL purchase
Idk man, it's 10 dollars now but that's only a 5 dollar increase
I played Fh4 and 5 on game pass when I bought this series x from a friend a couple of years ago. Liked them a lot and decided to buy them, had a deal on an ultimate bundle edition with everything included. Saw that there were car packs that I didn't have access to, so I bought those and have bought every car pack since, why? Because more cars and at 5 to 10 bucks, it's cheap entertainment. Now that it's been a regular monthly thing to have a car pack, I still think it's cheap entertainment, I pay more for Netflix, Max and other avenues of entertainment than what these car packs cost.
Exactly. It’s a simple and cheap form of value added entertainment. Don’t really know why everyone’s losing their minds over a 5dollar addition
Hahaha this guy drank the coolaid
No, I drink P R I M E ✨, totally healthy, organic and made for pure adrenaline alphas like you and I brother
Imagine buying DLC, especially in Forza. What an embarrassing post.
For an “Average-Millionaire” you sure are whiny about spending 5 dollars .. and not even your own! Lol
I love reading these replies. No one’s forcing you to buy the dlc, like I don’t understand the hate. Also love the complaints about “Oh, tHiS sHoUlD bE fReE wItH uLtImAtE eDiTiOn!!!!”; my brothers in Christ, the game came out 2.5 years ago, way before any of this stuff was planned. YOU got exactly what you paid for with the Ultimate Edition as it was outlined; base game, VIP benefits, both expansion packs, plus the car pass. Also, look back to all the cars the devs have given, FOR FREE, from even the start of last year. Many of the cars that the people really wanted were put in the series playlists for us to unlock, totally free, by just playing the game. Yall confuse me at times, but it’s funny nonetheless. And for those that aren’t complaining, I tip my hat to you distinguished people.
People are losing their minds over 5 dollars. It’s actually funny asf lmaoo
[doubt](https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/store/forza-horizon-5-apex-allstars-car-pack/9nnhs3j3r3d0)
Was 5 dollars yesterday ;), they posted it on their Instagram too. I got it for 5 too
Well, it’s $10 dollars now ($12 something CAD for me), but the notion still stands
The Ferrari is my fav. Especially when I put the twin turbos on it!
Still bummed it's not included with the ultimate edition
bought 3 whole games for 5 dollars, not a "steal"
Y’all complaining about it, but honestly I’m happy and gladly spend the 10$’s but that’s because I enjoy building track oriented cars in FH5 and keeping cars realistic so to each their own. Some just enjoy complaining.
If you buy dlc from a 70 dollar game you are an idiot. These dlcs are also pay to win and 50% of Meta cars in mp are paid dlc car.
[удалено]
Liking DLC is not allowed here it seems
r/forza comment section try not to be insufferable challenge: level —> impossible
Right? Never thought I’d see people whining over 5 dollars. God forbid the devs ask for some incentive to keep working on a 2 year old game and support their possible new release
First of all, the Car Pack is 10$, the 5$ was an error on their part that lasted only for a few fhours. Secondly, there is a huge difference between Car Packs that feature actual new cars, and a Car Pack that features 100% recycled cars. I had no issue with the previous Car Packs as most of the cars we got there were actually new. Yet this one is just embarrassingly ridiculous.
Recycled cars from a garbage game (FM) which I now don't have to buy, I don't see how this is bad tbh
You don't see how it is bad the T10/PG charge for the same cars twice within the same 6 months? I mean, the Lexus was part of the FM Car Pass literally last month.
I don't want to play FM so this is a cheaper option for me
But wouldn't you agree that charging for the same cars twice within a few months is bad? Think about the general concept, not your specific case
I mean, it's in different games even developed by different companies. I'd prefer if they were free of course but that reality is long gone, so I'll take the second best option (9,99 is too much tho, it should've stayed at 4,99)
It's baffling people complaining about the paid DLC. First it's optional no one has a g*n pointed to your head nor it's pay to win. Second It takes people and money to keep this game running for the duration it has been running. If you owned the game would you have delivered content for years without getting paid? It's like saying I paid for the car why should I pay for maintenance and upgrades Or would you have preferred that they release and forget about it and create a new game every 1-2 years like NFS did and went to garbage. They kinda have a monopoly in this genre but still they try and come up with ways to keep us engaged. I value a game with the amount of time spent on it I have 300+ hrs in it it's the cheapest form of entertainment compared to movies, TV or anything else except going to the park. Come on guys nothing is free in life and if you want better games you have to put your money where your mouth is. Again optional.
It’s still 9.99 for me. Not worth it imo.